RJ Comments on Flutie/Johnson Controversy.

[BidsJr]

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.html

I was an RJ guy at the time. Wow is all I can say about this.

[Thurmal]

I was an RJ guy also; he had a few great games here. Flutie really benefitted by playing with some GREAT defenses here. By the end of his tenure, he was turning the ball over a lot, especially in the red zone.

[Cali512]

Rj padded stats when the game was over, Flutie on the other hand had that russel Wilson intangible of making a play when it was most needed

[justasportsfan]

Your personal stats dont matter if you are not able to get your teammates to play hard for you.

That IMO was the difference between Flutie and RJ. Even Reuben Brown kinda said something to that degree.

When you dink and dunk and would rather take a sack than throw, you stats will look good to some degree.

Talking about Tyrod on the other thread throwing only to open receivers is the same.

Flutie didn't have an arm but he didn't have a problem throwing to a covered Moulds who made Flutie look better.

[sukie]

Enough of the RJ crap. RJ is a legend involved in another sport.

[Cali512]

Enough of the RJ crap. RJ is a legend involved in another sport.

Agreed. It was sorta annoying to open up a RJ thread and see Ron Johnson.

[sukie]

Agreed. It was sorta annoying to open up a RJ thread and see Ron Johnson.

Even funnier with the "ron" in there.

[The Jokeman]

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/rob_johnson_still_seems_upset_about_losing_buffalo_bills_qb_job_to_doug_flutie.html

I was an RJ guy at the time. Wow is all I can say about this.

As an RJ at the time, and admit to co creating a website called Flutie Haters, I don't know what the Wow is for? Everything RJ stated is truth. To the people don't think the team played hard for RJ I need to ask do you remember the great offensive performance had against the Rams in Week 3 of 1998 that we only lost because RJ got hurt and wasn't able to complete the game and Doug couldn't run out the clock? Or that RJ lead the Bills to a win against the undefeated 49ers in Week 4? Or that the offense put a clinic against the Saints in the 1998 season finale and again in the 1999 season finale against the Colts that Doug lost to in Week 1? Of course not because they're blurred because of the media hype surrounding the little engine that could that was Flutie. Say what you want but RJ played well for a QB with 1 NFL start when he came here but his biggest downfall was his inability to stay healthy.

[Homegrown]

What a wonderful discussion ... What car was better? Mercury Lynx or Ford Escort - oh yeah, they were pretty much on the same level of suck-ability

[Night Train]

If you went to camp and saw him and Bledsoe sthrowing the ball, you thought we were strong at QB.

Then the real games started..and...ugh..

[Mr. Pink]

It is sad to see that RJ is still carrying some anger over something that happened almost 20 years ago.

Both QBs had their limitations however if RJ had a better internal clock, the Bills under him would have been a perennial playoff team. His limitation was he held the ball too long and took way too many unnecessary sacks and hits which led to his constant injuries. If he had changed/learned/adapted to holding the ball for a second or second and a half shorter, there would have never been the Flutie vs RJ situation. That's all on him.

[JoeMama]

As an RJ at the time, and admit to co creating a website called Flutie Haters, I don't know what the Wow is for? Everything RJ stated is truth. To the people don't think the team played hard for RJ I need to ask do you remember the great offensive performance had against the Rams in Week 3 of 1998 that we only lost because RJ got hurt and wasn't able to complete the game and Doug couldn't run out the clock? Or that RJ lead the Bills to a win against the undefeated 49ers in Week 4? Or that the offense put a clinic against the Saints in the 1998 season finale and again in the 1999 season finale against the Colts that Doug lost to in Week 1? Of course not because they're blurred because of the media hype surrounding the little engine that could that was Flutie. Say what you want but RJ played well for a QB with 1 NFL start when he came here but his biggest downfall was his inability to stay healthy.

LOL that was you?

That site got some traction on the old AOL Bills forums in the late 90s.

[Jan Reimers]

Flutie was a great competitor who knew how to win. RJ was not.

I'd take Flutie, with all of his limitations, any day over Golden Boy RJ.

[Novacane]

China doll. There's a reason Tacklingdummy got his name!

[The Jokeman]

LOL that was you?

That site got some traction on the old AOL Bills forums in the late 90s.

Yeah that was me, in fact another one of the old regulars from my message board ended up introducing me to this site when I closed my site/message board down.

[The Jokeman]

Flutie was a great competitor who knew how to win. RJ was not.

I'd take Flutie, with all of his limitations, any day over Golden Boy RJ.

Flutie was a glorified game manager except when he started turning the ball over down the stretch in 1999.

[OpIv37]

"RJ" is Rick Jeanneret, legendary play-by-play man for the Sabres for almost the entire history of the organization.

