Karlos Williams released

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[The Jokeman]

He must have really screwed up bad. A shame really as had a promising rookie year.

[feldspar]

Crazy

On to New England, where he'll be back the same time as Brady.

[Buffalo Thriller]

Such a shame. Had very high hopes for him.

[HHURRICANE]

Whaley is a draft genius especially in later rounds.

[Captain gameboy]

Wow.

In a few decades of watching this team, and especially witnessing the last few years where they have evolved with the rest of the league to give many chances, this is a surprise.

Jonathan Williams must be pretty good, and better be pretty good.

[feldspar]

He must have really screwed up bad.

Well, we know that he showed up overweight and then got suspended 4 games for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Do we know what drugs he took? My guess is weed.

That's all bad, but is it bad enough to release him over? I didn't think so, or at least I assumed that he could work through those problems and the Bills would spot him some time based on his performance last year. But like you alluded to, there may be some things that we don't know about that contributed to the decision.

Also, we're still pretty stacked at RB. Somebody promising was going to have to go. I have a pretty good feeling about Gillislee and Jonathan Williams as backup or change of pace guys behind Shady. We got Bush for this year too, but I don't figure he'll actually rush the ball too often. Wilder Jr could make the team now, but I doubt it.

[Mr. Pink]

Not a surprise based on his offseason.

[Goobylal]

Crazy

On to New England, where he'll be back the same time as Brady.

Depends on whether he passes through the 27 other teams ahead of them on the waiver wire. I'm thinking not.


Whaley is a draft genius especially in later rounds.

Yup. Jonathan Williams will probably end up doing as well as KW did last year.

[Mr. Pink]

Depends on whether he passes through the 27 other teams ahead of them on the waiver wire. I'm thinking not.




Based on Karlos' offseason, it wouldn't shock me if he remains unclaimed...by anyone.

RBs are a dime a dozen and who wants an out of shape DWI guy?

[OpIv37]

What a **** show.

[feldspar]

Depends on whether he passes through the 27 other teams ahead of them on the waiver wire. I'm thinking not.

Good call.

[OpIv37]

It wouldn't shock me if no one signed him. Even if a team gets bogged down by injuries at RB, he can't play for 4 games after he's signed, so he won't really help.

[Thurmal]

I have a feeling this is going to come back to bite us in the ass, but I guess you could say that about 95% of their personnel moves, so I'm not exactly going to look like a prophet or anything.

[feldspar]

It wouldn't shock me if no one signed him. Even if a team gets bogged down by injuries at RB, he can't play for 4 games after he's signed, so he won't really help.

It could go either way.

I mean, he can't help anyone until week 5, but he wouldn't take up a roster spot until then either. It'll be interesting to follow at least. I think there's a good chance somebody will take a flier on him regardless of the offseason he had. Someone will see him as salvageable after what he did last year IMO. He's a player I'll follow if and when he gets on another roster. Then we'll get an idea of what kind of decision this was...I wasn't expecting it.

[WagonCircler]

Dumb players. Poor outcomes.

Same as it ever was.

[stuckincincy]

He sent a message of thanks to fans and the Bills - the caption of the instagram in this link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-release-overweight-karlos-williams-as-brutal-preseason-rolls-on/

[GreedoII]

this team still is dysfunctional new ownership and all. It's Russ Brandon's fault. He's the last link to 15 yrs of failure

[HHURRICANE]

Yup. Jonathan Williams will probably end up doing as well as KW did last year.

Your joking right? That just became a wasted pick from last year. And let's look at the two guys on D that aren't on the field.

Geez I don't get some people around here.

[Ingtar33]

Crazy

On to New England, where he'll be back the same time as Brady.

he'll lead the patriots to 3 more AFC championships and 2 more superbowls.

thats how the bills karma works.

[feldspar]

It's Russ Brandon's fault.

Lol.

How dumb are you, really? Dumb enough not to realize that this is a rhetorical question?

[sudzy]

Dumb players. Poor outcomes.

Same as it ever was.

Whaley's kind of player. Fragile, dumb and unmotivated.

[YardRat]

Too bad, other than the concussion I really liked what the kid brought to the field on game day.

[mdcas22]

could be the Bills reclaim him after week 4 if no one claims him of waivers.

[Thurmal]

He must've gotten arrested or something yesterday.

