Bills hire Leslie Frazier as Defensive Coordinator

[Dr. Lecter]

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[Mace]

Oh no.

[Jaybird]

Our head coach will have big influence on the D and will make sure his more aggressive system will be in place. I don't foresee straight forward Tampa 2

[Mace]

Our head coach will have big influence on the D and will make sure his more aggressive system will be in place. I don't foresee straight forward Tampa 2

Good luck on that.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Leslie Frazier is a brilliant, brilliant man. Simply the best, believe me when you see him coach you will piss your bed. An amazing yellow stream of brilliant coaching. Ok?

[Mr. Pink]

Bring back Dick Jauron!

[Mace]

Bring back Dick Jauron!

We just did.

[Mr. Pink]

We just did.

I don't mind the Tampa 2 too much...if your secondary is weak, it helps hide their deficiency and forces teams to nickle and dime their way downfield without making any mistakes.

Well, our secondary is likely gonna be quite suspect next year, so it's not a bad choice.

[Mace]

I don't mind the Tampa 2 too much...if your secondary is weak, it helps hide their deficiency and forces teams to nickle and dime their way downfield without making any mistakes.

Well, our secondary is likely gonna be quite suspect next year, so it's not a bad choice.

You might not mind it but it's obsolete junk and no one runs it any more. It's a horrible choice because it's secondary based and you just noted ours is quite suspect. You also need wee, slight lb's we don't have that swarm to the ball, can't defense the rush (because your linemen are penetrating), give up yards by the bushel and stop TE's even worse in the seam than we have since Jauron couldn't.

The best remaining proponents of it, Fewell and Frazier are just DB coaches.

Oh this is bad.

[BertSquirtgum]

I think it's a good hire. :bf1:

[Dr. Lecter]

Oh no.

Racist

[Turf]

Knowing this I doubt McDermott is going to let Frazier run a defense he doesn't back.

[Mace]

Knowing this I doubt McDermott is going to let Frazier run a defense he doesn't back.

Then why did he hire him, to not run a defense so McDermott can spend more time on it to not let his DC run the only scheme he has ever known ?

Argh.

McDermott wants Tampa-2.

[justasportsfan]

I hope this doesn't become a conservative play not to lose defense

Hopefully its McDermotts D who was compared to Schwartzs D.

[jpdex12]

You might not mind it but it's obsolete junk and no one runs it any more. It's a horrible choice because it's secondary based and you just noted ours is quite suspect. You also need wee, slight lb's we don't have that swarm to the ball, can't defense the rush (because your linemen are penetrating), give up yards by the bushel and stop TE's even worse in the seam than we have since Jauron couldn't.

The best remaining proponents of it, Fewell and Frazier are just DB coaches.

Oh this is bad.
How much different is this defense than Schwartz's defense? You getting your panties in a bind over a 4-3 Defense that we had a few years ago?

[Mace]

How much different is this defense than Schwartz's defense? You getting your panties in a bind over a 4-3 Defense that we had a few years ago?

Try comparing Schwartz's defense to Jauron's bendy one and get back to me. Schwartz was NOT Tampa-2. We last had this defense in 2009, you know who else does now ? No one. Consider your own panties.

[BillsImpossible]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Frazier

Frazier was a part of the 1985 Chicago Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Chicago_Bears_season) team that won Super Bowl XX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XX). During the 1985 championship season, Frazier led the team with six interceptions. His career was cut short due to a knee injury he suffered returning a punt in the second quarter of the Super Bowl. He was also a member of the "G Crew" in the video: The Super Bowl Shuffle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_Shuffle).

