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OC Roman : College QBs 'not being trained' to thrive in NFL
OC Roman : College QBs 'not being trained' to thrive in NFL
It's just not as easy as it seems.
"Nobody can really figure out [if they can thrive in an NFL offense] until you get your hands on them, 'cause they're not being trained to do that," Roman told NFL.com's Mike Silver, who wrote an extensive feature on the challenges of the position. "They're being trained to win the next game in college so the college coach can keep his job."
Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator Greg Roman doesn't believe college quarterbacks from spread offenses are getting the necessary training to prepare them for the NFL.
College coaches prefer athletic option QB's who can win for the school. Don't blame them one bit.
But embrace the tank for the next great ready pro QB ! ( who doesn't exist )
That's the whole thing though. Some people stubbornly refuse to accept QB's don't come ready to Peyton right out of the box, think any QB can thrive in any offense, etc etc....
Re: OC Roman : College QBs 'not being trained' to thrive in NFL
The thing is, that's not even true.
Look at NFL offenses now, almost every team runs some version of a spread offense which is the exact offense that's run in the NCAA.
The whole option offense idea isn't even used by that many teams in college anymore and isn't used by the teams that are consistently top 10. Long gone are the days of Eric Crouch.
The only real difference between college and the pros now is the speed of the game.
Actually it is, and it goes much deeper than college coaches.
It's not true.
It's exactly why QBs can come into this league and light it on fire in their first season. They're playing in pretty much the exact systems they were playing in college and for the most part, unless their high school team is run heavy, the same system they played in high school.
Why do you think Winston and Mariotta looked good last year? They ran basically the same offense they ran in college.
The only adjustments these guys face in their rookie years is the speed difference. As their careers progress then the playbook expands, but they're still running a version of the spread offense.
Guys like Mariotta and Winston would have never even seen the field 25 years ago in their rookie year or would have looked completely lost trying to make the adjustment from the spread to the pro style offense. A guy like Antwaan Randle-El would have been a QB in today's NFL, not the WR that the Steelers turned him into.
It's exactly why QBs can come into this league and light it on fire in their first season. They're playing in pretty much the exact systems they were playing in college and for the most part, unless their high school team is run heavy, the same system they played in high school.
Why do you think Winston and Mariotta looked good last year? They ran basically the same offense they ran in college.
The only adjustments these guys face in their rookie years is the speed difference. As their careers progress then the playbook expands, but they're still running a version of the spread offense.
Guys like Mariotta and Winston would have never even seen the field 25 years ago in their rookie year or would have looked completely lost trying to make the adjustment from the spread to the pro style offense. A guy like Antwaan Randle-El would have been a QB in today's NFL, not the WR that the Steelers turned him into.
You're missing the point Roman is making and mine. QB's are not trained in the classic QB skills anymore (ex. how to stand in the pocket and make multiple pre-snap and post-snap reads) basically they are identified in youth ball as a good athlete and put at QB because they are able to make things happen and can throw the ball a little. Basic mechanics like release point, footwork, drop back, where to hold the ball, etc. are not taught because all coaches care about at nearly every level is having an athlete who can make plays happen and win games, not guys who can actually become good QB's.
I don't think Randle-El would of been a QB in today's NFL for the same reasons why guys like Nick Marshall, Denard Robinson, Julian Edelman, Michael Robinson, Brad Smith, Josh Cribbs, Matt Jones, Joe Webb, Braxton Miller, Terrell Pryor, and many others were/are not QB's in the league. For every Winston and Mariota you can name, I can name at least five spread guys who either didn't make it at all or had to switch positions.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
You're missing the point Roman is making and mine. QB's are not trained in the classic QB skills anymore (ex. how to stand in the pocket and make multiple pre-snap and post-snap reads) basically they are identified in youth ball as a good athlete and put at QB because they are able to make things happen and can throw the ball a little. Basic mechanics like release point, footwork, drop back, where to hold the ball, etc. are not taught because all coaches care about at nearly every level is having an athlete who can make plays happen and win games, not guys who can actually become good QB's.
I don't think Randle-El would of been a QB in today's NFL for the same reasons why guys like Nick Marshall, Denard Robinson, Julian Edelman, Michael Robinson, Brad Smith, Josh Cribbs, Matt Jones, Joe Webb, Braxton Miller, Terrell Pryor, and many others were/are not QB's in the league. For every Winston and Mariota you can name, I can name at least five spread guys who either didn't make it at all or had to switch positions.
