QB WATCH for tonight

[Mad Max]

I think these are national games so catch a look if interested.

Mississippi St./LSU
Nick Fitzgerald runs too much but up and comer

Oregon/Wyoming
Justin Herbert Vs. Josh Allen

I like Herbert a LOT, problem he's not going to Thanks be available for a couple of years. He's the star here, Josh Allen I just am not a fan of. bonus Royce Freeman RB beastly.

Clemson/Louisville
Lamar Jackson. Fun college player, going to get killed in the NFL I fear.

[Mad Max]

USC
Darnold is playing as well

[Mad Max]

Looks like my top guys crushed it earlier today:

Mayfield

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/mayfield-throws-4-tds-as-no-2-oklahoma-tops-tulane-56-14/2017/09/16/7e88e16c-9b49-11e7-af6a-6555caaeb8dc_story.html

Rudolph

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/oklahoma-states-mason-rudolph-hangs-423-yards-5-tds-pitt-first-half-181353750.html

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Looks like my top guys crushed it earlier today:

Mayfield

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/mayfield-throws-4-tds-as-no-2-oklahoma-tops-tulane-56-14/2017/09/16/7e88e16c-9b49-11e7-af6a-6555caaeb8dc_story.html

Rudolph

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/oklahoma-states-mason-rudolph-hangs-423-yards-5-tds-pitt-first-half-181353750.html

[swiper]

Wow. That Rudolph kid looks good. Does he ever take snaps from under center?

[k-oneputt]

Darnold and Rudolph are 1,2 in my book.

[swiper]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20726737/memphis-tigers-coach-enjoys-statement-win-ucla-bruins

Josh Rosen fails to deliver on final chance to win it. He had 463 yards passing. UCLA had 633 total yards. Big win for the Memphis 35 year old coach. Riley Ferguson is a QB to watch. 398 yards and 6 TD passes.

Here's the QB comparison from the game: http://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=400935270

[Night Train]

Darnold and Rudolph are 1,2 in my book.

Darnold has 6 INT's already and something like 13 in his last 9 games. I'm not following any blind hype until he shows more poise. Makes too many bad decisions.

Rudolph, Mayfield and Rosen are the best so far.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Darnold has 6 INT's already and something like 13 in his last 9 games. I'm not following any blind hype until he shows more poise. Makes too many bad decisions.

Rudolph, Mayfield and Rosen are the best so far.
Saw the pick-6 Darnold threw and it was all on the receiver. Hit him at chest height in stride across the middle and the receiver just plain let it bounce off his hands. On the final drive, he was swarmed in and threw an amazing jump pass that put them in field goal range to tie it. That kid is legit.

[DraftBoy]

Saw the pick-6 Darnold threw and it was all on the receiver. Hit him at chest height in stride across the middle and the receiver just plain let it bounce off his hands. On the final drive, he was swarmed in and threw an amazing jump pass that put them in field goal range to tie it. That kid is legit.

But the drive (or two) before that he made a criminal decision that resulted in another INT that could of cost USC the game. Darnold's issues are almost entirely his own doing, he has so much talent but appears to have some really bad mechanical tendencies.

[k-oneputt]

Darnold has the clutch gene. He makes plays in the pressure situations with the game on the line, and that is what separates the qb's. He did it again last night. He did it in the Rosw bowl against Penn St. Kid has the "it" factor.

[DraftBoy]

Darnold has the clutch gene. He makes plays in the pressure situations with the game on the line, and that is what separates the qb's. He did it again last night. He did it in the Rosw bowl against Penn St. Kid has the "it" factor.

He also helped to create the situation that required clutch last night. If he had played all night the way he did on those final two drives then Texas isn't within 3 scores of USC, but he didn't have a good night overall and that shouldn't be ignored because he finished strong. Same situation as Rosen in Week 1.

[k-oneputt]

Darnold has 6 INT's already and something like 13 in his last 9 games. I'm not following any blind hype until he shows more poise. Makes too many bad decisions.

