Whaley is feeling the heat

[Skooby]

Plan on the Bills management mortgaging the future to keep their jobs, expect some new back-ups in key positions (QB / DL):

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/6/6/11870850/doug-whaley-among-eight-gms-under-pressure-in-2016

[X-Era]

Plan on the Bills management mortgaging the future to keep their jobs, expect some new back-ups in key positions (QB / DL):

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/6/6/11870850/doug-whaley-among-eight-gms-under-pressure-in-2016He's feeling Don Banks heat? Because nothing says you're on thin ice like a 3 year extension...

He is not feeling the heat anymore than he has been. Nothing really to see here.

[cookie G]

Rex has the effect on GM's. They don't stick around too long, even after they give him everything he wants.

[OpIv37]

That'll be the day. No one in this organization is held accountable, ever. I was hoping that would change under Pegula, but it hasn't, at least not yet.

[Mace]

That'll be the day. No one in this organization is held accountable, ever. I was hoping that would change under Pegula, but it hasn't, at least not yet.

Compose yourself. They fired Karl Dunbar. It was all his fault.

[Night Train]

..According to SI. LOL.

Glad you folks care.

[Scumbag College]

I thought Sports Illustrated went belly up around 2010.

[OpIv37]

I thought Sports Illustrated went belly up around 2010.

I think it was earlier than that. The only thing people liked about it was the swimsuit issue, and people stopped giving a **** about that when free internet porn came around.

[Albany,n.y.]

I thought Sports Illustrated went belly up around 2010.

That's The Sporting News.
SI is still around, I see it when I go to the dentist. I actually bought it a year ago when American Pharoah won the Triple Crown & it was the cover story.

[Historian]

One clown's opinion.

Whaley isn't going anywhere he doesn't want to.

[Luisito23]

If they don't make the postseason this year, they better all go...

Enough is enough!

[coastal]

Whaley will be the sacrificial lamb after the next helping of 7-9

[Mr. Pink]

Sorry to say but Wrecks and Whaley will be here next season as well.

Now, they both may be fired after that but they aren't going anywhere this year barring a 3-13 disaster.

[swiper]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Bill-Hader-Eating-Popcorn-Smiling-SNL.gif

[justasportsfan]

That'll be the day. No one in this organization is held accountable, ever. I was hoping that would change under Pegula, but it hasn't, at least not yet.

As far as I know it was the Pegulas who were fascinated by Rex. Not Whaley. If true, there's no one but to blame but themselves.

[Mace]

Whaley will be the sacrificial lamb after the next helping of 7-9

I was thinking Dan Liburd, strength and conditioning assistant, is made to pay if it goes downhill this season.

[Mace]

As far as I know it was the Pegulas who were fascinated by Rex. Not Whaley. If true, there's no one but to blame but themselves.

Seems Brandon steered Pegulas to Rex from Carucci and Rodak.

Rodak :
Team president Russ Brandon was so impressed that he told owner Terry Pegula not to let Ryan out of the building.


http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22828/playoff-promise-among-rex-ryan-statements-that-will-likely-prove-false

Carucci :
Brandon and General Manager Doug Whaley were the ones who led the Pegulas to Ryan. Brandon sold the owners on the immediate box-office value

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/29/bills-mailbag/

[sudzy]

Carucci :

Brandon and General Manager Doug Whaley were the ones who led the Pegulas to Ryan. Brandon sold the owners on the immediate box-office value
http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/29/bills-mailbag/


Still all about tickets, heh?
Owners might change, but, the goal is still the same.

[Mace]

Still all about tickets, heh?
Owners might change, but, the goal is still the same.

Still too much about Brandon, imho. That's why I'd hoped for a senior "football" guy, figured that would finally run Brandon quietly into business side, but nah, they bought into him having a football clue that would frost his marketing ability I guess.

I'd be willing to bet that "senior source" who thought they'd keep Schwartz was him as well. It smacks of his football oblivious.

[SpikedLemonade]

Whaley will be the sacrificial lamb after the next helping of 7-9

Yup. Whaley is dead man walking.

[Mace]

Yup. Whaley is dead man walking.

I wish you didn't say that. Now he'll never be so they can spite you.

[Victor7]

Brandon is sitll here. As long as that remnant from the Ralph era remains on the team we'll go nowhere.

[Mouldsie]

IDK what to think of Whaley..... I feel the mess we are in is moreso Russ and Rex and Terry. Buddy picked Whaley and Buddy had things going on the right track so maybe he's not as bad as we're seeing if he's unimpeded.

