Every NFL Team Collected 244 Mil In National Revenue in 2016

[Night Train]

7.8 Billion split among 32 teams

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-disclosure-shows-nfl-teams-split-a-record-7-8b-in-national-revenue-in-2016/

[SpikedLemonade]

That is why even an idiot like Russ Brandon can turn a profit.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

That is why even an idiot like Russ Brandon can turn a profit.

WhT are you talking about? He's a 'brilliant' businessman........ no one could do what he does.

[Zero]

WhT are you talking about? He's a 'brilliant' businessman........ no one could do what he does.


Not to mention, well connected...

[swiper]

Let's use that to re-sign Mario Williams!

Somebody tell him we went back to the 4-3!

He'll be a beast!

[/said BI and/or skooby]

[OpIv37]

That is why even an idiot like Russ Brandon can turn a profit.

Lmao. Good point on Brandon. It's pretty easy to be successful in business when you start every year $244 million in the black. And when you think about it, his job is to sell football to Americans and Canadians. The only thing easier is selling crack to addicts.

[Yasgur's Farm]

You all do realize that this is what determines salary cap... right? It's split like 49% 51%

[OpIv37]

You all do realize that this is what determines salary cap... right? It's split like 49% 51%

Salary cap is $167 million. Even if the cap money comes out of the $244 million, he's $77 million in the black with his biggest expense already paid.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Uh hah... And he pays his coaches, staff, travel expenses, etc. For Christ sake... the man put up $1.4 billion for this team... lighten up Frances.

[swiper]

All that money and still 7 - 9.

[DetDannyWilliams]

It’s not too early to get really worried about the next time the NFL and the players union are due back at the bargaining table (http://rd.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2F111.xg4ken.com%2Fmedia%2Fredir.php%3Fprof%3D5165%26camp%3D110976%26affcode%3Dkw8164499%26inhURL%3D%26url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.roomstogokids.com%252Fproduct%252FTables%252FMilo-White-Table%252F38007111%3Fcid%253Dps%253APG%257CCSE%257CKids+-+Furniture%257C38007111%2526utm_source%253Dshopzilla%2526utm_campaign%253DCSE+Kids%2526utm_content%253DKids+-+Furniture%2526utm_term%253D38007111%2526kpid%253D38007111%2526utm_medium%253DCSE%26zmam%3D47172543%26zmas%3D2%26zmac%3D42%26zmap%3D38007111&mid=51669&cat_id=8505&atom=8512&prod_id=&oid=6654411143&pos=1&b_id=18&bid_type=0&bamt=a5fedf14fd8fec0d&cobrand=1&ppr=846c5feb4bba8a0b&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=12&af_creative_id=2973&af_id=615103&af_placement_id=1&dv=6efb8dd146477471f98c2b8e58ea8385), as the end of the collective bargaining agreement after the 2020 season approaches.

It feels like a lot closer than three years away, actually. That's because the problems staring both sides in the face are staring them down right now, and they are serious. Shutting-down-the-sport serious. For both sides.

Problems like a couple of major advertisers … uh, well … pulling out.

Problems like upfront ad sales for the upcoming season (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-seeing-worst-tv-ad-commercial-sales-ratings-slump/9iavm52hu6q11ps4hifg9yqxg), especially from traditional sponsors like auto and movie companies, being … uh, well … the softest in nearly a decade, since the big recession, according to a recent report

Problems like regular-season ratings dipping over much of last season, and the anxiety over whether that was just an exception or not.

And problems like players loudly objecting (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-players-nba-payday-envy-begins-in-earnest/vwd7ubafr2pd157dnbg3gs2d0), for the second straight year (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-players-shocked-by-nba-free-agent-contracts-union-labor-agreement-non-guaranteed-mike-conley/qm8sfj3v8ay71jglz8oqqvd0c), to how much less their stars (and others) are getting paid compared to those in the NBA.
There already were a stack of issues the union is ready to bring to the table that have gone on throughout the current labor deal: player discipline, concussions, the drug policy, Thursday night games.

But above and beyond those, these deals are about splitting the money. That’s what keeps bringing these sports to a screeching halt every several years; from 1998 to 2011, the NFL, NBA and NHL had a combined five lockouts. That’s the owners’ big stick, and clearly they haven’t been afraid to swing it.
The NFL players haven't wielded their own big stick since the 1987 strike, the year of the scab games. The next time things got fractious enough for a season to be threatened, the owners flexed their muscles.
This time, both sides have ample reason to flex theirs.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bad-news-for-nfl-owners-and-players-now-is-a-bad-omen-for-labor-deal-later/ar-BBEiAld?ocid=spartanntp

[stuckincincy]

Income inequality is sooooo unfair. :maggie:

..."Nobody should be surprised by the amount of money the NFL and its teams are bringing in -- especially with added revenue of relocation fees. But it is noteworthy because it comes at a time when NFL players are becoming increasingly vocal about the state of their contracts. As NBA players have landed monster contracts this summer, NFL players have used social media to point out the disparity in contracts. They want more money.

