My Sabres plan B

[Dr. Lecter]

Stamkos watch is over.

Now it's time to move on. Okposo will be the popular option. But he's never scored 30 goals and is in the middle of his prime.


Tampa is getting close to being in a cap crunch. After signing Stamkos they have about 8.5 million in cap space, with Hedman a UFA next year.

Murray should throw a huge offer sheet to Kucherov. 23 years old, not even in his prime yet. A 29 goal year and a 30 goal year.

7 years, just over 50 million. The loss would be next year's picks in the first 3 rounds.

Well worth it. Tampa might struggle to match.

[Ginger Vitis]

It's a better option than giving Stamkos $12 million a year

[don137]

Have to think they knew they lose Kucherov if Stamkos resigned since can't see them losing Hedman and can't afford all three. Like your plan. At least they get picks for Kucherov.

[Skooby]

I think that we have enough cap room for plan c / d as well.

[trapezeus]

Is kucherov left handed?

[JATMtheJATM]

Is kucherov left handed?

Yes

[coastal]

Stamkos watch is over.

Now it's time to move on. Okposo will be the popular option. But he's never scored 30 goals and is in the middle of his prime.


Tampa is getting close to being in a cap crunch. After signing Stamkos they have about 8.5 million in cap space, with Hedman a UFA next year.

Murray should throw a huge offer sheet to Kucherov. 23 years old, not even in his prime yet. A 29 goal year and a 30 goal year.

7 years, just over 50 million. The loss would be next year's picks in the first 3 rounds.

Well worth it. Tampa might struggle to match.
Why not Kucherov and Okposo

[OpIv37]

Sabres Plan B is how we got Ville Leino.

[Dr. Lecter]

Sabres Plan B is how we got Ville Leino.



This is my Plan B

And I forgot that Murray signed Leino.

Oh wait.........

[Dr. Lecter]

Why not Kucherov and Okposo


He's a better player and he's younger

[The Jokeman]

Stamkos watch is over.

Now it's time to move on. Okposo will be the popular option. But he's never scored 30 goals and is in the middle of his prime.


Tampa is getting close to being in a cap crunch. After signing Stamkos they have about 8.5 million in cap space, with Hedman a UFA next year.

Murray should throw a huge offer sheet to Kucherov. 23 years old, not even in his prime yet. A 29 goal year and a 30 goal year.

7 years, just over 50 million. The loss would be next year's picks in the first 3 rounds.

Well worth it. Tampa might struggle to match.

Considering we have an extra 2nd and 3rd next year I have no issues giving that kind of deal to Kucherov. I think Okposo is over rated too and prefer Kucherov as he is younger and seems to be a better goal scorer.

[The Jokeman]

Why not Kucherov and Okposo
I wouldn't give Okposo a long term deal as hurt chances in keeping Eichel and Samson long term.

[WagonCircler]

He's a better player and he's younger

I think he's saying "why not both?"

[OpIv37]

This is my Plan B

And I forgot that Murray signed Leino.

Oh wait.........
Pegula signed Leino. You forgot: our owner is the Dan Snyder of the NHL.

[Dr. Lecter]

Pegula signed Leino. You forgot: our owner is the Dan Snyder of the NHL.

He's not really anything like Snyder.

[Dr. Lecter]

I think he's saying "why not both?"

Oh yeah.

I am fine with that idea - but I think Okposo is going to get mega overpaid and there will be a lot more competition for him.

[JATMtheJATM]

Oh yeah.

I am fine with that idea - but I think Okposo is going to get mega overpaid and there will be a lot more competition for him.

Bingo. I'm interested in his game, but if he's getting 6 per....

[OpIv37]

He's not really anything like Snyder.

The first thing he did after acquiring the team was try to buy a championship. That's exactly like Snyder.

[JATMtheJATM]

The first thing he did after acquiring the team was try to buy a championship. That's exactly like Snyder.

I would say he's more like mark cuban

[Skooby]

I would say he's more like mark cuban

Without the ability to speak clearly.

