Pats vs KC

[justasportsfan]

As much as I want the Chefs to suck so bad to get a high draft pick, I cannot cheer for the cheatriots to win. It's not like we are going anywhere this year so go Pats? :puke:

[Bill Cody]

If KC goes toe to toe for 4 quarters in their building with NE win or lose that draft pick isn't going to be great

[Goobylal]

Go Cheaters! just for tonight. Then I hope they lose every other game except splitting with division rivals.

[streetkings01]

I'll be rooting on the Pats tonight!

[SpikedLemonade]

Just put an ass breaking hit on Tom Brady please.

That's all I am about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk

[feldspar]

As much as I want the Chefs to suck so bad to get a high draft pick, I cannot cheer for the cheatriots to win. It's not like we are going anywhere this year so go Pats? :puke:

This game is a dilemma.

I'm kinda hoping for a tie maybe.

[The last buffalo fan]

It is like Bills vs Cheatriots ....... I'll root for da Bills, but I know who is winning.

[justasportsfan]

it's settled then. Cheer for the Pats tonight and hope/pray the bills prevent them from having that perfect season even though KC has a better chance to beat them than the bills.

[Miami_Vice]

I hope a Chiefs' player breaks both of Brady's legs !

[Thurmal]

I'm pulling for NE in order to give KC a loss for our pick.

First NE game where I've pulled for the Pats in at least 15 years, probably. They win virtually every game I pull against them, so I have little doubt they'll lose tonight just to be dicks.

[MattyNH]

Basically from a statistical stand point KC does not have much of a chance. Brady as lost just one game at home to an AFC opponent since 2007

[swiper]

LOL! Reggie Ragland is out! His knee is hurting!!!

Too funny. Did the Bills actually do something right?!?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/06/reggie-ragland-unlikely-to-make-chiefs-debut-on-thursday-night/

[Ed]

If the Pats lose this game it really does nothing for the Bills. They're still winning the division regardless. And if winning another superbowl pushes Brady closer to retirement then I'm fine rooting for that too.

So go pats.

Oh, and I'm also rooting for a bunch of season ending injuries to all of KC's best players and I don't care how anyone feels about that.

[Luisito23]

LOL...NE isn't losing tonight.

[Homegrown]

If the Pats lose this game it really does nothing for the Bills. They're still winning the division regardless. And if winning another superbowl pushes Brady closer to retirement then I'm fine rooting for that too.

So go pats.

Oh, and I'm also rooting for a bunch of season ending injuries to all of KC's best players and I don't care how anyone feels about that.

Just me, but ... the more Brady wins - the less he thinks of retirement ....

[GingerP]

Basically from a statistical stand point KC does not have much of a chance. Brady as lost just one game at home to an AFC opponent since 2007

In their last 51 games against AFC opponents at home in the regular season, they are 51 - 1. The one loss? A week 17 game against the Bills in 2014, where they had already secured playoff position and pulled all their starters for the 2nd half (including Brady).

They do have a couple home losses in the playoffs to Baltimore, and one to the Jets, during that span.

[Ed]

Just me, but ... the more Brady wins - the less he thinks of retirement ....
Yeah that's what I'm not sure of. Does winning or losing drive him to keep going, or does it not even matter? But him talking about wanting to play until he's 50 makes me want to puke.

[Novacane]

I hope the cheaters get a huge lead then Brady goes down for the season when BB keeps him in the game trying to run up the score.

[Mahdi]

The Chiefs have a lot going for them with a great pass rush and one of the best secondaries in the NFL.

On offense Kelce, Hill and their running game are tough matchups for any team.

I want KC to win, whatever draft picks we end up with are not going to change much based on one win and even a couple of spots means nothing.

[Goobylal]

The Chefs aren't as good as last year.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

LOL! Reggie Ragland is out! His knee is hurting!!!

Too funny. Did the Bills actually do something right?!?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/06/reggie-ragland-unlikely-to-make-chiefs-debut-on-thursday-night/

Stopped watch effect?

[Oaf]

Go Chiefs.

It's not like they can't win this game 31-0 then blow the rest of the season.

:ontome:

[YardRat]

Not watching. **** the Patriots.

[justasportsfan]

The Chiefs have a lot going for them with a great pass rush and one of the best secondaries in the NFL.

On offense Kelce, Hill and their running game are tough matchups for any team.

