bill polian likes chad kelly

[djjimkelly]

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/02/former_bills_gm_bill_polian_says_chad_kelly_is_most_talented_qb_in_2017_nfl_draf.html





ill trust bill

[jamze132]

That's a huge gamble. If we got him in the 5th or later, I'd be fine.

[YardRat]

I agree with him. I don't get the shot the author takes at Polian for saying Landry Jones is the best QB prospect from the '13 draft, so far it looks like he may be right about that.

[stuckincincy]

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/02/former_bills_gm_bill_polian_says_chad_kelly_is_most_talented_qb_in_2017_nfl_draf.html







ill trust bill

Bill has the luxury of not living next door to that psychopathic child...

[Novacane]

That's a huge gamble. If we got him in the 5th or later, I'd be fine.


Every draft pick is a gamble. Especially with the Bills. I wouldn't be upset if they used a 2nd on him.

[don137]

Heard Kelly wasn't invited to combine due to some of his off the field antics. That could drop him to a day 3 pick which would be good value and worth the risk.

[YardRat]

We all know Belichek is going to draft him anyway, right?

[Night Train]

Bills have no 4th rounder.

If they do enough in FA to fill needs and he's still sitting there in the 3rd round, pick him and be done.

[DraftBoy]

Heard Kelly wasn't invited to combine due to some of his off the field antics. That could drop him to a day 3 pick which would be good value and worth the risk.

Technically he was invited, but his invitation was rescinded after another possible off-the-field incident occurred. His agents have said that it is "possible" that he was involved in another incident.

[swiper]

Bills have no 4th rounder.

If they do enough in FA to fill needs and he's still sitting there in the 3rd round, pick him and be done.

Nobody in Buffalo would complain about that move. Do it.

[alohabillsfan]

Pass

[LarryBoy]

Cant be any worse then others picks we've tried...

[Thurmal]

The Bills would rather blow the #10 pick on a homeless man's Mike Vick and then act stunned when he becomes the 9 millionth running QB whose game doesn't translate to the pros.

[djjimkelly]

The Bills would rather blow the #10 pick on a homeless man's Mike Vick and then act stunned when he becomes the 9 millionth running QB whose game doesn't translate to the pros.

lets pray to god that doesnt happen id rather keep tyrod for another year so he can prove he isnt a starter again. and i despise tyrod at this point a poor mans flutie and i wanst fond of flutie either.


hell im for keeping tyrod if we draft kelly in the 2nd or 3rd. i threw up a bit saying that but thats how much i dont want kizer or watson

[The Jokeman]

If we haven't taken a QB by the 5th Round and Kelly's still on the board I'd consider it. Yet I don't think this kid playing in Buffalo helps him if anything it could hinder his development as too many expectations here. Nathan Peterman is the QB I'm intrigued with the most in this draft. I also curious about Davis Webb but both are round 3 or lower picks.

[stuckincincy]

If we haven't taken a QB by the 5th Round and Kelly's still on the board I'd consider it. Yet I don't think this kid playing in Buffalo helps him if anything it could hinder his development as too many expectations here. Nathan Peterman is the QB I'm intrigued with the most in this draft. I also curious about Davis Webb but both are round 3 or lower picks.

He needs to go to a city that doesn't have a bar at every corner. :tip:

[Oaf]

Hope Whaley doesn't get wind of this. He'd automatically not pick him, in any round, to assert his own talent evaluation.

[HHURRICANE]

Again I watched Chad play. He's the best QB in the draft so if we get him in rounds 4-6 I'd be perfectly ok. His issues and injury is why someone is going to get very lucky with this kid. Clemson didn't get this kid originally because he sucked. He would have started if not for his issues. Think about that. We'd be talking about him as a first rounder had he finished at Clemson.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Technically he was invited, but his invitation was rescinded after another possible off-the-field incident occurred. His agents have said that it is "possible" that he was involved in another incident.

What do you think about Kelly talent wise?

[cookie G]

He said Kelly may be the most talented QB in the draft. And he also provided a huge caveat.

The psychological testing is really, really important," Polian said on ESPN's Mike and Mike this week. "The background goes without saying. By the way, the most talented quarterback in the draft is probably Chad Kelly, but he has a ton of baggage," Polian said. "So you get that out of the way immediately."

Note that he emphasized the importance of the psych testing, preceding "important" with "really"...2x.