[Dr. Lecter]

The first thing he did after acquiring the team was try to buy a championship. That's exactly like Snyder.

He threw one at one guy, 5 years ago and now's he's exactly like Snyder?
How many players has he "bought" since then? How many times has he interfered in the running of his team?

You're either acting like the chick who brings something that happened way in the past and can't past it or like BillsImpossible by taking the most superficial look at something possible - I'm not sure which......

[trapezeus]

My worry with the Lightning players is that they want to stay together for one more run and no offer is going to make anyone leave. They may think they've got it all together and need one more chance. Yes it would be better to stick it to them and make him sign for more than he otherwise, but I can't see tb players leaving at this point.

[OpIv37]

He threw one at one guy, 5 years ago and now's he's exactly like Snyder?
How many players has he "bought" since then? How many times has he interfered in the running of his team?

You're either acting like the chick who brings something that happened way in the past and can't past it or like BillsImpossible by taking the most superficial look at something possible - I'm not sure which......

The same year we got Leino, he signed Ehrhoff and another expensive D man (can't remember and too lazy to look it up). Then we had limited cap space for a couple years until it became painfully obvious that we had to break it down and start over. The is only the second time he's had both a decent core and cap money to spend in the same season with the Sabres.

However, he did the EXACT SAME THING with the Bills last year: McCoy, Clay, Tyrod, Incognito, Harvin.... He went all in on fancy new toys that didn't yield results.

The guy's had two opportunities to spend big with the third coming tomorrow. And he's gone all in both times.

[Dr. Lecter]

Tyrod, Incognito and Harvin were not expensive last year. They were actually quite cheap. Clay and McCoy were, but it's no different than what most NFL teams do - i.e throwing money at players that don't always work out.

Erhoff had a 4 million cap hit and wasn't expensive. The term was long - but he wasn't expensive or a big cap hit.

The cap issues came more from Vanek, Pominville, Miller, etc who had contracts from BEFORE Pegula. Do you want to compare their cap hits to those of Leino and Erhoff?

And who is this mystery other Dman?

The problem is that you *****ed for years that these teams didn't spend money. Now they do and you complain about that. I get that some of these guys didn't work out. but that doesn't make him exactly like Snyder at all.

[OpIv37]

Tyrod, Incognito and Harvin were not expensive last year. They were actually quite cheap. Clay and McCoy were, but it's no different than what most NFL teams do - i.e throwing money at players that don't always work out.

Erhoff had a 4 million cap hit and wasn't expensive. The term was long - but he wasn't expensive or a big cap hit.

The cap issues came more from Vanek, Pominville, Miller, etc who had contracts from BEFORE Pegula. Do you want to compare their cap hits to those of Leino and Erhoff?

And who is this mystery other Dman?

The problem is that you *****ed for years that these teams didn't spend money. Now they do and you complain about that. I get that some of these guys didn't work out. but that doesn't make him exactly like Snyder at all.
Completely wrong. I've always said that throwing money at a problem doesn't make it go away. It needs to be spent wisely.
Spending right up to the cap on skill players without building the line or having the right defenders for the coach's system isn't wise.

Losing out on the first biggest name and throwing money at the second biggest name isn't wise. And $4 million a season was a big contract 5 years ago.

[OpIv37]

And Robyn Regher was the other D man I was thinking of.

[Dr. Lecter]

Completely wrong. I've always said that throwing money at a problem doesn't make it go away. It needs to be spent wisely.
Spending right up to the cap on skill players without building the line or having the right defenders for the coach's system isn't wise.

Losing out on the first biggest name and throwing money at the second biggest name isn't wise. And $4 million a season was a big contract 5 years ago.

No, $4 million a year really wasn't that huge 5 years ago. His cap hit was well down the list on the Sabres roster below players that were signed before Pegula was around (the point I made too and you ignore while it is completely relevant)

And Tyrod, Incognito and Harvin weren't expensive. That point still stands (and you ignored it)

And of course throwing money at a problem doesn't make it go away. It does need to be spent wisely. That wasn't the point either.