I want KC to win, whatever draft picks we end up with are not going to change much based on one win and even a couple of spots means nothing.
"It starts with one ......" loss and our draft pick from KC gets better. You're looking at it the wrong way. If the Pats lose, it doesn't help us one bit and it won't affect their chances to make playoffs. The are going to make playoffs anyways. A KC loss helps us. I know you're making an emotional choice rather than one that helps this team.

[justasportsfan]

Might as well make this the game day thread unless skoob wants to start an official one

[YardRat]

This is the first time in 50 years that I can remember fans rooting for/against a team to help Buffalo's draft position IN THE VERY FIRST GAME OF THE ****ING SEASON!

[Novacane]

We've gotta have something to look forward to. It's looking like a long painful season.

[Night Train]

As much as I want the Chefs to suck so bad to get a high draft pick, I cannot cheer for the cheatriots to win. It's not like we are going anywhere this year so go Pats? :puke:

So it's a good night to watch a movie and check the score in the morning.

Got it.

[justasportsfan]

So it's a good night to watch a movie and check the score in the morning.

Got it.
I'm watching in case Brady gets pounded repeatedly

[swiper]

Not watching. **** the Patriots.

Liar.

[swiper]

This is the first time in 50 years that I can remember fans rooting for/against a team to help Buffalo's draft position IN THE VERY FIRST GAME OF THE ****ING SEASON!

**** that. I am rooting for KC. All the way.

[Mace]

Just looking forward to watching regular season football. After the year I've had I wasn't even sure how I'd make it to September, but I evidently did.

[SpikedLemonade]

Hitting stride right now.

Too busy to start drinking early today but I am now doing shots, left over Pina Coladas and IPA Craft Beer in my Man Cave.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLom-87AmO8

[sudzy]

The last time KC play NE week 1


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just throwing it out there.

[BertSquirtgum]

I hope a north korean ballistic missle flies into the stadium and blows off one of Tom Brady's legs.

[Scumbag College]

The last time KC play NE week 1


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just throwing it out there.

I know that we shouldn't laugh at human beings being hurt, but Tom Brady is the smegma accumulating under Satan's taint. Thus, he isn't officially a "human being."

Thank you for such a lovely walk down Memory Lane.

[Mr. Pink]

I have it on to enjoy some good football.

Watching teams like these make you realize just how far away the bottom feeders really are.

Gilislee still hasn't even seen the field, but 4 other NE RBs have :rofl:

Gilislee got the goaline carry and NE held.

And another carry and TD this time.

[Scumbag College]

I like that the KC starting RB has a 100% fumble rate in NFL carries.

[Skooby]

We can't lose in this game, unless there's a tie.

[Ingtar33]

nice seeing a former bill score a TD, shame it was for the pats.

[kishoph]

Good thing the Bills didn't pay to keep Gillislee.

[cookie G]

Good thing the Bills didn't pay to keep Gillislee.

he wouldn't buy in to tanking either.

[Mace]

I don't care what anyone says about Alex Smith, the man is a good QB.

[Mr. Pink]

Kareem Hunt's looking pretty good after his opening fumble.

[Ed]

I still want the Pats to win, but Stephon Gilmore getting torched for a 75 yd TD pass makes me LOL.

[Skooby]

I still want the Pats to win, but Stephon Gilmore getting torched for a 75 yd TD pass makes me LOL.
This made me so F-n happy I could spit, he's from Buffalo too there. Why aren't these A-wipe announcers talking about that now ??

[Mr. Pink]

To be fair to Gilmore, Tyreek Hill could have outran Deion Sanders in his prime.

[Scumbag College]

Hightower looks to have done some real damage to his knee. Excuse me while I don't shed a tear.

[streetkings01]

To be fair to Gilmore, Tyreek Hill could have outran Deion Sanders in his prime.Didnt Prime run a 4.11 at the combine.........he ain't outrunning Deion Sanders bro.

[Mr. Pink]

Didnt Prime run a 4.11 at the combine.........he ain't outrunning Deion Sanders bro.

Deion ran a 4.27 officially.

Tyreek ran a 4.24 officially.

Plus Tyreek ran the 100m in 10.19

Tyreek is outrunning Deion.

[Skooby]

Stopwatches are different than digital timing.