And when he talked about Kelly's baggage, he didn't say he had "some" or "a bit". He used the word "ton".

Polian was a great GM because of his thoroughness. He left as little to chance as possible.

Based on Kelly's history, and repeated episodes of questionable behavior, his digging into the mind of Chad Kelly would be substantial, his friendship with the Kelly's notwithstanding.

[jimmifli]

He said Kelly may be the most talented QB in the draft. And he also provided a huge caveat.

The psychological testing is really, really important," Polian said on ESPN's Mike and Mike this week. "The background goes without saying. By the way, the most talented quarterback in the draft is probably Chad Kelly, but he has a ton of baggage," Polian said. "So you get that out of the way immediately."

Note that he emphasized the importance of the psych testing, preceding "important" with "really"...2x.

And when he talked about Kelly's baggage, he didn't say he had "some" or "a bit". He used the word "ton".

Polian was a great GM because of his thoroughness. He left as little to chance as possible.

Based on Kelly's history, and repeated episodes of questionable behavior, his digging into the mind of Chad Kelly would be substantial, his friendship with the Kelly's notwithstanding.
Guys don't get bigger, or more accurate or learn to make decisions faster once they're in the NFL. But there are lots of guys that do finally grow up.

If we were talking about a 1st round pick, yeah, no thanks. But a third? He's got the tools, maybe he'll figure out the rest of it. And if not we missed out on this year's Coy Wire or TJ Graham.

[WagonCircler]

Guys don't get bigger, or more accurate or learn to make decisions faster once they're in the NFL. But there are lots of guys that do finally grow up.

If we were talking about a 1st round pick, yeah, no thanks. But a third? He's got the tools, maybe he'll figure out the rest of it. And if not we missed out on this year's Coy Wire or TJ Graham.

Exactly!

If Chad didn't have the baggage, he'd be a top 5 pick.

Speaking in the context of Chad Kelly going to Buffalo in the 3rd or 4th round, you're not going to get a guy with his talent and no baggage.

I'd much rather have a guy with maturity issues than unfixable mechanical problems, poor accuracy or the inability to read and react to Defenses.

Chad is a gamble, but if he comes through, you end up with a guy with real upside, as opposed to a guy like EJ, who clearly was never going to overcome his performance issues.

[Mace]

I've said it before may as well say it again, don't know how his maturity develops, but he's the least likely QB in this draft to get screwed up by having a WR coach and assistant WR coach as his QB coaches, though it won't help sharpen him any. Kelly is likely now to plunge and for 3rd or even 5th, maybe 6th, I wouldn't mind any.

First thing he does though is move in with Uncle Jim on a curfew.

[BillsImpossible]

Imagine what things would have been like for Jim Kelly and many other quarterbacks back in the 1980's and early 1990's if the Internet and social media existed back then....

Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and John Elway were anything but angels back in the day.

Draft Kelly in the 3rd or 4th round, let him compete with Cardale Jones for the starting job and let history play out.

He's got a "ton of baggage," but I don't think his luggage weighs nearly as much as Ray Lewis's baggage.

[Mace]

Imagine what things would have been like for Jim Kelly and many other quarterbacks back in the 1980's and early 1990's if the Internet and social media existed back then....

Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and John Elway were anything but angels back in the day.

Draft Kelly in the 3rd or 4th round, let him compete with Cardale Jones for the starting job and let history play out.

He's got a "ton of baggage," but I don't think his luggage weighs nearly as much as Ray Lewis's baggage.

Actually, I remember Elway being about as insipidly squeaky clean as they come. Despised him for it.

Back then you looked for players with personality. Now they have too much and you want less.

[cookie G]

Guys don't get bigger, or more accurate or learn to make decisions faster once they're in the NFL. But there are lots of guys that do finally grow up.

If we were talking about a 1st round pick, yeah, no thanks. But a third? He's got the tools, maybe he'll figure out the rest of it. And if not we missed out on this year's Coy Wire or TJ Graham.

I have 0 problem with using a 3rd on him. We're on the same page in talking about drafting a QB until you find one.

I'd go you one further. If I were GM and drafted him in the 3rd, I'd be seeking an eval. and treatment for him at the Menninger Clinic. (the place where Brett Favre kicked his pain killer addiction).

Many might see that as drastic, or trying to label him negatively, but I don't see it that way. I see it as little different than going to Dr. James Andrews for his knee. Its simply a method of repairing a weakness that adversely affects him as a player.

