DC's McDermott (Carolina) & Richard (Seattle) - Favorites for HC ?

[Night Train]

That's what I heard today. Pegula is impressed by both. Whaley wants Lynn and isn't happy.

We shall see. My people are pretty solid and work at OBD. Not etched in stone, so take it at face value.

Discuss my nonsense for giggles..

[YardRat]

Whaley shouldn't be happy if Pegula gave him the wheel and has decided to make the final call instead.

[Night Train]

Whaley shouldn't be happy if Pegula gave him the wheel and has decided to make the final call instead.

Pegs asked Whaley to line up the candidates but he would make the selection.

I still think Whaley is a glorified scout.

[Turf]

Whaley does what his boss says, he doesn't think about it and it doesn't affect him, he just does his job moving forward. He doesn't even ask why the head coach was chosen. He just gets to work.

The above satire being said, I think Lynn is a huge mistake, so if figures Whaley likes him.

[Mace]

Pegs asked Whaley to line up the candidates but he would make the selection.

I still think Whaley is a glorified scout.

I think you're right. The other thing floating around is that Pegulas plan on giving their new coach more power. So I mean you don't have a "GM" hiring his own boss.

[DraftBoy]

Good, I like both candidates so I'd be happy either way.

[Mr. Pink]

Maybe that will get Whaley to quit and we can get a real GM.

[Mace]

Maybe that will get Whaley to quit and we can get a real GM.

Nah, he's got a good gig not doing or knowing anything without his bosses caring about it.

[Lone Stranger]

Good, I like both candidates so I'd be happy either way.
I agree.

[DraftBoy]

I think you're right. The other thing floating around is that Pegulas plan on giving their new coach more power. So I mean you don't have a "GM" hiring his own boss.

Per WGR (Coach Sal) the "new power" is basically just complete control over the hiring/firing the coaching staff and support staff. Whaley will retain full control over the 53 man roster.

[Mace]

Per WGR (Coach Sal) the "new power" is basically just complete control over the hiring/firing the coaching staff and support staff.

That seems a little peculiar though, doesn't it ? A coach usually has that anyway, find it hard to believe Ryan didn't. Never saw any sign Whaley did.

[DraftBoy]

That seems a little peculiar though, doesn't it ? A coach usually has that anyway, find it hard to believe Ryan didn't. Never saw any sign Whaley did.

Yea it does, I just can't figure out if its real or just face saving leak.

[YardRat]

I think you're right. The other thing floating around is that Pegulas plan on giving their new coach more power. So I mean you don't have a "GM" hiring his own boss.


Per WGR (Coach Sal) the "new power" is basically just complete control over the hiring/firing the coaching staff and support staff. Whaley will retain full control over the 53 man roster.

Per local sports on NBC affiliate Channel 2 McDermott wasn't thrilled with the structure and it could be a sticking point for him.

[YardRat]

Pegs asked Whaley to line up the candidates but he would make the selection.

I still think Whaley is a glorified scout.

So 'heading the search' should be taken more literally than most of us did?

[DraftBoy]

Per local sports on NBC affiliate Channel 2 McDermott wasn't thrilled with the structure and it could be a sticking point for him.

Yay...

[Ed]

Per local sports on NBC affiliate Channel 2 McDermott wasn't thrilled with the structure and it could be a sticking point for him.
I guess that's not surprising at all. If you're McDermott and the GM doesn't really want you there, why take the job? I would think in your first HC gig you would want/need the GM to be 100% behind you or you're just sabotaging your first HC opportunity. This is dumb. Pegula needs to just let Whaley make the call.

[Mace]

Per local sports on NBC affiliate Channel 2 McDermott wasn't thrilled with the structure and it could be a sticking point for him.

I suppose I could see why that could be a problem for experienced coaches who worked within normal organizations. Hard to comprehend Pegula isn't smartening up to this.

[Mace]

Yea it does, I just can't figure out if its real or just face saving leak.

