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Night Train
01-12-2017, 08:58 PM
Jones and... ????

Wow. God bless anyone that accepts that position. March and April will add 2-3 more but it will be crazy until names are identified.

Jaybird
01-12-2017, 09:05 PM
with all the old Eagles connections coming together something tells me Nick Foles won't be too far behind

Luisito23
01-12-2017, 09:08 PM
Nick Foles won't be too far behind

:ill:...Rather keep Taylor.

Mace
01-12-2017, 09:10 PM
Despite liking McDermott, I've already concluded this can't end well.

BillsImpossible
01-12-2017, 09:13 PM
:ill:...Rather keep Taylor.

For $27.5 million? That's nuts.

McDermott has every reason in the world to let Taylor walk, and give Cardale Jones the opportunity to become what the Bills have been looking for since that game against Jacksonville on December 28th 1996.

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Despite liking McDermott, I've already concluded this can't end well.

The past does not dictate the future.

Luisito23
01-12-2017, 09:14 PM
I said rather than take Foles, I'd rather stay with Taylor...

BillsImpossible
01-12-2017, 09:16 PM
Things change.

If the past dictated the future, the Bills would have won at least 3 Super Bowls by now, and the Patriots would still suck.

Mace
01-12-2017, 09:16 PM
The past does not dictate the future.

Unfortunately Imp, often it does. Taylor is coming back, you watch.

BillsImpossible
01-12-2017, 09:20 PM
I said rather than take Foles, I'd rather stay with Taylor...

For $27.5 million and another 3 years worth of mediocrity.

The Pegula's have moved on from Taylor. If they thought Taylor was the long term answer, they would have let him play in Week 17 against the Jets.

I don't think anyone on this board would say Taylor is the answer to the Bills franchise quarterback question.

Mace
01-12-2017, 09:26 PM
For $27.5 million and another 3 years worth of mediocrity.

The Pegula's have moved on from Taylor. If they thought Taylor was the long term answer, they would have let him play in Week 17 against the Jets.

I don't think anyone on this board would say Taylor is the answer to the Bills franchise quarterback question.

You'll be antagonizing people in a couple months saying it was the right choice though, Imp.

BillsImpossible
01-12-2017, 09:26 PM
Unfortunately Imp, often it does. Taylor is coming back, you watch.

The Pegula's have long term vision.

If Terry Pegula let every setback he encountered in his life effect him in a negative way, he wouldn't be a super successful billionaire with an amazing wife.

They don't want to repeat the mistakes of Bills past with a stop gap QB in Taylor, and Taylor is not going to restructure his contract because he and his agent know some other team will hitch their wagon to the ground instead of the stars.

BillsImpossible
01-12-2017, 09:30 PM
You'll be antagonizing people in a couple months saying it was the right choice though, Imp.

Oh come on, Mace. You know I'm not that kind of guy. Dwelling on the past is not my style.

swiper
01-13-2017, 05:24 AM
Jones and... ????

Wow. God bless anyone that accepts that position. March and April will add 2-3 more but it will be crazy until names are identified.

True. We had Tyrod Taylor as a 2-year "patch," but our illustrious GM did nothing in that time to fix the position. I wouldn't hate Foles as the next 2-year patch. I always liked him coming out of college. But he's nothing more than a patch at this point or a second-stringer. He could end up being the next Ryan Fitzpatrick in this QB-starved league though.

Taylor only comes back if the Bills can get him to re-do his deal to something more in-step with his production to date. If another team steps in, say Denver, that is willing to pay him more than the Bills then he's still gone. At least the Bills should be privy to how well this surgery goes.

Either way it looks like the Bills will be, again, looking for a short-term patch again while, hope against hope, the GM goes about securing a QB for the future.

swiper
01-13-2017, 05:35 AM
:ill:...Rather keep Taylor.

Why? Do you forget that Foles had the best rating of all QBs in 2013?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2013/seasontype/2

His ceiling has been higher than Taylor's.

The Jokeman
01-13-2017, 05:41 AM
with all the old Eagles connections coming together something tells me Nick Foles won't be too far behind

Foles, Jones and Mahomes in Round 2 isn't a bad group.

YardRat
01-13-2017, 06:20 AM
Bring back Taylor under different terms.
Bring in Foles.
Let EJ walk. Keep Jones.
Draft a QB.
Sign an UDFA QB.

Let the battle begin.