Referring to Rob Johnson as "RJ" should get people tarred and feathered and carried out of WNY on a stick. And a lifetime ban from BZ.

[YardRat]

Well, if anybody out there didn't think Johnson was a douchebag before, they should now after some of those comments.

[jimmifli]

Complaining about Doug's autism advocacy is hilarious.

"Doug only got the job because he won more games and people like him more. So unfair!"

[Arm of Harm]

Your personal stats dont matter if you are not able to get your teammates to play hard for you.

That IMO was the difference between Flutie and RJ. Even Reuben Brown kinda said something to that degree.

When you dink and dunk and would rather take a sack than throw, you stats will look good to some degree.

Talking about Tyrod on the other thread throwing only to open receivers is the same.

Flutie didn't have an arm but he didn't have a problem throwing to a covered Moulds who made Flutie look better.



Rob Johnson was not a dink and dunk quarterback. If it was 3rd and 20, he'd either throw the ball to a target 20+ yards down the field, or he'd take the sack. One or the other.

Rob Johnson was the most-sacked QB in NFL history. If I recall correctly, he took twice as many sacks per pass attempt as any other QB. Absolutely ridiculous how many sacks that guy took. Partly, that was because he was the kind of guy to look for the deep throw, not to dump it off short. Partly, it was because he was bad at pocket awareness, bad at having an internal clock in his head, and bad at anything else involving sack avoidance. But part of the problem was also the offensive line. It was the worst pass protection OL I can remember as a Bills fan. And that's saying a lot.

On the bright side, he had reasonably good mobility, the size and strength you hope to see at that position, and very good accuracy on his intermediate and deep passes. It was those positive attributes which made the situation so frustrating. If he could have just become decent at sack avoidance--not outstanding, but decent--and if he'd been given an upgraded offensive line, I think he could have really done something. Unfortunately, the hoped-for improvement in his play never came to be. The Bills did not improve their OL until after he was out the door.

[Mace]

As I remember it, RJ is pretty much correct, Flutie was the choirboy favorite and RJ the oblivious surfer dude.

I also clearly remember RJ having superior skills and no pocket sense, and Flutie being a master of improv and not being a master of not improv.

RJ was a workout warrior without commanding (or much of any) presence, Flutie was a field general who aggravated the locker room and polarized if threatened off the field, because he was choirboy Flutie and played it up.

The book on Flutie back then, was that he'd terrorize unprepared teams the first time, and the second time, they'd crowd the line throw up the arms to negate the pass by inhibiting his vision, and have a spy waiting for him to accordingly get flushed and run, negating his running.

Either one could have "took" the job long term, neither could, because they were RJ and Flutie. Prototype skills and lack of prototype ambition vs. lack of prototype skills and too much prototype ambition.

I can't blame RJ for being aggravated. Flutie was reported to be subverting him in the locker room. Same token though, RJ didn't really try and do anything about it but stew.

I preferred RJ, which never could have worked, but will be ever grateful to Flutie for reigniting passion for Bills football when the flame was fading, though long term it never would have worked either.

[Historian]

If the Bills kick team stops Dyson, none of this ever happens....

[Forward_Lateral]

If the Bills kick team stops Dyson, none of this ever happens....

Yep. They probably go all the way to the superbowl and lose number 5

[Ginger Vitis]

2 weeks ago on WGR Marty Biron told a story about when he and Rhett Warrener and some of Rhetts friends went to a Bills game and shared a suite with Rob Johnson who was injured at the time and was watching the game from the suite... Rhett Warreners friends were cold so they went to the Bills shop to buy some flutie sweaters to wear during the game.. When Johnson saw Rhetts friends wearing the Flutie sweaters he demanded they take them off... And Biron claimed that during the game Johnson criticized the offensive play calling the whole game..

The WGR guys like Bulldog and Howard Simon were amazed at how petty Johnson was in asking Warreners friends to take off the Flutie sweaters..


When the NFLN did a Top 10 Qb controversies off all time the Johnson/Flutie controversy was Number 6.... the NFLN showed a clip of Johnson and Flutie warning up together and Johnson says to Flutie " Hey FLute what flag football league did you play in"? No question they hated each other..

[Arm of Harm]

The WGR guys like Bulldog and Howard Simon were amazed at how petty Johnson was in asking Warreners friends to take off the Flutie sweaters..

The WRG guys were the ones being petty. They knew that Flutie and Johnson hated each other. They knew they'd be watching the game with Rob Johnson. So, right before the game, they buy Flutie sweaters "because they were cold." They knew that was going to get under Johnson's skin, whether he said anything about it or not. Either the WGR guys were being petty, or else shockingly boorish and insensitive. Either way, I have no objection to Johnson demanding they take the sweaters off.