Speculation - Ragland injury serious

[Skooby]

We signed 2 LB - Spikes / Hawthorne, so we will not be hearing good news about Ragland. Bills being very proactive to try and do well this season.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Skooby... Fixed title... It was misleading.

[Skooby]

Skooby... Fixed title... It was misleading.

We sign 2 LB on Sunday, this is common sense and not speculation.

[The Jokeman]

We sign 2 LB on Sunday, this is common sense and not speculation.

Maybe because we had 2 LBs injured? As we also lost Kevin Reddick to a MCL sprain.
http://www.todayspigskin.com/pigskin-news/bills-kevin-reddick-mcl-sprain/

[Skooby]

Maybe because we had 2 LBs injured? As we also lost Kevin Reddick to a MCL sprain.
http://www.todayspigskin.com/pigskin-news/bills-kevin-reddick-mcl-sprain/

If they couldn't get past the knee swelling to get a clear picture, his injury is going to keep him off the field for a while. I consider that serious and it's a Sunday, so the team is worried / working as well.

[The Jokeman]

If they couldn't get past the knee swelling to get a clear picture, his injury is going to keep him off the field for a while. I consider that serious and it's a Sunday, so the team is worried / working as well.

He's obviously going to miss time but until we know the full report I'm not going to go "chicken little" over it. Besides it was nice that could add some veteran depth to help shore up the position.

[Skooby]

He's obviously going to miss time but until we know the full report I'm not going to go "chicken little" over it. Besides it was nice that could add some veteran depth to help shore up the position.

It's not chicken little at all, his injury and our lack of depth at LB is forcing the team to go out and get 2 new LB's.

[trapezeus]

Fully healthy with Rex as coach this was a 6 win team. I'm seeing them as a 4 win team at this point. In game coaching is a huge weakness now hampered by lack of depth on d.

[Skooby]

Fully healthy with Rex as coach this was a 6 win team. I'm seeing them as a 4 win team at this point. In game coaching is a huge weakness now hampered by lack of depth on d.

We are tracking 13th in the conference right now as I have mentioned previously, so that's about a 5-6 win season. I would take the under on the win line at 8, it's not looking good for us.

[swiper]

It's going to take these LBers some time to get into game shape. They were signed early so they could get there, just in case the injury is a bad one.

[trapezeus]

Is 8 wins the Vegas line?

[Ginger Vitis]

Bills being very proactive to try and do well this season.

You said 3 days ago the Bills FO is expecting to finish 12th in the conference this year lol

[Skooby]

You said 3 days ago the Bills FO is expecting to finish 12th in the conference this year lol

Trying to do well doesn't mean they can't but analytics has made it look like we are F-D. It's 13th, with 3 teams being worse.

[Yasgur's Farm]

We sign 2 LB on Sunday, this is common sense and not speculation.BS... Give me a link, tweet, fart noise... Anything. This is nothing but speculation... Even if it becomes fact in the future.

[Yasgur's Farm]

That being said... Let me add to the speculation...

Rex Ryan-
Opening Statement: Obviously, last night, you know, we found out, you know, with Reggie (Ragland), you know, there’s something we had mentioned that we’re definitely concerned over the knee. We don’t have any specifics for you yet. Quite honestly, we’re going to let--we have to get the swelling out of there before we know exactly what it is. So however long that takes, we’re not real sure. But, with that being said there’s, obviously, with a knee there is a lot of concern. So we’ll have some guys come in, work some guys out tomorrow, see how that goes, you know, just in case. And quite honestly we lost three linebackers. We’re only down to three linebackers today for the scrimmage, the inside backers and really injuries in general. So, we’re just going to shorten up our scrimmage. I know we told you about we’re going to have a two minute— and we’re not gong to be able to do that because the numbers, we’re just so down there. We want to make sure we’re taking care of our players. We want to get some work done this is a big night for our players. And, you know, next step and, you know, the progression and, you know, next week, obviously, the preseason game. And, quite honestly, some starters will probably play tonight more than they’ll play even in that first preseason game. So, it’s a big night, but with that being said it’s going to be a much shorter night than it was, you know, last year.

