Lawyer Milloy Cut!!!

[XNOUGHT]

@%$%@&#

And oh look. THe Bills have alot of cap space.

There are reports from both of the Patriots fan run websites that Lawyer has been released.

Hopefully, the Vikings pick him up! :grind: :grind:

[N.Y. Orangeman]

http://flash.patriots.com/news/fullarticle.sps?id=24989&type=general

Amazing...

[Patrick76777]

Deep down the middle to Moulds all day baby.

[mypoorfriendme]

one of the best safeties in the leauge, when someone that good is cut at any position i think we should pick seriously think about it....its lawyer millow!! i cant believe he was cut, god it would be awesome to see him in a bills jersey, even if that is doubtful.

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by N.Y. Orangeman
http://flash.patriots.com/news/fullarticle.sps?id=24989&type=general

Amazing...

Welcome aboard to a fellow Orangeman. I'd love to see us get Milloy, if we wouldn't blow out our cap.

[Earthquake Enyart]

He didn't play for Tennessee or Pittsburgh. :huh:

[SABURZFAN]

milloy would be a great pickup.

[The Spaz]

Holy ***** Batman. Td get on the Bat Phone immediately!:)

[Patrick76777]

He may want to sign within the division to get back at the Pats. And he'd get his shot Sunday.

We also get a glimpse of the Pats game plan.

I mean this guy is going to play this year. He's good. And we have the cap money. I bet TD is on the phone right now.

[Stewie]

Umm, has anyone considered the Patriots know something we dont? That said, I want milloy on my team too. Itll make defense in madden kick ass :P hehe

[lordofgun]

Even if we don't land him, there's a good chance we won't have to face him twice a year. :up:

[Patrick76777]

I bet he signs in the East.

And the Phins can't afford him.

[LtBillsFan66]

He is a strong safety, right?

[Ickybaluky]

The Pats have been trying to deal with Milloy's contract for some time, but have been unable to reach an agreement. His old contract was unweildy, so this wipes the slate clean. He has changed agents since that deal was negotiated, so perhaps they will just negotiate a new contract.

As a Pats fan, I am hopeful this is just a contract deal and the team will re-sign him. As Bills fans, you should be all over this guy. Milloy didn't play well last year and is almost 30, but the guy is a warrior and will bounce back. It is rare a 4-time Pro-Bowl player and team leader becomes available. Milloy would be a great fit for the Bills, making their defense substantially better.

As a Pats fan, I hope they re-sign him.

[Ickybaluky]

Milloy is a SS, yes.

[XNOUGHT]

Wish we traded him instead..........

[The Spaz]

We should pick him up with the way the Bills use the safeties FS and SS are interchangeable. Man imagine Coy Wire, Lawyer Milloy!:)

[Stewie]

Is Milloy really substantially better than Coy Wire? I don't mean 4 time probowler Milloy, I mean the guy who the pats thought was so expendable they cut him a week before the regular season.

[The Spaz]

No we should have them both in our secondary at the same time!:)

[Earthquake Enyart]

Milloy's best days are behind him. He'd be a waste of $$

[clumping platelets]

I don't know the cap numbers but trading accelerates ALL remaining signing bonus into this year. Releasing him splits it between 2003 & 2004. One years amortization in 2003 and 2004 and beyond is pushed onto 2004 cap.

This is :eek:

Bills have plenty-o-cap space..........

clump:earpoke:Bills FO

[Ickybaluky]

It will likely cost some money to sign Milloy. He refused to negotiate off his $4.4M salary, and his agents (the Postons) are hard-line negotiators.

That said, he likely would look for a 1-Yr deal, with a franchise/transition tag prohibition. That way, he would basically play this year for a new contract and hit free agency next year.

As for his play, the Pats didn't "give up" on Milloy. This is a contract issue, flat out. Milloy's contract was too difficult to deal with, so they were forced to deal with this. He didn't have a great year last year, but neither did the team. He is a rare guy, a leader, a hitter and a guy that could help a lot of teams.

[DraftBoy]

Milloy would be nice for a lower cap hit, I would sign him in the Kim Herring deal, at 2.2 a year

[TypicalBill]

we only have 3 safeties right now... and i remember TD talking about us needing an extra DB...


we have MORE than enough and its not everyday that a guy like that is available.. i mean, look at the players available out there.. all scrubs, i wouldn't want TD to sign any of'em but this case is different!


