Mr. Dennison

[cookie G]

By my count, I saw one misdirection play the whole game...and before the last drive, a single pass attempt over 15 yards. What it lacked in imagination, it made up for it in...nothing.

Do your career a favor, get Eric Wood's copy of last year's playbook and use it.

For THIS team..it worked. Most of the guys are still there...they'll remember it.

And they scored points with it.

Anthony Lynn adopted it last year and it worked for him..he got a HC job out of the deal.

Or, you can continue to put a square peg in a round hole and suffer the fate of Rex Ryan (and you're not getting a color analyst job).

Dump the ego, use what works.

[DraftBoy]

By my count, I saw one misdirection play the whole game...and before the last drive, a single pass attempt over 15 yards. What it lacked in imagination, it made up for it in...nothing.

Do your career a favor, get Eric Wood's copy of last year's playbook and use it.

For THIS team..it worked. Most of the guys are still there...they'll remember it.

And they scored points with it.

Anthony Lynn adopted it last year and it worked for him..he got a HC job out of the deal.

Or, you can continue to put a square peg in a round hole and suffer the fate of Rex Ryan (and you're not getting a color analyst job).

Dump the ego, use what works.

Outside of the final drive, especially the final play call, he was a dumpster fire.

[ParanoidAndroid]

It doesn't help when your QB runs on 50% of called pass plays.

[cookie G]

Outside of the final drive, especially the final play call, he was a dumpster fire.

It was like a pass oriented version of Nathaniel Hackett's offense..

0 imagination.

[DraftBoy]

It was like a pass oriented version of Nathaniel Hackett's offense..

0 imagination.

Don't care about the imagination, care about the play calls putting our players in a position to move the ball which it did. It was literally the only positive to come out of the offense today.

[kingJofNYC]

Took a while to get an OC, this dude was bottom of the barrel, we settled on him more than anything. D is looking sharp because we have good coaches, not the case on O, you can see it. Why is it so hard to scheme up some easy yards.

We're calling shovel tosses on 4th and 2 and asking Shady to make multiple guys miss. I hate using fullback as well, not a fan and I don't see that changing.

[cookie G]

It doesn't help when your QB runs on 50% of called pass plays.

Average no. of offensive TD's in the 9 years pre-TT (and more importantly...pre-Greg Roman offense)

30

Average no. of offensive TD's in the past 2 years...

44

*For Yardie TD's by defense and ST haven't been counted in the totals.

[cookie G]

Don't care about the imagination, care about the play calls putting our players in a position to move the ball which it did. It was literally the only positive to come out of the offense today.

To me at least, it was imagination that put players in a position to move the ball.

[YardRat]

Pretty sure if you re-watch the game you're going to see plenty of plays where multiple receivers were running routes longer than 15 yards.

[Novacane]

It doesn't help when your QB runs on 50% of called pass plays.


And checks down for 1 or 2 yards on 40%.

[Novacane]

Took a while to get an OC, this dude was bottom of the barrel, we settled on him more than anything. D is looking sharp because we have good coaches, not the case on O, you can see it. Why is it so hard to scheme up some easy yards.

We're calling shovel tosses on 4th and 2 and asking Shady to make multiple guys miss. I hate using fullback as well, not a fan and I don't see that changing.

Gee I wonder why? Who wants to risk their reputation with TT as their QB?

[cookie G]

Pretty sure if you re-watch the game you're going to see plenty of plays where multiple receivers were running routes longer than 15 yards.

Did you happen to see any separation?

[jimmifli]

Top 10 offense with a dumpster fire D. We fixed the D. And broke the O.

How many times do we have to keep doing this? We had a weird kitschy offense that was effective at scoring points, with spare parts, why change? Ego.

[Novacane]

Did you happen to see any separation?


I didn't but the ball never went down the field so we wouldn't have. The all 22 will be interesting to see this week.

[kingJofNYC]

Gee I wonder why? Who wants to risk their reputation with TT as their QB?
Seeing as how most teams that are hiring OCs are perennial losers, and perennial losers don't have franchise QBs, then they're risking their "reputation" no matter where they go.

At least Tyrod led two top 10 DVOA offenses.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Average no. of offensive TD's in the 9 years pre-TT (and more importantly...pre-Greg Roman offense)

30

Average no. of offensive TD's in the past 2 years...

