Turn Tyrod loose

[Wally The Barber]

If he sees a lane to run while passing then take it..

Encourage the run, ask him why he didn't run?

Write RUN FIRST on his wrist band...let him call his own plays, been in the league for 6 years now


I want to see the real Tyrod Taylor not some phony starter QB with restrictions.
The worst that will happen is he will be injured.....maybe this will make you think twice before you draft another running QB.

One day he will be gone as another team is smart enough to realize his strengths, not build on his weaknesses

YOU LOOK LIKE **** TODAY, GET A HAIRCUT

WALLY

[YardRat]

Yeah I agree...one read, dump it off or run like hell.

[Wally The Barber]

Yeah I agree...one read, dump it off or run like hell.

can't hurt, this clearly is not working

[sukie]

Stacked box and no WR or TE threat means it won’t work.

[swiper]

Wally, you have seen the real Tyrod Taylor.

[BillsImpossible]

Pump up the volume, Wally.

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[OpIv37]

Be careful what you wish for. If Tyrod gets hurt running, it's Peterman time. And if it's Peterman time, then our backup is, um, well, uhhh, "someone google 'NFL waiver wires NOW!'"

[Joe Fo Sho]

Yes, because it's extremely difficult to defend against a run first QB. That's why every team in the NFL is trying so hard to find one.

We should be hoping Tyrod learns how to properly play the position and maybe take a few more chances instead of checking the ball down 85% of the time. If we're not going to get to the playoffs with Tyrod, make a change. The general consensus seems to be 'we're not going anywhere with Tyrod, but we'd be stupid to bench him.' That logic doesn't make sense to me.

[OpIv37]

Yes, because it's extremely difficult to defend against a run first QB. That's why every team in the NFL is trying so hard to find one.

We should be hoping Tyrod learns how to properly play the position and maybe take a few more chances instead of checking the ball down 85% of the time. If we're not going to get to the playoffs with Tyrod, make a change. The general consensus seems to be 'we're not going anywhere with Tyrod, but we'd be stupid to bench him.' That logic doesn't make sense to me.

Well the logic isn't quite "we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod but we'd be stupid to bench him."
It's "we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod but we don't have a better option."

The only other QB on the roster is a 5th round rookie who has never played in a regular season NFL game. Our OL has been shaky, there is no support from the run game, our best TE is injured, our WR's are banged up and a pretty weak unit even when healthy. The D has exceeded expectations so there is national attention and pressure to win.

I can't imagine a much worse scenario for giving a rookie his first start.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Well the logic isn't quite "we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod but we'd be stupid to bench him."
It's "we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod but we don't have a better option."

The only other QB on the roster is a 5th round rookie who has never played in a regular season NFL game. Our OL has been shaky, there is no support from the run game, our best TE is injured, our WR's are banged up and a pretty weak unit even when healthy. The D has exceeded expectations so there is national attention and pressure to win.

I can't imagine a much worse scenario for giving a rookie his first start.

If you're going to wait for an ideal situation for a rookie QB to start, he'll never play.


It's "we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod but we don't have a better option."

Well, we think we don't have a better option. It'd be nice to find out.

If we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod, then who cares what we do at QB? Why not try out an unknown entity and actually see how terrible everybody claims he is? Why do some people want to go nowhere with Tyrod instead of going nowhere with someone else?

[DraftBoy]

Well, we think we don't have a better option. It'd be nice to find out.

If we're not getting anywhere with Tyrod, then who cares what we do at QB? Why not try out an unknown entity and actually see how terrible everybody claims he is? Why do some people want to go nowhere with Tyrod instead of going nowhere with someone else?

You're a first place team right now with Tyrod at QB. That's far from not getting anywhere.

[SpikedLemonade]

I agree -- let's cut him.

[cookie G]

Stacked box and no WR or TE threat means it won’t work.

As a run dominant offense, teams have been stacking the box for 2 years. People cried that Clay was underutilized last year, so if true, the TE wasn't much of a factor. Add to the fact that Watkins, the deep threat, missed half the season...and it is similar to last year.

12th in scoring and 10th in scoring in those 2 years. no. 1 in rushing both years.

Use the bye week to re-implement last year's run game strategy...before its too late.

[Joe Fo Sho]

You're a first place team right now with Tyrod at QB. That's far from not getting anywhere.

Let's wait until we're in 2nd place then, which will be after this weekend unless the Jets tie the Patriots.

[sukie]

This particular receiving core is far from what was there last season. If it was close to equal we would be running the ball better. There is no deep or even intermediate threat in the air. I would stack the box at let Zay Jones and Tate beat me all day. At least Woods was a threat. No QB is making this group better. Putting Peterman in is setting up failure.

I would wait til at the very least, Matthews comes back.

[Bill Cody]

Maybe he just needs more mentoring. TJ Yates is available

[cookie G]

This particular receiving core is far from what was there last season. If it was close to equal we would be running the ball better. There is no deep or even intermediate threat in the air. I would stack the box at let Zay Jones and Tate beat me all day. At least Woods was a threat. No QB is making this group better. Putting Peterman in is setting up failure.

I would wait til at the very least, Matthews comes back.