It wouldn't really be face saving though. It would essentially be like telling a head coach prospect he would even get to be the head coach, with a " !!!".

[justasportsfan]

I worry that these two might be the next McDaniels in Denvef. Too early too soon. In over their heads as headcoaches.

[sudzy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sean-mcdermott-leading-pack-buffalo-172133314.html


He knows what it takes to run a defense and should he bring in Mike McCoy (http://sports.yahoo.com/pga/players/13993/) as his offensive coordinator as the rumors would suggest, then the offense would also be placed in stable hands.

[Turf]

Yeah I like McDermott right now, def more than Lynn.

[Mace]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sean-mcdermott-leading-pack-buffalo-172133314.html

Almost have no doubt we won't get him, but I like that combination.

I'm expecting Harold Goodwin with his DC Jim Haslett, which is not good, they'll go to a vertical offense we aren't equipped for and play a lot of deep zone/prevent defense using db's we don't have either.

[djjimkelly]

Yeah I like McDermott right now, def more than Lynn.

i dont care who it is as long as it isnt lynn

[The Jokeman]

Richard impresses me the more and more study him. McDermott has a better resume of the two though.

[Mahdi]

Anthony Lynn for me is the right man for the job. Not the flashiest hire, but for the players we have and our situation at QB and the strengths of our team, Lynn for me is the right HC.

Combined with the rumors that he would bring Gus Bradley in as DC, that for me is the way to go. You get Richard's defense and we maintain continuity on offense.

[k-oneputt]

i dont care who it is as long as it isnt lynn

I'm with you, I'm not big on Lynn but I would be surprised if it wasn't him. It appears he is definitely Whaleys guy.

[The Jokeman]

Almost have no doubt we won't get him, but I like that combination.

I'm expecting Harold Goodwin with his DC Jim Haslett, which is not good, they'll go to a vertical offense we aren't equipped for and play a lot of deep zone/prevent defense using db's we don't have either.

This might be the worst possible scenario.

[swiper]

This might be the worst possible scenario.

I always liked Haslett. Mostly from his playing days I guess. As a DC, his defenses tend to be ok, but not great.

I like the sound of McDermott & McCoy a lot better. These guys have been around the league for a while and have enjoyed some success at least. They seem like good coaches each on their side of the ball.

[The Jokeman]

I always liked Haslett. Mostly from his playing days I guess. As a DC, his defenses tend to be ok, but not great.

I like the sound of McDermott & McCoy a lot better. These guys have been around the league for a while and have enjoyed some success at least. They seem like good coaches each on their side of the ball.

I liked Haslett as a player but as DC meh. He's a 3-4 guy which ideally I don't want it.

[jamze132]

I still can't believe any outsider would seriously entertain the gig. OBD is a mess.

[Pinkerton Security]

I worry that these two might be the next McDaniels in Denvef. Too early too soon. In over their heads as headcoaches.

Still better than Lynn, IMO. Lynn began the season as an RB coach, so I'd be happy with either one over Lynn, particularly Richard coming from a winning program in Seattle. Would really be excited about the possibilities of him with our D.

[bob86]

I am not sure what this means other than MCDemott is not close to being hired

John Wawrow ‏@john_wawrow (https://twitter.com/john_wawrow)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 8m8 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/john_wawrow/status/818830656029519872)</small>
All I know is #Bills (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash) have yet to reach back out to Sean McDermott.

[Buffalogic]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sean-mcdermott-leading-pack-buffalo-172133314.html
I would be thrilled with this. If you don't watch the chargers, they have some beautifully designed plays that jump off the screen. Mcdermott/McCoy would be an excellent duo.

[sukie]

Per local sports on NBC affiliate Channel 2 McDermott wasn't thrilled with the structure and it could be a sticking point for him.

Perhaps Pegs needs to hear "no" a bunch of times then he can get that "Whaley" polyp removed from his sigmoid colon.

[swiper]

McDermott interviewing with 49ers today.