44

*For Yardie TD's by defense and ST haven't been counted in the totals.
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (Benjamin Disraeli)

[Thurmal]

Can we run a ****ing play-action pass? Just once?

[YardRat]

Did you happen to see any separation?

Did you happen to see blanketed receivers on every play?

[Mr. Pink]

How is today the fault of Dennison?

The offense is run oriented, because the QB is flat out garbage, so since the running game didn't work, the offense was stagnant. Pretty simple.

Every team in the league should just put 8 in the box, their fastest LB as the spy and dare that QB to make NFL caliber throws - which it should be painfully obvious to everyone on this board and around the league by now that he simply cannot or won't do.

[cookie G]

"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain (Benjamin Disraeli)

When facts don't meet people's preconceived notions and they have nothing else to say...they use that quote

~Cookie G

[kingJofNYC]

How is today the fault of Dennison?

The offense is run oriented, because the QB is flat out garbage, so since the running game didn't work, the offense was stagnant. Pretty simple.

Every team in the league should just put 8 in the box, their fastest LB as the spy and dare that QB to make NFL caliber throws - which it should be painfully obvious to everyone on this board and around the league by now that he simply cannot or won't do.
Our offense was run oriented last year, when teams put 8 in the box we optioned the 8th defender away and still kept running the ball well. We don't do that this year, so this run scheme is essentially garbage, this is why it's Dennison's fault. He can't scheme up the run game like the previous coaches. Not much else to say.

[mynmisoli]

It's hard to call a good game when your QB sucks.

[jimmifli]

It's hard to call a good game when your QB sucks.

And yet Anthony Lynn could do it using Greg Roman's plays.

[Novacane]

Seeing as how most teams that are hiring OCs are perennial losers, and perennial losers don't have franchise QBs, then they're risking their "reputation" no matter where they go.

At least Tyrod led two top 10 DVOA offenses.



Really dude? Who gives a **** what he did in college? Should I make a list of run first QB's that had good college stats and flopped in the NFL? Several of them won the heisman. TT will NEVER win in the NFL. Never! Someday maybe you will get it!

[YardRat]

DVOA = 'Yeah, we suck, but let's play with the numbers a little bit to make us feel a little better'.

[ParanoidAndroid]

When facts don't meet people's preconceived notions and they have nothing else to say...they use that quote

~Cookie G

Anyone can use a statistic that supports their position while ignoring some obvious truths.

[cookie G]

Really dude? Who gives a **** what he did in college? Should I make a list of run first QB's that had good college stats and flopped in the NFL? Several of them won the heisman. TT will NEVER win in the NFL. Never! Someday maybe you will get it!

:)

um...he's talking about a football outsiders stat...

Defensive Value over average

Buffalo was ranked 9th in 2015 and 10th in 2016

DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: Five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent. DVOA is a percentage, so a team with a DVOA of 10.0% is 10 percent better than the average team, and a quarterback with a DVOA of -20.0% is 20 percent worse than the average quarterback. Because DVOA measures scoring, defenses are better when they are negative. For more detail, read below.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods

[cookie G]

Anyone can use a statistic that supports their position while ignoring some obvious truths.

Let me know when you can refute it.

here's another...this is the first time when Taylor started where the Bills O was shut out of the endzone.

29 games.

[kingJofNYC]

Really dude? Who gives a **** what he did in college? Should I make a list of run first QB's that had good college stats and flopped in the NFL? Several of them won the heisman. TT will NEVER win in the NFL. Never! Someday maybe you will get it!
What are you talking about? I never brought up college football, I brought up a Bills stat from the last two seasons, what are you on about?

Try to keep up, you're slower than Tyrod is when scanning the field.

[kishoph]

Seeing as how most teams that are hiring OCs are perennial losers, and perennial losers don't have franchise QBs, then they're risking their "reputation" no matter where they go.

At least Tyrod led two top 10 DVOA offenses.


DVOA = 'Yeah, we suck, but let's play with the numbers a little bit to make us feel a little better'.

Buffalo's rushing DVOA was ranked #1 last season, their passing DVOA was ranked 18th. As far as QB's rushing, Taylor's DVOA for rushing was 18th among QB's. So I would have to say that McCoy (#2 RB)/Gillislee (#1 RB) are who led the Bills to a top 10 DVOA, not Tyrod Taylor.

[streetkings01]

Top 10 offense with a dumpster fire D. We fixed the D. And broke the O.