In 1999 Frazier joined first time head coach Andy Reid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Reid) as defensive backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles). It was there that Frazier worked as a fellow assistant with the Vikings future head coach, Brad Childress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Childress). The Eagles defense improved steadily in the four years that Frazier was there.
He was defensive coordinator of the Cincinnati Bengals from 2003 to 2004 where he helped turn the unit into a group that increased takeaways from 24 in 2003 to 36 in 2004. The Bengals' 36 takeaways ranked third in the NFL in 2004. The 2004 Bengals notched 20 interceptions, the most since 1996. The Bengals' defense improved from 28th in the league in total yards allowed in 2003 to 19th in 2004, and declined in the two years following his dismissal.
In 2005, Frazier was hired by Tony Dungy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dungy) as a defensive assistant for the Indianapolis Colts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts), receiving the title of special assistant to the head coach as well as defensive backs coach. He was specifically brought in by Dungy to help the Colts' young corps of defensive backs. During his time in Indianapolis the Colts passing defense improved from 15th in 2005 to second in 2006. On February 4, 2007 the Colts beat Frazier's former team, the Chicago Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bears), in Super Bowl XLI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLI). Four days later, on February 8, 2007, he became the defensive coordinator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_coordinator) for the Minnesota Vikings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings) following the hiring of Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tomlin) by thePittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers) as their head coach.

[Mace]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Frazier

Frazier was a part of the 1985 Chicago Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Chicago_Bears_season) team that won Super Bowl XX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XX). During the 1985 championship season, Frazier led the team with six interceptions. His career was cut short due to a knee injury he suffered returning a punt in the second quarter of the Super Bowl. He was also a member of the "G Crew" in the video: The Super Bowl Shuffle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_Shuffle).

In 1999 Frazier joined first time head coach Andy Reid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Reid) as defensive backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles). It was there that Frazier worked as a fellow assistant with the Vikings future head coach, Brad Childress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Childress). The Eagles defense improved steadily in the four years that Frazier was there.
He was defensive coordinator of the Cincinnati Bengals from 2003 to 2004 where he helped turn the unit into a group that increased takeaways from 24 in 2003 to 36 in 2004. The Bengals' 36 takeaways ranked third in the NFL in 2004. The 2004 Bengals notched 20 interceptions, the most since 1996. The Bengals' defense improved from 28th in the league in total yards allowed in 2003 to 19th in 2004, and declined in the two years following his dismissal.
In 2005, Frazier was hired by Tony Dungy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dungy) as a defensive assistant for the Indianapolis Colts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts), receiving the title of special assistant to the head coach as well as defensive backs coach. He was specifically brought in by Dungy to help the Colts' young corps of defensive backs. During his time in Indianapolis the Colts passing defense improved from 15th in 2005 to second in 2006. On February 4, 2007 the Colts beat Frazier's former team, the Chicago Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bears), in Super Bowl XLI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLI). Four days later, on February 8, 2007, he became the defensive coordinator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_coordinator) for the Minnesota Vikings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings) following the hiring of Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tomlin) by thePittsburgh Steelers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers) as their head coach.

Tampa-2, Imp, he was fired from his last coordinator job because it didn't work anymore, was fired from his HC job because he embraced it, and Perry Fewell lost his last DC job with the giants because of it and you don't hear much about him anymore, like Jauron was fired from his last unworkable defense and just faded away....

[Mr. Pink]

You might not mind it but it's obsolete junk and no one runs it any more. It's a horrible choice because it's secondary based and you just noted ours is quite suspect. You also need wee, slight lb's we don't have that swarm to the ball, can't defense the rush (because your linemen are penetrating), give up yards by the bushel and stop TE's even worse in the seam than we have since Jauron couldn't.

The best remaining proponents of it, Fewell and Frazier are just DB coaches.

Oh this is bad.

See. defensively this team wasn't bad under Jauron. 10th, 18th, 14th and 16th in scoring defense when he was here.

We were 28th, 25th, 22nd and 30th against the run at the time, respectively.

Inability to stop the run doesn't directly correlate to giving up more points because running the ball, to be frankly honest, doesn't matter in today's NFL.

I personally don't care if we give up yards to teams, stop them from scoring, force turnovers, capitalize on those turnovers and have a competent offense. The teams who succeeded while running the Tampa 2 were teams who could do those things. Unfortunately under Jauron, we didn't capitalize on turnovers and didn't have a competent offense.

[BillsImpossible]

Jauron went 7-9 three years in a row.

Defense was not the Bills main problem back then, Mace.

If the Bills had a decent QB in 2006, 2007, and 2008....

Jauron got saddled with JP Losman and Trent Edwards.

I still find it amazing that he finished 7-9 with such horrible QB's.

Maybe the defense had something to do with it?

