This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

[Cali512]

Zay Jones and Boldin also play a part
Travious white and Kevyon Semours development plays a part
The new schemes play a big part

When you factor all the moves this off season, we aren't dropping off that much talent wise. We got rid of the players who really aren't proven who will need big paydays for young players, while stockpiling draft picks. We gave ourselves 4-5 years to get out of this cap hell, while still giving us some vets for a year to maybe make a quick playoff push. Also Watkins forced us to get the ball to him when he played, Tyrod spreads the ball much better when Watkins was injured.

[Guest]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I want us to go 3-13 this year and hit the 2018 Draft like a MF'er.

[justasportsfan]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I want us to go 3-13 this year and hit the 2018 Draft like a MF'er.

I just worry that we will.use our first 4 drafts picks next year on full backs

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I just worry that we will.use our first 4 drafts picks next year on full backs

don't you know anything? History has shown we aren't this stupid. It'll be 4 CB's. :)

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I just worry that we will.use our first 4 drafts picks next year on full backs

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And most important of all, all will be named Williams

[kingJofNYC]

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I want us to go 3-13 this year and hit the 2018 Draft like a MF'er.

**** winning 3 games, that cost us Cam Newton or Von Miller a few years ago. One game max, not ****ting you, I don't want to win anything.

[Guest]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I just worry that we will.use our first 4 drafts picks next year on full backs

These guys seem to know what they are doing and have a clear vision.

The DP just needs not get in their way and be supportive.

Terry and Kim should spend more time in Florida.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

These guys seem to know what they are doing and have a clear vision.

The DP just needs not get in their way and be supportive.

Terry and Kim should spend more time in Florida.

with Doug Whaley?

sorry couldn't resist. I'm extremely immature, and for one enjoyed your Kim/Whaley jokes

[Guest]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

with Doug Whaley?

sorry couldn't resist. I'm extremely immature, and for one enjoyed your Kim/Whaley jokes

Notice that I call Terry Pegula the Dumb Polack butt I don't ever call him gay for the 3-way?

You know why?

"...because it is not gay when it is in a 3-way..."

[TigerJ]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

The trade was better current talent for a stronger position in the 2018 draft.

[Buddo]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I'm on board with the Darby trade. Zone coverages in the secondary means he has more value elsewhere, than to us, and we've done a good job of getting that extra value.

I don't like the Watkins trade, as you are losing a potential superstar, and your #1 receiver, and you are going to have to replace him in the draft somehow. It looks to me like a classic Bills 'spinning wheels' move, and I'm sick of the sight of those.

While I can understand the reticence due to injury concerns, of picking up Watkins' option, simply shipping him out now, is not actually even giving him an opportunity to produce for us. If he did, the tag was always an option, and we aren't so hard against the cap that it couldn't have been used. Watkins could still have a stellar career, and for another 8 to 10 years. While getting extra picks to position the Bills well in the draft for 2018, is no bad thing, they still have to use those picks wisely, for these moves to actually pay off. Otherwise known as identifying a franchise QB, and actually getting him, neither of which is guaranteed by any means, especially when nobody knows who is actually going to be available for sure, at this point in time.

[GreedoII]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I'm on board with the Darby trade. Zone coverages in the secondary means he has more value elsewhere, than to us, and we've done a good job of getting that extra value.

I don't like the Watkins trade, as you are losing a potential superstar, and your #1 receiver, and you are going to have to replace him in the draft somehow. It looks to me like a classic Bills 'spinning wheels' move, and I'm sick of the sight of those.

While I can understand the reticence due to injury concerns, of picking up Watkins' option, simply shipping him out now, is not actually even giving him an opportunity to produce for us. If he did, the tag was always an option, and we aren't so hard against the cap that it couldn't have been used. Watkins could still have a stellar career, and for another 8 to 10 years. While getting extra picks to position the Bills well in the draft for 2018, is no bad thing, they still have to use those picks wisely, for these moves to actually pay off. Otherwise known as identifying a franchise QB, and actually getting him, neither of which is guaranteed by any means, especially when nobody knows who is actually going to be available for sure, at this point in time.

they don't have a QB...so they won;t pay him 9 mil a year next year. Why pay him if he's going to be wasted like he has been since they drafted him? Plus he's a bad foot plant away from a hip injury. If they had a great QB he stays and gets paid already. It's a bad investment so get value for for him rather than he walk. This isn't hard to figure out...

[Skooby]

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And most important of all, all will be named Williams

Haha, this is the case.

[Night Train]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I'm on board with the Darby trade. Zone coverages in the secondary means he has more value elsewhere, than to us, and we've done a good job of getting that extra value.I don't like the Watkins trade, as you are losing a potential superstar, and your #1 receiver, and you are going to have to replace him in the draft somehow. It looks to me like a classic Bills 'spinning wheels' move, and I'm sick of the sight of those.While I can understand the reticence due to injury concerns, of picking up Watkins' option, simply shipping him out now, is not actually even giving him an opportunity to produce for us. If he did, the tag was always an option, and we aren't so hard against the cap that it couldn't have been used. Watkins could still have a stellar career, and for another 8 to 10 years. While getting extra picks to position the Bills well in the draft for 2018, is no bad thing, they still have to use those picks wisely, for these moves to actually pay off. Otherwise known as identifying a franchise QB, and actually getting him, neither of which is guaranteed by any means, especially when nobody knows who is actually going to be available for sure, at this point in time.

Don't disagree with any of the above.

The decision with Watkins is purely salary cap driven. Throw in the foot concerns and the passing of his option year signaled his exit.

Getting value now instead of nothing later made sense. I don't think we are losing 2-3 more games as a result of the trade, nor did I view this team as a true playoff contender in year one of a whole new administration. Many current players don't fit the schemes and Darby was the first to be moved. The coaches probably think we are just as good after the trades. So be it, whether true or not. It's up to ready them for the regular season.

[Buddo]

Re: This isnt just Watkins for Mathews, and Darby for Gaines

I can see how if you are going to 'get value' for Watkins, the trade now, is probably the best time to do it, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

If we are going to draft a QB in '18, then we probably had enough ammunition to get the 2nd best one, before trading Watkins, (assuming we were trading Darby anyway) so I don't see the real need - unless we are in 'tank' mode, in which case, don't be surprised if the likes of Kyle Williams, pull the plug and retire.

That QB will need a good WR to throw to, and we now don't have a #1.

I'm also getting the impression that Taylor is being set up to fail - and I'm not impressed by that approach.