Do your magic TD :pray:

[Patrick76777]

Whatever the case may be, I bet he has a team before tonight.

[Throne Logic]

If we cannot work out a long-term deal, I'm not sure this is worth it.

Please remember, he may be good, however, our Defense is not exactly easy to pick up. He wouldn't realistically be ready to go for a few weeks. Do we really want to sign him for what will effectively be 1/2 a season? Because that's about all he'll be effective for - if that.

[XNOUGHT]

24 teams have just contacted Lawyer.

GL guys.

[Patrick76777]

Originally posted by XNOUGHT
24 teams have just contacted Lawyer.

GL guys.


Like I said, He may want to stay in the East to get back at the Pats.

the phins don't have the cap space.


That leaves us and the Jets and we look much better heading into the season.

Plus he'd have a shot at the Pats on Sunday.

I bet we're one of the 24 teams.

[TypicalBill]

Originally posted by XNOUGHT
24 teams have just contacted Lawyer.

GL guys.

Thanks XNOUGHT .. BTW, how'd you know 24 teams contacted him?

[Shiny Chicken]

Where'd you hear the 24 number XNought?

[Dozerdog]

I'm sure his agent tossed that number out on the radio somewhere..... he's a recent graduate of the Drew Rosenhaus school of sports agents

[Tatonka]

Milloy can play free safety. he was playing some of that anyway since Harrison arrived in NE.. he was a SS in sandiego for years.

milloy is a pro bowl safety, and i am sure he could play FS better than anything we have.. plus the info that he could provide on the pats game plan could be invaluable for this week..

what the hell else are we sitting on 5.7 milllion for.. if this isnt it.. i dont know what it!!

[Shiny Chicken]

Winfield, Clements, Wire, and Milloy all in the backfield.... I do like the sounds of that:hungry:

[TypicalBill]

Originally posted by Shiny Chicken
Winfield, Clements, Wire, and Milloy all in the backfield.... I do like the sounds of that:hungry:


:drool:

[Ickybaluky]

Milloy was playing SS, Harrison was playing FS (and still is). The Pats play Right/Left S alignments, so it is not the traditional roles.

Milloy did play FS in college, but he is an NFL SS.

[IHateTheDullphins]

hopefully TD is on the horn right now!!!!

[Tatonka]

milloy is a highly talented safety. i am willing to bet that he can play FS if that is required of him. he has shown in the past that he can play it, and when you are as good as he is, you can make a switch. period.

[Tatonka]

this loss hurts NE a ton more than the addition of washington helped them.. that is for sure.

[Patrick76777]

Originally posted by Tatonka
milloy is a highly talented safety. i am willing to bet that he can play FS if that is required of him. he has shown in the past that he can play it, and when you are as good as he is, you can make a switch. period.


Agree 100% This is the NFL and he's one of the best. I'm sure he can handle either.

[Demon]

I just hope our people are on the phone with his people!

[northernbillfan]

Can we afford his contract? Do we pick up the rest of his 7 year deal if we sign him?


Milloy's salary, according to the NFLPA, jumped from $525,000 in 2002 to $4.4 million in 2003 in what was the fourth year of what was originally a seven-year, $35 million. That original contract had two tiers with the first a four-year $15 million portion that included $6 million up front. After the fourth season, the Patriots held an option to pick up the remaining three years for $20 million with a $2 million bonus payment.

We may have some room now with the cap, but would that put us close to the edge next year? As much I would like to see Malloy in a Bills uni, I don't want it to cost us a fortune and put close to cap hell.

[Patrick76777]

He's a FA!

[northernbillfan]

That clears it up for me.

But I think he will still want to get somewhere near the 4.4 Million he was going to get with the Patsies.

[Ickybaluky]

Milloy likely would stay at SS. He isn't going to play a traditional FS role, it would be a waste of his talents. He is at his best playing up in the box. He is a difference-maker as a box S. He can't cover well at all, never has been as well.

The Pats defense will still be very formidable with or without Milloy, although certainly it hurts to lose a player of his caliber. Ted Washington solidifies their run defense, and still does. Their sub packages will be OK because of the depth they have with cover guys. The Pats defense is still very formidable.

The big question, IMO, is how the other players are effected. This has to be a shock to the team. It is more a mental shock than anything else. It will be interesting to see how it translates to the game on Sunday. It surely can't help.

