Bills @ Lions GDT !!!

[stuckincincy]

Acting in loco parentis for MitchMurrayDowntown, who I assume is hunkering down because of the Fla. storm, here is the GDT.

I watched DET this preseason. What a pitiful bunch.

Thanks to our poster Mr. Pink, here is the Deadspin site's "Why Your Team Sucks - Detroit Lions."

It is very much NSFW.

http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2016-detroit-lions-1785297993


Go Bills!

[Skooby]

The storm is landing 435 Miles away from me, but Tampa could have major troubles because of any storm surge there is bad. Prayers and love for all involved, please be safe.

GO BILLS!!

[Night Train]

Report that Goodwin suffered a fork injury at the pre-game meal.

[stuckincincy]

Report that Goodwin suffered a fork injury at the pre-game meal.

He must have tried to juke.

[Turf]

I heard it jumped off the plate and hit Easley in the leg.

[YardRat]

Gonna be hard to sit through this one. Fingers crossed for no injuries. Please cut this down to 2 games for '17 and beyond, thanks in advance.

[TacklingDummy]

So the first string offense played out 6 series this preseason?
They should be sharp for opening day.

[stuckincincy]

What?

[ParanoidAndroid]

Who's airing this game?

[YardRat]

Cut Biermann...cut Seamster.

[YardRat]

Wow. Detroit's second stringers are a lot better than the guys Buffalo is going to cut.

[Ginger Vitis]

Steve Tasker just said many teams around the NFL would love to get there hands on EJ Manuel

[Scumbag College]

Anyone else watching on First Row having a choppy feed?

Love the wishbone look on offense. Why does the NFL need a fourth preseason game?

[TacklingDummy]

What?
I friggin hate my iPad. What it should have said is...so the first string offense played about 6 series this preseason.
They should be sharp for opening day.

[Mace]

Manuel is just always the same Manuel.

[Night Train]

Oh look. Iron Man 3 is on FX !

[Mace]

I'm waiting to see me some Cardale.

[stuckincincy]

110 yds TO for DET vs 15 for BUF. Ugh.

[cookie G]

Manuel is just always the same Manuel.

Missed on 2 screen passes and Gronk coming out of the backfield.

Damn...

[YardRat]

LOL...this is REALLY ugly.

[Night Train]

The wishbone was awesome.

South Carolina - Vandy on ESPN. 2nd tier SEC game is better than this.

[Mr. Pink]

I dunno how much of this offense tonight you can blame on Manuel.

This offensive line is absolutely god awful. You could cut all of these guys and sign street free agents and it wouldn't be any worse.

The biggest takeaway this preseason, at least to me, is that we better hope we stay healthy up front or we're gonna end up seeing all 3 QBs before the end of the year taking meaningful snaps.

[Ingtar33]

I know the bills are mailing this one in, but EJ is just grinding on my last nerve right now; and that o-line. I really hope they hate EJ and aren't doing this because that's how bad they stink. Cause right now that is some atrocious o-line play.

[stuckincincy]

That was a series of note...3 downs for minus 16.

[ParanoidAndroid]

-1 total yards. lol

[stuckincincy]

I dunno how much of this offense tonight you can blame on Manuel.

This offensive line is absolutely god awful. You could cut all of these guys and sign street free agents and it wouldn't be any worse.

The biggest takeaway this preseason, at least to me, is that we better hope we stay healthy up front or we're gonna end up seeing all 3 QBs before the end of the year taking meaningful snaps.

They could have drafted an OL prospect this April...oh wait. They needed another RB. :bow:

[YardRat]

I dunno how much of this offense tonight you can blame on Manuel.

This offensive line is absolutely god awful. You could cut all of these guys and sign street free agents and it wouldn't be any worse.

The biggest takeaway this preseason, at least to me, is that we better hope we stay healthy up front or we're gonna end up seeing all 3 QBs before the end of the year taking meaningful snaps.


Lack of depth can be seen up and down the entire roster, except for dline and maybe ILBer. Everywhere else, there isn't ANYBODY behind the starters. The signing of Patrick Lewis at least gives a little bit of hope for C-G.

[Scumbag College]

I can live with Jerel Worthy making the team.

[YardRat]

CARDALE TIME!

[YardRat]

Nice explosion through the hole from Herron on that run.

[Mr. Pink]

Lack of depth can be seen up and down the entire roster, except for dline and maybe ILBer. Everywhere else, there isn't ANYBODY behind the starters. The signing of Patrick Lewis at least gives a little bit of hope for C-G.

Very true.

I think this team can survive if they lose a corner for a few games or if they lose a WR for a few games...they're in some serious trouble if they lose an OL for a few games because all of these backups are turnstiles. Doesn't matter if it's pass pro or run blocking thus far this preseason, minus a couple decent runs sprinkled in - like that one by Herron a couple plays ago.

[Mr. Pink]

Manny Lawson is getting a lot of work tonight and showing why he's a starter in this league vs a second or third stringer.

He's absolutely dominating.

[Night Train]

Remember a few years ago when Appalachian St. stunned Michigan in the opener at Michigan ?