How many times do we have to keep doing this? We had a weird kitschy offense that was effective at scoring points, with spare parts, why change? Ego.You do know the previous OC took a HC job........we had no choice but to change the offense.

[baalworship]

You do know the previous OC took a HC job........we had no choice but to change the offense.


Nope. Bills could have hired ALynn. They decided to change their best plays from last year.Sean's staff is WORSE than Rex's on offense.

[Buddo]

Tbh, I think I need to see the all 22 this week, before going apesh1t about this loss. I want to see if receivers were getting open or not. The Panthers do have a good D, so I don't want to assume anything just yet.

I will say that the play calling was highly unimpressive, and unimaginative, on Offense.

The O-line at times, was awful. In the run game, I think there's a legitimate case to be made for reverting to last years blocking schemes, as the guys we have, can make those work better. Get rid of Mills, and you might be able to run the zone schemes, and as he's a liability in pass protection anyway, then just the one change may be enough.

Maybe the worst aspect of the Offense, was the apparent lack of adjustments made to it for the 2nd half.

[swiper]

By my count, I saw one misdirection play the whole game...and before the last drive, a single pass attempt over 15 yards. What it lacked in imagination, it made up for it in...nothing.

Do your career a favor, get Eric Wood's copy of last year's playbook and use it.

For THIS team..it worked. Most of the guys are still there...they'll remember it.

And they scored points with it.

Anthony Lynn adopted it last year and it worked for him..he got a HC job out of the deal.

Or, you can continue to put a square peg in a round hole and suffer the fate of Rex Ryan (and you're not getting a color analyst job).

Dump the ego, use what works.

I've got a better idea. It's not a great idea. But it's better than this. Go get Chan Gailey. He who knew how to mix plays, use misdirection, draw plays and screens. He made CJ Spiller look good!

[swiper]

It doesn't help when your QB runs on 50% of called pass plays.

It didn't help the QB that the o-line gave him no room in the pocket. The o-line is terrible.

[baalworship]

That same oline finished top 10 in points last year. We have a coaching downgrade on offense.

[jimmifli]

You do know the previous OC took a HC job........we had no choice but to change the offense.

If I'm the new guy hired to take over a unit that scored a lot of points, I spend a lot of time looking at what worked and try to keep most of that stuff. We had to change who ran it, but there is no rule saying we had overhaul everything.

[justasportsfan]

Peterman showed in preseason that a lot of plays are missed when TT is on the field.

[Arm of Harm]

Our offense was run oriented last year, when teams put 8 in the box we optioned the 8th defender away and still kept running the ball well. We don't do that this year, so this run scheme is essentially garbage, this is why it's Dennison's fault. He can't scheme up the run game like the previous coaches. Not much else to say.

Dennison's offensive scheme is designed around a QB who's good at passing the ball. Whereas Roman's scheme appears to have been designed around a "running back who can throw" type QB.

I think that the coaching staff was clear from the beginning, that they would do their best to teach the QBs to fit Dennison's scheme.

So you could point to the shortcomings of Dennison's play calling, and that's perfectly fair. But it's also reasonable to point out that the Bills' starting quarterback is not at all a good fit for Dennison's offense. Tyrod is weak in those areas where Dennison's offense most prizes excellence. While I'm not sold on Peterman as the long-term answer, he clearly is a much better fit for Dennison's offense than Tyrod. I don't anticipate a change coming soon. It's difficult to bench a veteran QB, with a two year track record of reasonable accomplishment, in favor of a 5th round rookie. Even when the rookie is better.

[Mace]

If I'm the new guy hired to take over a unit that scored a lot of points, I spend a lot of time looking at what worked and try to keep most of that stuff. We had to change who ran it, but there is no rule saying we had overhaul everything.

Well....Sullivan pointed out today, they scored an avg of 19.6 or something on the road where Taylor struggled. They scored a lot of points against teams when they could run and the teams were susceptible to it. When teams made us pass, and there are too many games where you have to, we weren't any good. Next level teams put up points quick and if you want to be one you have to as well.

Lynn didn't particularly do any better making Taylor pass, and Taylor didn't do any better when he had to.

I don't know if Dennison will work out or not, but he's essentially installing an offense for a future QB to step into. Everyone else will know it. The running game commitment just isn't effective in a shootout, or against good teams who stack the box, you still have to come up with passing plays and yards.

