Dareus is being shopped & if not traded, will be cut this summer

[Skooby]

Sean Mc is cutting dead weight:

http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/report-buffalo-bills-quite-open-to-trading-dareus-before-deadline

[Bill Cody]

Nobody will take that contract. Thanks Doug!

[justasportsfan]

Watch him play like a probowler for the rest of the season.

[Skooby]

Watch him play like a probowler for the rest of the season.
Then he will bring more value, he’s a waste product and is being called out right now. No heart = no value to us.

[Ed]

Nobody will take that contract. Thanks Doug!
They might when you consider that all his prorated bonus money has to stay on the Bills books. If a team trades for Dareus, I believe his cap hit for next year would only be about $10 mil with about 7.5 of it guaranteed. After the 2018 season the new team would still have him under contract for another 3 seasons at lower cap hits then what the Bills would currently have to spend. And the new team would be able to cut him after 2018 without any real cap ramifications. It's still a pretty big contract that the new team would be taking on, but it would also be easy for them to get out of it.

The question is what would a team be willing to give up for Dareus? Probably not much considering your talking about a player with questionable attitude, work ethic, drug suspensions, etc. So if you're trading him away for not much in return and on top of that you still have to absorb a ton of dead cap space over the next couple years, that's still a crappy deal for the Bills.

It's a really frustrating situation because there aren't any good scenarios except for Dareus changing his attitude, buying in, and really stepping up his play, but that feels pretty unlikely at this point.

[Skooby]

They might when you consider that all his prorated bonus money has to stay on the Bills books. If a team trades for Dareus, I believe his cap hit for next year would only be about $10 mil with about 7.5 of it guaranteed. After the 2018 season the new team would still have him under contract for another 3 seasons at lower cap hits then what the Bills would currently have to spend. And the new team would be able to cut him after 2018 without any real cap ramifications. It's still a pretty big contract that the new team would be taking on, but it would also be easy for them to get out of it.

The question is what would a team be willing to give up for Dareus? Probably not much considering your talking about a player with questionable attitude, work ethic, drug suspensions, etc. So if you're trading him away for not much in return and on top of that you still have to absorb a ton of dead cap space over the next couple years, that's still a crappy deal for the Bills.

It's a really frustrating situation because there aren't any good scenarios except for Dareus changing his attitude, buying in, and really stepping up his play, but that feels pretty unlikely at this point.
He’s fried chicken done in Buffalo, that’s obvious I’m every aspect.

[SpikedLemonade]

Just cut his fat Alabama ass after this season and take the cap hit.

The cap will rise next year and we will have enough players on rookie contracts to balance it out.

Crap, next year we are loaded with early round draft picks.

Dareus, Glenn, Wood and K. Williams should NOT be on this team next year.

Let's move on.

[Historian]

Trade him to Nathan's as a competitive eater.

[SpikedLemonade]

Trade him to Nathan's as a competitive eater.

That idiot would shove the hot dogs up his ass rather than in his mouth.

[Ed]

Just cut his fat Alabama ass after this season and take the cap hit.

The cap will rise next year and we will have enough players on rookie contracts to balance it out.

Crap, next year we are loaded with early round draft picks.

Dareus, Glenn, Wood and K. Williams should NOT be on this team next year.

Let's move on.
The new regime just gave Wood an extension. He's not going anywhere.

[SpikedLemonade]

The new regime just gave Wood an extension. He's not going anywhere.
Eric can't anchor for crap anymore.

[Pinkerton Security]

Its pretty obvious McDermott likes guys who buy in and provide that extra effort, and for all his talent, Dareus isn't one of them. I wish he would figure it out bc hes very talented but his cap hit is just too high for a guy who doesn't play that much or that effectively.

[Wally The Barber]

Did it ever enter anyones mind that Dareus wants out of Buffalo ?

he says he likes the rotation but I a serious doubts

[Forward_Lateral]

Of all the guys they let go because they didn't want to over pay, this is the assclown they chose to pay. Typical.

[swiper]

Sean Mc is cutting dead weight:

http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/report-buffalo-bills-quite-open-to-trading-dareus-before-deadline

Mario Williams taught him well.

Take the money and run, errr..., eat chicken wings.

[swiper]

Of all the guys they let go because they didn't want to over pay, this is the assclown they chose to pay. Typical.