Rudolph, Mayfield and Rosen are the best so far.

Shows more poise ???? He has all kinds of poise. You obviously didn't watch the game last night. Game was on the line and he won it.

[k-oneputt]

Well you guys won't have to worry about him because he is going first pick in the draft.

I'm sure we will end up with some qb from one of the little underdog schools or the wr playing qb at Louisville.

[DraftBoy]

Well you guys won't have to worry about him because he is going first pick in the draft.

I'm sure we will end up with some qb from one of the little underdog schools or the wr playing qb at Louisville.

I'll take Rudolph and not lose any sleep.

[ICRockets]

Shows more poise ???? He has all kinds of poise. You obviously didn't watch the game last night. Game was on the line and he won it.

The Bills play the Panthers today. Do you recall what happened the last time we played them?

[k-oneputt]

The Bills play the Panthers today. Do you recall what happened the last time we played them?
The best NFL game EJ ever played ? Who cares .

[ICRockets]

The best NFL game EJ ever played ? Who cares .

I'd say he showed an awful lot of "poise" winning that at the last second, wouldn't you?

[k-oneputt]

I'd say he showed an awful lot of "poise" winning that at the last second, wouldn't you?
So what stupid point you trying to make ?

[ICRockets]

So what stupid point you trying to make ?

That just because a QB wins a game in crunch time doesn't make them good. You're really that stupid that I had to spell it out for you?

[k-oneputt]

That just because a QB wins a game in crunch time doesn't make them good. You're really that stupid that I had to spell it out for you?
Oh boy. I can't believe I'm even wasting time with you, but do you even watch these college qb's being talked about ?
Or do you just want to come in here and talk stupid. Shouldn't you be in the lib forum crying about Bernie.

[Ed]

I recorded the Clemson/Louisville game because I was interested in seeing Lamar Jackson play, but I came away a lot more impressed with Clemson's qb.

[swiper]

Oh boy. I can't believe I'm even wasting time with you, but do you even watch these college qb's being talked about ?
Or do you just want to come in here and talk stupid. Shouldn't you be in the lib forum crying about Bernie.

You're not worried about all the INTs?

[Mr. Pink]

Luke Falk. 37/49 396 yards 6 TDs.

Had a bad week last week, but rebounded nicely against a poor Oregon State squad. Have to see how he does against real competition, even though DB isn't a fan of him. :rofl:

[WagonCircler]

Shows more poise ???? He has all kinds of poise. You obviously didn't watch the game last night. Game was on the line and he won it.

Not to mention the Rose Bowl last year.

[psubills62]

I'm a fan of Darnold. This year will be interesting though, because last year his offense had a ton of experience. Not as much this year, and it showed against Texas because the OL struggled to protect him.

To me, the idea of the elite QB is dying. It was Manning/Brady for a while. Who is succeeding them? Rodgers is the closest I've seen. Everyone else is just good to very good. Darnold would be one of those, in my book, and he does seem to have the elusive "it" factor.

[k-oneputt]

You're not worried about all the INTs?
I'm not saying he's perfect. His throwing motion is a little long and his footwork is sloppy at times. He throws from a lot of different arm angles but he is pretty accurate. He can work on those things and he will with NFL coaching . What he does have is poise, a calmness when the pressure is at it's greatest, the big stage and bright lights don't bother him, he doesn't shrink in the moment, he rises and his teammates believe in him. Clutch. The "it" . Few have it.