[TypicalBill]

he'll sign a 1 year deal worth 1.5mill - 3mill

[Patrick76777]

I really have a good feeling about this. This guy is going to want to Jam the Pats. And he can do that on Sunday, even if he doesn't play.

And I know some systems are tough to learn, But this guy is an all-pro. He can do it.

[northernbillfan]

Originally posted by TypicalBill
he'll sign a 1 year deal worth 1.5mill - 3mill

You think he'd be happy with that little?

[TypicalBill]

Originally posted by northernbillfan
You think he'd be happy with that little?


Unless he signs a Multi year contract (which i dont see considering he's 29) .. i dont see any team giving him more upfront $$ for 1 year.

[ArcticWildMan]

I wonder if Parcells is trying to sign him in Dallas? Parcells seems to have a knack for signing his old players.

[Shiny Chicken]

It could be a horse race between us and Dallas.

[TypicalBill]

remember, TD doesn't like to get into a bidding war... he'll never over pay.

[saviorbledsoe]

Patriots Message Board talking as if we already signed him....saying we interviewed him already....not sure if speculation or fact.

Coy Wire is a hard working fast learning type....he could go to free safety im sure.

[Shiny Chicken]

what's the pats message board url?

[saviorbledsoe]

http://boards.espn.go.com/cgi/nfl/request.dll?LIST&room=nfl_nwe

does this mean i served the chicken? lol

[Shiny Chicken]

You serve the Chicken well, my son.

[saviorbledsoe]

Now I am reading that someone on a Bills board heard on FOX that we have an interview with Milloy tomorrow!

[Tatonka]

hmmmm.. coy to FS..

is that possible? i really dont know.. he has shown a propensity for the big hit.. be nice to have a FS that can hit..

and you cant tell me that any of our FSs are faster than coy is.

[Throne Logic]

Coy can't cover well enough for FS.

[TypicalBill]

Holy #@!$@#$! ..... getting him would be HUGE for the backfield.... the more i think of it, the more pumped up i am!

[Dozerdog]

Bring it on!

[TedMock]

does Coy have the speed to play FS?

[clumping platelets]

Ty Law on WEEI said he'll be signed very soon

Speculation: Bills and Eagles

[TigerJ]

Let's all hold our horses and not get ahead of ourselves.

First, how is he a free agent now? As I understand it he was cut. That means he has to go through a 24 hour waiver process. The teams with a worse record than Buffalo last year get a crack at him before Buffalo does. If his contract is as awkward for teams as we understand, any team considering picking him up will inquire about renegotiation before claiming him. If he won't renegotiate then teams have to weigh the benefit against the cost. If everybody deems his contract, as presently constituted, unacceptable and decline to claim him, then he's a free agent. Then the process of bidding takes place. Buffalo's in a good position as far as the cap is concerned to compete in that bidding, but it's not a given that he's a Bill by any stretch. The good news is that NE, despite fan hopes, has real long odds against being able to sign him again. They can't claim him, so he must clear waivers. Then they have to hope he doesn't bear ill will toward the Patsies for cutting him. Who knows what Milloy is thinking however. Is he just in it for the bucks? Then he goes to the highest bidder in free agency. Is he looking to stick it to the Patriots? Then AFC East opponents have the inside track. Stay tuned. It should happen faily quickly.

[ArcticWildMan]

I don't think he has to go through waivers since he has played 4 seasons and was under contract.

[clumping platelets]

He's a vested vet(> 4 yrs NFL experience). He's not subject to a waiver claim

[Patrick76777]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Ty Law on WEEI said he'll be signed very soon

Speculation: Bills and Eagles


It's so good. I bet we get him.

[ArcticWildMan]

Eagles have a TON of cap room. Bet they sign him.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
I'm sure his agent tossed that number out on the radio somewhere..... he's a recent graduate of the Drew Rosenhaus school of sports agents


I heard it on Bills Assylum dot com.

Oh wait, it was his agents brother......

Oh no! He cancelled, we'll talk to the Assistant Depty Press Secretary for the Pats....

No!!! She cancelled. We'll talk to Joe Geek from footballnerd dot com. :nerd:

[TypicalBill]

Ty Law??

[The Spaz]

No way they already have Brian Dawkins and Michael Lewis!

[Ickybaluky]

It doesn't sound like NE will re-sign him at all. It sounds like he is gone.