His situation was not easy to just dump without losing too much money over it. As the article says they are panning to spread his cap hit over 2018 and 2019 to lessen the blow.

[John Doe]

Then there's this:

"Coaches Prove They Believe that Marcel Dareus has Taken a Positive Step"

Throughout the game, it appeared the Dareus and veteran Kyle Williams were paired together on most occasions, substituting in and out of the game as a pair. The numbers reflected that are Williams played 62 percent of snaps compared to Dareus’ prior mentioned 57.

Jumping in for Williams and Dareus were Jerel Worthy and Adolphus Washington, who played 40 percent and 38 percent of defensive snaps, respectively.

Like McDermott the week before, Frazier complimented Dareus’ play once again like the head coach.

“(Dareus) really played the way we need him to play. Just a great effort, as I mentioned, just solid when it comes to pass rush, did a great job in the run game using his hands, separating off of blocks,” Frazier said.

http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/bills-coaches-prove-they-believe-marcell-dareus-has-taken-a-positive-step-20171024
(http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/bills-coaches-prove-they-believe-marcell-dareus-has-taken-a-positive-step-20171024)

[bleve]

Then there's this:

"Coaches Prove They Believe that Marcel Dareus has Taken a Positive Step"

Throughout the game, it appeared the Dareus and veteran Kyle Williams were paired together on most occasions, substituting in and out of the game as a pair. The numbers reflected that are Williams played 62 percent of snaps compared to Dareus’ prior mentioned 57.

Jumping in for Williams and Dareus were Jerel Worthy and Adolphus Washington, who played 40 percent and 38 percent of defensive snaps, respectively.

Like McDermott the week before, Frazier complimented Dareus’ play once again like the head coach.

“(Dareus) really played the way we need him to play. Just a great effort, as I mentioned, just solid when it comes to pass rush, did a great job in the run game using his hands, separating off of blocks,” Frazier said.

http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/bills-coaches-prove-they-believe-marcell-dareus-has-taken-a-positive-step-20171024
(http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/bills-coaches-prove-they-believe-marcell-dareus-has-taken-a-positive-step-20171024)

With observations that Kyle was in the backfield a lot this past game, and comments that Darius was double teamed, maybe he's come around. Who figured?

[Mace]

With observations that Kyle was in the backfield a lot this past game, and comments that Darius was double teamed, maybe he's come around. Who figured?

Not too sure how it ends up, and I'm as aggravated with him as anyone, but that's the result I keep hoping for, that he suddenly goes all in and has fun doing it.

[kishoph]

His cap hit is $16.5 Million, his dead cap is $21.5 Million.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

No doubt this is the best game played this year. Hope the trend continues. You don't want Carr to step up the pocket and deliver ...

[YardRat]

H's getting doubled-teamed every week...consistently...he must be doing something right.

[Mahdi]

Darues is a key member of this defense and if we do make the playoffs I think he will take his game to another level.

[Bill Cody]

Darues is a key member of this defense and if we do make the playoffs I think he will take his game to another level.

He needs to step up now. Disconnect the feed bag, put down the roach clip and play ball

[Skooby]

He needs to step up now. Disconnect the feed bag, put down the roach clip and play ball
Haha, how true is this ?

[feldspar]

The new regime just gave Wood an extension.

They gave Wood an extension.

That's funny. Get it?

[Skooby]

They gave Wood an extension.

That's funny. Get it?
He said wood.

[OpIv37]

First, Dareus is not being "shopped." The Bills said they are open to trading him. Those are two different things.

Second, the article also says this:


The report also indicates that the Bills were looking to move the former star defensive tackle ahead of the roster cutdown day in September, but was deemed “untradeable by other teams given his off-field woes and massive contract.”

Those issues did not somehow disappear over the last 8 weeks so I'm not really sure why he's tradeable now but wasn't tradeable then.

Finally, cutting him this summer isn't a good thing. It means we will be cutting a 27 year old first round pick after just 6 seasons and after way overpaying for the production we got out of him, and eating a lot of dead cap formthe privilege. I guess that's better than continuing to overpay for a guy who isn't committed and is one ****-up from a league mandated year off to go follow the Ribwich around the country, but it certainly isn't the preferred outcome. It's just the least bad outcome at this point.

[Skooby]

First, Dareus is not being "shopped." The Bills said they are open to trading him. Those are two different things.