Snyder, nearly every single year, throws money at players that is laughable. He runs the team and makes bad choices himself.

Pegula does neither of those. He's really nothing like the arrogant blowhard named Snyder.

[Dr. Lecter]

And Robyn Regher was the other D man I was thinking of.
Who also wasn't that expensive.

[OpIv37]

No, $4 million a year really wasn't that huge 5 years ago. His cap hit was well down the list on the Sabres roster below players that were signed before Pegula was around (the point I made too and you ignore while it is completely relevant)

And Tyrod, Incognito and Harvin weren't expensive. That point still stands (and you ignored it)

And of course throwing money at a problem doesn't make it go away. It does need to be spent wisely. That wasn't the point either.

Snyder, nearly every single year, throws money at players that is laughable. He runs the team and makes bad choices himself.

Pegula does neither of those. He's really nothing like the arrogant blowhard named Snyder.
Throwing money at McCoy and Clay with an unproven QB and questionable OL is laughable.

Throwing money at Leino cuz he lost out on the guy he really wanted is laughable.

Pegula is not an arrogant blowhard like Snyder- I'll give you that. But he isn't any wiser than Snyder in terms of throwing money around.

[OpIv37]

Oh and as far as inheriting those other contracts: Regier was responsible but Pegula kept him around and allowed him to exascerbate the problem. Just because he didn't start the fire doesn't mean he didn't throw a lot of fuel on it.

[Ginger Vitis]

and questionable OL is laughable.




Turns out you were dead wrong about the OL going to be a disaster in 2015
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/



https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/

[OpIv37]

Turns out you were dead wrong about the OL going to be a disaster in 2015
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/



https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/
Yeah well, the point holds true. No one knew how Incognito would play on his return and we had other question marks on the OL as well. It turned out OK, but the team had no way of knowing that when they spent big on an RB, TE and QB.

[Historian]

..or any success.

[JATMtheJATM]

Oh and as far as inheriting those other contracts: Regier was responsible but Pegula kept him around and allowed him to exascerbate the problem. Just because he didn't start the fire doesn't mean he didn't throw a lot of fuel on it.

The biggest problem with regier is at the end, he was making mistake after mistake. But up till about 2006, he was shrewd and hitting on alot of his moves. Remember, he got briere for gratton and gilmour/Dumont for grosek. Yeah, the writing was on the wall when he kept kotalik over Dumont in 06, and Grier was upset at the front office when he left, but for a while, regier was actually good.

[Skooby]

Yeah well, the point holds true. No one knew how Incognito would play on his return and we had other question marks on the OL as well. It turned out OK, but the team had no way of knowing that when they spent big on an RB, TE and QB.

We know now and he played great, so we can assume about the same this season or better plus TT has another year of seasoning. Our Defense needs to step up big this season & if that happens, we hit the playoffs.

[ckg927]

He's not really anything like Snyder.

Pegula is NOTHING like Snyder. Pegs prefers staying in the background; Snyder...well, he can't help but talk to the press.

End of discussion.

[swiper]

He's not really anything like Snyder.

Your right. He makes Snyder look intelligent.

When will the bloom finally wear off the rose and fans see the flaws in the Pegulas. They are the prototypical rich people who buy sports franchise as toys when they have no clue what they are doing.

[swiper]

The same year we got Leino, he signed Ehrhoff and another expensive D man (can't remember and too lazy to look it up). Then we had limited cap space for a couple years until it became painfully obvious that we had to break it down and start over. The is only the second time he's had both a decent core and cap money to spend in the same season with the Sabres.

However, he did the EXACT SAME THING with the Bills last year: McCoy, Clay, Tyrod, Incognito, Harvin.... He went all in on fancy new toys that didn't yield results.

The guy's had two opportunities to spend big with the third coming tomorrow. And he's gone all in both times.

Exactly. Ehrhoff, Regher, and Leino were all signed by Regier under direct instructions of the ******ed new owner.