[feldspar]

Whaley's kind of player. Fragile, dumb and unmotivated.

Another failure in logic.

If Karlos is "Whaley's kind of player," then why the hell did Whaley just cut him?

Riddle me that...

[stuckincincy]

He must've gotten arrested or something yesterday.

Maybe he decided that his future lie elsewhere. There was some high pick a few years back who left after a year. I can't recall his name - a linbacker, perhaps?

[Goobylal]

Based on Karlos' offseason, it wouldn't shock me if he remains unclaimed...by anyone.

RBs are a dime a dozen and who wants an out of shape DWI guy?

Backup RB's are a dime a dozen. I agree that no one may claim him.


Your joking right? That just became a wasted pick from last year. And let's look at the two guys on D that aren't on the field.

Geez I don't get some people around here.

And it's Whaley's fault that KW got himself cut and Ragland got injured? But again, who cares, if JW can replace him?

[justasportsfan]

Crazy

On to New England, where he'll be back the same time as Brady.

As a pats rb?

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I would assume he went into Rex's office and ate all the M&Ms out of the jar and hence the cut.

[feldspar]

As a pats rb?

No, to tend to the Pat's Queens Anne's Lace.

[justasportsfan]

No, to tend to the Pat's Queens Anne's Lace.
Can he bend that low with all that weight?

[feldspar]

Can he bend that low with all that weight?

Wouldn't you like to know...

[Mr. Cynical]

Hard to know if this was a smart move without knowing the exact reason. I have to believe it's more than just his weight or weed issue. Otherwise this could very likely come back to bite them in the ass, unless they really feel J.Williams is a plug and play for him. Bush, Gillislee, Herron, Wilder...they are all niche or bench depth.

[The Jokeman]

Well, we know that he showed up overweight and then got suspended 4 games for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Do we know what drugs he took? My guess is weed.

That's all bad, but is it bad enough to release him over? I didn't think so, or at least I assumed that he could work through those problems and the Bills would spot him some time based on his performance last year. But like you alluded to, there may be some things that we don't know about that contributed to the decision.

Also, we're still pretty stacked at RB. Somebody promising was going to have to go. I have a pretty good feeling about Gillislee and Jonathan Williams as backup or change of pace guys behind Shady. We got Bush for this year too, but I don't figure he'll actually rush the ball too often. Wilder Jr could make the team now, but I doubt it.

Even so you'd think we could have traded him for a depth player or at the very least a conditional draft pick. Just odd to cut him for no compensation.

[Mace]

Hard to know if this was a smart move without knowing the exact reason. I have to believe it's more than just his weight or weed issue.

Was just reading this :


He showed up to spring organized team activities about 25 pounds overweight, forcing the team to hold him out of practice.

After that, he was hit with a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy. When the Bills reported to training camp at St. John Fisher College in Pittsford at the end of July, one league source told The Buffalo News Williams weighed in 5 pounds heavier than he was in the spring. Another source told The News that as training camp progressed, Williams was actually gaining weight, rather than coming back down to the team's assigned goal.

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/08/20/bills-release-second-year-running-back-karlos-williams/

Sure hope he didn't get himself into the Purple Drank vibe. Makes you keep gaining weight.

Weird part was : http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/25501/karlos-williams-returns-to-practice-cuts-red-meat-out-of-diet

[justasportsfan]

Wouldn't you like to know...
You had a gay thought?

[MikeInRoch]

Your joking right? That just became a wasted pick from last year. And let's look at the two guys on D that aren't on the field.

Geez I don't get some people around here.

So you are blaming the GM for an ACL injury suffered in training camp?

[feldspar]

You had a gay thought?

It would appear so, but you're the one wondering if a guy can bend over...although I'd prefer to call it a borderline humorous thought.

But the Gay thought should soon be released. He goes by the name of Jordan.

[streetkings01]

How many users actually post on this board? It seems as if the same 10 guys moan and groan in every thread about every personnel move this team makes. I haven't spent as much time on this board as I used to but sheesh it's gone down the drain!

[Mace]

How many users actually post on this board? It seems as if the same 10 guys moan and groan in every thread about every personnel move this team makes. I haven't spent as much time on this board as I used to but sheesh it's gone down the drain!

Well, I do. I never really notice anyone else unless they have a good avatar, and then I forget it until the next time I notice it again. About 10, yes.