But stick with what works ? Problem is, teams have a year of tape to know how to counter it, and if you're that one dimensional you have a short shelf life. Leading the league in rushing doesn't really take you far though it seems nice.

Win now ! We can't because we have a QB who doesn't seem capable of throwing effectively, though he throws fine for useless percentage.

This team just isn't/wasn't as close as some people want to believe. Would Roman's offense have run all over Carolina ? I really don't think so, they were prepared for a running game.

The offense has to change to get to the next level, and Taylor isn't looking up to the throwing part of it. Not impressed by Dennison's game plan, but not impressed either by who he has to run it.

Scheme to who you have ? I'd always say that's the mark of a great coach. But in this case, I think they mean to install a system because they know who they have isn't going to cut it and will be replaced by a QB ahead. Peterson ? I don't know. But someone who can pass better. That's not Taylor and this obviously isn't the year the eternally hopeful plan comes together. May as well get used to it.

[Novacane]

What are you talking about? I never brought up college football, I brought up a Bills stat from the last two seasons, what are you on about?

Try to keep up, you're slower than Tyrod is when scanning the field.

Hey I got you to say something bad about Tyrod :up:

[streetkings01]

Nope. Bills could have hired ALynn. They decided to change their best plays from last year.Sean's staff is WORSE than Rex's on offense.Lynn is 0-3 as a HC

[Mouldsie]

I just wish McDermott and Beane would stop telling us they are in win now mode if the goal isn't to actually score as many points as we are capable of.

[ICRockets]

I just wish McDermott and Beane would stop telling us they are in win now mode if the goal isn't to actually score as many points as we are capable of.

I'm reasonably certain we did.

[Frenchman]

Seems like that of in the Bills it is now or never with Taylor. As he is good but not elite like a Brady or a Brees!

[kishoph]

Dennison's offensive scheme is designed around a QB who's good at passing the ball. Whereas Roman's scheme appears to have been designed around a "running back who can throw" type QB.

I think that the coaching staff was clear from the beginning, that they would do their best to teach the QBs to fit Dennison's scheme.

So you could point to the shortcomings of Dennison's play calling, and that's perfectly fair. But it's also reasonable to point out that the Bills' starting quarterback is not at all a good fit for Dennison's offense. Tyrod is weak in those areas where Dennison's offense most prizes excellence. While I'm not sold on Peterman as the long-term answer, he clearly is a much better fit for Dennison's offense than Tyrod. I don't anticipate a change coming soon. It's difficult to bench a veteran QB, with a two year track record of reasonable accomplishment, in favor of a 5th round rookie. Even when the rookie is better.

Roman did try to install a scheme with the offense relying more on the passing game. All 2015-2016 offseason we heard about how the Bills would be throwing more and opening up the offense. They scrapped the plan after 1 week because it was too complicated. After week 2 they fired Roman and brought in Lynn to dummy down the offense and abandon the WC passing game. You're exactly right saying Taylor doesn't fit the WCO, what the WCO relies on Taylor struggles at and has struggled at his whole career. McDermott and Dennison need to stop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. If they are not going to abandon the offensive scheme, they need to put in the QB that can run it. It's time for them to put their big boy pants on and do what's best for the team, not what's best for Tyrod Taylor. The locker room accepted Watkins being shipped out, they can handle Taylor being put on the bench.

[baalworship]

Roman did try to install a scheme with the offense relying more on the passing game. All 2015-2016 offseason we heard about how the Bills would be throwing more and opening up the offense. They scrapped the plan after 1 week because it was too complicated. After week 2 they fired Roman and brought in Lynn to dummy down the offense and abandon the WC passing game. You're exactly right saying Taylor doesn't fit the WCO, what the WCO relies on Taylor struggles at and has struggled at his whole career. McDermott and Dennison need to stop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. If they are not going to abandon the offensive scheme, they need to put in the QB that can run it. It's time for them to put their big boy pants on and do what's best for the team, not what's best for Tyrod Taylor. The locker room accepted Watkins being shipped out, they can handle Taylor being put on the bench.

Good points. Dennison and McDermott are the ones who brought back Tyrod Taylor! There is no excuse for them to not understand what he can and cannot do.