[GreedoII]

Good thing the Bills didn't pay to keep Gillislee.

lol...wait he has 2 1yd td's and 12 carries for 44 yds...yeah he's dominating all right. LOL.....bunch of morons in here...stop reading twitter and listening to Al Michaels of all people

[Scumbag College]

I hate the Patriots.

[Mace]

To be fair to Gilmore, Tyreek Hill could have outran Deion Sanders in his prime.

Wasn't even that, Gilmore looked as lost and looking for someone to bail him out as he did sometimes here. That's what you get with him as a man corner.

[Thurmal]

Close Patriots game and the refs are currently calling the penalties 6:1 in favor of NE. SHOCKER!!!

[justasportsfan]

I still want the Pats to win, but Stephon Gilmore getting torched for a 75 yd TD pass makes me LOL.
So does this piss off people that we didn't pay Gilmore like we didn't pay Gillislee?

[Turf]

**** YES!!!

[k-oneputt]

Get ready, Pats are losing, the flags will really start flying

[Goobylal]

lol...wait he has 2 1yd td's and 12 carries for 44 yds...yeah he's dominating all right. LOL.....bunch of morons in here...stop reading twitter and listening to Al Michaels of all people

He's basically a higher-paid Legarette Blount. And like Hogan, wholly inconsequential to whether they win or lose.

[CommissarSpartacus]

Pats defense stinks...

[Luisito23]

Alex Smith is impressive...

Someone said that Taylor was better, lol, must've been high as S***.

[Mad Max]

Alex Smith is impressive...

Someone said that Taylor was better, lol, must've been high as S***.
Alex Smith is one of those dudes hat never gets the love he deserves (from me included).

Tyrod can't hold his jock. He's barely better han Joe Webb.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Game! The Pats D looks awful.

[Turf]

OMG I just love this.

[Mr. Pink]

Well anyone who had any delusions of the Chiefs pick being top 10 should have those delusions crushed now.

[Ed]

Game over. Pats have given up.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

I never write the cheaties off but they look absolutely lost. This kinda looks like the the 94 opener when we lost to the Jets.

[Mace]

Pats aren't going undefeated. Snicker...

[Ed]

So what's KC doing at QB next year? Keep Alex Smith for one more year? Extend him? Trade Mahomes? Who should the Bills hope for, Smith or Mahomes?

[Goobylal]

So what's KC doing at QB next year? Keep Alex Smith for one more year? Extend him? Trade Mahomes? Who should the Bills hope for, Smith or Mahomes?

Depends on how far he takes them. Another early playoff loss and he's gone.

[kishoph]

lol...wait he has 2 1yd td's and 12 carries for 44 yds...yeah he's dominating all right. LOL.....bunch of morons in here...stop reading twitter and listening to Al Michaels of all people

Three TD's on goal line runs which are never a gimme, maybe watch the game instead of just how to look at a stat line. Was it worth losing Gillislee for what would of amounted to a couple hundred thousand dollars ? Or do you believe that Joe Banyard or Mike Tolbert will match the output Gillislee put up for the Bills the last 2 seasons ? And you have the nerve to call people "morons.".

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Well I did not watch or pay attention to the game cause I knew the pats would win..... At leaste I was productive last night lol. Niece to see the tears of the enemy this morning hahahaha

[djjimkelly]

Alex Smith is one of those dudes hat never gets the love he deserves (from me included).

Tyrod can't hold his jock. He's barely better han Joe Webb.

give joe webb as many starts as tyrod he may be better and i think joe webb sucks

[bdutton]

https://i.imgflip.com/1viea5.jpg

[CommissarSpartacus]

Three TD's on goal line runs which are never a gimme, maybe watch the game instead of just how to look at a stat line. Was it worth losing Gillislee for what would of amounted to a couple hundred thousand dollars ? Or do you believe that Joe Banyard or Mike Tolbert will match the output Gillislee put up for the Bills the last 2 seasons ? And you have the nerve to call people "morons.".

He also got into the end zone a fourth time which was called back.

And the two where he was stuffed he was called to run right up the gut with the stacked Chiefs D just waiting for him. Bad play calls.

Other than that, he had several nice runs. He was the best Pats player in a game where everyone else sucked.

[Ingtar33]

when's the last time you saw TB throw for 44% completions?