[Kenny]

Thought I'd bump this up:

After 3 games

Mason Rudolph (6-5, 230) (SR)
72% 68-94 ,1135 yds, 11 tds, 1 int and 3 sacks

Luke Falk (6-4, 223)(SR)
77% 94-122, 900 yds, 9 tds. 1 int and 7 sacks

Sam Darnold (6-4,220)(SO)
67% 72-108, 1002 yds, 7 tds, 6 ints and 6 sacks

Lamar Jackson (6-3,211)(JR)
59% 76-127, 1088 yds, 8 tds,1 ints and 6 sacks

Baker Mayfield (6-1,220)(SR)
76% 63-82, 1046 yds,10 tds,0 ints and 4 sacks

Josh Rosen (6-4,218)(JR)
65% 91-140,1283 yds, 13 tds, 2 ints and 6 sacks

Josh Allen (6-5,233)(JR)
56% 54-96, 566 yds, 2 tds, 3 ints and 5 sacks

Jake Browning (6-2,210)(JR)
74% 58-78, 798 yds, 8 tds, 1 ints and 1 sack

[Mad Max]

Couple of updates:

Rudolph had a mediocre day and his team lost. 2 TD 2 INT. I'm good with this, hopefully it keeps him off the middle of the radar scope for the teams crappier than us this season.

Here's a thought on him by a scout.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000848845/article/josh-allen-poses-nfl-dilemma-round-1-look-for-mason-rudolph%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Dcollege-football&p.ct=CFB+24%252F7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%2523ffffff&p.bgc1m=%2523000000&sr=amp

Mayfield- Another great day 3 TD 0 INT games not over but looks like a win

Darnold- ok day 2 TD 1 INT and a win

[Mad Max]

Shortly on Tv

Josh Rosen on ESPN

Josh Allen ESPN2 (for anyone still riding his bandwagon)

[Mad Max]

Luke Falk threw for his usual 400 plus yards (5 TD)

WTF numbers, I can't get past the system and his noodly looking arm. But what do I know...dude loves him some Tom Brady, maybe he'll become the next.

[Mad Max]

An FYI

I just discovered the Fox Sports GO app

Never heard of it before, it's letting me watch a couple of out of market games.

Jake Browning of the Huskies is up next

[DraftBoy]

Woodside with a huge day.

[Mad Max]

Woodside with a huge day.
Another video game guy eh. Gotta catch him on tv sometime

[DraftBoy]

Another video game guy eh. Gotta catch him on tv sometime

Huh?

[Mad Max]

Huh?

He puts up video game numbers ala Luke Falk. I need to catch him on tv

[Mr. Pink]

Luke Falk threw for his usual 400 plus yards (5 TD)

WTF numbers, I can't get past the system and his noodly looking arm. But what do I know...dude loves him some Tom Brady, maybe he'll become the next.

Luke has some quirky mechanics and the system allows him to produce video game numbers but he's the most accurate passer I've ever seen.

Whether or not his ability will translate to the pro game remains to be seen but he's a guy worth taking a chance on outside of the first round.

[Mouldsie]

Couple of updates:

Rudolph had a mediocre day and his team lost. 2 TD 2 INT. I'm good with this, hopefully it keeps him off the middle of the radar scope for the teams crappier than us this season.

Here's a thought on him by a scout.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000848845/article/josh-allen-poses-nfl-dilemma-round-1-look-for-mason-rudolph%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Dcollege-football&p.ct=CFB+24%252F7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%2523ffffff&p.bgc1m=%2523000000&sr=amp

Mayfield- Another great day 3 TD 0 INT games not over but looks like a win

Darnold- ok day 2 TD 1 INT and a win

I know you like Mayfield... are you sure he has the arm to play in the NFL and isn't just a great NCAA QB?

[Mad Max]

I know you like Mayfield... are you sure he has the arm to play in the NFL and isn't just a great NCAA QB?

I think he's got plenty of arm. He's no Jeff George for sure but he has more than enough for the NFL.

I like several things about him, he has risen to the occasion against good teams with lots of future pro talent on them, he is very elusive and accurate on the run, he's fiery, looks like a leader, makes smart decisions, can run a little but always looks to throw first. He's a winner, he has "it".

What I don't like, he's a little short (but so are Drew Brees and a Russell Wilson Dak Prescott?) and he's a little too cocky at times...he MUST tone that down.