They are up 13-3 right now at #9 Tenn with 8 minutes left in the half. SEC network. Locked on.

[stuckincincy]

Why are they wasting time to determine if they want to keep Herron, or not? They should be passing passing passing to get info about their WR corps, TE situation, and their OL folks' past protect abilities come the final cuts.

Goofy.

[TacklingDummy]

4-12

[Mr. Pink]

Why can the Lions put a guy out there to play tonight that they literally signed off the street today to get a look see on him but the Bills didn't suit up Humber or Lewis tonight to get some game action looks at them?

[Ingtar33]

Remember a few years ago when Appalachian St. stunned Michigan in the opener at Michigan ?

They are up 13-3 right now at #9 Tenn with 8 minutes left in the half. SEC network. Locked on.

Appalachian St aren't no jokes.

[stuckincincy]

4-12

They will win their last game against NYJ like last season and drop several slots in the draft.

[Mace]

Got sidetracked with finding what I could make from a generic box of chicken stuffing. Can of corn, breakfast sausages, a few chicken fingers, some bacon bits all combined and I don't think it will make it to tomorrow morning, much like Sammy Seamster.

[Mace]

Rex saying some good stuff about Gronkowski at the half, maybe Felton moves along or they call Gronk a TE.

[Turf]

The 4th pre season game is just painful to watch.

[stuckincincy]

Rex saying some good stuff about Gronkowski at the half, maybe Felton moves along or they call Gronk a TE.

This must be the only club in the league that's having a FB battle. Sadly, they have to have one.


If Gronkowski lined up at TE, the last sighting of him would be him approaching orbital velocity as some DE launched him into the heavens.

[Mace]

Don't see any reason to keep Annen.

Wee Gronk is more h-back/te...partial fullback, partial te.

[Mace]

O'Leary's not getting any better either.

[YardRat]

Why can the Lions put a guy out there to play tonight that they literally signed off the street today to get a look see on him but the Bills didn't suit up Humber or Lewis tonight to get some game action looks at them?

I thought I saw Humber getting some snaps in the first half, but I could be wrong.

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241480]Don't see any reason to keep Annen.

Wee Gronk is more h-back/te...partial fullback, partial te.[/QUOTE

Do you like his pass catching skills?

[Mace]

I thought I saw Humber getting some snaps in the first half, but I could be wrong.

No idea. I heard his name a couple times, but the announcers were being chatty and using the word "alluded" a lot so my mind wandered to the stuffing.

[stuckincincy]

I thought I saw Humber getting some snaps in the first half, but I could be wrong.

You are not. He got credited with a tackle or an assist in the 1st half.

[Turf]

These ****ing PI calls against this team are just ludicrous over and over. It's like sick conspiracy to **** us.

[YardRat]

LOL...do we really have to get screwed by the refs every game, even in the preseason?

[Mace]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241480]Don't see any reason to keep Annen.

Wee Gronk is more h-back/te...partial fullback, partial te.[/QUOTE

Do you like his pass catching skills?

I thought I liked the combo as he came out of college, catching, running, blocking, more flexible and such, but I haven't seen him do much of any of them this preseason. Good play or two but everyone has them.

I was surprised Ryan mentioned him, but I probably dislike Annen, O'Leary and Felton enough by now for a fresh maybe more than that I'm sold on Gronkowski for much of anything.

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=stuckincincy;4241485]

I thought I liked the combo as he came out of college, catching, running, blocking, more flexible and such, but I haven't seen him do much of any of them this preseason. Good play or two but everyone has them.

I was surprised Ryan mentioned him, but I probably dislike Annen, O'Leary and Felton enough by now for a fresh maybe more than that I'm sold on Gronkowski for much of anything.

Fair enough. We have a thin crop to choose from.

[Mace]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241490]

Fair enough. We have a thin crop to choose from.

I never really understand why they don't line up promising linemen who need pro line weight and possess mobility, in front of a JUGS machine and use the ones who catch and run best as fullback or reserve TE.

[cookie G]

eh...I didn't like to see La.....re go down..he wasn't looking bad

[Mace]

eh...I didn't like to see La.....re go down..he wasn't looking bad

Oh no....

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=stuckincincy;4241491]

I never really understand why they don't line up promising linemen who need pro line weight and possess mobility, in front of a JUGS machine and use the ones who catch and run best as fullback or reserve TE.

We do see that time to time - OLs that check in as eligible receivers and snag a pass...sometime for a red zone TD. CIN did it several times with last year's 2nd rounder OT Jake Fisher - now one of CIN's many casualties.

It gave a flashy look to confuse the defensive assignments. He did catch 1 pass for 31 yards. Mostly decoy stuff - IIRC, CIN garnered some nifty run yardage off of those sets in 1st down drives. Very lucky for them...other times they tried it, Dalton was running for his life. The opposition quickly sniffed out the gimmick.
.

[Mace]

but I probably dislike Annen, O'Leary and Felton enough by now

Can almost guarantee someone I slam will step up, O'Leary looking much better.

[Mr. Pink]

Jones and O'Leary seem to have some chemistry.