Brady was almost as bad as his defense last night. Looks like age has caught up to him (finally)

[CommissarSpartacus]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/7/16272500/mike-gillislee-touchdowns-patriots-chiefs

Video of Gillislee's 3 tds...

Also from the link...

Gillislee wasn’t supposed to be a Patriot this year. He was drafted by Miami in 2013, but found a home in Buffalo the last two seasons. His second year in Buffalo was an efficient one — he averaged a league-high 5.7 yards per carry on 101 total attempts, and had*the highest DVOA by any back by far. But the Bills*tendered Gillislee for only $1.8 million*in the offseason, meaning the Pats could snag him and Buffalo would be compensated only a fifth-round pick. Had Buffalo offered another $900,000 or so, New England would have had to give up a second-round pick to sign him — a price that would likely have been too steep for Bill Belichick

[BillyT92679]

I never write the cheaties off but they look absolutely lost. This kinda looks like the the 94 opener when we lost to the Jets.
Brady looks like 1996 Jim Kelly or 2015 Peyton. When dudes hit a wall, they hit a wall.

This was different than them getting their asses kicked two years ago in KC. This was a HOME season opener. This is a team that looks old and slow, not mentally distracted.

[Jeff1220]

I'll believe Brady has hit a wall aif the rest of the season goes this way. How many times have we seen Brady and the Pats have one bad game, he puts on his pouty face, then they dominate the rest of the way. I feel sorry for the Saints having to play them next week.

[BillyT92679]

Well sure, he's an HOF, but as Rocky Balboa said "time takes everyone out. It's undefeated"

[Mahdi]

Brady looks like 1996 Jim Kelly or 2015 Peyton. When dudes hit a wall, they hit a wall.

This was different than them getting their asses kicked two years ago in KC. This was a HOME season opener. This is a team that looks old and slow, not mentally distracted.

I dont know about that but he definitely missed Edelman. The offense has always been based on the slot receiver and they're going to have to find a solution to that. Cooks might be used inside more.

[Goobylal]

Three TD's on goal line runs which are never a gimme, maybe watch the game instead of just how to look at a stat line. Was it worth losing Gillislee for what would of amounted to a couple hundred thousand dollars ? Or do you believe that Joe Banyard or Mike Tolbert will match the output Gillislee put up for the Bills the last 2 seasons ? And you have the nerve to call people "morons.".

The Bills have been able to find guys off the street to be Shady's backup and produce. Why should this year be any different?

As for MG, he's basically their higher-priced replacement for Blount. Except MG isn't a starting caliber RB and is best suited for a backup role.

[kishoph]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/7/16272500/mike-gillislee-touchdowns-patriots-chiefs

Video of Gillislee's 3 tds...

Also from the link...

Gillislee wasn’t supposed to be a Patriot this year. He was drafted by Miami in 2013, but found a home in Buffalo the last two seasons. His second year in Buffalo was an efficient one — he averaged a league-high 5.7 yards per carry on 101 total attempts, and had*the highest DVOA by any back by far. But the Bills*tendered Gillislee for only $1.8 million*in the offseason, meaning the Pats could snag him and Buffalo would be compensated only a fifth-round pick. Had Buffalo offered another $900,000 or so, New England would have had to give up a second-round pick to sign him — a price that would likely have been too steep for Bill Belichick

It might have been even less than $900,000, I sort of remember OBD having to pay him like $2.2 million in order to be compensated with a 2nd round pick, I could be wrong though. People like to throw around the $4 million dollar figure to feel better about losing him. If the Bills were proactive, it would of never have come to that. As you said, it's doubtful the Pats would have given up a 2nd round pick to sign him.

[Goobylal]

It might have been even less than $900,000, I sort of remember OBD having to pay him like $2.2 million in order to be compensated with a 2nd round pick, I could be wrong though. People like to throw around the $4 million dollar figure to feel better about losing him. If the Bills were proactive, it would of never have come to that. As you said, it's doubtful the Pats would have given up a 2nd round pick to sign him.

The Bills had every chance to match the offer the Cheaters made. They chose not to.

[CommissarSpartacus]

The Bills had every chance to match the offer the Cheaters made. They chose not to.

The Bills have "chosen" to do a whole bunch of things over the last 18 years.

Sorry, but justifying a move because the Bills brain trust "chose" to do it doesn't carry a whole lot of weight

[swiper]

The Bills have "chosen" to do a whole bunch of things over the last 18 years.

