Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

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  • Mahdi
    Registered User
    • Mar 2004
    • 10585

    Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

    Based on the season thus far, and assuming that what you see is what you get with Tyrod, do the Bills pickup his option for 2017?


    At this point this is what I see from Tyrod:

    Bad --

    1. average/below average short to intermediate accuracy.
    2. Poor pocket presence - ability to feel the pocket and maneuver subtly within in it is not there yet
    3. Footwork is very inconsistent
    4. Cannot throw players open - needs to see large windows in order to trust the throw
    5. When throwing over the middle he consistently forces receivers to stop their momentum rather than leading them with throws in order to get more YAC
    6. Often locks on to first read and does not come off it
    7. Has a general tendency to avoid intermediate middle of the field

    Good --

    1. Typically a great deep ball thrower
    2. Maybe the fastest and most elusive QB since Michael Vick
    3. Can make big plays down field when the pocket breaks down and needs to improvise
    4. Has decent touch on short throws to RBs out of the backfield.
    5. Opens up the run game for RBs with the threat of designed QB runs to the backside
    6. Has been dangerous running the option pitch
    7. Good leader, great demeanor

    Based on this, it would be extremely difficult decision as whether to give Taylor the extension. From a passing game perspective he is clearly holding the offense back. From a running game perspective he provides the Bills with a player that can run like McCoy or take enough attention away from McCoy that he shreds opposing Ds.

    The question is then; Is that type of offense enough to make the Bills a contender?
  • Pinkerton Security
    Pinkerton's son
    • Feb 2006
    • 6003

    #2
    Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

    If they can consistently run the ball well, he can be an upper level "game manager" to me - his scrambling ability compensates for his lack of pocket presence enough that big running plays can compensate for some negative plays.

    Does this make him a "franchise" qb? Lets say this, I think he fits our playing style better than about half of the starting QBs in the league IMO
    Last edited by Pinkerton Security; 10-17-2016, 08:09 AM.

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    • Novacane
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 42348

      #3
      Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

      No

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      • Mahdi
        Registered User
        • Mar 2004
        • 10585

        #4
        Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

        Originally posted by Pinkerton Security View Post
        If they can consistently run the ball well, he can be an upper level "game manager" to me - his scrambling ability compensates for his lack of pocket presence enough that big running plays can negate some negative plays.

        Does this make him a "franchise" qb? Lets say this, I think he fits our playing style better than about half of the starting QBs in the league IMO
        Ok but just asking a fair question, if we had a Derek Carr for example, would the threat of a dangerous passing game not improve our offense on the whole and give us more long-term success?

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        • Forward_Lateral
          Registered User
          • Mar 2004
          • 29895

          #5
          Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

          No.

          He's a playmaker, yes. He makes some amazing, unbelievable plays, but sooner or later, he's going to have to improve his passing game in order to take the next step.

          He's done an amazing job at protecting the football, and not making boneheaded throws. He's made chicken salad out of chicken poop on several occasions. But, he seems to be a one read, then take off with it kind of QB, which won't work for long term NFL success. He did make a few 2nd and 3rd read throws yesterday, which was nice, but he needs to do more of that.

          That being said, The Bills could be A LOT worse off at the position. Kaep looked absolutely horrible out there yesterday. If we had to watch a season of that, I'd probably barf.

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          • BillsOwnAll
            My IQ Test results came back negative
            • Oct 2002
            • 5502

            #6
            Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

            he might not be the best QB in the NFL, but people forget what well end up with if we dont extend him.

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            • Pinkerton Security
              Pinkerton's son
              • Feb 2006
              • 6003

              #7
              Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

              Originally posted by Mahdi View Post
              Ok but just asking a fair question, if we had a Derek Carr for example, would the threat of a dangerous passing game not improve our offense on the whole and give us more long-term success?
              Is Derek Carr that much more dangerous as a passer than Tyrod? I personally dont think so. Carr is no doubt a better pure passer but to me he isnt anything other than solid, and Tyrod is a rung below him in passing ability but he makes it up in playmaking ability.

              Long term success is another thing - Tyrod sometimes needs to get rid of the ball instead of trying to string out scrambles for a 1 yard gain and taking a big hit. He has a solid build for a smaller guy but hes still not very big and I have my doubts about his ability to stay healthy enough to maintain his scrambling ability, which is his best asset.