If draft were today my draft board for QB would have Rudolph, Darnold, Mayfield in that order.

Here's a highlight reel of Mayfield BTW...a few 40-50 yard (in the air) throws he didn't have trouble making.

[Mad Max]

I think he's got plenty of arm. He's no Jeff George for sure but he has more than enough for the NFL.

I like several things about him, he has risen to the occasion against good teams with lots of future pro talent on them, he is very elusive and accurate on the run, he's fiery, looks like a leader, makes smart decisions, can run a little but always looks to throw first. He's a winner, he has "it".

What I don't like, he's a little short (but so are Drew Brees and a Russell Wilson Dak Prescott?) and he's a little too cocky at times...he MUST tone that down.

If draft were today my draft board for QB would have Rudolph, Darnold, Mayfield in that order.

Here's a highlight reel of Mayfield BTW...a few 40-50 yard (in the air) throws he didn't have trouble making.

https://youtu.be/gk7VTo8Ipjc

[Mouldsie]

I think he's got plenty of arm. He's no Jeff George for sure but he has more than enough for the NFL.

I like several things about him, he has risen to the occasion against good teams with lots of future pro talent on them, he is very elusive and accurate on the run, he's fiery, looks like a leader, makes smart decisions, can run a little but always looks to throw first. He's a winner, he has "it".

What I don't like, he's a little short (but so are Drew Brees and a Russell Wilson Dak Prescott?) and he's a little too cocky at times...he MUST tone that down.

If draft were today my draft board for QB would have Rudolph, Darnold, Mayfield in that order.

Here's a highlight reel of Mayfield BTW...a few 40-50 yard (in the air) throws he didn't have trouble making.
You could be describing Tim Tebow.

I am skeptical of him. Will try and watch with a more open mind.

[Mad Max]

You could be describing Tim Tebow.

I am skeptical of him. Will try and watch with a more open mind.

Tebow haha, I liked Tebow as a strictly college QB...this kid is no Tebow.

Time will tell.

[DraftBoy]

He puts up video game numbers ala Luke Falk. I need to catch him on tv

He's a small school QB who put up good numbers v. a Power 5 D.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Mayfield has some Kelly's mentality and I love his fire. However, whether he can succeed at the next level with his Tebow-ish style is still a question mark.

I believe our GM. coach, and scouting department will be looking for a pocket passer. More of having that unique sense of pocket awareness (can't be taught) than move around and make plays.

[psubills62]

I can't get behind anyone who comes from Mike Leach's system.

[Mad Max]

For our west coast people and nightowls everywhere else:

Darnold Vs Falk tonight ESPN.

should be fun

[Mace]

To me, seems like Darnold is trying too hard early. No secret there are 22 scouts there, Washington State receivers dropping a lot of decent balls.

[Mad Max]

To me, seems like Darnold is trying too hard early. No secret there are 22 scouts there, Washington State receivers dropping a lot of decent balls.
I think all the back ups in front of Darnold aren't helping him much either.

My takeaway from this game is I'm not liking Luke Falk at all. Of course he's hitting at 70+ % most of his passes are designed to go like 6 yards. I don't see enough arm and he holds the ball way too long. I get a Rob Johnson vibe from this dude...except with a noodle arm instead of Johnson's cannon...

[Mace]

I think all the back ups in front of Darnold aren't helping him much either.

My takeaway from this game is I'm not liking Luke Falk at all. Of course he's hitting at 70+ % most of his passes are designed to go like 6 yards. I don't see enough arm and he holds the ball way too long. I get a Rob Johnson vibe from this dude...except with a noodle arm instead of Johnson's cannon...

Well, it looks to me at least like Falk has a good arm, but the "holding the ball too long" part looks critical. If he does that from the shotgun in an air raid offense, under center in a pro offense, he's going to be tragic.