Sacrificial lamb makes sense.

[sdbillsfan2]

IDK what to think of Whaley..... I feel the mess we are in is moreso Russ and Rex and Terry. Buddy picked Whaley and Buddy had things going on the right track so maybe he's not as bad as we're seeing if he's unimpeded.

Sacrificial lamb makes sense.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000204027/article/new-bills-gm-doug-whaley-integral-in-ej-manuel-pick

EJ ,plus 2 first rd picks for Sammy and now their first rd pick this yr needs surgery and hasn't played a down has made me see all I need to see. His words "qb purgatory" and cash strapped to upgrade. Not to mention that he and Russ were key in the Rex hire. He deserves all the heat coming his way.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Not to mention that he and Russ were key in the Rex hire.

Anything to back this up?

[Skooby]

Anything to back this up?

Reality. Whaley needs a winning product on the field that makes the playoffs or else he's going to lose his job.

[sdbillsfan2]

Anything to back this up?
http://m.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/How-the-Bills-decided-on-Rex-Ryan-as-head-coach/19b740de-0ca3-4dd6-8fdc-58c0cf013fa2

[Joe Fo Sho]

http://m.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/How-the-Bills-decided-on-Rex-Ryan-as-head-coach/19b740de-0ca3-4dd6-8fdc-58c0cf013fa2

Doesn't really show how pivotal he was in making the hiring decision, just that he speaks well of the newly hired coach. Maybe because he likes his job?

[Mace]

Doesn't really show how pivotal he was in making the hiring decision, just that he speaks well of the newly hired coach. Maybe because he likes his job?

About 11 posts up.


Seems Brandon steered Pegulas to Rex from Carucci and Rodak.

Rodak : Team president Russ Brandon was so impressed that he told owner Terry Pegula not to let Ryan out of the building.


http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bill...ly-prove-false (http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22828/playoff-promise-among-rex-ryan-statements-that-will-likely-prove-false)

Carucci : Brandon and General Manager Doug Whaley were the ones who led the Pegulas to Ryan. Brandon sold the owners on the immediate box-office value


http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/29/bills-mailbag/

[Skooby]

Rex is a goner if the Bills don't make the playoffs, according to Jimbo:
http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/no-playoffs-for-bills-if-so-jim-kelly-says-rex-ryan-probably-out-of-a-job

[stuckincincy]

Rex is a goner if the Bills don't make the playoffs, according to Jimbo:
http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/no-playoffs-for-bills-if-so-jim-kelly-says-rex-ryan-probably-out-of-a-job

Also said today by CBSSports pundit Canfora:

..."Rex Ryan, Bills: The bluster only increased his hot seat, and while the Bills can try to pretend things are harmonious between coaching staff and front office, the turmoil is well known. New ownership needs a decent product at some point, and Terry Pegula has the means to eat a big contract. Mounting injuries to young key players won't help. I wouldn't be surprised if Rex is slaying it sitting behind a TV desk come the playoffs."...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-nfl-coaching-hot-zone-how-secure-is-your-favorite-teams-coach/

[Joe Fo Sho]

About 11 posts up.




Seems Brandon steered Pegulas to Rex from Carucci and Rodak.

Rodak : Team president Russ Brandon was so impressed that he told owner Terry Pegula not to let Ryan out of the building.




http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bill...ly-prove-false


Carucci : Brandon and General Manager Doug Whaley were the ones who led the Pegulas to Ryan. Brandon sold the owners on the immediate box-office value




http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/29/bills-mailbag/

There's really not a lot of substance to any of that, mostly just a bit of yapping by a couple of writers. I'm still putting the Ryan hire on the Pegula's, the one's who actually hired him.

[Mace]

There's really not a lot of substance to any of that, mostly just a bit of yapping by a couple of writers. I'm still putting the Ryan hire on the Pegula's, the one's who actually hired him.

Yapping !

Well, that's fine if you want to, but I'll go on believing Brandon & Whaley influenced them. Let's face it, they were looking for a czar to guide them, and Terry himself admitted he was learning on the fly about football if you were paying attention, and talked Brandon up, being impressed enough to also give him a Sabres role.

Pegulas had to be listening and leaning on someone in the organization for the search. It was prominently mentioned Whaley & Brandon had previous experience in the search process. Brandon is a happy gladhander with a vague football knowledge, the only applicable football guy he could work with is Whaley.