[Skooby]

Karlos has issues folks, major ones.

[Mace]

I'm still thinking Purple Drank.

[coastal]

Heard he liked Paula's Donuts..

[Mr. Miyagi]

It would not surprise me if they signs with New England before the weekend is over.

[swiper]

It would not surprise me if they signs with New England before the weekend is over.


The Patriots certainly have signed Buffalo cast-offs over the years that had something left in the tank. Karlos Williams doesn't have anything to contribute. So I doubt the Patriots or anyone will sign him.

[mdcas22]

It would not surprise me if they signs with New England before the weekend is over.

have to clear most of the other nfl teams 1st before the patzys can put a claim in. I don't think we here his name until after week 4 maybe.

[Night Train]

I guess entitlement doesn't always work.

Meanwhile, others bust their behind and earn their spot.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

It's disappointing that the guy ate and smoked himself out of a job in only a year. I had high hopes that he might replace McCoy in a few years.

[Skooby]

It's disappointing that the guy ate and smoked himself out of a job in only a year. I had high hopes that he might replace McCoy in a few years.

Not too me it isn't, stupid F-ER wrecked his life. Explain that to his kids about what not to do, dumbass.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Not too me it isn't, stupid F-ER wrecked his life. Explain that to his kids about what not to do, dumbass.

I'm not disagreeing with the decision to cut him, I'm saying I'm disappointed that he fubared it so fast.

[Captain gameboy]

We have "won the off season" by a large margin, and with Dareus and this guy, we are running up the score.

[Skooby]

I'm not disagreeing with the decision to cut him, I'm saying I'm disappointed that he fubared it so fast.

Best to know now who's come to play and who's just playing, we need roster spots.

[YardRat]

You had a gay thought?


It would appear so

Nice. Something to compliment your gay avatar once the team hits 9 losses.

[gebobs]

He's going to have a heckuva time keeping up with his gal's appetite on a burger flipper's salary.

[Buffalogic]

He cleared waivers. Let's get him on the practice squad?

[gebobs]

It's disappointing that the guy ate and smoked himself out of a job in only a year. I had high hopes that he might replace McCoy in a few years.

Guys like KW are a dime a dozen. Strong as an ox but a big vacuum between the ears. Buh bye.

[feldspar]

He's going to have a heckuva time keeping up with his gal's appetite on a burger flipper's salary.

That becomes less funny when you remember that Karlos Williams has FOUR children. The guy just turned 23 and already has four kids. Amazing...Then he goes and pulls the crap he did this offseason. Seems like self-control is not his strong-suit.

[psubills62]

They needed an excuse to draft a RB next year, I'm guessing.

[Skooby]

They needed an excuse to draft a RB next year, I'm guessing.

Or another CB.

[Goobylal]

Or another CB.

If they can hit on late round CBs like Seymour...

[mdcas22]

ew England Patriots rumors: How would free agent RB Karlos Williams fit?
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New England Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski misses third straight practice (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/08/rob_gronkowski_misses_third_st.html)
Bill Belichick: James White has 'taken a more active role' in New England Patriots' running game (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/08/james_white_patriots_belichick.html)
Damage report: Reviewing the Patriots' 2016 injuries, from Dion Lewis' knee to Tom Brady's thumb (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/08/damage_report_patriots_injuries_2016.html)
Why was Tom Brady excused from Patriots practice? 'Your guess is as good as mine' says Jimmy Garoppolo (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/08/why_was_tom_brady_excused_from.html)
Watch: New England Patriots S Nate Ebner discusses Olympic experiencehe Patriots are seemingly in need of a young running back, and the Bills just happened to release one Saturday. (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/08/watch_new_england_patriots_s_n.html)