Second, the article also says this:



Those issues did not somehow disappear over the last 8 weeks so I'm not really sure why he's tradeable now but wasn't tradeable then.

Finally, cutting him this summer isn't a good thing. It means we will be cutting a 27 year old first round pick after just 6 seasons and after way overpaying for the production we got out of him, and eating a lot of dead cap formthe privilege. I guess that's better than continuing to overpay for a guy who isn't committed and is one ****-up from a league mandated year off to go follow the Ribwich around the country, but it certainly isn't the preferred outcome. It's just the least bad outcome at this point.
Addition by subtraction, see Doug Whaley.

[OpIv37]

Addition by subtraction, see Doug Whaley.

I've heard that probably 2 dozen times on this board. Addition by subtraction never works. Ever. Cutting Dareus means adding starting DT to our list of holes and having to fill them with less cap space due to all the dead money.

[OpIv37]

Addition by subtraction, see Doug Whaley.
Oh and one other thing on this: you can't compare players to FO personnel. There are no salary cap or roster restrictions for the FO. Maybe the owner has to buy out the contract or something but it has no effect on the ability to hire the next guy. There is no dead cap or anything like that.

[Skooby]

Oh and one other thing on this: you can't compare players to FO personnel. There are no salary cap or roster restrictions for the FO. Maybe the owner has to buy out the contract or something but it has no effect on the ability to hire the next guy. There is no dead cap or anything like that.
It’s not all about $ man, I know you think it is but on the field success is being handled by role players who are completely onboard with the system and do their job. Remember when Mario Williams wouldn’t drop back into coverage ?? He became expendable as long as anyone else who can’t bring something to the team. Hopefully we target missing pieces and depth in the draft at key positions, starting with QB.

[OpIv37]

It’s not all about $ man, I know you think it is but on the field success is being handled by role players who are completely onboard with the system and do their job. Remember when Mario Williams wouldn’t drop back into coverage ?? He became expendable as long as anyone else who can’t bring something to the team. Hopefully we target missing pieces and depth in the draft at key positions, starting with QB.

But it is about the money because of the CBA. Starting DT's don't come cheap and we'd have to find one at the additional disadvantage of the dead cap.

this isn't like a normal job where you can just fire anyone whose bad attitude holds others back. There are implications and consequences.

[Skooby]

But it is about the money because of the CBA. Starting DT's don't come cheap and we'd have to find one at the additional disadvantage of the dead cap.

this isn't like a normal job where you can just fire anyone whose bad attitude holds others back. There are implications and consequences.
Team continuity & field performance matter, you can’t get everything right when paying a fat lazy slob lots of money & hoping they perform. Think Haynesworth / Mario & other people who sucked after getting paid, It happens.

[OpIv37]

Team continuity & field performance matter, you can’t get everything right when paying a fat lazy slob lots of money & hoping they perform. Think Haynesworth / Mario & other people who sucked after getting paid, It happens.

And the only alternative is paying the fat lazy slob to do absolutely nothing and have that much less money to find his replacement.

[OpIv37]

If we cut him the dead cap is $21 million. That's not a typo. Twenty one million.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/marcell-dareus-7718/

[SpikedLemonade]

H's getting doubled-teamed every week...consistently...he must be doing something right.

Yes he is -- he is a fat bastard that was overdrafted.

[swiper]

Yes he is -- he is a fat bastard that was overdrafted.

You interrupted your auto-fellatio session just to post this?

[Skooby]

You interrupted your auto-fellatio session just to post this?
Is he wrong ?

[ublinkwescore]

Wait, there is a machine that simulates getting a bj?

[Ginger Vitis]

Addition by subtraction never works. Ever.
1) After the 1991 season where the 49ers went 10-6 and missed the playoffs for the first time in almost 10 years they decided to trade Charles Haley who they deemed to be a pain in the ass and a locker room cancer.. In 1992 the 49ers went 14-2 and made the NFl championship game

2) The Pittsburgh Steelers missed the playoffs in 2006 and shortly after they cut Joey Porter who was grumbling about his contract and threatening to potentially hold out and the Steelers grew tired of other porter transgressions.... In the Steelers were back in the playoffs in 2007 and in 2008 they won the Super Bowl

[Skooby]

1) After the 1991 season where the 49ers went 10-6 and missed the playoffs for the first time in almost 10 years they decided to trade Charles Haley who they deemed to be a pain in the ass and a locker room cancer.. In 1992 the 49ers went 14-2 and made the NFl championship game

2) The Pittsburgh Steelers missed the playoffs in 2006 and shortly after they cut Joey Porter who was grumbling about his contract and threatening to potentially hold out and the Steelers grew tired of other porter transgressions.... In the Steelers were back in the playoffs in 2007 and in 2008 they won the Super Bowl

Checkmate.