[Mace]

I am not sure what this means other than MCDemott is not close to being hired

John Wawrow ‏@john_wawrow (https://twitter.com/john_wawrow)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 8m8 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/john_wawrow/status/818830656029519872)</small>
All I know is #Bills (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash) have yet to reach back out to Sean McDermott.


It's probably not a good sign for hiring McDermott.

[Mace]

Richard impresses me the more and more study him. McDermott has a better resume of the two though.

A big plus about Kris Richard is that Seattle plays an aggressive man based defense (McDermott is zone based). The two things that worry me is that Richard has never called plays as DC, and Seattle has awful talented personnel for their system which kept thriving through Bradley, Quinn and now Richard. Hard to really know what his stamp on it is.

I'd guess that his time for best HC opportunities is still ahead.

[YardRat]

Still better than Lynn, IMO. Lynn began the season as an RB coach, so I'd be happy with either one over Lynn, particularly Richard coming from a winning program in Seattle. Would really be excited about the possibilities of him with our D.

So what exactly is the big negative with going from RB coach to Head Coach?

[Mace]

So what exactly is the big negative with going from RB coach to Head Coach?

Ooof, are you serious ?

[justasportsfan]

Still better than Lynn, IMO. Lynn began the season as an RB coach, so I'd be happy with either one over Lynn, particularly Richard coming from a winning program in Seattle. Would really be excited about the possibilities of him with our D.

Not sure about Richard. Who are his assistants. Lynn already has familiarity with the players and possibly Bradley. McDaniels came from a winning team too.Id lean towards Mcdermott, then Lynn and Richard last

[Mace]

Not sure about Richard. Who are his assistants. Lynn already has familiarity with the players and possibly Bradley. McDaniels came from a winning team too.Id lean towards Mcdermott, then Lynn and Richard last

This is just an awful small field of potential for a coaching search imho.

[YardRat]

Ooof, are you serious ?

Yes.

Mike Tomlin was the defensive backs coach for Tampa in 2005.
Defensive coordinator for Minnesota for one season (2006).
Hired as Head Coach of Pittsburgh starting in 2007.

Lynn was RB coach...OC for basically one season (14 games, technically).

What's the big negative? Why can't a position coach be a good head coach without being a coordinator for an extended period of time first?

Just for clarity, I'm not stumping for Lynn for the position, just curious why so many believe it's an implausible path.

A good head coach doesn't necessarily run one side of the ball, or even help run one side...he hires good coordinators to do that.

[Mace]

Yes.

Mike Tomlin was the defensive backs coach for Tampa in 2005.
Defensive coordinator for Minnesota for one season (2006).
Hired as Head Coach of Pittsburgh starting in 2007.

Lynn was RB coach...OC for basically one season (14 games, technically).

What's the big negative? Why can't a position coach be a good head coach without being a coordinator for an extended period of time first?

Just for clarity, I'm not stumping for Lynn for the position, just curious why so many believe it's an implausible path.

A good head coach doesn't necessarily run one side of the ball, or even help run one side...he hires good coordinators to do that.

Well, first of all it's a Rex Ryan path, with Rex Ryan supporting staff, in Rex Ryan desired systems.

Second, he's got 13 games of play calling offense experience now, in, well, a system Greg Roman built. That's a wee volume of work which tells you little of what he wants in a system. Granted he was more creative at times, tried to pass, used pass to set up run nicely, but he's never worked with QB's which leads to ...

Three, he has no expansive experience and will be reliant on position coaches. You don't even, at this point know if those are Ryan's carryovers brought over from the Jets like Lal and Wildcat Lee. Lack of expansive experience leads to....

Four, he head coached for one game and the players who said they loved him showed it not at all as a statement for keeping him. Let's face it, most of them know him as the RB's coach who seems ok with the RB's.