One example: James Harden just signed a new contract with the Houston Rockets that's worth a reported $228 million. Meanwhile, Derek Carr just signed a new contract with the Oakland Raiders that's worth a reported $125 million. Harden is a better player relative to his peers than Carr, but he's not $100 million better. "

[YardRat]

Salary cap is $167 million. Even if the cap money comes out of the $244 million, he's $77 million in the black with his biggest expense already paid.

The salary cap is not equal to the actual fiscal year expenses booked as player salary line item. Real money spent could be more, or less. Also if you dig a little deeper into the links you can see additional numbers from Green Bay's books that indicates at least that team has approximately $210mil in expenses over and above player salaries.

[Night Train]

These huge TV deals may be reduced a bit. The Networks are going far too deep into the red bidding for them. If the NFL continues to believe there is no ceiling to the supposed increased asking price, they are in for a major wakeup call.

The Networks aren't coming even close to getting the advertising $ back during the regular season and the single exception (SB game) cannot garner that much back.

[OpIv37]

The salary cap is not equal to the actual fiscal year expenses booked as player salary line item. Real money spent could be more, or less. Also if you dig a little deeper into the links you can see additional numbers from Green Bay's books that indicates at least that team has approximately $210mil in expenses over and above player salaries.

Point being? His job is still to sell football to people who are predisposed to loving football with a $244 million head start.

[YardRat]

Point being? His job is still to sell football to people who are predisposed to loving football with a $244 million head start.

It may not be a $244 million head start. If a team pays out $50mil in signing bonuses in one year that may book as $10mil for NFL salary cap calculations but the financials are going to show the entire amount of cash that was disbursed. That's another $40mil off the head start. Just for argument sake assuming the 'other' expenses for Buffalo are similar to Green Bay, all of a sudden you are (244 minus 40 minus 210) 6mil in the red and working off of local revenues because the league revenues are already 'gone'. That's the point.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Brandon is a genius (although I admit I am one of those that thinks he is doing a decent job on the business side), but the business only sells itself to a certain point.

[Joe Fo Sho]

His job is still to sell football to people who are predisposed to loving football with a $244 million head start.

Right, that is his job. Just because it's easy doesn't mean he's bad at it, and if the owner(s) of this football team would keep his job responsibilities to that and only that, we'd probably never complain about the guy again.

[Ingtar33]

Income inequality is sooooo unfair. :maggie:

..."Nobody should be surprised by the amount of money the NFL and its teams are bringing in -- especially with added revenue of relocation fees. But it is noteworthy because it comes at a time when NFL players are becoming increasingly vocal about the state of their contracts. As NBA players have landed monster contracts this summer, NFL players have used social media to point out the disparity in contracts. They want more money.

One example: James Harden just signed a new contract with the Houston Rockets that's worth a reported $228 million. Meanwhile, Derek Carr just signed a new contract with the Oakland Raiders that's worth a reported $125 million. Harden is a better player relative to his peers than Carr, but he's not $100 million better. "

13 players on an NBA squad
41 home games
8-14 home playoff games
Local TV contracts + national tv contracts
2.7billion/year TV contract with ESPN+TNT

53 players on an NFL squad
8 home games
0-3 home playoff games
national tv contract
7.8 billion/year TV contract (CBS/ABC/FOX/ESPN)

There are several problems the NFL has that make its finances vastly different from the NBA.
1) most NBA teams operate in the RED or close to it. For example the Cavs were 40 mil in the hole last year
2) 5x more players on an nfl squad to divide a pot that's only 3x larger (tv contract of the nfl is x3 larger than nba)
3) there are 22 starters in the NFL who require starter money, the nba has just 5, and of those 5 only 2 or 3 on most teams really require "starter" money.
4) the NBA salary cap is a "soft cap" thanks to Bird exemption $$
5) NBA salaries are guaranteed

the math doesn't work out. even if the NFL players were taking 100% of the TV money they'd be making less than the NBA players, and their teams would be losing money. They'd need a significantly bigger TV deal to make this math work, plus a longer season with more home games.

[Historian]

These huge TV deals may be reduced a bit. The Networks are going far too deep into the red bidding for them. If the NFL continues to believe there is no ceiling to the supposed increased asking price, they are in for a major wakeup call.
The Networks aren't coming even close to getting the advertising $ back during the regular season and the single exception (SB game) cannot garner that much back.

I agree, Train.

And what I find ironic about that, is that these days we are inundated with more commercials than ever.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

I agree, Train.

And what I find ironic about that, is that these days we are inundated with more commercials than ever.

yea, because they have no choice because the bidding is so high.

one thing for sure, the NFL is guilty of arrogance just like you said train. believing this gravy train will never come to an end