QB Watch Thread

[DraftBoy]

Week 0 -
Keller Chryst (Staford - 2019) - 14 of 24, 253 Yds, 2 TD
Quentin Flowers (S. Florida - 2018) - 11 of 23, 212 Yds, 2 TD, 8 carries, 70 Yds, 1 TD
Nick Stevens (Colorado State - 2018) - 26 of 39, 334 Yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
Andrew Ford (UMass - 2019) 21 of 30, 275 Yds, 2 TD, 1 INT

[DraftBoy]

This is who I'm watching in Week 1:
JT Barrett (2018) - Ohio State v. Indiana
Josh Rosen (2019) - UCLA v. Texas A&M
Josh Allen (2019) - Wyoming v. Iowa
Wilton Speights (2019) - Michigan v. Florida
Jake Browning (2019) - Washington v. Rutgers
Will Grier (2020) - West Virginia v. Virginia Tech

Game of the week is absolutely Josh Allen v. Iowa. Iowa always has a strong defense and they were top 15 last year in points allowed. Should get a good look at how Allen can handle the elevated competition.

Close second is probably Speights (Michigan) v. Florida, if he was a bigger prospect that game would probably be tops and it has far more draft prospects.

[Night Train]

I love my Buckeyes but Barrett has Graduate Assistant written all over him.

The CFL, maybe.

[stuckincincy]

I love my Buckeyes but Barrett has Graduate Assistant written all over him.

The CFL, maybe.

That Heisman Trophy winner's food fight ad was good.

[DraftBoy]

I love my Buckeyes but Barrett has Graduate Assistant written all over him.

The CFL, maybe.

Hit the nail on the head for tonight, he looks horrid.

[DraftBoy]

Barrett looks meh, but Lagow looks like a legit sleeper prospect. He's throwing to a lot of open WR's but he's making good throws and quick decisions.

[stuckincincy]

Barrett looks meh, but Lagow looks like a legit sleeper prospect. He's throwing to a lot of open WR's but he's making good throws and quick decisions.

He sure is.

As to Barrett - meh, too. But his receivers are not getting separation, as the announcers say. but they also don't seem to be coming back to help out Barrett.

[stuckincincy]

Looks like their dumb pass-pass-pass that ended up with a FG, and their reluctance to go for 2 after their 1st TD may come back to haunt.

Meyer & Co. looking bad.

EDIT:

Timing is everything, eh?

[DraftBoy]

Allen showed the good with the bad yesterday v. Iowa. He had no time for most of the game and made some really baffling decisions. He clearly has a rocket arm but his throwing motion is all arm which is worrisome. He's extremely raw (rawer than Mahomes imo) but he's got a lot of "it" to his game. He thinks he can make every throw and isn't afraid to try. He's also a really good athlete for his size and was able to escape more than a few sacks.

I like the kid, but his numbers v. Power 5 schools are bad and he needs a big game v. Oregon late this year to show me he's a guy you take as a franchise QB v. a guy you take hoping he grows into a franchise QB.

[DraftBoy]

Rosen with a rough first half.

[Albany,n.y.]

Rosen with a rough first half.

Brilliant in the 4th quarter-292 yds & 4 TDs. Took the team on his back & carried them all the way back . Passed for 491 yards total.

[DraftBoy]

Brilliant in the 4th quarter-292 yds & 4 TDs. Took the team on his back & carried them all the way back . Passed for 491 yards total.

He was good, but I'm not sure I'd call him brilliant. His 42 yard TD throw was a horrendous decision.

[YardRat]

So was the one in the front corner of the end zone. Close your eyes and throw up a prayer.

I'll give him credit for hanging in there, rallying the troops and pulling out the game though.

[DraftBoy]

So was the one in the front corner of the end zone. Close your eyes and throw up a prayer.

I'll give him credit for hanging in there, rallying the troops and pulling out the game though.

No question, huge pluses for his ability to lead and rally his team. A team who doesn't believe in their QB doesn't pull that off last night.