The guys who work on the boiler here, often refer to the old owner of the boiler repair company's book. If something ever happened to a boiler, John knows it, it's in his book. Over the past couple years of dealing with them, I've seen some guys learn much and grow, making their own book, learning from John's. Some guys have not grown, they just rely on John.

Sure, you can find the odd prodigy once in a while, in anything, but it's rare, experience is a good measure through careers. Lynn has been well, an RB coach, he'll know RB's certainly, but there's a much more expansive roster of positions to coordinate and guide.

I'd feel better about Lynn, had he spent much time as an OC, you'd have his philosophy, and record of achievement. But he's always served under guys and their philosophies as a position coach. He's got no real record of Lynn. Maybe he's a prodigy, sure. I'm just not real confident of it. His experience is pretty limited.

Tomlin had a pretty established roster, in a pretty well established organization, with an established philosophy based on obvious talent. He's also had coordinators which allowed him to not have to micromanage, Lebeau, Haley, Arians.

Lynn has a limited range of experience. Not his fault, his career is still young. But until this year he's always been just a position coach. One position.

[jimmifli]

It's probably not a good sign for hiring McDermott.

Rumour is they picked him after 9ers interview and are negotiating now.

I'd be OK with a Mc/Mc combo. And if there is any truth to the Brees rumour, I'd... I mean... yeah it's bull****, nevermind, but it's fun to imagine.

[Mace]

Rumour is they picked him after 9ers interview and are negotiating now.

I'd be OK with a Mc/Mc combo. And if there is any truth to the Brees rumour, I'd... I mean... yeah it's bull****, nevermind, but it's fun to imagine.

Sometimes rumors are the best medicine for a while.

[jimmifli]

Sometimes rumors are the best medicine for a while.

Brees to Watkins.... it's like my:

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[madness]

@jasonlacanfora
Hearing the Pegulas continue to be very intrigued by Sean McDermott. May well be the Bills next head coach

[madness]

Vic Carucci ‏@viccarucci (https://twitter.com/viccarucci)26s26 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/viccarucci/status/819004570621906946)
#Bills (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash) are zeroed in on Sean McDermott as their next HC. Could have something finalized in the next day or so.

[jimmifli]

McDermott at HC With McCoy as OC, any guesses on the DC?

That's better than I thought it was going to be a few days ago.

[Mace]

Vic Carucci ‏@viccarucci (https://twitter.com/viccarucci)26s26 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/viccarucci/status/819004570621906946)
#Bills (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash) are zeroed in on Sean McDermott as their next HC. Could have something finalized in the next day or so.


I think I feel a little better about the futility.

[Mace]

Sal Capaccio (https://twitter.com/SalSports) ‏<s>@</s>SalSports (https://twitter.com/SalSports) <small class="time"> 20m20 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SalSports/status/819009524036157442) </small>
If Sean McDermott is new Bills HC, and it appears things are headed that way at the moment, keep hearing Mike McCoy could join him as OC.

https://twitter.com/SalSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[jimmifli]

https://twitter.com/SalSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And Sean Payton gets traded, and Nawlins goes full rebuild...

[Mace]

And Sean Payton gets traded, and Nawlins goes full rebuild...

It's a night to dream of better maybes.

[DraftBoy]

Wonder if McDermott would look at a guy like Horton to come in and run his D scheme.

[Mace]

Wonder if McDermott would look at a guy like Horton to come in and run his D scheme.

Thought about that. Hard to hold Cleveland against Horton at this point, just imho.

[DraftBoy]

Thought about that. Hard to hold Cleveland against Horton at this point, just imho.

Plus he's a scheme versatile DC. He's run 34, 43, 52, 44, and 46 concepts.

[The Jokeman]

Wonder if McDermott would look at a guy like Horton to come in and run his D scheme.

It's hard to guess as he brought no one from Philly to Carolina. I have no clue but in reviewing his staffs in Carolina and Philly one name came up that at least has some DC experience albeit at the college level in Bill Shuey.

[Turf]

Brees to Watkins.... it's like my:

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Throw Mike Williams in there you might have something.