[YardRat]

Well, at least we're not talking about the woes at the RB position anymore.

[DraftBoy]

Schefter is reporting that it's a partial ACL tear.

[feldspar]

Schefter is reporting that it's a partial ACL tear.

I made a thread saying that.

[Skooby]

Schefter is reporting that it's a partial ACL tear.

So does that make an late October / Early November return possible ?

[DesertFox24]

Well there goes any reason for me to watch the preseason. Only reason I ever watch is to see young players who may start or play a lot.

Ugh oh well it is what it is. Pegula will clean house and it will be another three year rebuilding process.

Bills will be good in 2019 yes.

[Typ0]

I doubt they will know anything until it's repaired and he gets in rehab. This Defense is in rough shape....

[Typ0]

Well there goes any reason for me to watch the preseason. Only reason I ever watch is to see young players who may start or play a lot.

Ugh oh well it is what it is. Pegula will clean house and it will be another three year rebuilding process.

Bills will be good in 2019 yes.

Rex will last for another season after this one. He's on coast collecting as much $$$ as he can for retirement right now. Brought in Rob to get some more in the family....Rob will take the fall in the off season. These guys think they are smarter than everyone else that is why no one understands them ...

[HHURRICANE]

BS... Give me a link, tweet, fart noise... Anything. This is nothing but speculation... Even if it becomes fact in the future.

Dude it's not looking good when the coach is saying its not looking good.

[DraftBoy]

So does that make an late October / Early November return possible ?
Depends, the fact that it's a partial or full tear is relatively inconsequential to if the knee is still stable or unstable. The question about stability will determine the course of treatment and length of time out.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Dude it's not looking good when the coach is saying its not looking good.Never said it looks good or bad... Just called it speculation because that's clearly what it was... He had no links or sources. Still nothing concrete... And certainly no recovery period suggested yet.

[Skooby]

Never said it looks good or bad... Just called it speculation because that's clearly what it was... He had no links or sources. Still nothing concrete... And certainly no recovery period suggested yet.

The Bills went out and signed 2 LB on a Sunday and they couldn't even get a good MRI because of the amount of swelling, do you want to inspect the knees yourself to think there's isn't a major problem ?

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Dude it's not looking good when the coach is saying its not looking good.

But it's speculation, LOL. I mean WTF ??

[gebobs]

Frickin' leave this joint for three weeks and I come back to this? Egad.

Speaking of speculation, the speculation by one Nick Malize (http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/8/8/12401518/professional-evaluation-of-reggie-ragland-s-partially-torn-acl) is November at the earliest.

[Skooby]

RR has a tear, this is serious and it's going to sideline him for a while:

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2016/08/08/Buffalo-Bills-LB-Reggie-Ragland-has-partial-ACL-tear/6271470631139/

[Skooby]

Frickin' leave this joint for three weeks and I come back to this? Egad.

Speaking of speculation, the speculation by one Nick Malize (http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/8/8/12401518/professional-evaluation-of-reggie-ragland-s-partially-torn-acl) is November at the earliest.

How come realistic expectations are considered speculation ?? Late October / Early November is exactly what I figured as well. Can there be a few weeks earlier return ?? Sure, but there could be a few weeks later as well. Being realistic isn't speculation.

[gebobs]

How come realistic expectations are considered speculation ??
Because it's based on assumptions and incomplete information.


Being realistic isn't speculation.

Being realistic is speculation too. It's just the most likely speculation which is why it's called realistic as opposed to optimistic or pessimistic.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Skooby... now you're free to make a thread

[Skooby]

Skooby... now you're free to make a thread

LOL. I tell you guys stuff & most of it shows up, sometimes in hours / sometimes in days. This was always serious from what I was told & the surgeon will determine how long he's out. I'm really upset about it and wanted him to come out storming, 2 of the 3 guys off the bus down for now and Washington wasn't running with the 1st squad. So much for 3 starters, Rex jinxed us & I don't really believe in jinxes.

