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Wally The Barber
03-22-2017, 12:43 PM
The 2016 season made it clear — the Buffalo Bills (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/buffalo-bills) needed to make upgrades to their wide receiver group in 2017, both in the quality and quantity departments. They lost Robert Woods (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193391/robert-woods) and Marquise Goodwin (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193499/marquise-goodwin) — starters in 2016 — in free agency, and gained Andre Holmes (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/133455/andre-holmes), Philly Brown, and Jeremy Butler (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245933/jeremy-butler).
Woods is a fine talent who wasn’t able to consistently produce in Buffalo. Some believe that was mostly on the quarterbacks he had. Others believe it was mainly due to a lack of top-level upside or physical ability. To me, the true culprit of Woods’ unreliability lands somewhere in between those two schools of thought.
There was almost no doubt Goodwin would sign elsewhere after a four-year stint with the Bills in which he had significant issues staying healthy and developing into a steady target at the intermediate level or on the deep ball.
Soon after free agency began, Goodwin signed with the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/san-francisco-49ers). His deal with San Francisco compared to what Buffalo paid for Holmes, Brown, and Butler is fascinating.


San Francisco 49ers
Marquise Goodwin
2 years, $6 million
Average per year: $3 million
Buffalo Bills
Andre Holmes
3 years, $5.15 million
Average per year: $1.76 million
Philly Brown
1 year, $690,000
Average per year: $690,00


Jeremy Butler
1 year, $625,000
Annual per year: $625,000
Combined annual per year payments of Holmes, Brown, and Butler: $3.08 million
Buffalo managed to sign three wideouts for the price of Goodwin to sign in San Francisco with the 49ers. With the NFL salary cap now at $167 million, the extra 80,000 for the Bills in this equation is essentially chump change. Also, Goodwin has $2 million in incentives that are reportedly “very much in reach.” (http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/3/8/14846168/marquise-goodwin-contract-salary-49ers-2017)
There are some things to keep in mind. Butler and Brown are on one-year contracts. Also, the 49ers went into free agency with a ridiculous amount of cap space, so there’s an argument out there that they kinda-sorta had to spend big. Although there’s also a logical argument that frivolous spending shouldn’t ever happen, regardless of cap room.
In his four-year NFL career, Goodwin has appeared in 39 games. He’s caught 49 passes for 780 yards with six touchdowns. That equates to 1.3 receptions and 20 yards receiving per game.
Over the past four years — in 58 games — with the Raiders (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/oakland-raiders), Holmes has 100 grabs, 1,450 yards, and 12 touchdowns, which equals 1.7 catches and 25 receiving yards per outing.
Brown had 79 receptions for 1,019 yards and seven scores in 43 games over a three-year stretch with the Panthers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/carolina-panthers). That’s 1.7 snags and 23.7 yards per contest.
Butler is the least experienced and least productive member here but the most efficient. In 12 career NFL games, he has 33 catches and 373 yards. That equates to 2.8 receptions and 31.2 yards per game.
The Bills had a decent amount of money to spend in free agency, and there’s no doubting their shrewd way they counteracted Goodwin’s departure.




http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/3/22/15020350/buffalo-bills-andre-holmes-philly-brown-jeremy-butler-free-agency-doug-whaley-49ers-marquise-goodwin

The King
03-22-2017, 01:35 PM
Time will tell if this means anything. Goodwin was certainly progressing, but his hands were still that of a mid-level college receiver. It wont be hard for any of these guys to surpass his production but the speed factor surely forced defenses to account for Goodwin. With these scrubs most coaches will just let their scrubs cover them until they prove they can do anything.

justasportsfan
03-22-2017, 01:36 PM
Pegula is cheap

Bill Cody
03-22-2017, 02:23 PM
I got a bargain! I had dinner at McDonald's!

BillsFanCupp38
03-22-2017, 09:22 PM
Goodwin stinks like monkey butt

Goobylal
03-22-2017, 09:28 PM
And all 3 have been more productive players than Marquise Goodwin.

Cali512
03-22-2017, 10:11 PM
The problem is last year we went into the preseason with arguably better WRs

Little-Hankersin-Boykin
Philly-Holmes-Butler

Along with having Woods

I do like Philly and Holmes but worry that this is identical to what we rolled with last year

Mace
03-22-2017, 10:16 PM
We win the bargain shopper trophy because we're forced to shop for bargains against a team with 5 times the cap space.