[Mace]

Yeah ok. I'm back to arguing the same stuff I did 7 years ago before the scheme even finished completely crapping out.

If you watched the games, you saw a defense that couldn't stop anyone because it was solved. I'm not sure if retro-solved makes it less than solved in the modern game where no teams use it, but I predict you'll be howling like a banshee about it when the games start again.

People always used to defend the philosophy, ignoring that it didn't work. You'd lock down teams that couldn't pass and how many of those are left besides us ? Teams with good TE's, like oh, I dunno, lots of them nowadays, busted it with the seam routes. Then they ran, then they used seams, then they ran, because it couldn't stop either.

You'd see those wee little "playmakers" getting dragged by backs or concussed by TE's, marching marching marching.

Unfortunately, under Jauron, we had a Tampa-2, and you'd watch teams running from behind and passing when the team flailed to stop the run. So so many 4th quarter moments of Tampa-2 at it's finest, unable to stop a crap.

[Buffalogic]

People who think he's going to run the same system that got him fired twice are loony. He's probably smart enough to take on new ideas and execute a different approach.

[Mace]

Jauron went 7-9 three years in a row.

Defense was not the Bills main problem back then, Mace.

If the Bills had a decent QB in 2006, 2007, and 2008....

Jauron got saddled with JP Losman and Trent Edwards.

I still find it amazing that he finished 7-9 with such horrible QB's.

Maybe the defense had something to do with it?

Defense was crap Imp, I remember it well. Watched every game.

Retro defending Jauron as a stalwart of defense in franchise history speaks for itself. I still very much remember those days.

[Scumbag College]

The Cover ****ing 2???

What's next? Are the Bills going to become a "Run First" offense in a pass-happy league?

[Night Train]

Decent job for HC and DC so far. No complaints. Frazier had 6 INT's at CB for the legendary 1985 Bears D before a bad knee injury ended his career.

O hires and finding a QB will make or break this team.

[justasportsfan]

See. defensively this team wasn't bad under Jauron. 10th, 18th, 14th and 16th in scoring defense when he was here.

We were 28th, 25th, 22nd and 30th against the run at the time, respectively.

Inability to stop the run doesn't directly correlate to giving up more points because running the ball, to be frankly honest, doesn't matter in today's NFL.

I personally don't care if we give up yards to teams, stop them from scoring, force turnovers, capitalize on those turnovers and have a competent offense. The teams who succeeded while running the Tampa 2 were teams who could do those things. Unfortunately under Jauron, we didn't capitalize on turnovers and didn't have a competent offense.

He had the most boring team ever. Only way we won is if the other team beat themselves.

[BillsImpossible]

He had the most boring team ever. Only way we won is if the other team beat themselves.

That's what happens when your quarterback sucks.

[BillsImpossible]

Unfortunately, under Jauron, we had a Tampa-2, and you'd watch teams running from behind and passing when the team flailed to stop the run.

Maybe those teams knew that the Bills didn't have a QB?

[jimmifli]

Yeah ok. I'm back to arguing the same stuff I did 7 years ago before the scheme even finished completely crapping out.

If you watched the games, you saw a defense that couldn't stop anyone because it was solved. I'm not sure if retro-solved makes it less than solved in the modern game where no teams use it, but I predict you'll be howling like a banshee about it when the games start again.

People always used to defend the philosophy, ignoring that it didn't work. You'd lock down teams that couldn't pass and how many of those are left besides us ? Teams with good TE's, like oh, I dunno, lots of them nowadays, busted it with the seam routes. Then they ran, then they used seams, then they ran, because it couldn't stop either.

You'd see those wee little "playmakers" getting dragged by backs or concussed by TE's, marching marching marching.

Unfortunately, under Jauron, we had a Tampa-2, and you'd watch teams running from behind and passing when the team flailed to stop the run. So so many 4th quarter moments of Tampa-2 at it's finest, unable to stop a crap.

I don't know, he used to be pretty good, Airplane! is a classic and the first Naked gun was pretty funny.

[kingJofNYC]

You guys realize McD ran a ton of split safety coverage in Carolina? So did Schwartz. These guys live in split safety, call it cover 4, pounder, man under, cover 2, or whatever you want, we'll have two safeties deep most of the game and keep everything in front of us.