[DraftBoy]

JT Barrett (2018) - 20 of 35, 304 yds, 3 TD
Josh Rosen (2019) - 35 of 59, 491 yds, 4 TD
Josh Allen (2019) - 23 of 40, 174 yds, 2 INT
Wilton Speights (2019) - 11 of 25, 181 yds, 2 INT
Jake Browning (2019) - 17 of 39, 284 yds, 2 TD
Will Grier (2020) - 31 of 53, 371 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT

Gotta give Week 1 to Rosen and Grier.

[DraftBoy]

In a matchup of two of the biggest Small School QB prospects, Sam Houston State's Jeremiah Briscoe out dueled Richmond's Kyle Lauletta 48-34. Both teams were ranked preseason Top 10 and Briscoe is considered a favorite for the Walter Payton Award (FCS version of Heisman).

Briscoe - 20 of 37, 411 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT, 3 Carries, 29 Yards, 1 TD
Lauletta - 36 of 56, 546 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT

Most small school prospects are undersized which is why they don't get recruited by larger schools, but both of these kids are 6'3 and over 215 lbs.

[Mace]

In a matchup of two of the biggest Small School QB prospects, Sam Houston State's Jeremiah Briscoe out dueled Richmond's Kyle Lauletta 48-34. Both teams were ranked preseason Top 10 and Briscoe is considered a favorite for the Walter Payton Award (FCS version of Heisman).

Briscoe - 20 of 37, 411 yards, 4 TD, 1 INT, 3 Carries, 29 Yards, 1 TD
Lauletta - 36 of 56, 546 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT

Most small school prospects are undersized which is why they don't get recruited by larger schools, but both of these kids are 6'3 and over 215 lbs.

True. I worry about college systems vs college systems though too nowadays along with the engineered schedules and small school quality.

Just an aside, but one of the best football games I ever watched was the 2010 GMAC bowl, Central Michigan (Lefevour) vs. Troy (Levi Brown). I was delighted the Bills grabbed Levi. Of course, it meant nothing in the long run.

Not saying small school guys can't be developed, sort of makes sense they could be....but the NFL has become so impatient for immediate results, very few teams even have real QB coaches to work with QB's to improve their game. It's become a short term process that makes the pool even smaller. The college game only cares about what works there, and players with potential get chewed up in the middle.

[DraftBoy]

Week 2 Games:
Max Browne (18) and Trace McSorley (19) - Pitt v. Penn State
Luke Falk (18) v. Billy Rypien (19) - Washington State v. Boise State
Baker Mayfield (18) v. JT Barrett (18) - Oklahoma v. Ohio State
Austin Allen (18) v. Kenny Hill (18) - Arkansas v. TCU
Jarret Stidham (20) v. Kelly Bryant (19) - Auburn v. Clemson
Brandon Wimbush (20) - Notre Dame v. UGA
Sam Darnold (20) v. Keller Chryst (19) - USC v. Stanford

Lots and lots of good games to watch tomorrow, it's hard to pick a top one.

I think I'd lean USC v. Stanford just because Darnold is the higher prospect, but Auburn v. Clemson and Oklahoma v. Ohio State are right there.

You want to see a bounce back game from Darnold where he shows good command of the offense and makes good decisions with the football. Stanford's defense is always tough though so it should be a good challenge for him. Both Bryant (Clemson) and Stidham (Auburn) looked good in Week 1 but this is the real test for both guys. Clemson's DL may be the 2nd best in the country behind Ohio State. For the Bucks matchup v. Oklahoma I don't really consider Barrett a legit QB prospect but I want to see how Mayfield handles the Bucks DL pressure.

[Night Train]

I may stand alone but Lamar Jackson has improved his pocket passing ability a ton, in addition to his obvious athletic ability. Profiling him as a black athlete playing QB no longer works.

His only downfall these days is trying to do too much early in games when his D gives up an early score. Coaching can solve that but he does settle down. That strike where he avoids the North Carolina rush and then flicks the ball effortlessly to hit his WR perfectly in stride is outstanding. Many great throws from the pocket.