Braxton Miller isn't a good example, Ohio State turned him into a WR because of their logjam at QB and the fact he missed a year due to injury. Denard Robinson is the same circumstance, Michigan transitioned away from him at QB, in his senior year, in favor of Gardner who was another spread QB. Your only real example of a guy that discredits my today's NFL comment is Nick Marshall. Other guys like Matt Jones, Brad Smith, Michael Robinson, Josh Cribbs were all transitioned by the old guard mentality the league had 10 years+ ago plus. I guess you can take Terrelle Pryor too but he was originally a QB in the NFL and he wasn't a total dumpster fire at the position. He was certainly better than Matt Flynn and Matt McGloin.
As for the athletes who can make plays and win games, that's the majority of the NFL coaches opinion now too. Ironically enough, the comments coming from Roman when he's coached Kaepernick and Taylor as his QBs who are the epitome of exactly what he's preaching against.
Go down NFL rosters of each team...the pocket passer is all but dead now. Even the Patriots with Tom Brady run a spread offense not that he's a prototype of a spread QB, but that's their offense.
Braxton Miller isn't a good example, Ohio State turned him into a WR because of their logjam at QB and the fact he missed a year due to injury. Denard Robinson is the same circumstance, Michigan transitioned away from him at QB, in his senior year, in favor of Gardner who was another spread QB. Your only real example of a guy that discredits my today's NFL comment is Nick Marshall. Other guys like Matt Jones, Brad Smith, Michael Robinson, Josh Cribbs were all transitioned by the old guard mentality the league had 10 years+ ago plus. I guess you can take Terrelle Pryor too but he was originally a QB in the NFL and he wasn't a total dumpster fire at the position. He was certainly better than Matt Flynn and Matt McGloin.
As for the athletes who can make plays and win games, that's the majority of the NFL coaches opinion now too. Ironically enough, the comments coming from Roman when he's coached Kaepernick and Taylor as his QBs who are the epitome of exactly what he's preaching against.
Go down NFL rosters of each team...the pocket passer is all but dead now. Even the Patriots with Tom Brady run a spread offense not that he's a prototype of a spread QB, but that's their offense.
You made the claim that guys like Randle-El would be QB's in today's NFL system, but now you want to pick and choose who gets to fit that narrative? All the guys I named were spread QB's (aside from Robinson) were they not? How about Blake Bell and Randall Cobb? Hell even Devin Gardner had to switch positions as he entered the NFL.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
You made the claim that guys like Randle-El would be QB's in today's NFL system, but now you want to pick and choose who gets to fit that narrative? All the guys I named were spread QB's (aside from Robinson) were they not? How about Blake Bell and Randall Cobb? Hell even Devin Gardner had to switch positions as he entered the NFL.
Guys that entered the league 10+ years ago, isn't today, is it?
As I said the only guy on your list that fits your point of today's NFL is Nick Marshall.
It doesn't count when you pick a guy like Josh Cribbs the powers that be decided he wasn't a QB back in 2005.
And look at what that did for Gardner? Nothing, he's simply not an NFL talent level player. FWIW, the Steelers when they signed him had him lining up at QB during practices before releasing him. And apparently he's currently a QB in some Japanese Football League.
Not that Randle El would have made it at the NFL level as a QB but he would have been given the chance at doing so.
Hell if Cam Newton was 10 years older, he likely would have never been an NFL QB.
So unless you're making the case that the early 2000s and Todays NFL is the same, how am I picking and choosing?
Guys that entered the league 10+ years ago, isn't today, is it?
As I said the only guy on your list that fits your point of today's NFL is Nick Marshall.
That's crap.
It doesn't count when you pick a guy like Josh Cribbs the powers that be decided he wasn't a QB back in 2005.
Yes, upon league entry. He was a QB all four years at Kent State.
And look at what that did for Gardner? Nothing, he's simply not an NFL talent level player. FWIW, the Steelers when they signed him had him lining up at QB during practices before releasing him. And apparently he's currently a QB in some Japanese Football League.
Ok...that has nothing to do with the discussion.
Not that Randle El would have made it at the NFL level as a QB but he would have been given the chance at doing so.
That's an assumption without basis.
Hell if Cam Newton was 10 years older, he likely would have never been an NFL QB.
I know Mack Brown agrees with you, but I don't think that's the case. You forget about Daunte Culpepper already?
So unless you're making the case that the early 2000s and Todays NFL is the same, how am I picking and choosing?
I'm not saying the same, but similar.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
Re: OC Roman : College QBs 'not being trained' to thrive in NFL
I think the biggest issue is not use to being under center, most college teams now run the read option while very few Pro teams run it. its just a matter of time before we see more nfl team's run the read option.
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