[Mace]

Ouch.

[Mace]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241492]

We do see that time to time - OLs that check in as eligible receivers and snag a pass...sometime for a red zone TD. CIN did it several times with last year's 2nd rounder OT Jake Fisher - now one of CIN's many casualties.

It gave a flashy look to confuse the defensive assignments. He did catch 1 pass for 31 yards. Mostly decoy stuff - IIRC, CIN garnered some nifty run yardage off of those sets in 1st down drives. Very lucky for them...other times they tried it, Dalton was running for his life. The opposition quickly sniffed out the gimmick.
.

If you really think about it, who will block better, an undersized lineman with mobility or a full sized lineman with mobility ? I always found it hard to believe a lineman can't run or catch better than a pure FB who never does anyway and won't block as well. Plus, you're training a pulling lineman who knows more about blocking anyway by trade.

[stuckincincy]

Jones and O'Leary seem to have some chemistry.

24 to zip lead. I assume the Lion's DC is calling a prevent D of some sort. Who bothers to cover the TE when you play that?

BUF should be working passes to the wide outs, various patterns, to evaluate them and Jones.


:2cents:

[Mace]

Their scrubs are whaling the bejesus out of our scrubs !

Good thing I have beer and stuffing.

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=stuckincincy;4241495]

If you really think about it, who will block better, an undersized lineman with mobility or a full sized lineman with mobility ? I always found it hard to believe a lineman can't run or catch better than a pure FB who never does anyway and won't block as well. Plus, you're training a pulling lineman who knows more about blocking anyway by trade.

Sam Gash? Larry Centers?

[Mace]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241501]

Sam Gash? Larry Centers?

They were both gone 11 years ago. Go back farther and you find real fullbacks who ran, caught, and blocked successfully. Different game now.

[stuckincincy]

8th punt.

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=stuckincincy;4241505]

They were both gone 11 years ago. Go back farther and you find real fullbacks who ran, caught, and blocked successfully. Different game now.

So O'Leary is gonna be your cash cow?

[Mace]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241506]

So O'Leary is gonna be your cash cow?

You lost me. No, he just had some good catches after I said he was a bum. I'd probably keep both him and Gronkowski and boot Annen & Felton if they have to fill roster spots. If they cut either or all for fresh maybe's, I'll be fine with it.

[Mace]

[QUOTE=stuckincincy;4241505]

They were both gone 11 years ago. Go back farther and you find real fullbacks who ran, caught, and blocked successfully. Different game now.

So name a fullback who runs and catches regularly and hasn't been retired for 11 years ?

[Mace]

On to the real games !

[stuckincincy]

That we are kicking this around is a sad commentary on this team.

How is it possible to be skunked 31 to zilch in a preseason battle of the scrubs? Some rookie named J. Rudock flings 3 TD passes and Jones goes 12 for 26 pounding passes to a back-up TE.


Ay carumba! :teary:

[Mace]

That we are kicking this around is a sad commentary on this team. Eh?

Practice stuff is over, we'll have real stuff to kick around soon.

[stuckincincy]

Practice stuff is over, we'll have real stuff to kick around soon.

Yeah. Stockholm Syndrome.

[sahlensguy]

That we are kicking this around is a sad commentary on this team.

How is it possible to be skunked 31 to zilch in a preseason battle of the scrubs? Some rookie named J. Rudock flings 3 TD passes and Jones goes 12 for 26 pounding passes to a back-up TE.


Ay carumba! :teary:

Preperation, or considering our hc, the lack therof.

[Mace]

Preperation, or considering our hc, the lack therof.

Watch for us to trade a 7th next year for Rudock. "I remember what he did to us."

[Cleve]

I'm glad the pre-season is mostly meaningless, because this was ugly - blown out 31 to 0 by the Lions of all teams. EJ Manuele looked awful, the Rob Ryan defense seemed to be sleep walking, tackling was horrible and sloppy.

If the pre-season is supposed to be a 'tune up' for the regular season, in this game it looks like the Bills should skip the tune up - they need an engine rebuild.

[stuckincincy]

I'm glad the pre-season is mostly meaningless, because this was ugly - blown out 31 to 0 by the Lions of all teams. EJ Manuele looked awful, the Rob Ryan defense seemed to be sleep walking, tackling was horrible and sloppy.

If the pre-season is supposed to be a 'tune up' for the regular season, in this game it looks like the Bills should skip the tune up - they need an engine rebuild.

Good one! :drive:

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=Mace;4241506]

So name a fullback who runs and catches regularly and hasn't been retired for 11 years ?

You are missing the point. I know that era is over But the BUF staff seems to want to keep 2 FBs for blocking. I can see that. We see they have little OL depth and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they keep 2 FBs. They have been very quiet of what's going on with Glenn and their crazy guard, too.

[Oaf]

Our entire 2nd string OL, Cyrus notwithstanding, ought to be cut.

[Skooby]

Mercy kill, oye.

[stuckincincy]

Mercy kill, oye.

Harsh, but a good summation.

[gebobs]

Once again, the Bills will be extending preseason into October.