Since we finished 1st in rushing & 30th in passing.....

[Skooby]

Where does that tell you we need put our draft resources on offense ?? To me, it screams draft a few QB's. I see a QB with our first (or multiple picks) and Chad Kelly one of our 5th round picks. Don't you think this should be the case ??

[BertSquirtgum]

Unless they can somehow magically get Kirk Cousins or trade Tony Romo for a 3rd. They still need to draft a quarterback somewhere in the draft. They should draft two quarterbacks if they don't keep Tyrod or bring in another starting worthy veteran.

[Skooby]

Unless they can somehow magically get Kirk Cousins or trade Tony Romo for a 3rd. They still need to draft a quarterback somewhere in the draft. They should draft two quarterbacks if they don't keep Tyrod or bring in another starting worthy veteran.

Big Gulp........ I agree.

[SpikedLemonade]

Where does that tell you we need put our draft resources on offense ??

Obviously, up that four seat ass of yours Mitch.

Still love you nonetheless you fat bastard.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY4Ytj0itGo

[YardRat]

Having a couple of more receivers and some olinemen that could pass block a little better wouldn't hurt.

[SpikedLemonade]

Having a couple of more receivers and some olinemen that could pass block a little better wouldn't hurt.

Of course

[Skooby]

Having a couple of more receivers and some olinemen that could pass block a little better wouldn't hurt.

A couple of healthy / competent receivers would be nice.

[Dr. Lecter]

Having a couple of more receivers and some olinemen that could pass block a little better wouldn't hurt.
The O line and pass blocking really wasn't an issue at all and is way, way, way down the list of needs

The #1 need is a QB that can make multiple kinds of throws.

[Skooby]

The O line and pass blocking really wasn't an issue at all and is way, way, way down the list of needs

The #1 need is a QB that can make multiple kinds of throws.

QB is our number 1 issue by a lot & anyone thinking Tyrod is sticking is insane. The Bills sat him in the last game because reality hit he wasn't our answer & they didn't want him to get hurt. The decision has been made, he needs to be cut and we need a real QB. Finding one is a different issue but Tyrod isn't getting tens of millions for running around.

[jamze132]

The O line and pass blocking really wasn't an issue at all and is way, way, way down the list of needs

The #1 need is a QB that can make multiple kinds of throws.

Yes, it would be great to have an ideal QB, but to me the biggest thing that held this team back last year was the play of the defense. Tyrod did enough on offense because we put up a lot of points; enough to make the playoffs.

[Dr. Lecter]

Yes, it would be great to have an ideal QB, but to me the biggest thing that held this team back last year was the play of the defense. Tyrod did enough on offense because we put up a lot of points; enough to make the playoffs.
Of the 12 playoff teams from last year (NE, Miami, Pitt, KC, Oakland, Houston, Dallas, Giants, Detroit, GB, Seattle and Atlanta) how many would Tyrod start for?

[Thurmal]

The Bills' passing offense averaged under 200 ypg last year. In 2016. With the #1 rushing offense. How people don't think this indicates a huge QB issue is beyond me.

[feldspar]

This ain't rocket science, fellas. People get caught up in stats too much sometimes.

The Bills attempted fewer passes than any other team in the league this year...so go figure why their passing "ranking" is what it is. It would just logically follow.

This was all by design.

[ICRockets]

Of the 12 playoff teams from last year (NE, Miami, Pitt, KC, Oakland, Houston, Dallas, Giants, Detroit, GB, Seattle and Atlanta) how many would Tyrod start for?
If I were running those teams, I'd start him in Miami, Houston, and maybe KC.

[Dr. Lecter]

If I were running those teams, I'd start him in Miami, Houston, and maybe KC.

Houston yes.

Tannehill is better than Taylor. So is Smith.

[ICRockets]

Houston yes.

Tannehill is better than Taylor. So is Smith.
Yeah, it's a matter of preference for me. I'm just not a huge fan of either of them, especially Tannehill.

[feldspar]

I think Denver would have had a very good chance of making the playoffs had Taylor been their QB.

If and when the Bills don't exercise the option, there WILL be a market for him.