Woo.

Cali512
03-22-2017, 10:23 PM
We win the bargain shopper trophy because we're forced to shop for bargains against a team with 5 times the cap space.

Woo.

Mace
03-22-2017, 10:30 PM
Nah, I'll end up looking stupid for saying it and you can heckle me. It's my gift to you.

Cali512
03-22-2017, 10:34 PM
Nah, I'll end up looking stupid for saying it and you can heckle me. It's my gift to you.

My phone does it all the time. If I press enter to put my cursor lower it sometimes will post the reply before I can write on it. I was going to agree with you in part

Forward_Lateral
03-23-2017, 06:05 AM
How does a guy who's played like 8 games in 3 years get 3 million a year?

Historian
03-23-2017, 06:22 AM
Other than that bomb he caught against the Jets on Thursday Night, I honestly don't remember him doing much here...

Goobylal
03-23-2017, 10:11 AM
The Bills will be able to, and probably will, get the best WR in the draft. And he'll be far better and cheaper than Woods.

swiper
03-23-2017, 11:06 AM
Wally saw this posted elsewhere.


Chris Trapasso
@ChrisTrapasso

Cost for #Bills to sign Andre Holmes, Philly Brown, and Jeremy Butler = Marquise Goodwin's deal with 49ers. Amazing.

BertSquirtgum
03-23-2017, 01:07 PM
The only thing Bills fans will remember about Marquise Goodwin is that he was hurt more than Roscoe Parish. That, in itself, is a feat. Goodwin ****ing blows and I'm so happy he's off the roster of my favorite team.

elroy16
03-23-2017, 01:28 PM
I'm honestly shocked that Goodwin got anything besides vet minimum. He's a one trick pony who struggles to stay healthy, I'm baffled how he ended up getting $6 million. Good for him, I'm just glad it wasn't on the Bills.


Holmes might not have the burner speed, but has much better size, has been healthy, can play special teams, and came at roughly half the cost. Seems like the Bills got the much better deal here.

Luisito23
03-23-2017, 01:56 PM
I know right...

Also, what a surprise he stays somewhat healthy on a contract year...:whistle:

Mouldsie
03-23-2017, 05:16 PM
Goodwin's effect on a defense is more substantial than all 3 however. His production might be spotty (partly because of misuse) but the D must account for his deep speed threat. John Lynch and Kyle Shannahan know a LITTLE bit about football.

Goobylal
03-23-2017, 07:50 PM
Goodwin's effect on a defense is more substantial than all 3 however. His production might be spotty (partly because of misuse) but the D must account for his deep speed threat. John Lynch and Kyle Shannahan know a LITTLE bit about football.

Kolby Listenbee is bigger and faster. He can fill the Goodwin role.

Mouldsie
03-24-2017, 12:30 AM
Kolby Listenbee is bigger and faster. He can fill the Goodwin role.

He might be able to help fill that role (as can a healthy Sammy), but he's not faster. Goodwin is one of the fastest players in the league and posted one of the best 40 times at the combine's history at 4.27 (and was more productive at the collegiate level than KL)

Forward_Lateral
03-24-2017, 06:11 AM
Goodwin's effect on a defense is more substantial than all 3 however. His production might be spotty (partly because of misuse) but the D must account for his deep speed threat. John Lynch and Kyle Shannahan know a LITTLE bit about football.

All they have to do to account for him is look on the Injury Report under the "OUT" category.

swiper
03-24-2017, 06:33 AM
Kolby Listenbee is bigger and faster. He can fill the Goodwin role.

Faster than Goodwin? I don't think so.

Goobylal
03-24-2017, 12:31 PM
You're right, Listenbee isn't faster. But he's got plenty of speed.

stuckincincy
03-24-2017, 09:21 PM
Pegula is cheap

And players are greedy. Players got jealous over rookie contracts, so pushed and got the rookie cap.

Now they are unhappy that teams are dumping FAs in favor of the cheap rookies, and meeting their cap minimum requirements by inking a handful of marquee nameswith to big $$$ contracts.

Skooby
03-25-2017, 02:33 AM
Lucky they don't count Dareus' team food bill against the cap or we'd only be able to afford Rocket Ismail & Gibran Hamdan (he's only 36) for our offensive threats.