Now he has ROR who he pays tons of money and who goes out immediately and gets into trouble. Then he gets Evander Kane who spits in his face too. Yeah. Pegula is a great owner. Not.

[swiper]

Pegula is NOTHING like Snyder. Pegs prefers staying in the background; Snyder...well, he can't help but talk to the press.

End of discussion.


LOL. I expected more from you. But you fail. Terry & Kim Pegula like to stay in the background? Ridiculous.

[Dr. Lecter]

When Swiper agrees with you, you know you are in deep ****.

[Dr. Lecter]

Now back to the original point - Op are you comparing Kucherov to Leino?

[OpIv37]

Pegula is NOTHING like Snyder. Pegs prefers staying in the background; Snyder...well, he can't help but talk to the press.

End of discussion.

You're talking about attitude. I'm talking about spending on players. On the former, I agree. Pegula is not like Snyder in that regard. On the latter, they are very, very similar.

[OpIv37]

Now back to the original point - Op are you comparing Kucherov to Leino?

No, I'm simply saying that hitting the panic button for free agency plan B set this team back 3 years the last time they did it.

[YardRat]

No, I'm simply saying that hitting the panic button for free agency plan B set this team back 3 years the last time they did it.

So the only acceptable options are Plan A and nothing?

[OpIv37]

So the only acceptable options are Plan A and nothing?

Once again, we didn't get what we wanted. The only acceptable option is to think things through and be reasonable with what they do next. Once again, Pegula has only been active in FA twice and he overspent both times. So, I'm not convinced they can be reasonable.

[Dr. Lecter]

Isn't most FA overspending though? That's what FA is all about.

[Dr. Lecter]

No, I'm simply saying that hitting the panic button for free agency plan B set this team back 3 years the last time they did it.

Would spending 7 million on Kucherov be hitting the panic button?

And the guy picking the players to spend on isn't the same now. It's a totally different management team

[swiper]

Owner is still the same. It must be tough to go through life with blinders on.

[OpIv37]

Would spending 7 million on Kucherov be hitting the panic button?

And the guy picking the players to spend on isn't the same now. It's a totally different management team
Still the same guy signing the checks.

[Dr. Lecter]

Owner is still the same. It must be tough to go through life with blinders on.

Of course he's the same. I never said it wasn't

And it must be tough - but you've survived and are successful even with the blinders you have on.

[Dr. Lecter]

Still the same guy signing the checks.

Didn't say otherwise.

Are you saying that's it's irrelevant that the GM and much of the hockey department is different?

[OpIv37]

Didn't say otherwise.

Are you saying that's it's irrelevant that the GM and much of the hockey department is different?

I'm saying the guy signing the checks has only been active in two FA periods between the Bills and Sabres and he's overspent in both.

[JATMtheJATM]

I'm saying the guy signing the checks has only been active in two FA periods between the Bills and Sabres and he's overspent in both.

In fairness, the team decided to gut itself of its core, and rebuild. I think what's his nuts was on board

[swiper]

Would spending 7 million on Kucherov be hitting the panic button?

And the guy picking the players to spend on isn't the same now. It's a totally different management team

I have no blinders on. Don't know what exactly you're referring to. To deny this owner has made some big missteps with the team is to have blinders on. Perhaps the best thing he did for himself wa to get GMTM. But apparently he has some warts too. You'd have to ask Spiked & coastal about those. But you'll recall when he bought the team he gave a resounding endorsement for Darcy Regier. How'd that turn out?

[Dr. Lecter]

I have no blinders on. Don't know what exactly you're referring to. To deny this owner has made some big missteps with the team is to have blinders on. Perhaps the best thing he did for himself wa to get GMTM. But apparently he has some warts too. You'd have to ask Spiked & coastal about those. But you'll recall when he bought the team he gave a resounding endorsement for Darcy Regier. How'd that turn out?

There is a huge difference between saying he made missteps and your blind hatred of him and saying he's done nothing right