[justasportsfan]

The O line and pass blocking really wasn't an issue at all and is way, way, way down the list of needs

If we had a qb who could make quick reads, see the middle of the field and got rid of the ball faster our OL would have even looked better in the passing game.

[ICRockets]

If we had a qb who could make quick reads, see the middle of the field and got rid of the ball faster our OL would have even looked better in the passing game.

There is no evidence to support the assertion that Tyrod can't see the middle of the field.

[stuckincincy]

Where does that tell you we need put our draft resources on offense ?? To me, it screams draft a few QB's. I see a QB with our first (or multiple picks) and Chad Kelly one of our 5th round picks. Don't you think this should be the case ??

Taylor's early bail-outs and the yards he got gave BUF that #1 rush ranking and the low pass ranking.

That's no recipe for advancement.

Everybody seems to dismiss this QB draft for this or that reason. I'm for the WR BPA, but I could also see them going QB BPA.

17 years on the outs re playoffs, anything goes...

[Dr. Lecter]

There is no evidence to support the assertion that Tyrod can't see the middle of the field.
Is "uses" the middle of the field a better word?

[Ed]

I'm really not interested in any of the qbs in this draft, so if they do in fact get rid of Tyrod, I'd prefer to just see them start Cardale Jones next year. If he struggles and looks like he just doesn't have it then that should set us up well to get one of the top qbs in the 2018 draft, which is looking like a much better group than this year.

They'll still have to draft a qb this year for depth, but I don't want to see them use a first round pick. Draft another developmental guy and bring in a vet as a 3rd qb to help mentor and show Cardale and the rookie develop good studying and preparation techniques, things like that.

[Mouldsie]

This ain't rocket science, fellas. People get caught up in stats too much sometimes.

The Bills attempted fewer passes than any other team in the league this year...so go figure why their passing "ranking" is what it is. It would just logically follow.

This was all by design.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/12/21/14038058/tyrod-taylor-bills-2016-in-the-pocket-passing-statistics-will-probably-surprise-you

I find myself having to defend Tyrod far more than I would like to when I visit this board. I like to deal in reality.

[Skooby]

http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/porn-star-piles-on-nfl-draft-prospects-miserable-day/

[Bill Cody]

To me, it screams draft a few QB's. I see a QB with our first (or multiple picks) and Chad Kelly one of our 5th round picks. Don't you think this should be the case ??

That might make sense if we had 11 picks, probably not but maybe. But we have only 6. Drafting 3 QB's for us would be the equivalent of the ad with the guy who has 14 drivers in his golf bag.

[ICRockets]

Is "uses" the middle of the field a better word?

Better? Sure. It's still not entirely accurate, though. Tyrod uses the middle of the field, he just does so generally less than other QBs in the league. You and I have no way of knowing if that was due to coaching or not. I believe with the right coaches, receivers, schemes, routes, etc. Tyrod would have more success throwing over the middle of the field than he has thus far.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I hope Cleveland has smaller offensive lineman for Tyrod to see over.

[YardRat]

The O line and pass blocking really wasn't an issue at all and is way, way, way down the list of needs

The #1 need is a QB that can make multiple kinds of throws.

The oline performed better than I expected, and I'm OK with not turning the unit upside down for a total re-do by any means, but the right side especially was pretty weak with their pass blocking this year.

If you'll notice what I actually wrote, I said it 'wouldn't hurt', I didn't say it was the #1 priority, or even a higher priority than getting a QB.

[jimmifli]

Why is drafting a QB linked to resigning Rod? His contract matches his performance and doesn't "lock" the Bills into a bad contract.

We should resign him and draft a QB early, preferably in the 1st round but if there isn't a guy there worth the pick I'd be fine with a trade down or waiting for the 2nd round.

If the new QB wins the job or takes over mid year we can trade Rod next off season.

[YardRat]

Why is drafting a QB linked to resigning Rod?
It shouldn't be, they should be drafting one and bringing another FA/UDFA in regardless of whether they pick up the option or not.

[jimmifli]

It shouldn't be, they should be drafting one and bringing another FA/UDFA in regardless of whether they pick up the option or not.