So the owners had to lean on someone, they are not idiots and admittedly not football experts. It's not hard to put 2 & 2 together, especially when Rodak and more so, Carucci (who has deep ties and exp) note it.

It's like anything else, you can believe what you want to believe, but it makes no sense to me unless you also have corresponding sources who say Pegulas made the decision on their own. Do you have any links to support your opinion ? I'm open to them. I gave you links to my basis of conclusion, give me some for yours.

[SpikedLemonade]

Mace nail it!

Can we close this thread because he just won the internet?

[BertSquirtgum]

Yapping !

Well, that's fine if you want to, but I'll go on believing Brandon & Whaley influenced them. Let's face it, they were looking for a czar to guide them, and Terry himself admitted he was learning on the fly about football if you were paying attention, and talked Brandon up, being impressed enough to also give him a Sabres role.

Pegulas had to be listening and leaning on someone in the organization for the search. It was prominently mentioned Whaley & Brandon had previous experience in the search process. Brandon is a happy gladhander with a vague football knowledge, the only applicable football guy he could work with is Whaley.

So the owners had to lean on someone, they are not idiots and admittedly not football experts. It's not hard to put 2 & 2 together, especially when Rodak and more so, Carucci (who has deep ties and exp) note it.

It's like anything else, you can believe what you want to believe, but it makes no sense to me unless you also have corresponding sources who say Pegulas made the decision on their own. Do you have any links to support your opinion ? I'm open to them. I gave you links to my basis of conclusion, give me some for yours.

The Pegula's 100% percent hired the big dummy with little input from Whaley.

[YardRat]

Seems Brandon steered Pegulas to Rex from Carucci and Rodak.

Rodak :

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22828/playoff-promise-among-rex-ryan-statements-that-will-likely-prove-false

Carucci :

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/29/bills-mailbag/


If that's the case, then **** Brandon, Whaley, and everything New England.

[Mace]

The Pegula's 100% percent hired the big dummy with little input from Whaley.

Ok, there's one source.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Yapping !

Well, that's fine if you want to, but I'll go on believing Brandon & Whaley influenced them. Let's face it, they were looking for a czar to guide them, and Terry himself admitted he was learning on the fly about football if you were paying attention, and talked Brandon up, being impressed enough to also give him a Sabres role.

Pegulas had to be listening and leaning on someone in the organization for the search. It was prominently mentioned Whaley & Brandon had previous experience in the search process. Brandon is a happy gladhander with a vague football knowledge, the only applicable football guy he could work with is Whaley.

So the owners had to lean on someone, they are not idiots and admittedly not football experts. It's not hard to put 2 & 2 together, especially when Rodak and more so, Carucci (who has deep ties and exp) note it.

That's certainly one theory.


It's like anything else, you can believe what you want to believe, but it makes no sense to me unless you also have corresponding sources who say Pegulas made the decision on their own. Do you have any links to support your opinion ? I'm open to them. I gave you links to my basis of conclusion, give me some for yours.

I don't have any links to hard evidence, same as you.

I do have links to the Pegula's not trusting Whaley enough to want to hire a 'czar' to run the football side of things. You've already read those links, as you said the same thing yourself. One could theorize that if they didn't trust Whaley enough to run the team, they wouldn't trust him enough to select a new coach.

Just another theory.

[Mace]

That's certainly one theory.



I don't have any links to hard evidence, same as you.

I do have links to the Pegula's not trusting Whaley enough to want to hire a 'czar' to run the football side of things. You've already read those links, as you said the same thing yourself. One could theorize that if they didn't trust Whaley enough to run the team, they wouldn't trust him enough to select a new coach.

Just another theory.

I gave you two more links from beat sportswriters with sources than you came up with.

Flaw in your theory, is that they didn't hire a czar and trusted Whaley after all, and there he was during the whole thing, evidently impressing them enough to extend him so they felt they needed no czar. I doubt he did that by being excluded, and I can't imagine why you would.

[Mace]

Tim Graham and John Wawrow via Rumblings, 2 more.


After Terry Pegula attempted to bring in a football czar in Bill Polian, many were curious what that would mean for two of the top men in the organization but it appears President Russ Brandon and General Manager Doug Whaley are both safe for the time being. According to twin reports from The Buffalo News' Tim Graham and John Wawrow of the Associated Press, Whaley will be leading the coaching search and getting help from Brandon.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-news/2015/1/2/7481469/buffalo-bills-coaching-search-doug-whaley-general-manager

[Joe Fo Sho]

I gave you two more links from beat sportswriters with sources than you came up with.