I have been listening to WEEI and haven't heard anything from Ty Law or about any team signing him.

[Tatonka]

why the hell would philly go after him.. they have the best secondary in the nfl besides miami.. and tons of young players behind them...

no way philly is in the mix.. no chance.

[Throne Logic]

How strong are his cover skills these days? The only spot we've got for him is FS. He's not going to play in place of Wire and Wire is definitely worse in coverage.

I agree that he's a good player, but I'm just not sure this is a good fit.

We can't just jump at every good player that becomes available just because we have cap space. There needs to be a spot for him. It's a stretch to sign him and move him to a different position than he's used to in a completely different defensive scheme.

[ArcticWildMan]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart



I heard it on Bills Assylum dot com.

Oh wait, it was his agents brother......

Oh no! He cancelled, we'll talk to the Assistant Depty Press Secretary for the Pats....

No!!! She cancelled. We'll talk to Joe Geek from footballnerd dot com. :nerd:


:lol:

[The Spaz]

Isn't that the truth...lol:)!

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Throne Logic
How strong are his cover skills these days? The only spot we've got for him is FS. He's not going to play in place of Wire and Wire is definitely worse in coverage.

I agree that he's a good player, but I'm just not sure this is a good fit.

We can't just jump at every good player that becomes available just because we have cap space.

I doubt TD will overpay but I'd try to sign him rather than leave that cap space doing nothing.

[justasportsfan]

Mr. Donoahoe, Lawyer Milloy just got cut by the pats

TD: "quick,, Meet me at the poker table and bring me my deck of cards " :D

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
I heard it on Bills Assylum dot com.

Oh wait, it was his agents brother......

Oh no! He cancelled, we'll talk to the Assistant Depty Press Secretary for the Pats....

No!!! She cancelled. We'll talk to Joe Geek from footballnerd dot com. :nerd:



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To: Dozerdoggy@aol.com



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[clumping platelets]

OMG!! :gag:

[Demon]

He needs to pass waivers first. So, maybe one of the weak teams will pick him up before we even get a chance. I hope he passes and we pick him up!

[clumping platelets]

He's not subject to waivers

[Shiny Chicken]

We already went over this.

[TypicalBill]

Originally posted by Demon
He needs to pass waivers first. So, maybe one of the weak teams will pick him up before we even get a chance. I hope he passes and we pick him up!


He's a vet .. played more than 4 years ... he doesn't go through waivers.


He's free :D

[Demon]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
He's not subject to waivers

Oh, my bad. That's what i heard on WGR on my way from school this morning. Sorry.

[Dozerdog]

On an unrelated note- we would be 13th in line for Waivers until the season starts, correct? It reverts to last season until they get games under their belts, right?


Milloy is a free agent

[clumping platelets]

There may be an AFC/NFC thing where an NFC player cut goes through the NFC teams first then the AFC and vice versa. But that's during the season I believe. Or maybe it's the other way around in reverse :huh:

[Turf]

Cmon TD, make it happen baby. Sign this guy!!!
This reminds me of when we signed Leonard Smith. This could be huge. Safety and DE are our 2 weakest positions, this is a gift. This could put the D over the top into credibility.

[MDFINFAN]

I can't believe you guys are not talking about the Bills acquiring Malloy already, I'd thought TD would have worked out the details by now. Man I wish we had the cap you have right now. I'd take him in a heart beat. I know he'll play for you, just to get back at the Pats,,,,ie B.B. I still think I'm dreaming on this one, I can't believe this one.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by MDFINFAN
I can't believe you guys are not talking about the Bills acquiring Malloy already, I'd thought TD would have worked out the details by now. Man I wish we had the cap you have right now. I'd take him in a heart beat. I know he'll play for you, just to get back at the Pats,,,,ie B.B. I still think I'm dreaming on this one, I can't believe this one.

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26049

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by The Spaz


http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26049


Oh no, I was hoping you guys didn't. Man I'm mad...He'll be a bill, there's no one else who's a contender who can sign him for what you guys can.

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by MDFINFAN
Oh no, I was hoping you guys didn't. Man I'm mad...He'll be a bill, there's no one else who's a contender who can sign him for what you guys can.

If he signs, you fins are so ***** dead you don't even know it.

[Shiny Chicken]

:D

[XNOUGHT]

I think he was cut now because BB was about to show the gameplan to the team........