[justasportsfan]

If OCs planned schemes based on TTs strengths , we'd be running the wildcat

[Bill Cody]

They don't like Taylor and they are setting him up to fail, not that he needs a bunch of help. This offense to Taylor is the equivalent of the guy who hands his wife a 1 iron and drops a ball on a downhill lie when she nags him to give her golf lessons. "here you go honey just keep your eye on the ball and swing away"

They could have started Peterman from the jump but this way the locker room won't be divided at 1-4 and Peterman gets 6 more weeks of low stress practice to be more prepared when he does go in. It's the only thing that makes sense. If you really wanted to play to Tierod's strengths you could bring Frank Beamer out of retirement to run the option. That might have at least been entertaining. Three more weeks of misery to go.

[cookie G]

If I'm the new guy hired to take over a unit that scored a lot of points, I spend a lot of time looking at what worked and try to keep most of that stuff. We had to change who ran it, but there is no rule saying we had overhaul everything.

It should happen, but it won't.

It might be summed up best by Broncos' RB CJ Anderson....

"In the other scheme, it was, 'we're gonna run what we run,'" Anderson said of Kubiak's system. "This one is, 'we're gonna put our athletes in the best position to make plays.'"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000847373/article/mike-mccoys-broncos-offensive-makeover-on-display-in-win

The Bronco players are gushing about McCoy, btw. (We tried to get him, but he was only going to Denver)

I just have this feeling that Dennison is going to be set in his ways...or stubborn, and refuse to change.

Kinda like nathaniel Hackett. Of course, people defended him too. "What's he supposed to do?" that sort of nonsense.

[baalworship]

It should happen, but it won't.

It might be summed up best by Broncos' RB CJ Anderson....

"In the other scheme, it was, 'we're gonna run what we run,'" Anderson said of Kubiak's system. "This one is, 'we're gonna put our athletes in the best position to make plays.'"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000847373/article/mike-mccoys-broncos-offensive-makeover-on-display-in-win

The Bronco players are gushing about McCoy, btw. (We tried to get him, but he was only going to Denver)

I just have this feeling that Dennison is going to be set in his ways...or stubborn, and refuse to change.

Kinda like nathaniel Hackett. Of course, people defended him too. "What's he supposed to do?" that sort of nonsense.


The Bills have had very few coaches who came in and coached the players they had. Mike Pettine was the last one I can think of. And it is scary to think Marrone could land Pettine and Schwartz but Mcdermott could not get any of his top guys in here at the crucial opposite side of the ball. I think Gailey failed for exactly that reason, the poor DC's did him in.

[YardRat]

I don't recall too many people defending Hackett.

[baalworship]

I don't recall too many people defending Hackett.

Nope. It was obvious from day one he was a dud. Run Run Pass Punt.

[Mouldsie]

It should happen, but it won't.

It might be summed up best by Broncos' RB CJ Anderson....

"In the other scheme, it was, 'we're gonna run what we run,'" Anderson said of Kubiak's system. "This one is, 'we're gonna put our athletes in the best position to make plays.'"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000847373/article/mike-mccoys-broncos-offensive-makeover-on-display-in-win

The Bronco players are gushing about McCoy, btw. (We tried to get him, but he was only going to Denver)

I just have this feeling that Dennison is going to be set in his ways...or stubborn, and refuse to change.

Kinda like nathaniel Hackett. Of course, people defended him too. "What's he supposed to do?" that sort of nonsense.

What's shocking to me is that so few people saw this coming beforehand, and barely anyone else has noticed it happening right in front of us through 2 games and TC.

I've been praying since the day he signed on that Dennison was a one year and done hire (because I actually want us to win a SB someday)... and immediately and continually have felt kind of bad for Tyrod as he's clearly been set up to be a "one and done" (in the McDermott era) as he was set up to fail after agreeing to take a paycut.

As for the ego driven coaches we've had: I hope we can get it right soon. If only we could have had Chan Gailey on offense AND Pettine or Schwartz or Frazer on defense actually designing schemes around the players they have and their strengths (and finding and exploiting match-ups vs opponents). What a wild thought!

[cookie G]

This isn't that difficult.

And I applaud Mr. Dennison as I did in the game day thread.

When he started putting in play action, roll outs and bootlegs, the offense opened up immediately. TT got more time..there was usually at least one WR with separation.

Don't run a boring offense, work on out scheming the D, look for weak spots and good things CAN happen.


For THIS team...it thrives on misdirection.

This was probably the best D in the NFL, one that completely shut down Dallas last week.

Now, Mr. Dennison...for Shady..get back to last year's playbook and start finding things in it. They work. Try a few read options and counter plays. I think he gained 17 yards today, but earned every yard.