Sorry, but justifying a move because the Bills brain trust "chose" to do it doesn't carry a whole lot of weight

This is new braintrust. Beane and McDermott calling the shots.

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The Bills have "chosen" to do a whole bunch of things over the last 18 years.

Sorry, but justifying a move because the Bills brain trust "chose" to do it doesn't carry a whole lot of weight

This is new braintrust. Beane and McDermott calling the shots.

[CommissarSpartacus]

This is new braintrust. Beane and McDermott calling the shots..

Same thing was said about the Tom Donahoe/Greg Williams, Tom Donahoe/Mike Mularky, Marv Levy/Dick Jauron, Buddy Nix/Chan Gaily, Big Idiot/Doug Marrone and Big Idiot/Ryan Bros brain trust.

[Goobylal]

The Bills have "chosen" to do a whole bunch of things over the last 18 years.

Sorry, but justifying a move because the Bills brain trust "chose" to do it doesn't carry a whole lot of weight

I don't need to justify anything. For starters, MG was a backup RB. The Bills will find his replacement in Banyard and Tolbert. It's not a concern.

As for Gillislee helping the Cheaters, again as I said, he's more expensive version of Blount, except Blount has proven to be a #1 RB and Gillislee has proven to not be. And the Cheaters are capable of winning without him, Hogan, or even Gilmore.

But as others have said, this is a different owner and management. The past means little.

[CommissarSpartacus]

But as others have said, this is a different owner and management. The past means little.

“Anyone who studies present and ancient affairs will easily see how in all cities and all peoples there still exist, and have always existed, the same desires and passions. Thus, it is an easy matter for him who carefully examines past events to foresee future events in a republic and to apply the remedies employed by the ancients, or, if old remedies cannot be found, to devise new ones based upon the similarity of the events. But since these matters are neglected or not understood by those who read, or, if understood, remain unknown to those who govern, the result is that the same problems always exist in every era.”
―*Niccolò Machiavelli

[swiper]

Same thing was said about the Tom Donahoe/Greg Williams, Tom Donahoe/Mike Mularky, Marv Levy/Dick Jauron, Buddy Nix/Chan Gaily, Big Idiot/Doug Marrone and Big Idiot/Ryan Bros brain trust.

No it wasn't not by smart Bills fans. You'd have to be able to recognize that though. You clearly can't. You're still enamored with Tom Clements after all. That's all that needs to be said.

[swiper]

“Anyone who studies present and ancient affairs will easily see how in all cities and all peoples there still exist, and have always existed, the same desires and passions. Thus, it is an easy matter for him who carefully examines past events to foresee future events in a republic and to apply the remedies employed by the ancients, or, if old remedies cannot be found, to devise new ones based upon the similarity of the events. But since these matters are neglected or not understood by those who read, or, if understood, remain unknown to those who govern, the result is that the same problems always exist in every era.”
―*Niccolò Machiavelli

The only person here that doesn't understand seems to be you. Losman loves you.

[Arm of Harm]

It might have been even less than $900,000, I sort of remember OBD having to pay him like $2.2 million in order to be compensated with a 2nd round pick, I could be wrong though. People like to throw around the $4 million dollar figure to feel better about losing him. If the Bills were proactive, it would of never have come to that. As you said, it's doubtful the Pats would have given up a 2nd round pick to sign him.
And if the Patriots were willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him, that's fine too. I certainly wouldn't object to us picking up another 2nd round pick! :rockon:

[CommissarSpartacus]

No it wasn't not by smart Bills fans. You'd have to be able to recognize that though. You clearly can't. You're still enamored with Tom Clements after all. That's all that needs to be said.

Tom Clements has a Superbowl ring...

[CommissarSpartacus]

The only person here that doesn't understand seems to be you. Losman loves you.

God, you're such a nerd.

It's guys just like you that are responsible for the Bills status as a national joke.

I bet you even have that horrible western New York accent that makes the listener cringe with embarrassment.

I keep forgetting western New York is basically hicksville.

[cookie G]

The only person here that doesn't understand seems to be you. Losman loves you.

Well, count me in among the idiots who don't understand the "this is a new brain trust" argument. The McBeanie Boy McBraintrust has no track record to just accept their decisions without thought. Its not like they snagged John Schneider out of Seattle or Ted Thompson from Green Bay.

