QB Question

[Cntrygal]

I haven't been able to see very many games over the last couple years, so this is a real question. NOT one designed to create a ****storm of insults. (The old-timers can fill you new-timers in on my view of ****stormers )

Does Tyrod really suck that bad, or is it that as Bills fans we're so accustomed to disappointment that we want change for the sake of changing? I mean, it's late October and we're not already mathematically removed from the possibility of the playoffs........


Thank in advance for some serious feedback.


****stormers beware.

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Well hell.... I forgot that word was filtered. Poo-Poo just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[Night Train]

Re: QB Question

Tyrod is good when he's running, hit or miss when he's throwing.

[YardRat]

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IMO it's not necessarily a case of "he's really bad" as much as it is he's not "really good".

[Cntrygal]

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Tyrod is good when he's running, hit or miss when he's throwing.

So would he make a better RB or even TE? Has he started showing improvement as the season has gone on?

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IMO it's not necessarily a case of "he's really bad" as much as it is he's not "really good".

How is he comparing with rest that we've had over the last 17 years?

[YardRat]

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How is he comparing with rest that we've had over the last 17 years?

Depends on the perspective. Wins and losses? About average. Production in the passing game (yards, attempts, completions,)? Worse than most, although if one gets into some "advanced metrics" the numbers can be crunched to show "better". Turnovers and running the ball? Better.

[Thurmal]

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He's like the guy who shows up to parties and never brings beer but, to his credit, doesn't really drink any beer that's there either.

[Cntrygal]

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He's like the guy who shows up to parties and never brings beer but, to his credit, doesn't really drink any beer that's there either.

ROFL

I love the analogy!

[Mouldsie]

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Depends on the perspective. Wins and losses? About average. Production in the passing game (yards, attempts, completions,)? Worse than most, although if one gets into some "advanced metrics" the numbers can be crunched to show "better". Turnovers and running the ball? Better.

He's the only QB with a winning record that we've had since Kelly. Stop using your feelings and start using facts Yardie!

Best QBR since Kelly as well. Most points per drive too. Best TD:INT ratio too. I can go on...



He's not a "franchise QB" but he's not nearly as bad as fans say. Change for the sake of change is a dangerous game.

[YardRat]

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He's the only QB with a winning record that we've had since Kelly. Stop using your feelings and start using facts Yardie!

That's not true, Orton was 7-5.

Best QBR since Kelly as well. Most points per drive too. Best TD:INT ratio too. I can go on...

As I said, some advanced metrics could show 'better'. On a side note, QBR is a joke, anyway.

He's not a "franchise QB" but he's not nearly as bad as fans say. Change for the sake of change is a dangerous game.

Also as I said "it's not necessarily a case of "he's really bad" as much as it is he's not "really good".

[OpIv37]

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The good about Tyrod: He doesn't turn the ball over. He makes plays with his legs. He has arm strength.

The bad about Tyrod: He doesn't anticipate WR's coming open. Sometimes he doesn't see wide open WR's. His ability to feel pressure is mediocre at best- he often holds the ball too long when he could scramble for a minimal gain or just throw it away to avoid a loss. Worst of all, his ball placement is terrible. Often, even when he completes a pass, he slows the WR down and eliminates the ability for YAC.


My honest opinion is that Tyrod is the quintessential backup QB in the NFL. He doesn't lose games on his own, but he rarely wins games on his own. He's the type of guy who can come in and steal a few wins if the D and running game hold up, but he's not the player who's going to engineer 300 yard games or double digit comebacks in the 4th.

[Cntrygal]

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The good about Tyrod: He doesn't turn the ball over. He makes plays with his legs. He has arm strength.

The bad about Tyrod: He doesn't anticipate WR's coming open. Sometimes he doesn't see wide open WR's. His ability to feel pressure is mediocre at best- he often holds the ball too long when he could scramble for a minimal gain or just throw it away to avoid a loss. Worst of all, his ball placement is terrible. Often, even when he completes a pass, he slows the WR down and eliminates the ability for YAC.


My honest opinion is that Tyrod is the quintessential backup QB in the NFL. He doesn't lose games on his own, but he rarely wins games on his own. He's the type of guy who can come in and steal a few wins if the D and running game hold up, but he's not the player who's going to engineer 300 yard games or double digit comebacks in the 4th.

Nice explanation, Thanks Op!

[justasportsfan]

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He's a back up QB that can run.

[Arm of Harm]

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Whether Tyrod is good or bad depends on what you need.

Maybe your defense is playing well and generating turnovers. Maybe the running game is churning out yards. At that point, maybe all you want from your QB is a guy who will make some plays with his legs, and get you a few passing yards here and there. Also, you want your QB to not turn the ball over. Tyrod will give you all that. He'll even hit the occasional deep ball.

But now let's say that your defensive play is just okay, and you haven't generated that many turnovers. Your running game is also just so-so. At that point you're going to want a lot of yards from your passing game. Tyrod isn't going to give you that. His accuracy and information processing ability are too limited. He also seems to have plateaued in both those areas.

As a pure passer, Tyrod is a little below average, compared to the other post-Kelly QBs we've had. But his running ability is amazing, and partially balances out some of his weaknesses as a passer.

[Cntrygal]

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Whether Tyrod is good or bad depends on what you need.

Maybe your defense is playing well and generating turnovers. Maybe the running game is churning out yards. At that point, maybe all you want from your QB is a guy who will make some plays with his legs, and get you a few passing yards here and there. Also, you want your QB to not turn the ball over. Tyrod will give you all that. He'll even hit the occasional deep ball.

But now let's say that your defensive play is just okay, and you haven't generated that many turnovers. Your running game is also just so-so. At that point you're going to want a lot of yards from your passing game. Tyrod isn't going to give you that. His accuracy and information processing ability are too limited. He also seems to have plateaued in both those areas.

As a pure passer, Tyrod is a little below average, compared to the other post-Kelly QBs we've had. But his running ability is amazing, and partially balances out some of his weaknesses as a passer.

Has his passing game improved at all? Do you think that with more starting experience/coaching he'll "get it", or eventually he'll end up as the experienced back-up?

[OpIv37]

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Has his passing game improved at all? Do you think that with more starting experience/coaching he'll "get it", or eventually he'll end up as the experienced back-up?

Not from what I've seen. He improved somewhat in 2015. In 2016, he arguably regressed. In 2017, he's just the same. No better, no worse. He hasn't gotten it yet, and after 2 1/3 seasons of starting, it's highly unlikely that he ever will. At this point, he is what he is.