[imbondz]

Is Dareus a cancer in the locker room or does he just not try hard?

[Skooby]

Is Dareus a cancer in the locker room or does he just not try hard?
Is there a end-game difference ?

[OpIv37]

1) After the 1991 season where the 49ers went 10-6 and missed the playoffs for the first time in almost 10 years they decided to trade Charles Haley who they deemed to be a pain in the ass and a locker room cancer.. In 1992 the 49ers went 14-2 and made the NFl championship game

2) The Pittsburgh Steelers missed the playoffs in 2006 and shortly after they cut Joey Porter who was grumbling about his contract and threatening to potentially hold out and the Steelers grew tired of other porter transgressions.... In the Steelers were back in the playoffs in 2007 and in 2008 they won the Super Bowl
When all else fails, rely on the old BZ mantra of using the exception to prove the rule.

[YardRat]

When all else fails, rely on the old BZ mantra of using the exception to prove the rule.

Maybe your comment that prompted the response (Addition by subtraction never works. Ever.) shouldn't have been so absolute.

[Skooby]

When all else fails, rely on the old BZ mantra of using the exception to prove the rule.

We could find more & 6 teams make the playoffs so we could be one of them, just not lately.

[Ginger Vitis]

We could find more

The 2008 Dallas Cowboys went 9-7 and were considered underachievers and missed the playoffs.. The expectation was they would win the NFC East and win 11 or 12 games..In 2008 Terrell Owens caught 69 balls and had 1052 receiving yards and had 10 touchdowns... The Cowboys were tired of Owens complaining to the media about Tony Romo and just being his usual pain in the ass disruptive self... Do you think Jerry jones was right to cut Owens after the 2008 season?

[OpIv37]

We could find more & 6 teams make the playoffs so we could be one of them, just not lately.

I'm sure but it's meaningless because there are far, far more examples of it not working from just the Bills alone. Did Rex's D get better when they got rid of Mario Williams? No, it was pretty much exactly the same.

And the cap implications for Mario were far less than $21 million in dead space.

[OpIv37]

The only reasonable way to get rid of Dareus is to trade him to someone who's willing to take him as long as we eat a portion of his contract, which I think the CBA allows. If we can get that dead cap down to a reasonable number, it'll be worth it.

But again, we're still talking about finding a trade partner for a guy with no work ethic and an albatross of a contract who is one bong hit away from a mandatory year off. It's not going to be easy to find a trade partner.

[Skooby]

The only reasonable way to get rid of Dareus is to trade him to someone who's willing to take him as long as we eat a portion of his contract, which I think the CBA allows. If we can get that dead cap down to a reasonable number, it'll be worth it.

But again, we're still talking about finding a trade partner for a guy with no work ethic and an albatross of a contract who is one bong hit away from a mandatory year off. It's not going to be easy to find a trade partner.
Then we have to sell him for some type of value as well, that’s where it gets tricky.

[Ginger Vitis]

A poster on another site posted this... Ill just assume he is right..

Trade after week 8-

2017 - $11.238 million (save $4.871 million this year)
2018 - $14.200 million

NOTE: The $4.871 savings would be added immediately to this year's cap and can, of course, be rolled over to 2018 if not used.



*Trade in early 2018-

2018 - $14.2 million



*Trade after June 1st 2018-

2018 - $6.4 million (likely would also add $250,000 million workout bonus, depending on when it's paid)
2019 - $7.8 million



*Cut in the off season -

2018 - $21.55 million



*Cut in off season using June 1st designation-

2018 - $13.75 million
2019 - $7.80 million

NOTE: Even with the June 1st designation, the entire $21.55 million cap charge will stay against the 2018 cap until June 1st, then split as shown above.