The "baggage" could be due to immaturity, it could be a personality disorder, it could be a chemical issue for all I know.

And that's why I'd leave the eval. and the treatment to the best mental health specialists I could find.

If he's going to have a shot at being the next franchise QB, he's not getting there based on past conduct. But it also might be fixable.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Does Marv Levy have a grandson that could coach?

Does Bruce's son play football?

What about Andre? Does he have a nephew too?

Let's get the gang back together. It's like Saved by the Bell: College Years.

[jimmifli]

We're on the same page in talking about drafting a QB until you find one.
Why stop then?

[HHURRICANE]

The Bills won't take Chad Kelly because he's too much baggage for the front office. Like Jim calling everyday asking when is nephew is starting?!

[WagonCircler]

I have 0 problem with using a 3rd on him. We're on the same page in talking about drafting a QB until you find one.

I'd go you one further. If I were GM and drafted him in the 3rd, I'd be seeking an eval. and treatment for him at the Menninger Clinic. (the place where Brett Favre kicked his pain killer addiction).

Many might see that as drastic, or trying to label him negatively, but I don't see it that way. I see it as little different than going to Dr. James Andrews for his knee. Its simply a method of repairing a weakness that adversely affects him as a player.

The "baggage" could be due to immaturity, it could be a personality disorder, it could be a chemical issue for all I know.

And that's why I'd leave the eval. and the treatment to the best mental health specialists I could find.

If he's going to have a shot at being the next franchise QB, he's not getting there based on past conduct. But it also might be fixable.

The baggage is due, in large part, to the horrendous influence of the internet and social media. We are watching a generation of idiots prolonging their immaturity thanks to the garbage-in-garbage out pop culture perpetuated by the YouTubes and Instagrams and SnapChats of the world.

I'm not sure if this generation will ever fully come to be adults. All we can do is hope.

The saddest thing about Chad is that he has a great, hard working role model (his dad) who has worked his ass off to raise his family. And despite this, and an decent education, Chad speaks and behaves like a wannabe hood rat.

A gamble is a gamble, and there's certainly no guarantee the Chad will grow up, but I've known his family for 30 years now, and I've witnessed the capacity for maturation. My bet is that he has it in him.

[swiper]

The baggage is due, in large part, to the horrendous influence of the internet and social media. We are watching a generation of idiots prolonging their immaturity thanks to the garbage-in-garbage out pop culture perpetuated by the YouTubes and Instagrams and SnapChats of the world.

I'm not sure if this generation will ever fully come to be adults. All we can do is hope.

The saddest thing about Chad is that he has a great, hard working role model (his dad) who has worked his ass off to raise his family. And despite this, and an decent education, Chad speaks and behaves like a wannabe hood rat.

A gamble is a gamble, and there's certainly no guarantee the Chad will grow up, but I've known his family for 30 years now, and I've witnessed the capacity for maturation. My bet is that he has it in him.

You know what can fix that? The right woman.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I'm not sure if this generation will ever fully come to be adults. All we can do is hope.

- Every generation about the next one

[jimmifli]

The baggage is due, in large part, to the horrendous influence of the internet and social media. We are watching a generation of idiots prolonging their immaturity thanks to the garbage-in-garbage out pop culture perpetuated by the YouTubes and Instagrams and SnapChats of the world.

I'm not sure if this generation will ever fully come to be adults. All we can do is hope.
LOL

http://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpg

[Bill Cody]

The Bills won't take Chad Kelly because he's too much baggage for the front office. Like Jim calling everyday asking when is nephew is starting?!

Jim: "when's Chad starting?"

Whalen: "I don't know, we're going to see what we have with EJ and Cardale"

Jim: "So you figure, what, Sunday?"

[Night Train]

The issues with the supposed top 5 guys is experience and playing out of the shotgun/spread. Then you add in their actual level of talent and you are an organization reaching. None are true 1st rounders. They are not pro ready.

If you gamble on Kelly from round 3 on...it's not much of a gamble. He's the most pro ready.

We traded away a first for Bledsoe, Drafted Manuel and Losman in the 1st Round, Todd Collins in the 2nd round. Gave Rob Johnson 25 Mil. All since Jim Kelly left. Remind me how good that worked out. Our only real winning was done by 5 foot nothing Flutie.

Picking him from round 3 on isn't much of a gamble. Look at all the bums we've selected in round 3 the last 20 years.