Neither of them prove anything, though.


Whaley - "Here's a list of coaches I think we could hire. It includes Bevell, Gase, Quinn, Reich, Shanahan, Shurmur, Jackson, Ryan, Kyle Shanahan, Schwartz, Roman, and Austin."

Pegula - "We're hiring Ryan."

Newspaper headline - WHALEY INFLUENCES PEGULA TO HIRE REX


See how that proves/means nothing?


Flaw in your theory, is that they didn't hire a czar and trusted Whaley after all, and there he was during the whole thing, evidently impressing them enough to extend him so they felt they needed no czar. I doubt he did that by being excluded, and I can't imagine why you would.

The fact that they couldn't convince Polian to come on board does not automatically mean they now trust Whaley more. It only shows that at one point, they sure as hell didn't trust him enough to run the team.

Maybe they trust him now more because he was against the Ryan hire and he's being proven right.

What were the terms of his extension? Anyone know? Maybe it's a team friendly extension that has protections if they don't make the playoffs. Just a theory, though. Rarely do teams like to let their coach/GM work on a 1 year deal. Extending them provides insurance on the chance that the Bills have a successful year and Whaley holds them ransom for a ton of money to stay. That's just business.

[YardRat]

I can forgive Whaley for whiffing on EJ.
I can forgive Whaley for possibly 'over-paying' for Watkins.
I still have to work on getting to a place where I can forgive Whaley for the drunken spending spree on shiny toys last off-season.
I can never forgive him if he was influential in bringing Wrecks on board.

[Mace]

Stay down Fo, I'm up 4 beat writers to 0, and concentrate on the other thread.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I'm up 4 beat writers to 0

We're all tied up, then.

[coastal]

Joe fo blow pwnage... lulz.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Joe fo blow pwnage... lulz.

The name change was actually pretty clever considering the source.

[Mouldsie]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000204027/article/new-bills-gm-doug-whaley-integral-in-ej-manuel-pick

EJ ,plus 2 first rd picks for Sammy and now their first rd pick this yr needs surgery and hasn't played a down has made me see all I need to see. His words "qb purgatory" and cash strapped to upgrade. Not to mention that he and Russ were key in the Rex hire. He deserves all the heat coming his way.


A bird told me the Sammy trade was mostly Russ Brandon pulling the strings. EJ is a def black eye though technically a Buddy regime pick

[Mouldsie]

I can forgive Whaley for whiffing on EJ.
I can forgive Whaley for possibly 'over-paying' for Watkins.
I still have to work on getting to a place where I can forgive Whaley for the drunken spending spree on shiny toys last off-season.
I can never forgive him if he was influential in bringing Wrecks on board.

Again as it pertains to Whaley I keep hearing how he doesnt always make the calls himself.... McCoy, Watkins, Lawson.... I wonder what the hell the Bills are doing

[swiper]

A bird told me the Sammy trade was mostly Russ Brandon pulling the strings. EJ is a def black eye though technically a Buddy regime pick

You need to shout this a little louder for all the people here that insist that Russ Brandon "is only on the business & marketing side of things now. LOL. Don't you know he thinks he's John Sheurholz?

[sudzy]

A bird told me the Sammy trade was mostly Russ Brandon pulling the strings. EJ is a def black eye though technically a Buddy regime pick

We were told Russ just handle the business side and Whaley handled the football side. If this bird is right and the story Brandon was a driving force in the Rex hire is true. Then, this team is a bigger train wreck then I figured. The head ticket salesman is still calling the shots.

[Mace]

We were told Russ just handle the business side and Whaley handled the football side. If this bird is right and the story Brandon was a driving force in the Rex hire is true. Then, this team is a bigger train wreck then I figured. The head ticket salesman is still calling the shots.

No offense sudz, but Carucci, Wawrow, Graham and Rodak as previously quoted, add a little meat to the bird. Fo Sho might think it doesn't prove anything with his plethora of sources that he can't find, but it's kind of peculiar when 4 beat writers say something but that proves less than well, no sources whatever.

[Historian]

A bird told me the Sammy trade was mostly Russ Brandon pulling the strings.