He's in the early lead for the Heisman again.

[k-oneputt]

Wow Barrett is horrible

[k-oneputt]

Jackson has definitely improved throwing the ball from last year. He also has filled out his body and gotten bigger. If he doesn't make it at qb he would be a hell of a wr.

[k-oneputt]

To me Darnold is the clear top qb right now. He looked good last night.
I wasn't impressed with Falk at all. Don't like his arm or physical makeup. I don't see it with him, at least so far. With Allen you can see all the traits last week even though he didn't play well. You can see the upside with Allen at least.

[DraftBoy]

Max Browne (18) - 19 of 32, 138 yards, 2 INT
Trace McSorley (19) - 15 of 28, 164 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Luke Falk (18) - 24 of 34, 193 yards, 1 INT
Billy Rypien (19) - 7 or 8, 76 yards
Baker Mayfield (18) - 27 of 35, 386 yards, 3 TD
JT Barrett (18) - 19 of 35, 183 yards, 1 INT, 18 rushes, 66 yards
Austin Allen (18) - 9 of 23, 138 yards, 1 TD
Kenny Hill (18) - 21 of 31, 166 yards, 1 INT
Jarret Stidham (20) - 13 of 24, 79 yards
Kelly Bryant (19) - 19 of 29, 181 yards, 19 rushes, 59 yards, 2 TD
Brandon Wimbush (20) - 19 of 39, 211 yards, 16 carries, 1 yard
Sam Darnold (20) - 21 of 26, 316 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT
Keller Chryst (19) - 15 of 28, 172 yards, 2 TD

Darnold had by far the best day and he did so against one of the top defenses in the country. His 2 INT's are worrisome because it's showing a trend. He threw 9 last year and 4 already this year. He needs to make better decisions with the football.

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I may stand alone but Lamar Jackson has improved his pocket passing ability a ton, in addition to his obvious athletic ability. Profiling him as a black athlete playing QB no longer works.

His only downfall these days is trying to do too much early in games when his D gives up an early score. Coaching can solve that but he does settle down. That strike where he avoids the North Carolina rush and then flicks the ball effortlessly to hit his WR perfectly in stride is outstanding. Many great throws from the pocket.

He's in the early lead for the Heisman again.

Jackson will definitely be on the watch list this week as the Cardinals take on Clemson.

[ticatfan]

I love my Buckeyes but Barrett has Graduate Assistant written all over him.

The CFL, maybe.There has been many great college QB's that failed miserly up here, someone like him will not even get a shot.

[swiper]

Where does this guy fit in. Sounds good here. on ABC tonight.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blue-collar-blue-chip-memphis-qb-riley-ferguson-went-washing-fences-nfl-prospect-015013970.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/blue-collar-blue-chip-memphis-qb-riley-ferguson-went-washing-fences-nfl-prospect-015013970.html)

[DraftBoy]

Where does this guy fit in. Sounds good here. on ABC tonight.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blue-collar-blue-chip-memphis-qb-riley-ferguson-went-washing-fences-nfl-prospect-015013970.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/blue-collar-blue-chip-memphis-qb-riley-ferguson-went-washing-fences-nfl-prospect-015013970.html)

Going to be a fun one to watch. I like Ferguson, but I want to see him v. Power 5 defense. UCLA will be a good test and if he shreds them his buzz will grow exponentially.

[DraftBoy]

Josh Allen struggling again with a Power 5 defense.

[DraftBoy]

Darnold having another rough night. 6 INT's in 3 games, almost all coming from bad mechanics and footwork.

[YardRat]

This Ehrlinger kid for Texas looks pretty good.

[YardRat]

Darnold having another rough night. 6 INT's in 3 games, almost all coming from bad mechanics and footwork.

Nice drive to tie up the game.

[k-oneputt]

Wow Darnold just brought them downfield for game tying field goal at the buzzer. Overtime coming. I love this kid. To bad he will probably end up on the Jets.

