Thanks Doug Whaley......Bills will not get any Comp picks for losing Gilmore, Woods

[DraftCzar]

Today was the deadline for any free agent signings to affect next year’s compensatory pick total.

Because the Bills/Doug Whaley signed several unrestricted Free Agents, more than the Bills lost to other teams, the Bills will not get any Compensatory Picks in 2018 draft.


In other news, the Cardinals and Packers did really well:

As NFL teams consider whether to sign free agents, an often-overlooked aspect of the decision-making process is attaining compensatory picks the following year. This year, no team better set itself up for compensatory picks than the Cardinals.

the Cardinals will have the best haul of compensatory picks in 2018. According to OverTheCap.com, the Cardinals will likely receive (https://overthecap.com/2018-compensatory-draft-picks-update-592017/) four picks for free agents who signed elsewhere this offseason: a third-round pick for Calais Campbell (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4628/calais-campbell), a fourth-round pick for Tony Jefferson (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8653/tony-jefferson), a sixth-round pick for Marcus Cooper (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8641/marcus-cooper) and a sixth-round pick for D.J. Swearinger (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8455/dj-swearinger).

The Packers, who always do well on compensatory picks, are expected to pick up a third-round pick for T.J. Lang (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5343/tj-lang), a fifth-round pick for J.C. Tretter (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8543/jc-tretter) and a sixth-round pick for Eddie Lacy (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8382/eddie-lacy). And four other teams are expected to get third-round compensatory picks: The Texans for A.J. Bouye (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9104/aj-bouye), the Broncos for Russell Okung (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5632/russell-okung), the Bengals for Kevin Zeitler (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7523/kevin-zeitler) and the Ravens for Ricky Wagner. And even though the Bills lost Stephon Gilmore to the Patriots, the Bills will not get a pick. On the other hand the Patriots are slated to get two comp picks.

Cinncy is slated to get three picks. A 3rd, a 5th and a 7th.

It’s not a certainty that it will end up that way. The NFL doesn’t publish the compensatory pick formula, so no one knows for sure exactly how they’re awarded. And the awarding of 2018 compensatory picks is based in part on free agents’ playing time during the 2017 season, so this can still change.


FOR MORE INFO: https://overthecap.com/2018-compensatory-draft-picks-update-592017

[yordad]

This seriously has to be wrong.

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The bills lost half their roster and signed camp competition.

[DraftCzar]

Doug - Here is how the Patriots do it when signing free agents.......


Posted by Darin Gantt on May 9, 2017, 4:02 PM EDT

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The Patriots continue to look at role players, in advance of the time they might actually sign some without risking compensatory picks.
According to Mike Reiss of ESPN.com, the Patriots hosted (https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/862031076218331137) veteran linebacker Andrew Gachkar (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6737/andrew-gachkar) Tuesday.

The 28-year-old Gachkar spent the last two seasons with the Cowboys, after playing his first four years with the Chargers.

He’s been known as a solid player against the run, and fits with the kind of role players they’ve recently taken a look at.

Also, any players who sign after today don’t impact the formula for next year’s comp picks, which are calculated by net losses in unrestricted free agency.

[PrimeTime]

Doug is gone.. get over what happened in the past.. move on..

[Albany,n.y.]

So, according to the OP's logic, the key to success in the NFL is lose as many free agents as you can, sign no free agents yourself until mid-May, and pile up comp picks, which don't even start until the end of the 3rd round. I'm glad DraftCzar isn't Beane or McDermott.

[Night Train]

Good God.

I'm glad they don't sit and actually try to sign FA's to get better. Plus Bills have 2 1st round picks next year. Top comp picks at the end of a round are basically early next round picks...like the 4th round at best.

Like that's the difference between 2-4 wins. Seriously ? It's still your top 3 picks, QB play and coaching schemes that win in the NFL.

[Night Train]

late round draft picks to many..

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[DraftCzar]

Another reason Bill Belicheat is smarter than Doug Whaley:

Patriots made May 9 tender offer to LeGarrette Blount

Posted by Mike Florio on May 10, 2017, 3:10 PM EDT



With the passing of May 9 came the expiration of the impact of free-agency contracts upon the compensatory draft-pick formula. With one important exception.

For any teams that made a tender offer to any of its unrestricted free agents before May 9, the team secures two key rights, per a league source with knowledge of the situation.

First, the team acquires exclusive negotiating rights with the player, if he doesn’t sign elsewhere before July 22. From July 22 through the Tuesday after Week 10 of the regular season, the player can sign only with his prior team. Second, if the May 9 tender is made and the player signs with a new team before July 22, the transaction counts toward the compensatory draft pick formula for 2018.

The Patriots, PFT has learned, made the May 9 tender to running back LeGarrette Blount (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5854/legarrette-blount). The offer amounts to 110 percent of his total pay in 2016, which was $1 million.