To the contrary, their actions this offseason leads one to question them even more.

Now I should probably go. McBeanie is probably going to trade me for a Panthers fan and a 2025 fan draft pick.

[justasportsfan]

Tom Clements has a Superbowl ring...
It would be interesting to see if he could win one without Aaron Rodgers

[CommissarSpartacus]

It would be interesting to see if he could win one without Aaron Rodgers

Aaron Rogers hasn't won one without Tom Clements.

Well see how he (Rogers) plays this year after McCarthy stabbed him (Clements) in the back after making McCarthy look good for years.

[Goobylal]

Well, count me in among the idiots who don't understand the "this is a new brain trust" argument. The McBeanie Boy McBraintrust has no track record to just accept their decisions without thought. Its not like they snagged John Schneider out of Seattle or Ted Thompson from Green Bay.

To the contrary, their actions this offseason leads one to question them even more.

Now I should probably go. McBeanie is probably going to trade me for a Panthers fan and a 2025 fan draft pick.

There is no track record yet, obviously. But it doesn't look like the same old, same old. In the past, they'd have kept Sammy for the year and then watched him walk for nothing because he didn't prove to be worth and they didn't want to pay him $12M+/year. Now they get a 2nd rounder. Likewise for Darby, who I was shocked they got a 3rd for, much less Jordan Matthews, given how horribly he played last year.

And the Cheaters are giving Gilmore $13M/year and $40M guaranteed, and paying MG $3.2M/year, and did they win? And that was with Tommy Boy at QB, not Tyrod, or EJ, or Orton, or...

[Mace]

Well, count me in among the idiots who don't understand the "this is a new brain trust" argument. The McBeanie Boy McBraintrust has no track record to just accept their decisions without thought. Its not like they snagged John Schneider out of Seattle or Ted Thompson from Green Bay.

To the contrary, their actions this offseason leads one to question them even more.

Now I should probably go. McBeanie is probably going to trade me for a Panthers fan and a 2025 fan draft pick.

Well, I don't count anyone an idiot for being dubious or pessimistic. As Spartacus pointed out, you can't ignore the pattern and precedents, and wonder about some of the offseason activity.

By the same token though, I personally see a different more sensible logic at work to find a hope for progress, and feel it to be only logical to give McBeane an initial chance to build a program and don't want anyone thinking me an idiot for it.

I naturally suspect it won't work. But I absolutely felt the same with less optimism for the Levy Bills. Geez, they haven't even played a regular season game yet. It's not reasonable to me, for me, to conclude anything, but it's not unreasonable to hope for something this early.

Precedent is depressing and significant, but change is possible in a dynamic world. Maybe McBeane is aware of that Spartacus point as well. We'll find out.

[Arm of Harm]

Well, I don't count anyone an idiot for being dubious or pessimistic. As Spartacus pointed out, you can't ignore the pattern and precedents, and wonder about some of the offseason activity.

By the same token though, I personally see a different more sensible logic at work to find a hope for progress, and feel it to be only logical to give McBeane an initial chance to build a program and don't want anyone thinking me an idiot for it.

I naturally suspect it won't work. But I absolutely felt the same with less optimism for the Levy Bills. Geez, they haven't even played a regular season game yet. It's not reasonable to me, for me, to conclude anything, but it's not unreasonable to hope for something this early.

Precedent is depressing and significant, but change is possible in a dynamic world. Maybe McBeane is aware of that Spartacus point as well. We'll find out.

When I saw that the Bills had traded down in the draft, in exchange for future picks, I was very surprised. It didn't seem like a Doug Whaley move. When I later learned that it was McDermott, not Whaley, who'd been calling the shots on draft day, I thought to myself, ah, this makes sense.

During the playoff drought, some of the guiding principles of the Bills' FO had been shortsightedness and failure to plan ahead. They were not the team to acquire extra picks in future drafts. This head coach and front office, on the other hand, are clearly cut from a different cloth. I liked the fact we got a 2nd round pick out of Sammy Watkins, instead of simply letting him walk with no compensation. (As just happened with Gilmore.)

I'm not guaranteeing that this front office will be good. Only time will tell us that. What I am saying is that they've already shown us signs they're different than the incompetent front offices we're used to. They deserve at least to be evaluated on their own merits, not lumped in with the sins of the past.