Yep. 2 in the draft or 1 in the draft and one free agent. That's IF the resign Rod. If not, add one more QB.

[Mace]

Where does that tell you we need put our draft resources on offense ?? To me, it screams draft a few QB's. I see a QB with our first (or multiple picks) and Chad Kelly one of our 5th round picks. Don't you think this should be the case ??

Well, you've been through this before, like we all have. It screams that we'll put all our resources in defense and receivers because the offensive issues must be a receiver problem.

We have 6 picks, we'll waste 1 this year trading up for defensive secondary because Whaley is that dazzled with his GM savvy. 3 db's, 1 wr, and a project te.

[Bill Cody]

Well, you've been through this before, like we all have. It screams that we'll put all our resources in defense and receivers because the offensive issues must be a receiver problem.

We have 6 picks, we'll waste 1 this year trading up for defensive secondary because Whaley is that dazzled with his GM savvy. 3 db's, 1 wr, and a project te.

I can't read posts like this until 5 today when I start drinking

[stuckincincy]

I can't read posts like this until 5 today when I start drinking

:kid: :drunks:

[sudzy]

The O line and pass blocking really wasn't an issue at all and is way, way, way down the list of needs

The #1 need is a QB that can make multiple kinds of throws.

Our offensive line ranks among the best in run blocking. I'll give you that. I have to question the pass blocking. The Bills were last in the NFL in pass attempts, but, were 29th in sacks allowed. This site (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol) ranks the Bills pass protection as 31st ahead of only Cleveland. I know Glenn missed some games. And maybe Tyrod was responsible for some of those, it seemed like he he escaped a lot that should have been sacks as well. If your going to invest a high draft choice in a QB, I feel an upgrade at RT is a must. You need to put that young QB in the best spot to succeed, and that starts with keeping him up right.

[stuckincincy]

Our offensive line ranks among the best in run blocking. I'll give you that. I have to question the pass blocking. The Bills were last in the NFL in pass attempts, but, were 29th in sacks allowed. This site (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol) ranks the Bills pass protection as 31st ahead of only Cleveland. I know Glenn missed some games. And maybe Tyrod was responsible for some of those, it seemed like he he escaped a lot that should have been sacks as well. If your going to invest a high draft choice in a QB, I feel an upgrade at RT is a must. You need to put that young QB in the best spot to succeed, and that starts with keeping him up right.

Taylor has a lack of pocket presence. I'm not knocking him for that - we all have our blind spots.

But that is in my view why he can't be a winning QB.

Our member DraftBoy opined that BUF has so many holes, he put forth a list of #1 picks for the Bills. Any one of them would suffice.

He's right. But if you have all those holes and can't decide, I'm inclined to default to the assumed BPA among the OL candidates. :2cents:

[Mace]

Why is drafting a QB linked to resigning Rod? His contract matches his performance and doesn't "lock" the Bills into a bad contract.

We should resign him and draft a QB early, preferably in the 1st round but if there isn't a guy there worth the pick I'd be fine with a trade down or waiting for the 2nd round.

If the new QB wins the job or takes over mid year we can trade Rod next off season.

I think people are getting antsy and impatient, which is understandable. My head knows Tyrod is less worse, but also knows I'll see him doing the same stuff I don't like next year. My heart says just move it along and throw someone else against the wall to see if he sticks.

People want some guy to step in and be the Man right away, because who knows, maybe it can happen ? It happens sometimes for other teams. Is it likely ? Nah, but just hurry it up already.

I don't think Tyrod is a mentor type though. And from taking a WR coach to be QB coach, that tells me they're not seriously meaning to develop anyone. So that leads me to think they mean to keep Taylor, and draft another QB they won't develop, giving them an inadequate though less worse starting passer, and two developmental guys who aren't being developed but one might somehow develop himself, then maybe a vet to spice it up and see who comes out alive.

This might sound like a stupid idea, but I'd be interested in Fitzpatrick. There was talk about him retiring, and I'd offer him a role leading into a coaching path. I always believed Fitzpatricks head knew precisely what to do, but his arm just couldn't do it. I really think Fitzpatrick, if he chooses to go into it, will have an outstanding coaching path and career, and I'd sound him out about it.