[k-oneputt]

And he throws a dart on the first play.

[swiper]

Going to be a fun one to watch. I like Ferguson, but I want to see him v. Power 5 defense. UCLA will be a good test and if he shreds them his buzz will grow exponentially.

Would say the buzz has started?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20726737/memphis-tigers-coach-enjoys-statement-win-ucla-bruins

http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400935270

[swiper]

Baker Mayfield with the 2nd best completion % in the country so far. And is listed at #3 in yards per attempt. Stats can't get much better than that.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

[DraftBoy]

Nice drive to tie up the game.

The kid has moxie and plenty of skill but he's got a lot more mechanical flaws then I first realized. He really struggles with a clean pocket and seems to have more mechanical issues then I thought. Right now I'd put him as QB2 behind Rudolph.

[DraftBoy]

Would say the buzz has started?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20726737/memphis-tigers-coach-enjoys-statement-win-ucla-bruins

http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400935270

Yes, Ferguson though will always have to overcome his system and mechanics. I see him as late day 2 guy with high upside.

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Baker Mayfield with the 2nd best completion % in the country so far. And is listed at #3 in yards per attempt. Stats can't get much better than that.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

It's going to be interesting see if Mayfield can get the Russell Wilson tag or not.

[Night Train]

Yes, Ferguson though will always have to overcome his system and mechanics. I see him as late day 2 guy with high upside.

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It's going to be interesting see if Mayfield can get the Russell Wilson tag or not.

I'll settle for him. He ignites an offense and plays with such passion.

[DraftBoy]

I'll settle for him. He ignites an offense and plays with such passion.

At this point, I'm not considering or willing to settle for anybody. The Bills focus should be on their #1 rated QB no matter what.

[Mouldsie]

The kid has moxie and plenty of skill but he's got a lot more mechanical flaws then I first realized. He really struggles with a clean pocket and seems to have more mechanical issues then I thought. Right now I'd put him as QB2 behind Rudolph.

Last year in limited viewing I thought he was Fitzpatrick with more arm. Still seems like a decent summary of his game. (also not necessarily a bad one)

[Mouldsie]

Baker Mayfield with the 2nd best completion % in the country so far. And is listed at #3 in yards per attempt. Stats can't get much better than that.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

I've never watched his games and felt like he'd be the ideal NFL QB... but I have to take more notice now perhaps

[DraftBoy]

Week 4 Games to Watch:
Mason Rudolph (18) v. Kenny Hill (18) - Oklahoma State v. TCU
Logan Woodside (18) - Toldeo v. Miami
Nick Shmonek (18) v. Kyle Allen (20) - Texas Tech v. Houston
Nick Bolin (18) v. Tanner Lee (18) - Rutgers v. Nebraska
Kurt Benkert (18) v. Brett Rypien (19) - Virginia v. Boise State
Taylor Lamb (18) v. John Wolford (18) - Appalachian State v. Wake Forest
Josh Rosen (19) v. Keller Chryst (19) - UCLA v. Stanford
Nick Fitzgerald (19) - Mississippi State v. UGA
Jake Browning (19) - Washington v. Colorado
Ryan Finley (19) - NC State v. FSU
Brandon Wimbush (20) - Notre Dame v. Michigan State

The biggest game of the weekend in terms of pure QB match up is UCLA v. Stanford. Rosen needs a more consistent game v. Stanford and Chryst needs to show that he's ready for the big time. Second place game is Oklahoma St. v. TCU, Rudolph will face his toughest defense to date in TCU.

Behind that there are three games I'm particularly interested in that feature only one QB prospect. Those are Toledo v. Miami, Miss St v. UGA, and NC State v. FSU. All three feature QB's who are either unknown (Woodside - Toledo) or who evaluators are still trying to figure out (Fitzgerald - Miss St; Finley - NC St). This creates a big opportunity for all three of these guys to establish themselves.

[Night Train]

At this point, I'm not considering or willing to settle for anybody. The Bills focus should be on their #1 rated QB no matter what.