It’s a rarely-used device. Over the years since the free agency system was put in place, similar offers have been made only a handful of times.

So Blount has an offer of $1.1 million for one year, and if he signs elsewhere before July 22, the departure will count toward New England’s compensatory draft picks. After July 22, he can only sign with the Patriots for 2017.
Blount has been linked in recent days to the Lions and the Giants.

[DraftCzar]

So, according to the OP's logic, the key to success in the NFL is lose as many free agents as you can, sign no free agents yourself until mid-May, and pile up comp picks, which don't even start until the end of the 3rd round. I'm glad DraftCzar isn't Beane or McDermott.
That is not the point.

The point is you should be thinking of your roster out at least a year in advance and, IF POSSIBLE, make moves that will benefit you in terms of accumulating additional comp picks.

Smart people (GMs) think a couple of moves ahead. Dumb GMs are reactive and sign slug Free Agents like Ryan Harris to duct tape a need, cancelling out the 3rd round draft pick we could have gotten for losing Stephon Gilmore (and we only lost Gilmore because the Cap Space was mismanaged by Whaley. Believe me if Gilmore sucks, Belicheat would not have signed him).

In the end, no one in the front office was thinking a year ago about our roster this spring. Hopefully Beane is smarter about Comp Picks.

Again, you can be smart about when and who you sign as Free Agents. For example WR Michael Floyd was signed today by the Vikings and will NOT count against them getting comp picks because May 9th was the cut off. Smart.

[The Beef]

If we wanted Gilmore at 16M a year he could've been had. You restructure Glenn and we have a ton of cap room the next 2 years.

I agree building through the draft is the way to go.

Signing a CB for 16M a year to a 6 win team is not.

[Turf]

Our former GM had no clue our coach might be in trouble. You certainly can't expect him to look further down the road and plan ahead for cap issues and the like. That's complicated.

[GingerP]

So, NE, who actually signed Gilmore as a FA, get an extra 4th and 5th, and possibly another if Blount signs with a team before July 22? Seems fair.

[Pinkerton Security]

That is not the point.

The point is you should be thinking of your roster out at least a year in advance and, IF POSSIBLE, make moves that will benefit you in terms of accumulating additional comp picks.

Smart people (GMs) think a couple of moves ahead. Dumb GMs are reactive and sign slug Free Agents like Ryan Harris to duct tape a need, cancelling out the 3rd round draft pick we could have gotten for losing Stephon Gilmore (and we only lost Gilmore because the Cap Space was mismanaged by Whaley. Believe me if Gilmore sucks, Belicheat would not have signed him).

In the end, no one in the front office was thinking a year ago about our roster this spring. Hopefully Beane is smarter about Comp Picks.

Again, you can be smart about when and who you sign as Free Agents. For example WR Michael Floyd was signed today by the Vikings and will NOT count against them getting comp picks because May 9th was the cut off. Smart.


You seem to have a boner for Belicheat.

[Skooby]

You seem to have a boner for Belicheat.

He seems to realize that pennies add up to dollars and the Bills are always a few games away or a few points from winning important games during the year, so maybe it's time we pick up the change. Bill B doesn't miss much and we need to start looking for an edge versus getting the edge of the blade.

[Albany,n.y.]

That is not the point.

The point is you should be thinking of your roster out at least a year in advance and, IF POSSIBLE, make moves that will benefit you in terms of accumulating additional comp picks.

Smart people (GMs) think a couple of moves ahead. Dumb GMs are reactive and sign slug Free Agents like Ryan Harris to duct tape a need, cancelling out the 3rd round draft pick we could have gotten for losing Stephon Gilmore (and we only lost Gilmore because the Cap Space was mismanaged by Whaley. Believe me if Gilmore sucks, Belicheat would not have signed him).

In the end, no one in the front office was thinking a year ago about our roster this spring. Hopefully Beane is smarter about Comp Picks.

Again, you can be smart about when and who you sign as Free Agents. For example WR Michael Floyd was signed today by the Vikings and will NOT count against them getting comp picks because May 9th was the cut off. Smart.

Why didn't the Patriots wait until now to sign Gilmore? The reason is he was too highly regarded. The guys who are signing now aren't highly regarded, otherwise they would have been signed already. The guys left are the dregs of free agency & not worth comp picks.

How could Whaley look a year ahead when he was always on thin ice? He had to try to do the best thing now because he feared there was no tomorrow. The new management isn't under the gun like Whaley was and don't have to think in terms of just the next day.

[Joe Fo Sho]

He seems to realize that pennies add up to dollars and the Bills are always a few games away or a few points from winning important games during the year, so maybe it's time we pick up the change. Bill B doesn't miss much and we need to start looking for an edge versus getting the edge of the blade.