At this point I can't get high or low, this franchise is dog **** until proven otherwise. Not going to give any of the hires a second thought h, show me results.

[BillsImpossible]

Decent job for HC and DC so far. No complaints. Frazier had 6 INT's at CB for the legendary 1985 Bears D before a bad knee injury ended his career.

O hires and finding a QB will make or break this team.

They already found their QB, and his name is Cardale Jones.

Teams are going to respect Jones ability to throw a hell of a lot more than they ever respected JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, or Tyrod Taylor.

[Mace]

Maybe those teams knew that the Bills didn't have a QB?

Did you actually really watch those games back then, Imp ? Honestly.

I'm very comfortable saying Frazier will be terrible, and people will be howling about it by midseason next year. They'll be arguing about whether it's McDermott's fault or Frazier's. I'd encourage people to remember this thread and my saying it, and by all means, throw it back in my face if I'm wrong.

But I'm going to clearly state this was a woeful hire, it will not end well, and I will entirely stand by it. I will also predict, Frazier will be the first coach fired for philosophical differences and a new direction.

[Mr. Pink]

He had the most boring team ever. Only way we won is if the other team beat themselves.

That is true, the thing is most teams shoot themselves in the foot a few times a game. We just need an offense that can capitalize when it happens.

[BillsImpossible]

Did you actually really watch those games back then, Imp ? Honestly.

I'm very comfortable saying Frazier will be terrible, and people will be howling about it by midseason next year. They'll be arguing about whether it's McDermott's fault or Frazier's. I'd encourage people to remember this thread and my saying it, and by all means, throw it back in my face if I'm wrong.

But I'm going to clearly state this was a woeful hire, it will not end well, and I will entirely stand by it. I will also predict, Frazier will be the first coach fired for philosophical differences and a new direction.

Even if you're wrong, Mace, I would never bookmark this page and throw it back in your face come next season.

And yes, I have watched every Bills game since I was born.

I'm a fan, you're a fan, we're all fans.

Being right or wrong is the least of my concerns.

I just want to win, and so does everyone else.

"Winning," is comprised of a lot of crazy things in life.

Anything can happen.

Don't judge the future by the past.

If the future was determined by the past, I'd probably be dead, and America wouldn't exist.

[Luisito23]

What's next? Are the Bills going to become a "Run First" offense in a pass-happy league?

Too late...:snooze:...

Let's see it change?...:dance3:

[BillsImpossible]

That is true, the thing is most teams shoot themselves in the foot a few times a game. We just need an offense that can capitalize when it happens.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cardale+Jones+Buffalo+Bills+v+New+York+Jets+ViAuk7wqxi7l.jpg

[Mace]

Even if you're wrong, Mace, I would never bookmark this page and throw it back in your face come next season.

And yes, I have watched every Bills game since I was born.

I'm a fan, you're a fan, we're all fans.

Being right or wrong is the least of my concerns.

I just want to win, and so does everyone else.

"Winning," is comprised of a lot of crazy things in life.

Anything can happen.

Don't judge the future by the past.

If the future was determined by the past, I'd probably be dead, and America wouldn't exist.

You know I always appreciate your view Imp. But I sincerely believe this hire was just that badly terrible.

[Mr. Pink]

You know I always appreciate your view Imp. But I sincerely believe this hire was just that badly terrible.

Don't worry Mace. I think in 3 years we'll be back on this carousel again. So there's always that to look forward to!

[BillsImpossible]

The Art of the Impossible is taking form.

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[Mace]

People were pretty excited when Dave Wannstedt took control of the defense because he was good once.

Remember anyone who thought it was great Dave Wannstedt stepped up ?

[Mace]

Don't worry Mace. I think in 3 years we'll be back on this carousel again. So there's always that to look forward to!

Hope I make it 3 more years to see it, old son.

[BillsImpossible]

People were pretty excited when Dave Wannstedt took control of the defense because he was good once.

Remember anyone who thought it was great Dave Wannstedt stepped up ?

Tell the past to kiss your ass and say goodbye, kiss the future and say hello.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Fraizer was the D-backs coach in Baltimore, and their pass D was 24th in the league.