Who's settling ? To be polarized by a single QB you may not have a shot at isn't wise. Their may be 4-6 QB's selected in Round 1 and Mayfield is looking extra sharp right now. The settling comment was obviously in jest. Rudolph is obvious. Rosen looks good. Darnold may stay. Allen is a no for me. Mayfield plays in big games and plays well. I like.

[Night Train]

Mayfield so far this year. 76.8 % completions. 10 TD's . 0 Int's.

[DraftBoy]

Who's settling ? To be polarized by a single QB you may not have a shot at isn't wise. Their may be 4-6 QB's selected in Round 1 and Mayfield is looking extra sharp right now. The settling comment was obviously in jest. Rudolph is obvious. Rosen looks good. Darnold may stay. Allen is a no for me. Mayfield plays in big games and plays well. I like.

Fair enough. I like Mayfield, I just don't like the averages that come with QB's his size.

[DraftBoy]

Darnold sloppy again, throws 7th INT.

Rudolph also seeing some struggles for the first time this year.

[DraftBoy]

Darnold bounced back, Rudolph didn't.

Woodside had a fantastic game v. Miami. Huge statement game.

[DraftBoy]

Mason Rudolph (18) - 22 of 41, 398 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
Kenny Hill (18) - 22 of 33, 228 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Logan Woodside (18) - 28 of 48, 342 yards, 3 TD
Nick Shmonek (18) - 29 of 45, 321 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Kyle Allen (20) - 24 of 39, 217 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT
Kurt Benkert (18) - 19 of 29, 273 yards, 3 TD
Brett Rypien (19) - 24 of 42, 285 yards, 1 INT
Taylor Lamb (18) - 26 of 50, 372 yards, 2 TD
John Wolford (18) - 14 of 27, 176 yards, 2 TD
Josh Rosen (19) - 40 of 60, 480 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT
Nick Fitzgerald (19) - 14 of 29, 83 yards, 2 INT
Jake Browning (19) - 11 of 21, 160 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Ryan Finley (19) - 22 of 32, 230 yards, 2 TD
Brandon Wimbush (20) - 14 of 20, 173 yards, 1 TD, 8 carries, 52 yards, 1 TD

[Mace]

I'm still not really sold on this probable QB class though there's time. It mostly looks the same as it always does since college broke from the pro yoke, which makes better college football and far iffier pro ball. Relative to development time and pain, though no one wants to hear it (not even me really), we might be looking for Peterman's future backup this year. I still don't see any "sell the farm guy" when we still need the farm. To me at least, at this point it looks like a "stand pat and load up" draft unless they're really in love with someone which at this point I'm not sure how they could be.

Won't bother me if they take a QB in normal order, but we have an awful lot of picks to add major talent without rolling big on anyone.

[DraftBoy]

Week 5 Games to Watch:
Mason Rudolph (18) v. Nick Shmonek (18) - Oklahoma State v. Texas Tech
Luke Falk (18) v. Sam Darnold (20) - Washington State v. USC
Chris Streveler (18) - South Dakota v. Western Illinois
Hunter Wells (18) - Youngstown State v. South Dakota State
Mitch Kimble (18) - Eastern Illinois v. Tennessee State
Nick Fitzgerald (19) v. Jarret Stidham (20) - Mississippi State v. Auburn
Clayton Thorson (19) - Northwestern v. Wisconsin
Kelly Bryant (19) - Clemson v. Virginia Tech
Kenny Hill (18) v. Will Grier (20) - TCU v. West Virginia

For me the top matchup is USC . Washington State, I also want to see Rudolph bounce back v. Texas Tech, Fitzgerald do the same v. Auburn, and can Bryant continue his magic v. Virginia Tech.

[Mace]

Looking forward to hopefully seeing the USC/Washington State game tonight. I'm probably more interested in Falk because I don't see Darnold being in reach in any case.

[YardRat]

Jalen Hurts will never be part of this conversation.