[stuckincincy]

I think people are getting antsy and impatient, which is understandable. My head knows Tyrod is less worse, but also knows I'll see him doing the same stuff I don't like next year. My heart says just move it along and throw someone else against the wall to see if he sticks.

People want some guy to step in and be the Man right away, because who knows, maybe it can happen ? It happens sometimes for other teams. Is it likely ? Nah, but just hurry it up already.

I don't think Tyrod is a mentor type though. And from taking a WR coach to be QB coach, that tells me they're not seriously meaning to develop anyone. So that leads me to think they mean to keep Taylor, and draft another QB they won't develop, giving them an inadequate though less worse starting passer, and two developmental guys who aren't being developed but one might somehow develop himself, then maybe a vet to spice it up and see who comes out alive.

...This might sound like a stupid idea, but I'd be interested in Fitzpatrick. There was talk about him retiring, and I'd offer him a role leading into a coaching path. I always believed Fitzpatricks head knew precisely what to do, but his arm just couldn't do it. I really think Fitzpatrick, if he chooses to go into it, will have an outstanding coaching path and career, and I'd sound him out about it.

That's a good idea, but it clashes with what the players wanted - and won - in the last CBA. Which was minimum training camp, minimum contact, and so on. I've read several articles by experienced football folks that note that per the contract, there is little time available to instruct linemen and qbs on the nuances anymore.

[Mace]

That's a good idea, but it clashes with what the players wanted - and won - in the last CBA. Which was minimum training camp, minimum contact, and so on. I've read several articles by experienced football folks that note that per the contract, there is little time available to instruct linemen and qbs on the nuances anymore.


Not really, it's the opposite. You hire him as a backup mentor and players can hang out all they want, younger players are drawn to vets, and you see QB's spending time together with their receivers in the offseason for private work all the time. "C'mon Cardale, come on down and let's work together. I invited Tyrod too but he doesn't want to come."

So he's the vet backup QB, and when he chooses to retire, or you need him to, he's the assistant QB coach, familiar with staff and players. That's when CBA becomes pointed. Mean time, if his career lingers a year or two with a coaching staff payoff down the road, you get the best of both worlds.

[stuckincincy]

Not really, it's the opposite. You hire him as a backup mentor and players can hang out all they want, younger players are drawn to vets, and you see QB's spending time together with their receivers in the offseason for private work all the time. "C'mon Cardale, come on down and let's work together. I invited Tyrod too but he doesn't want to come."

So he's the vet backup QB, and when he chooses to retire, or you need him to, he's the assistant QB coach, familiar with staff and players. That's when CBA becomes pointed. Mean time, if his career lingers a year or two with a coaching staff payoff down the road, you get the best of both worlds.

Dunno. If memory serves, there has been several iterations of the "mentor' idea. I see no evidence of it working.

Today's players hold the Benjamins first, and worry about how to maximize them. Fitz has played that game very successfully.

He surely isn't hurting for money, nor should he have any worries about getting some coaching gig to occupy his time when he hangs up his cleats. Sports is the ultimate "old boy's network." Once you are in, you are in for life.

[DraftBoy]

Dunno. If memory serves, there has been several iterations of the "mentor' idea. I see no evidence of it working.

I think the most successful was probably Steve McNair.

[Mace]

Dunno. If memory serves, there has been several iterations of the "mentor' idea. I see no evidence of it working.

Today's players hold the Benjamins first, and worry about how to maximize them. Fitz has played that game very successfully.

He surely isn't hurting for money, nor should he have any worries about getting some coaching gig to occupy his time when he hangs up his cleats. Sports is the ultimate "old boy's network." Once you are in, you are in for life.

Well, what Fitz wants to do is pure conjecture, any way you think to look at it.

One thing though, the idea of mentor, any vet QB willing to share some knowledge or tips, has a better chance of helping a developmental passer than a QB coach who has been a WR coach the past 23 years in a row. In terms of mechanics, footwork and reads, having anyone to teach anything is better than having no one to teach nothing.

[Mace]

Btw, I just looked up Lubick, the assistant QB coach. Guess who else has worked with receivers his whole career ? It's weird.