He's comparing a GM who just got fired from a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 17 years to one of the best GMs in the history of the NFL. His point is really just that the Bills GM wasn't good enough, which we all should know by now. There's no need to bring up Belichick like no one knows that he does things it the right way.

If we want to start a thread about each individual way that Whaley screwed up during his tenure here, the front page would be flooded. Complaining about comp picks is like the thread crying about losing Gillislee, it's just a drop in the bucket. We should be worrying about drafting solid 4th - 7th round picks before we cry about not being given enough extra low round picks.

I'm also not sure why Doug is getting the blame for not getting any extra comp picks this year. We seem to all be under the impression that McDermott was running the draft, why are we so sure that Whaley was in charge of free agency?

[DesertFox24]

Sean McDerrmott was running the show not Doug. This is the product of constant coaching changes needing new players.

Who cares about comp picks not a big deal to be honest.

[Buddo]

Sean McDerrmott was running the show not Doug. This is the product of constant coaching changes needing new players.

Who cares about comp picks not a big deal to be honest.

Although I agree with the rest as well, the nail is hit on the head by the constant coaching changes needing new players. Blaming Whaley for that, is pretty ingenuous as well, as he actually never hired or fired a HC in his time with the Bills.

Tbh, the whole 'compensatory picks' thing, has just become another failed attempt by the NFL to create parity. Good teams are able to let high priced FAs go, and get extra picks, whereas the poorer teams have to pay the money to get better players.

Ultimately, you simply have to draft well, retain those guys you drafted well, assuming they aren't asking stupid money, and spend wisely in FA, to plug roster holes.

There actually shouldn't be any debate about retaining Gilmore, at all. While I'm sure he's capable of playing in any type of system, his value isn't north of $10 million per, if he's going to be employed exclusively in zone coverage schemes.

[Turf]

I think Pegula finally got it right with both the Sabres and Bills. Both are solid GM hires and bode for a good future.

[sudzy]

So, according to the OP's logic, the key to success in the NFL is lose as many free agents as you can, sign no free agents yourself until mid-May, and pile up comp picks, which don't even start until the end of the 3rd round. I'm glad DraftCzar isn't Beane or McDermott.


The point is that a guy like Ryan Davis could cancel out Gilmore. I sure they could have found a street FA as good as Davis wouldn't count. Would we be better off with Ryan Davis or a 3rd round draft choice? Little things like this, are the things New England does better then anyone.

[The Jokeman]

The point is that a guy like Ryan Davis could cancel out Gilmore. I sure they could have found a street FA as good as Davis wouldn't count. Would we be better off with Ryan Davis or a 3rd round draft choice? Little things like this, are the things New England does better then anyone.

The Patriots also make trades because they're pretty bad at drafting. One thing I will give them credit is finding reasonably priced guys that they can plug and play into their system. They also aren't afraid to trade talented guys they'd more likely lose as UFAs. Yet honestly without Brady or Belichick I don't think anyone buy into the Patriots philosophy. As those two are easily best at their respective positions and what make the Patriots elite.

[GingerP]

Who cares about comp picks not a big deal to be honest.

They are a little more valuable now, because they can be traded. Extra late-round picks can come in handy if you want to move up.

Also, they are extra chances, and since the draft is really a lottery they have the potential to pay off big. After all, Tom Brady was selected with a compensatory pick.

[BertSquirtgum]

He seems to realize that pennies add up to dollars and the Bills are always a few games away or a few points from winning important games during the year, so maybe it's time we pick up the change. Bill B doesn't miss much and we need to start looking for an edge versus getting the edge of the blade.

Who's to say that Mr. Beane and McDermott won't.

[Joe Fo Sho]

They are a little more valuable now, because they can be traded. Extra late-round picks can come in handy if you want to move up.

Also, they are extra chances, and since the draft is really a lottery they have the potential to pay off big. After all, Tom Brady was selected with a compensatory pick.

It sucks that we didn't have a compensatory draft pick until the 7th round in 2000. Can you imagine if the Bills had a chance to draft Tom Brady??

[Albany,n.y.]

The point is that a guy like Ryan Davis could cancel out Gilmore. I sure they could have found a street FA as good as Davis wouldn't count. Would we be better off with Ryan Davis or a 3rd round draft choice? Little things like this, are the things New England does better then anyone.

Ryan Davis does not cancel out Gilmore. The formula is based, among other things, on the contract that the free agent signed. The Bills are paying Davis a lot less than Gilmore, Davis was an undrafted free agent who bounced around the league while Gilmore was a former #1 pick. If each was the only FA signed & lost by the Bills, the Bills would still be getting a comp pick for Gilmore. Below is a good article on comp picks. After you read it, you might understand why Ryan Davis by himself won't cancel out Gilmore.