[Night Train]

Darnold hasn't had a complete good game yet. Rosen played bad yesterday. Turn "potential" into consistent production. Flashes don't do it for me.

Too many " Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane " performances from the supposed top guys this year.

Mayfield and Rudolph look the best to me so far.

[YardRat]

Rosen may be better off using his full eligibility. Darnold HAS to stay in at least another year...maybe two for him too.

I'm starting to consider getting on the Mayfield wagon for the draft...he 'looks' the part. Haven't seen enough of Rudolph yet.

[DraftBoy]

Rosen may be better off using his full eligibility. Darnold HAS to stay in at least another year...maybe two for him too.

I'm starting to consider getting on the Mayfield wagon for the draft...he 'looks' the part. Haven't seen enough of Rudolph yet.

I still go Rudolph as the clear top guy. After that the field is bit muddy.

[k-oneputt]

No talk of Luke Falk stinking up the field this past Friday night ?????

[DraftBoy]

No talk of Luke Falk stinking up the field this past Friday night ?????

Return to mean. His faults have been pretty well discussed.

[k-oneputt]

Return to mean. His faults have been pretty well discussed.

Actually Falks o-line may be worse then Darnolds

[DraftBoy]

Actually Falks o-line may be worse then Darnolds

Ok and?

The OL doesn't excuse the bad decisions that both have made this season.

[k-oneputt]

It doesn't help them .......

Darnold still best prospect, Rosen, Rudolph, Allen, in that order.

Falk doesn't have enough arm.

[DraftBoy]

It doesn't help them .......

Darnold still best prospect, Rosen, Rudolph, Allen, in that order.

Falk doesn't have enough arm.

Give me Rudolph over all of them. Darnold and Rosen both need to stay in school.

[DraftBoy]

Watched every throw of Darnold v. ND.

He looked pretty average for most of the night. Consistently missed receivers but then would make a pinpoint throw seemingly out of blue. His confidence is shot right now.

[Mace]

Give me Rudolph over all of them. Darnold and Rosen both need to stay in school.

Well, refine that, in terms of how you feel about him, atm ? I'm not seeing enough college ball for perspective.

Do you mean you'd spend lots of picks getting to Rudolph, or take him if available in normal order ?

[DraftBoy]

Well, refine that, in terms of how you feel about him, atm ? I'm not seeing enough college ball for perspective.

Do you mean you'd spend lots of picks getting to Rudolph, or take him if available in normal order ?

I would entertain a trade up for Rudolph, yes.

[swiper]

While TDs and INTs were the same, it looks like Mayfield > Rudolph yesterday.

[swiper]

So. After yesterday's games what is the list of top 5 QBs on our wish list, in order please?

Based largely on QB ratings, I offer this list:

Mayfield
Rudolph
Darnold
Rosen
Falk

Agree? Disagree? Is that list close?

Are those 5 all first rounders in 2017 (given Darnold declares)?

[DraftBoy]

So. After yesterday's games what is the list of top 5 QBs on our wish list, in order please?

Based largely on QB ratings, I offer this list:

Mayfield
Rudolph
Darnold
Rosen
Falk

Agree? Disagree? Is that list close?

Are those 5 all first rounders in 2017 (given Darnold declares)?

I'd go:

Rudolph
Darnold
Mayfield
Rosen
Finley

Mayfield is going to be a divisive prospect because he's under sized has an average to above average arm but clearly has the "IT" factor. The question with Mayfield is can you deal with his need to improvise and can he learn a traditional offense? I don't think labeling Mayfield as a Russell Wilson type prospect is accurate because he's not as risk averse as Wilson was in college. Mayfield has no problem taking a shot down the field or throwing into tighter windows. It's also not fair to give him a Manziel type of label that others have brought forth because he does like to improvise and plays in a non-traditional offense (Oklahoma runs an Air Raid system). He's a tough read, but I think I'd take a shot on him mid-late in Round 1 if he makes it that far. He's not a guy I would up into the Top 10 to try and take though.

[Mouldsie]

Rosen tops my list, the others are still sorting themselves out.