This is a QB. Not some track guy trying to win the #5 WR spot.

[jimmifli]

So it looks like Chad in the 3rd would be quite popular.

QBs often go earlier than they should, so how would you feel about a 2nd round pick?

[Mace]

So it looks like Chad in the 3rd would be quite popular.

QBs often go earlier than they should, so how would you feel about a 2nd round pick?

CBS sports (always use their drafts in the simulator, they're pretty close to relative value) has the Chad as a 6th rounder atm, so taking him earlier might mean the 5th. Coming off the knee there's not going to be much he can do to improve his stock without combine interviews, imho.

[Mace]

The baggage is due, in large part, to the horrendous influence of the internet and social media. We are watching a generation of idiots prolonging their immaturity thanks to the garbage-in-garbage out pop culture perpetuated by the YouTubes and Instagrams and SnapChats of the world.

I'm not sure if this generation will ever fully come to be adults. All we can do is hope.

The saddest thing about Chad is that he has a great, hard working role model (his dad) who has worked his ass off to raise his family. And despite this, and an decent education, Chad speaks and behaves like a wannabe hood rat.

A gamble is a gamble, and there's certainly no guarantee the Chad will grow up, but I've known his family for 30 years now, and I've witnessed the capacity for maturation. My bet is that he has it in him.

I sort of agree with you in general, I mean the information/internet age seems to be making people more ignorant, but Kelly is unfortunately not the norm coming out of college. I'm not convinced a good scare won't shake him into focus, but I worry too that he'll get BMIB complex (Big Man In Buffalo) without the chops to pull it off.

I'd probably still take a swing on him though for previously stated reasons. Two WR QB coaches won't mess him up so much and matured Uncle Jim would surely step in and smack him around with a Hall of Fame jacket for context.

[stuckincincy]

The baggage is due, in large part, to the horrendous influence of the internet and social media. We are watching a generation of idiots prolonging their immaturity thanks to the garbage-in-garbage out pop culture perpetuated by the YouTubes and Instagrams and SnapChats of the world.

I'm not sure if this generation will ever fully come to be adults. All we can do is hope.

Put the 2006 movie, Idiocracy on your must-see list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

[djjimkelly]

You know what can fix that? The right woman.

and the wrong one can set you back

[jimmifli]

CBS sports (always use their drafts in the simulator, they're pretty close to relative value) has the Chad as a 6th rounder atm, so taking him earlier might mean the 5th. Coming off the knee there's not going to be much he can do to improve his stock without combine interviews, imho.

I'm no draft expert, but a trend I've noticed is QBs often go earlier than they are projected. We can't be the only fan base thinking an injured-party-kid-would-be-1st-rounder slipping to the 3rd looks like a good gamble.

[stuckincincy]

I'm no draft expert, but a trend I've noticed is QBs often go earlier than they are projected.

Everybody looking for the Holy Grail?

Seems like the recent iterations of the mocks here and there are leaning to 3 QBs taken in the top ten.

Of course, that could all change tomorrow...

[DraftBoy]

I'm no draft expert, but a trend I've noticed is QBs often go earlier than they are projected. We can't be the only fan base thinking an injured-party-kid-would-be-1st-rounder slipping to the 3rd looks like a good gamble.

I'm not sure on talent alone he's a first round QB. I'm not sure any QB in this class is a 1st Round pick on talent alone.

So if you take the injured, party, maturity issues out of it then he's probably a 2nd-3rd Round prospect. Which still puts him either at, or near, the top of the QB class.

I've watched Kizer his entire career and it's been years since I was doing actual scouting but I don't see what people seem to think they are seeing that makes him a franchise guy. Sure he tosses some dimes at times but he's frustratingly inconsistent and his leadership is severely lacking.

Watson is a kid who is all heart but does he have the talent? His arm is average to above average, his athleticism is above average, but his size is below average. He needs large windows to make throws most of the time and wasn't required to do a lot of reading in his offense.

Turbisky is the wild card because nobody has seen enough of him to know what he may or may not be. He's got the full package of size, arm, and athleticism but his year at UNC was up and down and he's got very limited starting experience.

Kelly is a kid who also has it all in a smaller package. His size shouldn't be too much of a worry though every team is going to want to see his hand size. The question for him is can he get more consistent, can he learn to keep his cool on the field, and can he show that next level growth that he flashed at Ole Miss. Kelly is probably the guy least afraid of making a bad throw but he's also the guy whose going to force the ball down the field just because.

