Tyrod Taylor: season 3

[Arm of Harm]

Below are Tyrod's passing yardage totals for each of the games thus far this season.

Week 1 (Jets): 224
Week 2 (Panthers): 125
Week 3 (Broncos): 213
Week 4 (Falcons): 182
Week 5 (Bengals): 166

Overall, Taylor has 5 starts and 910 passing yards, for an average of 182 yards per start. I compare that to Trent Edwards. In his main year as a starter, Edwards had 2699 passing yards in 14 starts, for an average of 193 yards per start. We're actually seeing a bit less production from the passing game now than we did when Edwards was in his heyday. On the other hand, Tyrod clearly has much faster feet than Edwards. So there's that.

As a passer, Tyrod has not been outproducing Trent Edwards. Tyrod's supporting cast is in may ways lacking, but the exact same could be said, even more strongly, about the supporting cast Edwards had. So is the lack of production because Tyrod is in a funk? Is it because he's faced a lot of good defenses this season? Or do we simply need to resign ourselves to getting about the same passing production from Tyrod that we'd expect from Trent Edwards?

[Skooby]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

Here’s a theory, Tyrod is a back-up starting in the NFL & isn’t going to play consistent enough to win us a lot of games unless he runs a lot. Pocket passer scheme with a happy feet QB, what can go wrong ??

[swiper]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

Meanwhile the aging Tom Brady has had 3 consecutive 300+ yard passing games. Two of which his non-throwing shoulder was listed as sprained. The beat goes on.

I think McDermott will play Taylor long enough to show him the respect a pro is due, but I don't expect him to let him go forever with those numbers. The question is what is the point that the coach "can't take it any more." The fans have clearly reached that point.

[YardRat]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

Why is Trent Edwards the benchmark?

[YardRat]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

121 yards rushing...0 tds. 2016 = 168 and 1 after 5 games.

He's not a QB...he's a RB that can throw a little bit. If you are going to play him, he needs to run...not pass.

[baalworship]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

Bills offense is 2nd worst in the NFL at 4.35 Yards Per Play. Passing Offense is 165 yards per game, Bottom 5.

But Tyrod is the QB McDermott and Dennison wanted. It's on them to make it work. So far it has been a disaster.

[Mahdi]

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Tyrod's problem is that he isn't being true to his talent.

He's a menace to opposing defenses when he runs and he for some reason is trying to prove that he is a pure pocket passer when he isn't, it's not a coincidence that his best games last year as a passer had him rushing for 40, 50 and 60 yards.

[Homegrown]

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McDermott will play Taylor long enough to show him the respect a pro is due..

Huh? ....what the heck does that mean? ... The guy's had one 300 yard passing game in 34 starts with the Bills - how long does this "respect" go on for?

You make sound like McD is dating a virgin nubile, and planning to get ****ed by patiently respecting her.

[swiper]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

Huh? ....what the heck does that mean? ... The guy's had one 300 yard passing game in 34 starts with the Bills - how long does this "respect" go on for?

You make sound like McD is dating a virgin nubile, and planning to get ****ed by patiently respecting her.

If you don't understand, then I can't help you.

[Kenny]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

Tyrod's problem is that he isn't being true to his talent.
He's a menace to opposing defenses when he runs and he for some reason is trying to prove that he is a pure pocket passer when he isn't, it's not a coincidence that his best games last year as a passer had him rushing for 40, 50 and 60 yards.

This!
I get the ATL game, where they basically put a spy on him the entire game. But there was no spy in the CIN game. Not sure if it's TT trying to prove a point, or if it's Dennison trying to keep in the pocket, but something is really off this year.

[Mace]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

But Tyrod is the QB McDermott and Dennison wanted.

For any kind of necessary perspective, it should be :

"Tyrod is the usable QB McDermott and Dennison wanted as a competitive bridge to a future QB."

Is it working ? Well, they're 3-2 as a team with obvious holes.

Considering the receiver situation, and the OL situation, a QB who plants in the pocket is going to get nailed even more than Taylor's 18 sacks. A more proficient passer is going to be more handicapped by the receivers. A less disciplined QB is going to turn the ball over much more. That can easily flip that 3-2 to 1-4, with a demoralized defense performing less capably.

A truly elite QB can even be handicapped by bad receivers and a poor o-line, we've seen it with Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, etc through the years. But I want an elite QB NOW ! There isn't one. We didn't get one previously ! Now is now, the 2018 draft is in 2018.

It's pretty apparent that Taylor isn't in their long term plans unless he lights it up, which he can't, so he won't be. The coaching staff is working on trying to use him best, they did this successfully against Atlanta and Denver, a pair of high end defenses. It's probably going to go like this for the better part of the year, success and failure, work the basic offense for player familiarity, tweak as you go for Taylor.