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[WagonCircler]

A bird told me the Sammy trade was mostly Russ Brandon pulling the strings. EJ is a def black eye though technically a Buddy regime pick

If Doug Whaley is such a pansy that he let that situation happen, then he is even more useless than I thought, and that's saying something.

You can't get lower than my opinion of Russ F Brandon.

[WagonCircler]

We were told Russ just handle the business side and Whaley handled the football side. If this bird is right and the story Brandon was a driving force in the Rex hire is true. Then, this team is a bigger train wreck then I figured. The head ticket salesman is still calling the shots.

If this is true, this team is hopeless. Forever.

[Cleve]

If this is true, this team is hopeless. Forever.

Yup. Brandon should NEVER have been involved in football or roster decisions. Ever. But he was, and is. And BIG decisions - like this Ryan debacle.

Let's jump forward to the end of the season - if the Bills post a losing season, and Whaley and Ryan are given the axe, but Brandon sticks around like a stubborn case of the clap, then it will be the start of another cycle of Bills mediocrity, because Brandon has been a weak link in the chain for years.

I also worry with Brandon given a high position with the Sabres - I hope he doesn't start "suggesting" his way around GMTM in the front office, or the Sabres' careful and meticulously planned rebuild will end up on the rocks too.

[SpikedLemonade]

Yup. Brandon should NEVER have been involved in football or roster decisions. Ever. But he was, and is. And BIG decisions - like this Ryan debacle.

Let's jump forward to the end of the season - if the Bills post a losing season, and Whaley and Ryan are given the axe, but Brandon sticks around like a stubborn case of the clap, then it will be the start of another cycle of Bills mediocrity, because Brandon has been a weak link in the chain for years.

I also worry with Brandon given a high position with the Sabres - I hope he doesn't start "suggesting" his way around GMTM in the front office, or the Sabres' careful and meticulously planned rebuild will end up on the rocks too.

I will leave the meticulously planned rebuild comment alone other than to say that is a beautifully political way to spin intentionally tanking for 3 years. Whatever.

Rex will not be fired after this season no matter what the teams record is this year. He would need to be caught masturbating in his office to photos of Kim's feet by Pegula himself in order for that to happen.

Rex is on a 5 year contract.

He will have 3 years remaining after this year.

Rex and Doug Whaley both report directly to the Pegulas. That is a dysfunctional management organization chart. Rex should have reported to the GM like the vast vast majority of NFL teams.

When the season is over, Rex will point to Doug as the reason he failed this year. He wasn't given the players he needed (a NT for example).

Pegula will fire Doug and hire a GM that Rex approves of.

After another 2 more years of failure after this upcoming season, Rex will be fired with only one year left on his contract and the new GM will also possibly be fired as well. The Pegulas will bring in a NFL Executive/Guru type who will have the GM report to him and hopefully allow that GM to hire his HC. That is what should have happened from the start.

The Pegulas made their money through fracking. In other words, legalized raping of the land. It does not take people skills to succeed in that business. You need to be at the right place at the right time to keep acquiring land rights off the momentum you established when fracking was just becoming a big thing. They are not smart people despite their success.

[stuckincincy]

The Pegulas made their money through fracking. In other words, legalized raping of the land. It does not take people skills to succeed in that business. You need to be at the right place at the right time to keep acquiring land rights off the momentum you established when fracking was just becoming a big thing. They are not smart people despite their success.

Well, if you say they made their money through fracking, may I direct you to this?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing_by_country

Canadian interests have been fracking when Pegula was but a young pup...

Why not direct your anger against Ottawa or Alberta? :yap:

[SpikedLemonade]

Well, if you say they made their money through fracking, may I direct you to this?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing_by_country

Canadian interests have been fracking when Pegula was but a young pup...

Why not direct your anger against Ottawa or Alberta? :yap:

Not interested in taking this thread in that direction. I never said there was no fracking in Canada.

Thank you nonetheless.

[feldspar]

I

Rex will not be fired after this season no matter what the teams record is this year...

When the season is over, Rex will point to Doug as the reason he failed this year...

Pegula will fire Doug and hire a GM that Rex approves of...

After another 2 more years of failure after this upcoming season, Rex will be fired with only one year left on his contract and the new GM will also possibly be fired as well. The Pegulas will bring in a NFL Executive/Guru type who will have the GM report to him and hopefully allow that GM to hire his HC. That is what should have happened from the start...

.

Well, it looks as though there is no reason for me to watch the Bills for another few years then.