[DraftBoy]

It's hard to guess as he brought no one from Philly to Carolina. I have no clue but in reviewing his staffs in Carolina and Philly one name came up that at least has some DC experience albeit at the college level in Bill Shuey.

Sounds like there is a pretty good connection between McDermott and John Butler the DB Coach in Houston. Butler worked for O'Brien at Penn State as well and is credited for the development of AJ Bouye who was 12th in the league this year with 17 pass deflections, tied with Gilmore. Bouye also happens to be a Free Agent this offseason.

[Ed]

Carucci is reporting that McDermot is in Florida today at the pegulas house finalizing a 5 year contract. Sounds like it's pretty much a done deal. Welcome to Buffalo.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Carucci is reporting that McDermot is in Florida today at the pegulas house finalizing a 5 year contract. Sounds like it's pretty much a done deal. Welcome to Buffalo.
How will we screw this one up?

[justasportsfan]

Carucci is reporting that McDermot is in Florida today at the pegulas house finalizing a 5 year contract. Sounds like it's pretty much a done deal. Welcome to Buffalo.

its not over unless they're in the hot tub

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

So know we have figured out who we are firing in 3 years who's gonna be coaching in 2020?

[WagonCircler]

It's a night to dream of better maybes.

You need to trademark that.

[YardRat]

Well, first of all it's a Rex Ryan path, with Rex Ryan supporting staff, in Rex Ryan desired systems.

Second, he's got 13 games of play calling offense experience now, in, well, a system Greg Roman built. That's a wee volume of work which tells you little of what he wants in a system. Granted he was more creative at times, tried to pass, used pass to set up run nicely, but he's never worked with QB's which leads to ...

Three, he has no expansive experience and will be reliant on position coaches. You don't even, at this point know if those are Ryan's carryovers brought over from the Jets like Lal and Wildcat Lee. Lack of expansive experience leads to....

Four, he head coached for one game and the players who said they loved him showed it not at all as a statement for keeping him. Let's face it, most of them know him as the RB's coach who seems ok with the RB's.

The guys who work on the boiler here, often refer to the old owner of the boiler repair company's book. If something ever happened to a boiler, John knows it, it's in his book. Over the past couple years of dealing with them, I've seen some guys learn much and grow, making their own book, learning from John's. Some guys have not grown, they just rely on John.

Sure, you can find the odd prodigy once in a while, in anything, but it's rare, experience is a good measure through careers. Lynn has been well, an RB coach, he'll know RB's certainly, but there's a much more expansive roster of positions to coordinate and guide.

I'd feel better about Lynn, had he spent much time as an OC, you'd have his philosophy, and record of achievement. But he's always served under guys and their philosophies as a position coach. He's got no real record of Lynn. Maybe he's a prodigy, sure. I'm just not real confident of it. His experience is pretty limited.

Tomlin had a pretty established roster, in a pretty well established organization, with an established philosophy based on obvious talent. He's also had coordinators which allowed him to not have to micromanage, Lebeau, Haley, Arians.

Lynn has a limited range of experience. Not his fault, his career is still young. But until this year he's always been just a position coach. One position.
Fair points, and I admit I completely overlooked the boiler guy's opinion.

FWIW, Denver hired Vance Joseph today, who was a DB coach in 2015 and served one season as a DC in Miami in 2016.

[Mace]

You need to trademark that.

That was yesterday, today is a day to remember a night dreaming of better maybes.

[Mace]

Fair points, and I admit I completely overlooked the boiler guy's opinion.

FWIW, Denver hired Vance Joseph today, who was a DB coach in 2015 and served one season as a DC in Miami in 2016.

Never overlook the boiler guys opinion, it's experience was my point.

From reading about it, the thought is that Denver can Tomlin him by possibly coaxing Wade back and giving him McCoy so he doesn't need worry about units but can focus on big picture. Far be it for me to doubt Elway but I thought it was an odd hire.