This team isn't a contender right now. Sure the offense is aggravating. But no one needs to aggravate themselves more by thinking this is the long term vision of it.

Or I don't know, maybe people do need to aggravate themselves more.

[Mouldsie]

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I think it's mostly coaching. Tyrod's rushing average is half what it was the first 2 seasons.

His yards per completion stats are also wildly different when you look at them with or without Sammy in the lineup during his time here... that's not unusual either even the great Tom Brady has a very different looking stat line with and without Gronk. Those who argue that Sammy sucks are only making the case stronger that weapons matter because even a "bad" player like him being on the field had a large positive effect on the passing offense. Zay Jones is nowhere close to Watkins in talent.

Tyrod being an average QB isn't helped when he has a below average OL, far far below average WR's, and (now without Clay) far below average TE's.... PLUS a coach not using his players or his QB at what they do best (power blocking schemes, deep ball passing, read-option, misdirection). Tyrod, and thus the offense, would look entirely different and more effective if we had an offensive coach mind like Andy Reid on staff. One good thing about TT is he can actually mask the fact that you have ****ty pass catchers and pass blocking if you use his legs more in the gameplan. A pocket passer might look even worse back there under constant duress with players who struggle to get open or catch contested balls.

[baalworship]

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For any kind of necessary perspective, it should be :

"Tyrod is the usable QB McDermott and Dennison wanted as a competitive bridge to a future QB."

Is it working ? Well, they're 3-2 as a team with obvious holes.

Considering the receiver situation, and the OL situation, a QB who plants in the pocket is going to get nailed even more than Taylor's 18 sacks. A more proficient passer is going to be more handicapped by the receivers. A less disciplined QB is going to turn the ball over much more. That can easily flip that 3-2 to 1-4, with a demoralized defense performing less capably.

A truly elite QB can even be handicapped by bad receivers and a poor o-line, we've seen it with Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, etc through the years. But I want an elite QB NOW ! There isn't one. We didn't get one previously ! Now is now, the 2018 draft is in 2018.

It's pretty apparent that Taylor isn't in their long term plans unless he lights it up, which he can't, so he won't be. The coaching staff is working on trying to use him best, they did this successfully against Atlanta and Denver, a pair of high end defenses. It's probably going to go like this for the better part of the year, success and failure, work the basic offense for player familiarity, tweak as you go for Taylor.

This team isn't a contender right now. Sure the offense is aggravating. But no one needs to aggravate themselves more by thinking this is the long term vision of it.

Or I don't know, maybe people do need to aggravate themselves more.

McDermott passed on Deshawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes. You don't get elite QB's by passing on very good QB prospects and trotting out other team's backups. As for their long term plan, who knows. I don't think it's obvious they are drafting a QB high in 2018. If McDermott's team falters down the stretch he will be tempted to keep playing a veteran QB. Most coaches have no desire to draft and develop a QB. The problem is that McDermott has say in personnel. Beane was hired to serve him.

[BillyT92679]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

I think it's mostly coaching. Tyrod's rushing average is half what it was the first 2 seasons.

His yards per completion stats are also wildly different when you look at them with or without Sammy in the lineup during his time here... that's not unusual either even the great Tom Brady has a very different looking stat line with and without Gronk. Those who argue that Sammy sucks are only making the case stronger that weapons matter because even a "bad" player like him being on the field had a large positive effect on the passing offense. Zay Jones is nowhere close to Watkins in talent.

Tyrod being an average QB isn't helped when he has a below average OL, far far below average WR's, and (now without Clay) far below average TE's.... PLUS a coach not using his players or his QB at what they do best (power blocking schemes, deep ball passing, read-option, misdirection). Tyrod, and thus the offense, would look entirely different and more effective if we had an offensive coach mind like Andy Reid on staff. One good thing about TT is he can actually mask the fact that you have ****ty pass catchers and pass blocking if you use his legs more in the gameplan. A pocket passer might look even worse back there under constant duress with players who struggle to get open or catch contested balls.

I don't agree. In a real sense I feel that Tyrod got PROTECTED by McBeane by taking away his weapons. I worry that anyone can make the excuse "well look at what he had!" as an argument to keep Tyrod beyond this year, though his numbers aren't really empirically different than when he had better talent around him.

He's 2-16 when down by 4 or more at any point during the game... that stretches back to having Sammy and Goodwin and a healthy Clay and healthy Harvin and Woods. So he's the same regardless of the supporting cast.

[BillyT92679]

Re: Tyrod Taylor: season 3

The Trent Edwards comparison is spot on. Safe, boring, uninteresting football. 7-9 all over again.