So are the Pats and Karlos Williams a good match?
Possibly.
Listed at 230 pounds, Williams is a powerful back with good speed, as evidenced by his 4.48 40 yard dash time at the 2015 NFL combine. He is a bit of an upright runner, but he possesses rare athleticism at his size.
Based on a highly impressive rookie season in which Williams averaged 5.6 yards per carry and scored nine touchdowns, Williams is almost certain to be claimed off waivers.
That's the good.
The bad: According to ESPN's Adam Schefter (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17354153/buffalo-bills-release-rb-karlos-williams-one-season), Williams ballooned to 261 pounds in the offseason. He is facing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. He also entered the league with some off-the-field issues; he was investigated for domestic battery (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/10/31/emails-reveal-roots-of-karlos-williams-domestic-battery-case/18242761/) at Florida State, but charges were never filed.
That's a lot of baggage.
If the Patriots deem Williams talented enough to take a risk, he'd probably carve out a role in the backfield. LeGarrette Blount had a strong showing in Thursday's preseason win over the Bears, but he has struggled in short-yardage situations and isn't likely to stick around in New England beyond this season. At 29, Blount is nearing the end of his career.
Tyler Gaffney hasn't shown much behind him, and Brandon Bolden has never been a dependable between-the-tackles back. Donald Brown, who signed as a free agent in the offseason, has hardly practiced.

Dion Lewis' situation remains murky (http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/08/dion_lewis_injury_status_will.html), but the Pats have insurance behind him in James White.
It wouldn't be a surprise to see the Patriots add a big, young running back to the mix, but they may want to wait until other teams trim their rosters. The Chiefs and Titans, for example, have several young running backs that are in danger of not making the 53-man roster.

[trapezeus]

I had no hopes for karlos other than to be a good back up. last year, with the concussions, I didn't think he'd last more than 3 years. this early exit surprised me.

[Skooby]

I had no hopes for karlos other than to be a good back up. last year, with the concussions, I didn't think he'd last more than 3 years. this early exit surprised me.

The dude has some other major baggage past drugs and being way out of shape / suspended.

[trapezeus]

lay it on us. it's a slow week in bills news. give us something to speculate on.

[feldspar]

lay it on us. it's a slow week in bills news. give us something to speculate on.

Skooby has a source, which happens to be the wart on Dareus' ass.

[Skooby]

Skooby has a source, which happens to be the wart on Dareus' ass.

The wart popped and Karlos is gone, so it's all over but the shouting.

[Goobylal]

I had no hopes for karlos other than to be a good back up. last year, with the concussions, I didn't think he'd last more than 3 years. this early exit surprised me.


The dude has some other major baggage past drugs and being way out of shape / suspended.

I like was KW did last year, but I always said he had a lot to prove before he could be considered a featured RB, and he was likely to never realize it given his concussions. The drug stuff was another surprising blow, and while I knew of the bad stuff in his background, I didn't realize it was as bad as it apparently is.

[gebobs]

FSU. Nuff said.

[GingerP]

He apparently visited the Jets today.

[feldspar]

FSU. Nuff said.

What, you don't like Richard Simmons? What's the matter with you?

Jim Morrison or Burt Reynolds? The Lizard King and the Bandit?

[swiper]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJxsQ4DBoW2/

[Mace]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJxsQ4DBoW2/

His final exit was much classier than what led to his final exit. Hope he fixes himself and he pulls out a good future without concussions.

[Goobylal]

His final exit was much classier than what led to his final exit. Hope he fixes himself and he pulls out a good future without concussions.

I never heard what led to it. I get he had a history coming into the league, was overweight and apparently gaining weight in training camp, but some event must have precipitated his release at that time.

[Mace]

I never heard what led to it. I get he had a history coming into the league, was overweight and apparently gaining weight in training camp, but some event must have precipitated his release at that time.

No idea. But he's headed back to Florida after 11 days of fa and clearing waivers, which seems odd after teams showing interest.

[mdcas22]

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Capaccio, a beat writer for the Bills, stated the Steelers continue to show interest in Karlos Williams, and I doubt it would be a stretch to imagine Vince pulling some strings for his brother to become a part of what could be a very special group in 2016. Nonetheless, Karlos is suspended the first four games of the 2016 season due to a DUI and violation of the league's Substance Abuse Program.
What is even more head scratching in this scenario is the Steelers reported need for a running back. Le'Veon Bell (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193405/le-veon-bell) is the entrenched starter, with DeAngelo Williams (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2199/deangelo-williams) fully capable as the primary backup, and starter throughout Bell's three-game suspension. However, the team seems to have two capable players currently on their roster who could fill out the depth chart, Fitzgerald Toussaint (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245953/fitgerald-toussaint) and Daryl Richardson (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/155181/daryl-richardson).
Both players have played well in the preseason, but these reports of the Steelers' interest in Williams could show their lack of faith in any running back not named Bell or Williams.
In 2015, as a rookie, Williams rushed for 517 yards on 93 attempts in 11 games, all while scoring 7 touchdowns. Williams is a bigger back, 6-feet 1-inches and 229-pounds, but has had questions surrounding his conditioning after his tenure in Buffalo came to a close.