The book is already written...

But what's going to happen in 2019, though? I'm on the edge of my seat...

[SpikedLemonade]

Well, it looks as though there is no reason for me to watch the Bills for another few years then.

The book is already written...

But what's going to happen in 2019, though? I'm on the edge of my seat...

Nah, I don't want to cause you stress by you actually thinking.

Just ignore my posts and continue on your merry happy little way towards just being happy there still is a team in Buffalo.

Winning professional sports championships is for other much better cities and fan bases like Cleveland.

Just enjoy the ride that will soon approach 20 years.

[feldspar]

Nah, I don't want to cause you stress by you actually thinking.

Just ignore my posts and continue on your merry happy little way towards just being happy there still is a team in Buffalo.

Winning professional sports championships is for other much better cities and fan bases like Cleveland.

Just enjoy the ride that will soon approach 20 years.

Lol...very nice.

You got Whaley getting fired next year after Rex throws him under the bus...and so on, and so forth. I don't give a **** who wants to have a negative outlook, but your particular roadmap that you want to state as fact is ridiculous.

[SpikedLemonade]

Lol...very nice.

You got Whaley getting fired next year after Rex throws him under the bus...and so on, and so forth. I don't give a **** who wants to have a negative outlook, but your particular roadmap that you want to state as fact is ridiculous.

OK.

No problem.

[trapezeus]

terry pegula wasn't a land acquirer and got lucky off the fracking that ensued...he was one of the guys that developed fracking. he is a smart guy. its true that his ownership of sports teams have not been successful so far, but the sabres are on the right path. terry seems like an old school kind of business man. he gives people a shot to do it their way. the bills seem to be a huge mess and Brandon is largely the roadblock to any future success. the best thing for the bills is to have a tire fire season and get rex and russ out and let them build a team around people who care about winning.

[swiper]

terry pegula wasn't a land acquirer and got lucky off the fracking that ensued...he was one of the guys that developed fracking. he is a smart guy. its true that his ownership of sports teams have not been successful so far, but the sabres are on the right path. terry seems like an old school kind of business man. he gives people a shot to do it their way. the bills seem to be a huge mess and Brandon is largely the roadblock to any future success. the best thing for the bills is to have a tire fire season and get rex and russ out and let them build a team around people who care about winning.

Pegula's on record as loving Brandon. Loved him so much he turned over running the Sabres to him in addition to the Bills. That doesn't make him too smart in my book.

[SpikedLemonade]

Pegula's on record as loving Brandon. Loved him so much he turned over running the Sabres to him in addition to the Bills. That doesn't make him too smart in my book.

There are book smarts and street smarts.

Pegula has neither.

He has frackin' land rights acquisition smarts.

Not particularly useful when owning a people based business like professional football.

[swiper]

There are book smarts and street smarts.

Pegula has neither.

He has frackin' land rights acquisition smarts.

Not particularly useful when owning a people based business like professional football.

Exactly. Everybody turned a blind eye to the possibility of this problem when he came in on his white horse and saved the franchise from the likes of Trump and Bon Jovi.

We're seeing the problem with the disparity between "Fracking smarts" and "sports ownership smarts" in spades now.

[Skooby]

Kraft is about the only person with sports ownership smarts, problem for him is it includes cheating. So basically, the owners are just lucky and catch breaks here and there.

[Joe Fo Sho]

It's interesting to see people call a billionaire an idiot while they probably have to ask their boss if they want Friday off.

[Night Train]

It's interesting to see people call a billionaire an idiot while they probably have to ask their boss if they want Friday off.

:bf1: I'm glad someone else sees the irony.

[Mace]

Pegula's on record as loving Brandon. Loved him so much he turned over running the Sabres to him in addition to the Bills. That doesn't make him too smart in my book.

I can agree with this. I'm not happy about Brandon, but...

I'm not giving up on Pegula so quick though. In terms of business, lot of businessmen make a billion, lose 2 billion, end up overreaching like Rigas, hitting a stasis like Rich, never diversify much like Golisano, flail around like Trump.

Pegula jumped in to the Buffalo pool with enthusiasm, perhaps learned harshly with the Sabres, before finding a gem (imho) in Tim Murray as GM. Bylsma, I dunno, but he gets another year of my patience with a young roster. Pegula perhaps learned harshly again with Rex (I sure think he did), and maybe has learned to take Brandon with a grain of salt from it, no telling yet.