Thurmal
01-13-2017, 11:47 AM
I'll take Foles over Taylor. I'd take Cutler over Taylor. Tired of seeing replays of Sammy Watkins open down the sideline for a sure TD, waving his hand frantically to get Taylor's attention, and Taylor completely missing him as he dumps off to Felton for a two-yard gain. Or runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.

DraftBoy
01-13-2017, 11:56 AM
Bring back Taylor under different terms.
Bring in Foles.
Let EJ walk. Keep Jones.
Draft a QB.
Sign an UDFA QB.

Let the battle begin.

If you were Taylor would you want to come back?

elroy16
01-13-2017, 12:30 PM
Outside of the Chargers opening, there isn't one with a clear QB in place.

chris66
01-13-2017, 12:33 PM
For $27.5 million? That's nuts.

McDermott has every reason in the world to let Taylor walk, and give Cardale Jones the opportunity to become what the Bills have been looking for since that game against Jacksonville on December 28th 1996.

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The past does not dictate the future.
Cardale over TT. The Bills should do that. Thus pretty much guaranteeing they are picking top 5 for the next few years.

chris66
01-13-2017, 12:37 PM
The Pegula's have long term vision.

If Terry Pegula let every setback he encountered in his life effect him in a negative way, he wouldn't be a super successful billionaire with an amazing wife.

They don't want to repeat the mistakes of Bills past with a stop gap QB in Taylor, and Taylor is not going to restructure his contract because he and his agent know some other team will hitch their wagon to the ground instead of the stars.

Did you not read his interview with Tim Graham. Pegs did hos part. He kept the team in Buffalo. This Kims baby. As long as the Bills are making money he could care less.

cookie G
01-13-2017, 01:11 PM
Get Rivers out of that den of sin that is LA:

Let him see some of the incredible Catholic edifices dotting the Buffalo Diocese;
Have him spend a night with the born again Kelly's and let let them know why they've stayed in the area;
Schedule a lunch with the Bishop if needed. Let him get to know Sammi, introduce him to Shady (but just keep it at introductions).

The TT situation:

While doing that, have a come to Jesus talk with Tyrod. Let him know that he has marketable skills, but it is a pretty limited market. Reuniting him with the best OC to showcase those skills is by far in his best hope for glory. With nearly every other OC, he's going to end up sitting.

Renegotiate his contract with the blessing of the Spanos family in anticipation of a trade.

The Spanos factor:

Remind him of why he took Anthony Lynn in the first place. Let him know that an offense with Lynn and TT scored only 11 points less than the offense with his golden boy Rivers. With TT, Melvin Gordon, a bigger role for Ronnie HIllman and the return of Keenan Allen...they can produce a productive offense...

...and it will be for millions less per year.

As to worrying about what his fan base might think of trading Rivers...he has no fanbase any longer. So this is the year to do it.

You throw in a 2nd this year and a third next year, they dump a very high salary for a player that has 2-3 more years in the league, tops.

That's my 2-3 year stop gap.

Albany,n.y.
01-13-2017, 08:58 PM
If you were Taylor would you want to come back?
When he realizes he's not the hot commodity that some people think he is, it will probably be too late to return at a reasonable contract. He'll be lucky to find a starting job next year. (I'm on record predicting he ends up in Chicago)

swiper
01-14-2017, 05:42 AM
When he realizes he's not the hot commodity that some people think he is, it will probably be too late to return at a reasonable contract. He'll be lucky to find a starting job next year. (I'm on record predicting he ends up in Chicago)

He's going to want to be wherever he can get a starting gig. The number of options is limited. And his final landing spot depends on what happens to Tony Romo IMO.

sudzy
01-14-2017, 05:48 AM
If you were Taylor would you want to come back?

If they don't pick up the option, he's going to look elsewhere. It will come down to the best option to start and money. In the scenario he listed, Taylor would still be the favorite to start.

Night Train
01-14-2017, 07:14 AM
I'll take Foles over Taylor. I'd take Cutler over Taylor. Tired of seeing replays of Sammy Watkins open down the sideline for a sure TD, waving his hand frantically to get Taylor's attention, and Taylor completely missing him as he dumps off to Felton for a two-yard gain. Or runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage.

When healthy, Clay was wide open all too often. He was probably shorted 50-70 receptions these past 2 years.

I keep thinking how nice it would have been to have someone throwing the ball down the middle of the field without fear.

I do not want Taylor back. He did his job as the transition QB and it's time for someone else with a new HC coming in. I can accept any growing pains at this point. We have a good running game without the QB running around frantic.

YardRat
01-14-2017, 12:14 PM
If you were Taylor would you want to come back?

Depends on the terms.