Great hire. :(

[cookie G]

Does this mean we use 3 of our first 4 draft picks on DB's?

[BillsImpossible]

Hope I make it 3 more years to see it, old son.

You have many years to live, my friend.

No matter how bad or good the Bills are in the future, your time is nowhere near the end.

[BillsImpossible]

Does this mean we use 3 of our first 4 draft picks on DB's?

I think this means Kevon Seymour is starting next year, and Gilmore leaves for a greener pasture.

I won't miss him.

Antoine Winfield was a better DB than Gilmore.

At least Winfield knew how to tackle.

[ICRockets]

I don't know, he used to be pretty good, Airplane! is a classic and the first Naked gun was pretty funny.

That was Connie Nielson, you idiot. Leslie Frazier is the guy from Cheers.

Maybe if we're lucky a bunch of the Patriots drunkenly told him their secrets.

[swiper]

Defense was crap Imp, I remember it well. Watched every game.

Retro defending Jauron as a stalwart of defense in franchise history speaks for itself. I still very much remember those days.

I love it. Bills fans holding up 7-9 records like they are some gold standard.

[swiper]

People were pretty excited when Dave Wannstedt took control of the defense because he was good once.

Remember anyone who thought it was great Dave Wannstedt stepped up ?

Ah. You just gave me ajada.

[The Jokeman]

Can we at least see what the combo of McDermott and Frazier does before we start *****ting on it?

[YardRat]

If we get an OC with decent experience I'll be OK moving forward with this. The Tampa-2 isn't a realization of my wildest dreams by any stretch of the imagination but I feel a little bit better about a McDermott-Frazier combo than I did about Wrecks-Wrob.

[Historian]

than I did about Wrecks-Wrob.

The Erie Canal defense!

[DraftBoy]

The positive aspect of this is that you get a guy to come in who has HC experience and can help guide McDermott through some of the different aspects of the job he may not have ever done before. I think Frazier's propensity for a weak Cover 2 scheme is certainly concerning but with McDermott's propensity to bring pressure and the talent we have on the front four I'm not as concerned about that. The key for me is finding LB's to fit the system and stopping the run consistently.

[Bills Juggernaut]

The positive aspect of this is that you get a guy to come in who has HC experience and can help guide McDermott through some of the different aspects of the job he may not have ever done before. I think Frazier's propensity for a weak Cover 2 scheme is certainly concerning but with McDermott's propensity to bring pressure and the talent we have on the front four I'm not as concerned about that. The key for me is finding LB's to fit the system and stopping the run consistently.

Do you see LB's on the current roster that can fill the roles? Does Ragland have a place in this D?

[DraftBoy]

Do you see LB's on the current roster that can fill the roles? Does Ragland have a place in this D?

I think Preston Brown does, and I'm not sure about Ragland. He needs to show that he is completely recovered from his injury before we can determine that.

[Bill Cody]

People were pretty excited when Dave Wannstedt took control of the defense because he was good once.

Remember anyone who thought it was great Dave Wannstedt stepped up ?

lol

[Bill Cody]

That was Connie Nielson, you idiot.

Leslie Nielsen dumbass

[Historian]

The positive aspect of this is that you get a guy to come in who has HC experience

This.

Which is why so many people were clamering for McCoy, IMO.

[ICRockets]

Leslie Nielsen dumbass

:rofl: Oh, Bill...

[sudzy]

Well we had to bring in a guy who runs a defense that is the worst fit for the personnel. It's the Bills way.

[Turf]

This is not official yet is it?

[sudzy]

This is not official yet is it?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2686808-leslie-frazier-reportedly-to-be-named-bills-dc-latest-details-reaction

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/13/bills-add-leslie-frazier-juan-castillo-and-bob-babich-to-coaching-staff/

[YardRat]

Babich as LBers coach.

[swiper]

Danny Crossman stays as special teams coordinator. Good save.

[Mace]

Babich as LBers coach.

Lovie Smith Tampa-2 connection. ****ing marvelous.

[Homegrown]

Remember when?

[Night Train]

Tampa 2 ! WE'RE DOOMED !