If the Steelers decide to sign Williams, it would be more than just a reuniting with his biological brother, it would equate to the end of the road for either Toussaint or Richardson.

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[swiper]

Would be god to see him get his act together and get back on to the field.

[Goobylal]

No idea. But he's headed back to Florida after 11 days of fa and clearing waivers, which seems odd after teams showing interest.

I'm not surprised. I doubt any team wants to pay him for those 4 games he'll be missing. Much less if he shows up no lighter, much less fatter.

[Mace]

I'm not surprised. I doubt any team wants to pay him for those 4 games he'll be missing. Much less if he shows up no lighter, much less fatter.

That's the thing though. He doesn't get paid for the 4 suspended games and you'd think a team would want him in their conditioning program if they wanted him.

[Goobylal]

That's the thing though. He doesn't get paid for the 4 suspended games and you'd think a team would want him in their conditioning program if they wanted him.

That's right, suspended players don't get paid. Well then, I have no idea why no one would sign him, except they think he's bad news. Or something else is coming down the pike. But if that were the case, why even have him visit?

[Mace]

That's right, suspended players don't get paid. Well then, I have no idea why no one would sign him, except they think he's bad news. Or something else is coming down the pike. But if that were the case, why even have him visit?

Maybe other teams are as baffled as we are and then find out something when they kick the tires. That's the only thing I can figure. Backs are a dime a dozen, but bruisers with speed who can find the end zone, well, you'd think he'd have found a home and a conditioning program by now, or wouldn't be heading home, relocation costs and all. Or at least I would.

At first I was thinking his drug use was purple drank (weight gain), but I remembered his terrible description of his last concussion. Maybe he still has issues with it and that led to his substance abuse. Maybe a pro workout regimen literally gives him headaches. That's all just stupid amateur speculation, but his own description of his last concussion really alarmed me, and a contact back who can't thrive on contact won't get too far.

Anyway, hope I'm wrong and he finds a place to thrive.

[Goobylal]

Maybe other teams are as baffled as we are and then find out something when they kick the tires. That's the only thing I can figure. Backs are a dime a dozen, but bruisers with speed who can find the end zone, well, you'd think he'd have found a home and a conditioning program by now, or wouldn't be heading home, relocation costs and all. Or at least I would.

At first I was thinking his drug use was purple drank (weight gain), but I remembered his terrible description of his last concussion. Maybe he still has issues with it and that led to his substance abuse. Maybe a pro workout regimen literally gives him headaches. That's all just stupid amateur speculation, but his own description of his last concussion really alarmed me, and a contact back who can't thrive on contact won't get too far.

Anyway, hope I'm wrong and he finds a place to thrive.

The concussions is a good point. I loved what he did last year, but I realized he wasn't going to be a featured RB and that his career was going to be short because of the concussion history. Maybe teams see signs of CTE in him already and that's why they're staying away?

[stuckincincy]

Maybe he decided that his best future lie elsewhere, out of football. His contract for 2015 was about $435,000. That's a good start in life for anybody.

There was some high pick a few years back who left after a year, because of concerns about future injury. I can't recall his name - a linebacker, perhaps?

[Ginger Vitis]

There was some high pick a few years back who left after a year, because of concerns about future injury. I can't recall his name - a linebacker, perhaps?

Chris Borland?



http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463272/how-former-san-francisco-49ers-chris-borland-retirement-change-nfl-forever

[feldspar]

Maybe he decided that his best future lie elsewhere, out of football. His contract for 2015 was about $435,000. That's a good start in life for anybody.


You take half that money out for taxes...then consider the fact that Karlos already has 4 kids at 23, I think some from different mothers (not sure).

That money won't last him very long at all. Dunno what other options he has. Seems like he really needs to stick with the game for years to come and stop having additional children if he wants to have any money.

[stuckincincy]

Chris Borland?



http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13463272/how-former-san-francisco-49ers-chris-borland-retirement-change-nfl-forever

Yes - thanks. Good article...

[Goobylal]

The thing is, Borland comes from money and has options. A lot of these other guys don't.