PS..The Oline..the last 16 play drive was a thing of beauty for them. They were playing on pride...(with a little help from Von Miller.). I could almost hear Incognito or Wood in the huddle.."we're supposed to be the best run blocking line in the NFL...let's start playing like it."

[jimmifli]

He keeps pulling incognito to the right. Last year we had a bunch of plays where the TE lined up (sometimes motioned) beside Glenn and incognito pulled to the left like a lead blocker. Shady played them like screens waiting for the blocks to set up and then put his foot in and turned up field. I want to see more of those plays.

But no complaints about his calling today. The roll outs and play action were awesome. It seemed to really improve the pass blocking.

[YardRat]

The TD to Clay in the third to take the lead was great design. And call.

[Mace]

This isn't that difficult.

And I applaud Mr. Dennison as I did in the game day thread.

When he started putting in play action, roll outs and bootlegs, the offense opened up immediately. TT got more time..there was usually at least one WR with separation.

Don't run a boring offense, work on out scheming the D, look for weak spots and good things CAN happen.


For THIS team...it thrives on misdirection.

This was probably the best D in the NFL, one that completely shut down Dallas last week.

Now, Mr. Dennison...for Shady..get back to last year's playbook and start finding things in it. They work. Try a few read options and counter plays. I think he gained 17 yards today, but earned every yard.

PS..The Oline..the last 16 play drive was a thing of beauty for them. They were playing on pride...(with a little help from Von Miller.). I could almost hear Incognito or Wood in the huddle.."we're supposed to be the best run blocking line in the NFL...let's start playing like it."


Well...


While Walsh’s core philosophy was “pass to set up the run” the Shanahan-Kubiak-Dennison offense first emphasizes the (zone) running game. It features a relatively high frequency of play-action, bootlegs, and the quarterback under center.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/20/14331974/rick-dennison-buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator-tyrod-taylor-all-22

Might just show development and levels of comfort in progress. I said might because I'm not sold yet. But it sort of follows a logical progression they really seem to be following. I don't know how it works as the season continues, but it makes sense that they'd grow into a full playbook in steps without the usual "system dump and make it work" style.

This program seems pretty methodical.

[DraftBoy]

It will be interesting to see what they come out with next week. The Falcons are probably the most complete defense in the NFL. Dennison will have his work cut out for him.

[Mace]

It will be interesting to see what they come out with next week. The Falcons are probably the most complete defense in the NFL. Dennison will have his work cut out for him.

It really will. I'm not expecting them to win, but if they keep it close and solid on the road with some creativity, I think we're on a good path. If we win there, I'll have to rethink what I think. If we lose sloppy, I'll figure "growing pains" and "pieces yet to come". I'm not at all aggravated at this point.

[Mouldsie]

Well...



https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/1/20/14331974/rick-dennison-buffalo-bills-offensive-coordinator-tyrod-taylor-all-22

Might just show development and levels of comfort in progress. I said might because I'm not sold yet. But it sort of follows a logical progression they really seem to be following. I don't know how it works as the season continues, but it makes sense that they'd grow into a full playbook in steps without the usual "system dump and make it work" style.

This program seems pretty methodical.

I'd trust it a lot more if it wasn't Dennison implementing it because I don't really love his track record, but it is still early so perhaps you're right and he really can run an effective potentially top of the league type of offense.

[ICRockets]

I'd trust it a lot more if it wasn't Dennison implementing it because I don't really love his track record, but it is still early so perhaps you're right and he really can run an effective potentially top of the league type of offense.
I mean, the guy you're talking to almost had a nervous breakdown when we hired Frazier for this exact reason, so I think there's got to be some degree of hope that Dennison can evolve beyond his track record as well.

[Mouldsie]

Frazier has a solid track record, and McDermott is obviously there as a QC check. I was cool with the DC hire but OC made me nervous.... McDermott might not even be fully sold, Dennison was like his 3rd choice wasn't he? I know we wanted Mike McCoy then Brad Childress and also talked to a guy who took a job in LA

[jimmifli]

Well our 1st and 2nd pick for OC just put up 16 points against us. Not sure what that means, but it's something.

[Mouldsie]

Well our 1st and 2nd pick for OC just put up 16 points against us. Not sure what that means, but it's something.

True... he also put up 27 points per game in weeks 1 and 2... might say a lot about our defense/home field!