But like with anything, you can overreach with enthusiasm until it evens out with knowledge learned from painful experience. Kraft for example inherited Parcells. His first real coach choice was Carroll, team declined for 3 years before he hit on Belichick.

Pegula has not been complacent, Harbor Center is a dynamic type of progress, as was his deal with MSG network. His business interests are expanding and diversifying toward sports, and he's already said the family is in this for the long haul, even if he dies, then over to Kim who seems to take it seriously, They seem genuinely happy and content to be involved with Buffalo and Buffalo sports as an integral part of their future business direction.

Feelings don't mean crap, you can't qualify them, but I'll say that to me it feels like a slow, steady focused change in direction and perspective. Proof will of course be in the pudding, and I wish Brandon kept to his field, but I just can't write the Pegulas off this quick. Ownership learning curve.

It's easy to get impatient and annoyed because we've been waiting now for so damn long, but the clock on their potential only recently started ticking.

[Mace]

It's interesting to see people call a billionaire an idiot while they probably have to ask their boss if they want Friday off.

I get your point in this case, but I have no problem whatever calling Trump an idiot. He's a rich idiot, but still an idiot. Some idiots have more money. some idiots run faster, some idiots drive better, some idiots know more about certain things, but they're still idiots in more things than they aren't. Best trait is knowing what you don't know, to keep from being an idiot.

[SpikedLemonade]

It's interesting to see people call a billionaire an idiot while they probably have to ask their boss if they want Friday off.

Yeah you are a hero.

Unless I am looking in the mirror, I am asking no one.

[SpikedLemonade]

:bf1: I'm glad someone else sees the irony.

The blind see very little.

[Historian]

There are book smarts and street smarts.

Pegula has neither.

He has frackin' land rights acquisition smarts.

Not particularly useful when owning a people based business like professional football.

I think he's an astute businessman, I really do. He has gotten a lot done downtown, after 40 years of politics and gridlock, so I don't think brains are the problem.

I think his problem is that he's a terrible communicator, meaning, he trips over words, sometimes stutters, and is basically a shy person.

I believe that's why he employs the opposite....people who can schmooze, (Kim) people who can sell, (Brandon) and people who can communicate/BS better. (Rex)

I think its that simple.

I just hope that someone, either he or Kim, at some point, take a hard look at the Administrative structure of the Bills, and realize that most of Ralph's 'yes-men' need to be shown the door.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I get your point in this case, but I have no problem whatever calling Trump an idiot. He's a rich idiot, but still an idiot. Some idiots have more money. some idiots run faster, some idiots drive better, some idiots know more about certain things, but they're still idiots in more things than they aren't. Best trait is knowing what you don't know, to keep from being an idiot.

Yeah, you can certainly call Trump an idiot when it comes to certain things, just like you can say that Pegula hasn't made the best football decisions during the year and a half he's owned the Bills. However, to say that Trump has neither book nor street smarts is just foolish.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Yeah you are a hero.

Thanks! I am but a single man, though. I may not be the person this community needs, but I'm definitely the man we all deserve.

:bravo:


Unless I am looking in the mirror, I am asking no one.

Eh, jizz moppers are overbooked on Fridays anyway.

[feldspar]

It's amusing to me that some of you armchair psychos think you can judge Pegula's level of intelligence from here.

Can you judge his level of sanity, too? Maybe he's just completely insane. Did you ever think of that? LOL

[SpikedLemonade]

Thanks!t I'm definitely the man we all deserve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqKcnYWCAJc

[Mace]

Yeah, you can certainly call Trump an idiot when it comes to certain things, just like you can say that Pegula hasn't made the best football decisions during the year and a half he's owned the Bills. However, to say that Trump has neither book nor street smarts is just foolish.

Well, someone with book smarts will know judges don't write bills, especially since his sister is one and he's running for president, and someone with street smarts has to be around people on the street beyond high society social circles. I've never seen evidence of either. I will say, he has salesman smarts and take advantage of weak minded-people smarts that combine with being born into the right family have allowed him to sustain himself with the momentum large amounts of money can sustain.

Not to make this about Trump though, I'll again say Pegula has demonstrated a significant intelligence in diversifying solidly into sports and sports related business. I absolutely don't think Pegula is an idiot but again, is learning as he goes, which makes it significant to his upside as an owner through the future.

Maybe he'll always be vulnerable to a high level gladhander like Brandon, but then again, maybe he won't as he gains knowledge and experience.