              To answer your question more directly, I dont think we'd be a better team with Carr, perhaps marginally but I dont see it personally.
              Last edited by Pinkerton Security; 10-17-2016, 08:43 AM.

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              • SpikedLemonade
                • Jun 2024

                #8
                Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                NO

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                • Mahdi
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 10585

                  #9
                  Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                  Originally posted by Pinkerton Security View Post
                  Is Derek Carr that much more dangerous as a passer than Tyrod? I personally dont think so. Carr is no doubt a better pure passer but to me he isnt anything other than solid, and Tyrod is a rung below him in passing ability but he makes it up in playmaking ability.

                  Long term success is another thing - Tyrod sometimes needs to get rid of the ball instead of trying to string out scrambles for a 1 yard gain and taking a big hit. He has a solid build for a smaller guy but hes still not very big and I have my doubts about his ability to stay healthy enough to maintain his scrambling ability, which is his best asset.

                  To answer your question more directly, I dont think we'd be a better team with Carr, perhaps marginally but I dont see it personally.
                  I don't know how much you have seen of Derek Carr but he is way ahead of Taylor as a passer. He can threaten every part of the football field and has pretty good accuracy. On top of that he has shown many times that he can carry a team with his arm having won many games in the 4th quarter for the Raiders in obvious passing situations.

                  IMO if we had Carr with our current personnel our offense would be dangerous on every possession and we would have a much better shot at making, and winning in the playoffs.

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                  • Mahdi
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 10585

                    #10
                    Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                    Originally posted by BillsOwnAll View Post
                    he might not be the best QB in the NFL, but people forget what well end up with if we dont extend him.
                    I agree with this, we don't know what we would end up with at QB if we don't keep Tyrod. But does that mean the Bills should settle for a QB if they KNOW he has limitations that inhibit them from being a contending team?

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                    • Pinkerton Security
                      Pinkerton's son
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 6003

                      #11
                      Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                      Originally posted by Mahdi View Post
                      I don't know how much you have seen of Derek Carr but he is way ahead of Taylor as a passer. He can threaten every part of the football field and has pretty good accuracy. On top of that he has shown many times that he can carry a team with his arm having won many games in the 4th quarter for the Raiders in obvious passing situations.

                      IMO if we had Carr with our current personnel our offense would be dangerous on every possession and we would have a much better shot at making, and winning in the playoffs.
                      Fair enough, I personally think he is a bit overrated but hes prob a better overall QB than Tyrod.

                      One COULD argue that Crabtree and Amari make him look good - I doubt Robert Woods, Goodwin, Clay, etc as passing options (right now thats what we have) could hold the jocks of Amari and Crabs

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                      • chris66
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 604

                        #12
                        Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                        How old is tt. If he loses a step he becomes a very different qb.

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                        • Mahdi
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 10585

                          #13
                          Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                          Originally posted by Pinkerton Security View Post
                          Fair enough, I personally think he is a bit overrated but hes prob a better overall QB than Tyrod.

                          One COULD argue that Crabtree and Amari make him look good - I doubt Robert Woods, Goodwin, Clay, etc as passing options (right now thats what we have) could hold the jocks of Amari and Crabs
                          Amari and Crabtree of course are top quality WRs but if you see the placement Carr has been putting on some of his throws to these guys it's pretty impressive.

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                          • psubills62
                            Legendary Zoner
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 11295

                            #14
                            Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                            No. To me a franchise QB is someone you can put on a team and build the entire team around them. At this point I see Tyrod as a solid QB who is a solid fit for what Buffalo is doing.

                            I don't think he's worth 20 million or whatever that option is. But my main question is how much of a dropoff is it to the next QB? No idea who we'd get, but I have a feeling it might be a bigger dropoff than many think.
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                            • dog14787
                              Registered User
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 1701

                              #15
                              Re: Is Tyrod a Franchise QB?

                              Yes, and the people discounting Taylors passing abilities need to realize Buffalo is built to run the football and have the best rushing attack in the league.

                              A good portion of the throws Taylor made in the 49ers game the typical pocket QB gets sacked for a loss.

                              Franchise QB is what fits the team best and Tyrod Taylor fits the Bill.

                              The coaches believe Taylors the guy and the players believe Taylors the guy.

                              Tyrod Taylor is the Bills franchise QB now as long as Rex Ryan is HC IMO.

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