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  • TigerJ
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 22575

    Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason




    I don't have ESPN Insider to read the original article, but the above is an intermediate link, and Chris Trapasso will give you a thumbnail of Schatz argument. Schatz, BTW is the founder of Football outsiders. His point - Buffalo is worse because they lost 2 CBs, 2 WRs and Mike Gillislee. I think that's a pretty shallow argument, personally. Stephon Gilmore is a clear loss, but it is not as big as it might be because Gilmore is a weak tackling man cover corner, who is not a great fit for a zone coverage defense that places a premium on physicality and tackling. The new CB is going to have a learning curve, but he is a better fit. I also expect to see good things from Kevon Seymour this season. He was a pleasant surprise a year ago, and I think we'll see a significant bump in his play. I think by midseason cornerback play will be improved versus 2016.

    I also liked Robert Woods, but he was never a key to WR productivity for the Bills. The keys, IMO are QB play and Sammy Watkins' health. Zay Jones may need an adjustment before he's the equal of Woods as a #2, but his athleticism and skill set are potentially superior. I think at the #3 through #5 or 6 spots, Buffalo has better depth now. Listenbee will hopefully be healthy and we can see what he has. Holmes is superior to Hunter, Streater can surprise, and there is more experience.

    Gillislee was good for the Bills, but I don't think he is an irreplaceable difference maker. Buffalo has potentially better short yardage backs, a run friendly system, better offensive line play (I think Dawkins is going to surprise), and potentially better D-line play. The main question for me is at weak side linebacker. Hodges looks like the starter, not because he's got a champion pedigree, but because the Bills have nobody better. We'll see.
    I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

    I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.
  • cookie G
    Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 7573

    #2
    Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

    The major holes look to have been filled, with a possible upgrade to the right side of the oline. But they are being filled by rookies, so there is going to be uncertainity.

    Im more worried about inevitable scheme changes, "buying in", comeplete teardowns of things that were working, etc.

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    • Night Train
      Retired - On Several Levels
      • Jul 2005
      • 33117

      #3
      Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

      It's OK. He's just expressing an opinion.

      The coach, his schemes and the execution is everything. Camp and pre-season need to happen.
      Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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      • ParanoidAndroid
        My battery is low and it's getting dark.
        • Apr 2004
        • 16862

        #4
        Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

        Those big pieces that we lost were known contributors. We know precisely what we will be missing. Replacing them with question marks amid a new coaching staff, system changes, and a lot of youth makes me think we're not as good, either. I don't think it would necessarily translate to a significant difference in wins/losses if we had a similar difficulty level in our schedule compared to last year given the awfulness Ryan created.

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        • endzone
          Registered User
          • Dec 2016
          • 242

          #5
          Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

          I don't see how they could get worse by losing anyone!

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          • Cali512
            Registered User
            • Jan 2012
            • 6393

            #6
            Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

            Gilmore was picked on by the jets and patriots when we played them. He's not that great
            Not here to be right, just here to have interesting discussions about my impulsive opinions

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            • OpIv37
              Acid Douching Asswipe
              • Sep 2002
              • 101313

              #7
              Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

              He's right. Who do we have that's better than what we lost? Answer: maybe some draft picks. But let's face it- this team doesn't have a stellar draft history and Whaley wasn't fired til AFTER the draft, not to mention the entire scouting staff and Whaley himself knew they were getting the axe. That's not exactly when people do their best work.


              Unless this is the league's best draft of the last 30 years, we are worse than last year.
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              • Night Train
                Retired - On Several Levels
                • Jul 2005
                • 33117

                #8
                Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                Gilmore played well the last 6 games of 2016 (meaningless at that point) after looking bad the first 10 games.

                In a contract year, that didn't bode well in my eyes. 5 years- 65 Mil seems silly but because it's the Pats, it's less of a gamble for them, I suppose. All their moves were very out of character for them, which may be the thinking that their once in a lifetime QB is 40 years old and the window for continued success is getting very short.
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                • GingerP
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 1717

                  #9
                  Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                  Originally posted by Night Train View Post
                  which may be the thinking that their once in a lifetime QB is 40 years old and the window for continued success is getting very short.
                  Except... their backup may be the 2nd-best QB in the division.

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                  • kishoph
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 3157

                    #10
                    Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                    Concerning the roster, on paper it be hard to disagree with him. Fortunately the games not played on paper and hopefully with better coaching and better schemes the Bills can make up for those lost players.

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101313

                      #11
                      Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                      Originally posted by kishoph View Post
                      Concerning the roster, on paper it be hard to disagree with him. Fortunately the games not played on paper and hopefully with better coaching and better schemes the Bills can make up for those lost players.
                      not yet.

                      The O will probably be pretty similar. The D is switching schemes for what? the 4th time in 6 years? I lost track. And I don't think McDermott has the personnel to do what he wants to do at this point.
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                      • Goobylal
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 19371

                        #12
                        Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                        Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                        not yet.

                        The O will probably be pretty similar. The D is switching schemes for what? the 4th time in 6 years? I lost track. And I don't think McDermott has the personnel to do what he wants to do at this point.
                        He has most of it. SAM and MLB bear watching with Alexander and Ragland projected as starters there. Still I'd take it over a 3-4, that suits just a few players.

                        Moving back to the 4-3 is huge. I knew Rex would ruin the defense going to a 3-4.

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                        • Goobylal
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 19371

                          #13
                          Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                          And I think that at worst, the O will be the same. However I see upgrades in Jones, Holmes, and Brown at WR, DiMarco at FB, and Dawkins at RT.

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                          • MitchMurrayDowntown
                            Skoobasaurus-Rex
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 22284

                            #14
                            Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                            Worse in the schedule.

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                            • Topas
                              German smartass
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 880

                              #15
                              Re: Aaron Schatz thinks the Bills got worse this offseason

                              Worse players: we replaced contributers with question marks. They could turn out to be better. But probably not all and probably not immediately. So worse.
                              Better coaching. No explanation necessary. Kermit the frog would be in improvement over last year.

                              Dont know how this will turn out. I hope the schedule is hard enough that McDermott cannot get a lot of wins this year. Lets see.
                              Last edited by Topas; 06-01-2017, 01:42 AM.

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