Darnold is certainly affected by the line injuries, but looks like he needs more college experience.

They both look like they're going to struggle with the pro game pace and competition (to me).

[ICRockets]

Darnold looks like he needs more college experience.

Yep, I came here to say exactly the same thing. If his family doesn't DEMAND that he stay in school for another year, for his own good, then he needs to fire them and find a new family.

[Wally The Barber]

Why are we watching quarterbacks again?

Nathan Peterman won't retire until 2032

[Mad Max]

Mason Rudolph on now.
FOX

getting harassed a bit but slinging it

[Mad Max]

Shea Patterson on now Vs. Bama

ESPN

[Mad Max]

Mason Rudolph on now.
FOX

getting harassed a bit but slinging it

Another TD by Rudolph. Getting flushed out of the pocket frequently yet staying focused and accurate.

[Mad Max]

Another TD by Rudolph. Getting flushed out of the pocket frequently yet staying focused and accurate.
https://mobile.twitter.com/OSUAthletics/status/914298611273314304/video/1

[Mad Max]

Another TD. This time rushing.

[Luisito23]

I really hope Rudolph is our future.

[Mad Max]

I really hope Rudolph is our future.
Yep. He keeps getting compared to Rottenbooger...fair comparison imho.

[Mad Max]

Justin Herbert Oregon

FOX app

nice start. TD

[Mace]

Watching Oklahoma State vs. Texas Tech, love the enthusiasm and pace of the college game. Still not convinced it translates to pro though.

Another great game in any case at this point.

[Mad Max]

Watching Oklahoma State vs. Texas Tech, love the enthusiasm and pace of the college game. Still not convinced it translates to pro though.

Another great game in any case at this point.

This kids talent is going to translate to a top 15 pick in April...hopefully to the Bills.

If we can take chances on jabronis like Maybin, Flowers, Williams,Mckelvin,Losman, we may as well roll the dice on a better than 50/50 imho that unlike the other names has been undeniable in college.

[DraftBoy]

Right now I'd say Rudolph is the #1 QB in the class, regardless of what Darnold does.

[Mace]

This kids talent is going to translate to a top 15 pick in April...hopefully to the Bills.

If we can take chances on jabronis like Maybin, Flowers, Williams,Mckelvin,Losman, we may as well roll the dice on a better than 50/50 imho that unlike the other names has been undeniable in college.

Maybe. I might end up looking stupid for saying it, and I'm not saying we shouldn't take a QB early, depending, but I'm not sure we don't already have a better QB that can translate to pro in Peterman. Talent gets players selected early and offers hope (or fantasies) but I'm still not convinced shotgun talent translates. Still think we're not so much looking for "The One" as committing to someone who can push Peterman as a backup. I don't mind being heckled if I'm wrong and there's a lot of season to go yet.

[kingJofNYC]

Right now I'd say Rudolph is the #1 QB in the class, regardless of what Darnold does.
I'm not sure what's going to happen, but QB needy teams will definitely have some options if these kids all come out.

[Mad Max]

Maybe. I might end up looking stupid for saying it, and I'm not saying we shouldn't take a QB early, depending, but I'm not sure we don't already have a better QB that can translate to pro in Peterman. Talent gets players selected early and offers hope (or fantasies) but I'm still not convinced shotgun talent translates. Still think we're not so much looking for "The One" as committing to someone who can push Peterman as a backup. I don't mind being heckled if I'm wrong and there's a lot of season to go yet.

We haven't seen any of these guys play in the NFL so your opinion is as good as anyone's. Question out of curiosity you'd take Peterman if you had to choose between him and Rudolph, assuming Rudolph was there for the taking?

[swiper]

Right now I'd say Rudolph is the #1 QB in the class, regardless of what Darnold does.

He would look good in a Bills uniform. We all knew the top QBs in this class would evolve over this season. It's interesting to see the ups and downs. I hope the Bills get a good one and keep him for a long time.