I most definitely don't agree with the bold part.

It isn't the same run offense, it isn't run in the same way. New receivers aren't going to change that.

People watched what Shady did last year and made the assumption "all we have to do is give him the ball" and we'll get similar results, no matter what the plays are.

Those assumptions were wrong, just as they were in 2013-14 with Spiller. Remember when Hackett came in and said, "we'll run Spiller till he pukes" ?

He put in a heavy dose of read option, with a QB who didn't like running the ball so it was essentially an inside dive play.

People then started saying "wow, he sucks" "the Oline can't block inside" etc.

The biggest problem was that the run game lost any semblance of imagination, of setting up blocks, of forcing a D to move one way and countering in the opposite way.

the read option of 2013-14 has been replaced by "stretch play left".

It isn't hard to figure out why the run game has deteriorated.

[SpikedLemonade]

We are wasting our time leaving TT in there.

[Wally The Barber]

We are wasting our time leaving TT in there.

This^

[justasportsfan]

Are we married to Ric Dennisons system or are we going to tweak a system based on TT's strengths and weaknesses?

If we stay with Rico, then let Tyrod run it and if he can't we know we're getting rid of him.

Letting TT "loose" is like having Flutie all over again. While Flutie was good at improvising, he was horrible in trying to play organized football.

[Kenny]

Very happy that we saw TT run the ball more yesterday. Not sure why we didnt do more of that (especially in the CIN) game. Hopefully we'll see more of that in the OAK game, but with Mack, Irvin, and potentially Bowman playing well, it may be a tough day for us.

[Historian]

It looked to me that the last few weeks they put a spy on him. (usually a LB)

Yesterday the Bucs didn't, and it cost them.

[Forward_Lateral]

It looked to me that the last few weeks they put a spy on him. (usually a LB)

Yesterday the Bucs didn't, and it cost them.

Teams that play primarily man coverage like the Bucs are susceptible to running QBs.

I also wish Tyrod would quit trying to be something he isn't. The play where he over threw Taiwan in the endzone, he could've walked for a first down, possibly even a TD. I get wanting to throw the ball, but there's situations where you just have to say forget this and take 10-15 free yards.

[Cali512]

That would've actually been a perfect pass for a td if Taiwan didn't stop running his route. He was open and when tyrod threw the ball he stuttered his route and the pass missed because of it


The thing I liked was the staff looked up tape from the last few years and made adjustments accordingly. We ran the same run blocking scheme we did last year on some plays, we saw the read option again, and more deep shots

[Forward_Lateral]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. If you watch the tape, he was guaranteed a first down by running. I'd take that over a low percentage throw like that one.

[Cali512]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. If you watch the tape, he was guaranteed a first down by running. I'd take that over a low percentage throw like that one.


It's not low percentage. If a QB sees a player breaking open in the end zone, I don't fault him for throwing

[Joe Fo Sho]

It's not low percentage. If a QB sees a player breaking open in the end zone, I don't fault him for throwing

It's a low percentage throw when Tyrod is throwing the ball to a backup running back. Him running for the 1st down would definitely be the better decision if it was a sure thing. Live to see another down.

[Mahdi]

That would've actually been a perfect pass for a td if Taiwan didn't stop running his route. He was open and when tyrod threw the ball he stuttered his route and the pass missed because of it


The thing I liked was the staff looked up tape from the last few years and made adjustments accordingly. We ran the same run blocking scheme we did last year on some plays, we saw the read option again, and more deep shots

What annoyed me is that he moved all the way to the top of the pocket and definitely saw all that space in front of him to easily run for a first down yet he wanted to make the traditional QB play and hit Taiwan in the endzone.

I understand wanting to throw it but IMO it's a bit selfish. He probably gets 15 yards on that play and well into easy FG range. Our type of team needs those three points at least and running for the first down would have gotten that at the very least plus would have been deep in the redzone.

[Kenny]

It looked to me that the last few weeks they put a spy on him. (usually a LB)

Yesterday the Bucs didn't, and it cost them.

There was a spy in the ATL game, but that CIN game there was none. They pressed the edges pretty hard to keep TT from rolling out, but there were definitely gaps for him to run and take off. While I'm happy with where we're at, I put that loss @ CIN squarely on TT.

[Oaf]

I also wish Tyrod would quit trying to be something he isn't. The play where he over threw Taiwan in the endzone, he could've walked for a first down, possibly even a TD. I get wanting to throw the ball, but there's situations where you just have to say forget this and take 10-15 free yards.

Guy is damned when he does, damned when he doesn't.




I understand wanting to throw it but IMO it's a bit selfish.


Yeah, Tyrod is definitely a "me" player and likely had himself in fantasy there.

[Mahdi]

Guy is damned when he does, damned when he doesn't.





Yeah, Tyrod is definitely a "me" player and likely had himself in fantasy there.

By selfish I mean that he wanted to make the "I'm a pocket passer" QB play rather than running for it and further cementing his stereotype as an "athletic" QB.

[ticatfan]

Is tyrod doing what he is told or calling his own plays?

[Joe Fo Sho]

Is tyrod doing what he is told or calling his own plays?

I'm not sure that he's doing either of those things.