From article:
As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

[DesertFox24]

They are a little more valuable now, because they can be traded. Extra late-round picks can come in handy if you want to move up.

Also, they are extra chances, and since the draft is really a lottery they have the potential to pay off big. After all, Tom Brady was selected with a compensatory pick.

Yes a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. My point is historically unless it is a third round comp and even those how often do comp picks turn out to be anything. Now that you can trade them they do have more value I understand that. That said I would assume an UFA to have more of an impact than a comp pick.

Until we get a QB and a long time coach and GM who can install their vision and system we will see this pattern.

[GingerP]

Yes a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. My point is historically unless it is a third round comp and even those how often do comp picks turn out to be anything. Now that you can trade them they do have more value I understand that. That said I would assume an UFA to have more of an impact than a comp pick.

They are extra draft picks, and can be valuable because you get extra shots at getting good players. How is that not valuable? There have been a lot of good players who were comp picks, like Brian Dawkins, Hines Ward, Larry Allen, La'Roi Glover, Marques Colston, Matt Hasselbeck, Antoine Bethea, Pierre Garcon, Mike Vrabel, Josh Sitton, Edwin Mulitalo, Yeremiah Bell, etc. The Bills drafted Jonas Jennings with a comp pick. They should always be a consideration in free agency, for a smart team.

[DraftCzar]

Ryan Davis does not cancel out Gilmore.

The formula is based, among other things, on the contract that the free agent signed. The Bills are paying Davis a lot less than Gilmore, Davis was an undrafted free agent who bounced around the league while Gilmore was a former #1 pick. If each was the only FA signed & lost by the Bills, the Bills would still be getting a comp pick for Gilmore. Below is a good article on comp picks. After you read it, you might understand why Ryan Davis by himself won't cancel out Gilmore.

Actual Ryan Davis could cancel out Steppin Gilmore.

The contract of Gilmore is not considered, UNLESS the Bills have a NET loss of FAs.
By signing Davis, we don't have a NET loss. Therefore Gilmore is cancelled out.

Gilmore's contract would come into play if we signed fewer FAs.

....I know it is a confusing rule. But the thing to remember is contracts, etc. play NO PART unless you sign fewer than you lose.

[DraftCzar]

They are extra draft picks, and can be valuable because you get extra shots at getting good players. How is that not valuable? There have been a lot of good players who were comp picks, like Brian Dawkins, Hines Ward, Larry Allen, La'Roi Glover, Marques Colston, Matt Hasselbeck, Antoine Bethea, Pierre Garcon, Mike Vrabel, Josh Sitton, Edwin Mulitalo, Yeremiah Bell, etc. The Bills drafted Jonas Jennings with a comp pick. They should always be a consideration in free agency, for a smart team.
Yes Ginger, good post.

Smart teams at least consider the potential of getting a comp pick when thinking of signing a UFA.

I would definitely take a 3rd round comp pick in next year's draft.

This year some of the 3rd round comp picks were:

Tankersley, Cordrea, CB
Williams, Chad, WR
Douglas, Rasul, CB
Hendrickson, Trey, OLB
Smith, Jonnu, TE


I would take anyone of those guys. Especially Rasul Douglas, CB West Virginia. I think he has a shot.

[Buddo]

Due to roster re-building, courtesy of the latest coaching changes, we probably won't have any comp picks in 2019 either. Once you get a good team put together, then you can start nit-picking about comp picks, until then......

[DraftCzar]

Today LaGarrette Blount was signed by another team, so the Patriots might get a comp pick for losing him in Free Agency.

This was pure Belicheat. He just recently floated Blount out there under an obscure rule that apparently only Belicheat bothered to read in the rule book.

[yordad]

Just read this somewhere but lost the link.....
Buffalo: They loaded up on low-level CFAs to give them a lost/gained difference of -2–five CFAs lost, seven CFAs gained. Five of those seven signed CFAs (Stephen Hauschka, Patrick DiMarco, Andre Holmes, Vladimir Ducasse and Ryan Harris) are currently projected to be valued as 7th rounders in the compensatory formula. If the Bills cut three of those five players before Week 10 (thus getting positive in their ratio), they would pick up a 3rd round comp pick for Stephon Gilmore. If they cut four of the five, they would also pick up a 4th round comp pick for Robert Woods. Only the Bills can decide for themselves if cutting this many veterans is worth picking up draft picks next year. Buffalo could also get some help if former Bills Justin Hunter, Robert Blanton, and EJ Manuel play a high enough number of non-special teams snaps to qualify for the compensatory formula. However, that’s not a hope they should place in high regard since it’s out of their control.

[yordad]

Who the hell is Ryan Harris?

[Albany,n.y.]

Who the hell is Ryan Harris?

OL who just retired from the Steelers earlier in the year. Whaley must have signed him so he could retire as a Bill even though he never played for the Bills.