ALSO: The 2018 charge includes $7.35 million in guaranteed 2018 salary. It is POSSIBLE that his contract contains offset language that would reduce the 2018 cap charge by whatever amount he signs for with another team in 2018 (up to $7.35 mil).





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[Skooby]

Fingers crossed, this guy is a loser.

[ckg927]

There's a update on Dareus: He's been traded to Jacksonville, per ESPN's Adam Schefter.

[cookie G]

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/924050964218224640

[cookie G]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 10m

The #Bills had tried for months to trade DT Marcel Dareus. Finally get it done in exchange for a #Jaguars 6th rounder in 2018.


https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash

lol...a 6th.

[SpikedLemonade]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 10m

The #Bills had tried for months to trade DT Marcel Dareus. Finally get it done in exchange for a #Jaguars 6th rounder in 2018.


https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash

lol...a 6th.

That is all he was worth.

[Ginger Vitis]

congrats Skoobs you got this one right

[Skooby]

congrats Skoobs you got this one right

Blind mice.....even a broken clock is right twice a day.

- - - Updated - - -


Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 10m

The #Bills had tried for months to trade DT Marcel Dareus. Finally get it done in exchange for a #Jaguars 6th rounder in 2018.


https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash

lol...a 6th.
It could be a 5th depending on his performance, so let’s call it a 6th.

[cookie G]

That is all he was worth.

Uh huh

[Night Train]

Can be a 5th rounder if he plays enough.

With a 1 year suspension hovering, his value was zilch.

The next draft will rebuild this team. I'm fine with it.

[DraftBoy]

Can be a 5th rounder if he plays enough.

With a 1 year suspension hovering, his value was zilch.

The next draft will rebuild this team. I'm fine with it.

With Dareus we appeared to be a fringe playoff team, without him who knows.

Are you still find with it if it means extending the playoff-less streak to 20 years while we wait on the next rebuild to work?

That's not to say Dareus is the talent lynchpin, but we are trading away a known commodity in what appears to be a positive year for future hope. Big risk for a team whose last playoff run is now old enough to drive a car.

[Novacane]

I don't think Bills management agrees with you Draftboy.

[SpikedLemonade]

I don't think Bills management agrees with you Draftboy.
Clearly they don't.

[Buddo]

It seems as though the FO/HC axis is adopting the 'my way or the highway' approach, to roster management.

I am not saying that that is explicitly a right, or wrong, approach, but I have to question dumping so much talent, so quickly.

Holes are being created, that will need filling. DT is now going to be a need going into the draft, with Dareus gone, and Kyle Williams only having another year or so after this one.

A bunch of low round picks, isn't going to get that done, especially with other holes that will need filling. There's going to be an awful lot riding on the next draft or two, especially if they are going to go after a QB, while creating holes elsewhere.

[SpikedLemonade]

It seems as though the FO/HC axis is adopting the 'my way or the highway' approach, to roster management.

I am not saying that that is explicitly a right, or wrong, approach, but I have to question dumping so much talent, so quickly.

Holes are being created, that will need filling. DT is now going to be a need going into the draft, with Dareus gone, and Kyle Williams only having another year or so after this one.

A bunch of low round picks, isn't going to get that done, especially with other holes that will need filling. There's going to be an awful lot riding on the next draft or two, especially if they are going to go after a QB, while creating holes elsewhere.

Kyle will NOT play next year.

He is finished.

[Goobylal]

Good call MMD. You were way off about tanking, but you hit this one.

[DraftBoy]

I don't think Bills management agrees with you Draftboy.

Wouldn't be the first or last time that will happen.

[Goobylal]

Kyle will NOT play next year.

He is finished.

If the Bills do well this year and especially if they make the playoffs, he'll be back next year. The only reason he won't is if they cut him because they don't feel that his production matches his salary.

[Ginger Vitis]

Kyle Williams is a FA at the end of this year...

[Goobylal]

Kyle Williams is a FA at the end of this year...

Doh! Missed that one. Still I think he could be back if they want him.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Doh! Missed that one. Still I think he could be back if they want him.
i get the sense that he won't play for anyone other than us. i am just speculating however.

[Goobylal]

i get the sense that he won't play for anyone other than us. i am just speculating however.

I think so as well. It's either Bills or retirement.

[Luisito23]

I love Kyle, I really hope he comes back for one last season...

He deserves to be successful here more than anyone.