Somebody mentioned earlier about the other prospects coming from a spread system and that makes Kelly the most NFL ready, but Kelly also came from a spread system. Now if you want to include the tape watching that Wagon has brought up in his connection with the family then maybe that's true, but from a system standpoint he's at a similar point to the other top guys.

[YardRat]

So it looks like Chad in the 3rd would be quite popular.

QBs often go earlier than they should, so how would you feel about a 2nd round pick?

I still believe Kelly would be in the first round, maybe even first QB taken, discussion if not for the injury. I think the combine issue may have dropped him down a lot of boards into the second or third. I'm OK with the team taking him at any pick in the second round or after...maybe even the first if they trade down. If we go the first three picks without a QB and somebody else snags him in the fourth when we don't have a pick because we're looking to match up perceived value with draft position, I'm going to be pissed.

I honestly wouldn't be a bit surprised if not inviting him to the combine is a ploy by that piece of **** Goodell to scare teams off so he's on the board for that ****er Kraft to snag, get mentored by Brady for a couple of seasons, and put NE in a position to keep kicking our ass for another 15 years.

[DraftBoy]

I still believe Kelly would be in the first round, maybe even first QB taken, discussion if not for the injury. I think the combine issue may have dropped him down a lot of boards into the second or third. I'm OK with the team taking him at any pick in the second round or after...maybe even the first if they trade down. If we go the first three picks without a QB and somebody else snags him in the fourth when we don't have a pick because we're looking to match up perceived value with draft position, I'm going to be pissed.

I honestly wouldn't be a bit surprised if not inviting him to the combine is a ploy by that piece of **** Goodell to scare teams off so he's on the board for that ****er Kraft to snag, get mentored by Brady for a couple of seasons, and put NE in a position to keep kicking our ass for another 15 years.

Just to note, the decision to rescind came from Troy Vincent's office not Goodell's. Doesn't mean Goodell didn't have a say.

[YardRat]

Just to note, the decision to rescind came from Troy Vincent's office not Goodell's. Doesn't mean Goodell didn't have a say.

Can't cheat and keep your hands clean without a fall guy...you know, like the cameraman, the ball boy...

[DraftBoy]

Can't cheat and keep your hands clean without a fall guy...you know, like the cameraman, the ball boy...

I don't disagree.

[SpikedLemonade]

I have NO interest in Chad Kelly.

The pressure on all concerned would be overwhelming.

It probably drive Chad to drinking like his uncle.

[Bill Cody]

I have NO interest in Chad Kelly.

The pressure on all concerned would be overwhelming.

It probably drive Chad to drinking like his uncle.

If he plays like his uncle we'll all be buying him drinks and we won't care. Or he could suck and go the Johnny Manziel route. I'd be happy to see the Bills take a late round flier on him. Why the F not? The only time my pulse has gotten over 65 during a Bills game in the last decade was when my old lady called me in from the Man Cave to bang her at half time

[WagonCircler]

If he plays like his uncle we'll all be buying him drinks and we won't care. Or he could suck and go the Johnny Manziel route. I'd be happy to see the Bills take a late round flier on him. Why the F not? The only time my pulse has gotten over 65 during a Bills game in the last decade was when my old lady called me in from the Man Cave to bang her at half time

Spike has a mandatory "Kelly is a drunk" post quota to meet. If he fails, he doesn't get to suck any **** for two weeks. Devastating for him.

[Dr. Lecter]

Spike has a mandatory "Kelly is a drunk" post quota to meet. If he fails, he doesn't get to suck any **** for two weeks. Devastating for him.

Which quota is higher - his on that or your quota on how much Whaley sucks or Yardie's quota on typing Wrecks?

[YardRat]

Which quota is higher - his on that or your quota on how much Whaley sucks or Yardie's quota on typing Wrecks?

It's not a 'quota' (minimum requirement) per se, as much as it is a 'goal' (maximum number possible) for me.

[Mace]

I'm no draft expert, but a trend I've noticed is QBs often go earlier than they are projected. We can't be the only fan base thinking an injured-party-kid-would-be-1st-rounder slipping to the 3rd looks like a good gamble.

Yes, you're right, but I just wouldn't take him as high as 2nd. I firmly believe we need to get as closed to immediate sure thing contributors at 1/2 this draft as possible.