[swiper]

Ragland out for the year. Another OBD failure.

[elroy16]

Ragland out for the year. Another OBD failure.


How?

[gebobs]

How?

It's a fail. It's not their fault, but sometimes you fail regardless.

You have a job interview. You have two cars. One needs work so you drop it off at the mechanic thinking you can rely on the other to get to the appointed time. The next morning, you shine your shoes, get dressed, looking all spiffy. You crank the engine and....*sputter*.

Fail.

[gebobs]

Because it's based on assumptions and incomplete information.


Being realistic is speculation too. It's just the most likely speculation which is why it's called realistic as opposed to optimistic or pessimistic.

As usual for the Buffalo Bills, the pessimistic view reigns supreme.

What a bunch of losers.

[stuckincincy]

As usual for the Buffalo Bills, the pessimistic view reigns supreme.

What a bunch of losers.

Given that the team hasn't made the playoffs since the 1999 season, isn't that the realistic view? Years and years of coaching changes, front office changes, owner of one of the league's most chronic QB merry-go-round.

[gebobs]

Given that the team hasn't made the playoffs since the 1999 season, isn't that the realistic view? Years and years of coaching changes, front office changes, owner of one of the league's most chronic QB merry-go-round.

Haha...indeed.

All joking aside though, the pessimism/realism/optimism here was about the injury and front office incompetence doesn't impact that unless Doug Whaley is performing the surgery. The speculation regarding how long he would be out ranged from the preseason to the whole season with the happy middle being a November return.

Whaley can't be held accountable for this but it sure doesn't help his reputation. Just about everything he touches turns to crap whether it's his fault or not. The sight of him makes me sick.

[Skooby]

Ragland is no one's fault, things happen. I looked for previous knee injuries and couldn't find anything on him.

[stuckincincy]

Haha...indeed.

All joking aside though, the pessimism/realism/optimism here was about the injury and front office incompetence doesn't impact that unless Doug Whaley is performing the surgery. The speculation regarding how long he would be out ranged from the preseason to the whole season with the happy middle being a November return.

Whaley can't be held accountable for this but it sure doesn't help his reputation. Just about everything he touches turns to crap whether it's his fault or not. The sight of him makes me sick.

Take the broader view. I'm not picking on Whaley, and the current crew. There has to be some reason why such a long playoff drought exists. My thought is that Wilson and now Pegula knew/know that that the Bflo. market is a cash cow. So far, the NFL is a no-risk investment. Getting 5 or 10 million easy profit from a franchise seems to me to be lucrative, with the added bonus of being the boss of a team. Most of us would enjoy that.

Nothing is going to change unless the comfortable cash cow is disturbed. And that's not buying the home tix.

That's what finally got through the noggin of CIN owner Brown. We all know about that franchise and how deeply it is run by the Brown family, the story of Paul Brown getting figuratively stabbed by Art Modell. Mikie finally turned over the day-to-day to his kids, who got the team out of the lost '90's. And did a bang-up job with talent acquisition.

Unfortunately, the old man's insistence on loyalty resulted in the appointment of coach-for-life Marvin Lewis. And we see what a failure he has been in big games.

Credit the Cincy fans, though. Sellouts are definitely not assured - Brown was one of those who agreed to that modification a few years back - don't recall the details - that cut his share of the gate and reduced the level of seats sold to make it a sellout for tv broadcasting. They still bite their fingernails...even with a franchise that made the playoffs for 6 years straight, the fans here aren't inclined to trusting them, so the Brown family frets the loss of the TV cash.

I doubt that BUF will ever be a contender until the fans stop buying tix. Good gosh - this is a club that drafted or traded RB after RB when they had good stock already on the club, knowing that new RBs are a time-honored method to gin up excitement.