If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

[Skooby]

If the answer is yes, we need to move up to draft the best QB available. There's no reason to not shoot for the moon, Tyrod isn't going to help.

[Guest]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

We would make the play-offs but not be a top 5 team.

[The Jokeman]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

If the answer is yes, we need to move up to draft the best QB available. There's no reason to not shoot for the moon, Tyrod isn't going to help.

All else being equal sure but the problem is sometimes they aren't. Case in point what if the Bills took Dan Marino instead of Jim Kelly in the 1983 draft, would they have won the Super Bowl. To me Marino was a better QB but because of that we would have ended up a better teams in the early 80s (assuming Marino didn't play in the USFL) and may have prevented us from acquiring some of the draft picks that turned out to be Bruce Smith etc.

That said as Luck is showing in Indy, just because you're a franchise QB doesn't mean it's good enough. Sure it makes the Colts a better team but a QB alone can't win in the NFL, it will and always be a team game.

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

You assume that there is a QB of that level available in this draft.

[EDS]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

With Brady, yes without question.

[Skooby]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

You assume that there is a QB of that level available in this draft.

I know we don't have one and adding another safety or WR isn't going to help us throw the rock, so all things being equal we'd be better off shooting for the fences if we feel a franchise QB is there. Thinking there's no one who can help us is foolish, Dak Prescott made Dallas the #1 seed himself & there's some similarities with us.

6-10 ..... 9-7 is where we have stayed for too long, Sammy Watkins extra pick obligation killed us last year so it's time to make a move.

[OpIv37]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

With Brady, yes without question.

Disagree. Brady would be mediocre without Bellicheck.

[justasportsfan]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

Disagree. Brady would be mediocre without Bellicheck.

The greatest qb ever goes that much lower? I don't think so. He'd still be great but he might not be the greatest ever.

[justasportsfan]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

With guys like Prescott and Russell Wilson, the bills can't afford to assume any class is a bad draft class. I know EJ was really from a bad draft class but for a team that hasn't made playoffs primarily due to bad qb'ing ,we need to keep drafting a couple every draft til' we find one.

[Thurmal]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

Without a doubt; a great QB can mask so many deficiencies. Look at GB. Without Rodgers, that roster is markedly worse than Buffalo's, but the Bills are eliminated by late-November every year and the Packers make the NFC Championship Game.

[Kenny]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

With Brady yes... only because the AFC East would be wide open.

With Luck probably not. Even he's not good enough to overcome that crappy defense. We dont have the luxury of playing in the softest division of football.

[Mouldsie]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

THE DRAFT ISNT A DAMN LOTTERY TICKET

YOU MUST SCOUT AND IDENTIFY PLAYERS ON THEIR OWN MERITS.

I can't stand people who view the draft like a pure statistical gamble. That's how you get Buddy Nix saying "someone from this draft is going to be a franchise QB" in 2013... um no.

When you look at Tom Brady, Russel Wilson, and Dak Prescott without analysis you might also think finding gems like them is a chance thing. It isn't. Those players all had very unique strengths and accomplishments that translated well to the next level but were overlooked by scouts for various ******ed reasons. (Drew Henson, Height, and lack of name recognition)

All 3 were winners with insane intangibles, arm talent, great statistics (particularly advanced stats that break down performance by situation), carried their teams to overperform, were leaders, and were identified as sleeper candidates by the smarter folks in the room.

We assume all scouts and GM's are the smarter guys in the room, that's another problem for another day.

In this draft I am not sure I see that player, either as an obvious r1 guy or late pick. (Cardale does not fit the bill btw)

[OpIv37]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

The greatest qb ever goes that much lower? I don't think so. He'd still be great but he might not be the greatest ever.

He was NOTHING before Bellicheck. He wasn't even a full time starter at Michigan and he was passed over 5x by the Pats and 6x by every other team.

Bellicheck, meanwhile, went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as a starter and 3-1 win nobodies during Brady's suspension. He's proven he can plug and play at any position, and while the sample size is small, he's proven he can do the same with QB.

Brady, meanwhile, has never had success without Bellicheck. In fairness, he hasn't had the opportunity since college. There is no way to know for certain but I suspect that Brady would be a journeyman at best if he had been drafted by literally any other team. Hell, if Bledsoe didn't get hurt we might not even remember his name.

[Mouldsie]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

He was NOTHING before Bellicheck. He wasn't even a full time starter at Michigan and he was passed over 5x by the Pats and 6x by every other team.

Bellicheck, meanwhile, went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as a starter and 3-1 win nobodies during Brady's suspension. He's proven he can plug and play at any position, and while the sample size is small, he's proven he can do the same with QB.

Brady, meanwhile, has never had success without Bellicheck. In fairness, he hasn't had the opportunity since college. There is no way to know for certain but I suspect that Brady would be a journeyman at best if he had been drafted by literally any other team. Hell, if Bledsoe didn't get hurt we might not even remember his name.

Coaching is important, but you are understating how well Brady played in college when he was on the field and not being dicked around by a coaching staff trying to keep young star recruit Drew Henson happy.

[OpIv37]

Re: If we had a Tom Brady or A. Luck, would we be a contender ?

Coaching is important, but you are understating how well Brady played in college when he was on the field and not being dicked around by a coaching staff trying to keep young star recruit Drew Henson happy.

Yup- he was so good that every team passed him over 6x in the draft.