Jordan Phillips is one of the most important pieces to our passrush

[Cali512]

Dude nearly had 4 sacks. Him coming through the middle with Rousseau and Miller on the outside should not be understated. He has the skill to be a top 5 DT in this defense. This passrush looked exactly like it did in 2019. He is an insanely good pass rusher. Something about this defense fits him so incredibly well

[Novacane]

I don't know what it is about Buffalo. He's was just average in AZ. This defense looked great.

[Gibby 2.0]

One of Beane's worst moves was letting him and those 10 sacks he had in 19 go. So glad he is back.

[Cali512]

I don't know what it is about Buffalo. He's was just average in AZ. This defense looked great.


He was standing up, playing on the end, and in the middle. He is so ****ing valuable to have and i think he controlled his temperament finally because thats his only weakness in this defense

[notacon]

The defense TEAM looked great. And the D-line’s constant changing of players and DEPTH is “one of the most important pieces to our pass rush”.

Here are the snap counts for the eight D-lineman (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022-snap-counts.htm)....

Von Miller - 52.24%
Rosseau - 67.16%
Epenesa - 53.73%
Phillips - 52.24%
Basham - 38.81%
Jones - 68.66%
Settle - 41.79%
Oliver - 25.37%


This is a recipe for dominance. The “backups (https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/buf)” (Phillips, Basham, Epenesa & Settle) would be starters on the majority of NFL teams.

[Cali512]

The defense TEAM looked great. And the D-line’s constant changing of players and DEPTH is “one of the most important pieces to our pass rush”.

Here are the snap counts for the eight D-lineman (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022-snap-counts.htm)....

Von Miller - 52.24%
Rosseau - 67.16%
Epenesa - 53.73%
Phillips - 52.24%
Basham - 38.81%
Jones - 68.66%
Settle - 41.79%
Oliver - 25.37%


This is a recipe for dominance. The “backups (https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/buf)” (Phillips, Basham, Epenesa & Settle) would be starters on the majority of NFL teams.



I feel like your trying to disagree with me in a weird way


Im saying Phillips is one of the best in the game and when he plays our defense is maximized. Your trying to be sneaky in your disagreement that hes one of the biggest pieces to our defense. Is that because it makes your boy from the 9th most important piece to the 10th??

Something feels off about your response. I feel like i know what it is

[Woodman]

It's just a great rotation system .... stay fresh kick ass.

[notacon]

I feel like your trying to disagree with me in a weird way


Im saying Phillips is one of the best in the game and when he plays our defense is maximized. Your trying to be sneaky in your disagreement that hes one of the biggest pieces to our defense. Is that because it makes your boy from the 9th most important piece to the 10th??

Something feels off about your response. I feel like i know what it is

I’m not being “sneaky” or “trying” to disagree with your opinion and in no way is it in “a weird” way.

I am clearly disagreeing with it. You are actually ignoring your own observation when you say "Something about this defense fits him so incredibly well” which is the whole point.

It’s a TEAM defense and a collection of eight different players that compliment each other in a way that is designed and play calls are (in concert with what the other position groups in the defense, LB, CB’s & S) game planned to accomplish.

And with the injury to Ed Oliver, Boogie Basham filled in at DT playing nine snaps on the inside so to maintain a rotation to keep Daquan Jones, Philips and Settle fresh. Basham filling in for a position that is not usual for him, contributes to the overall success of the D-line.

The depth of the D-line is what is “most important” and the way DC Frazier implements their strengths in relation to the strengths and weaknesses of the Rams O-line (in this game) is what makes it jell.

In other words, to the extent that Phillips is effective is attributed as much to what the other members of the defense is doing, as much as the defensive scheme and as much as his own individual skill....and the skill level among all eight D-lineman even surprised (how well they played as a group) some of the players....like McKenzie who mentioned that fact in his podcast (https://www.golongtd.com/p/isaiah-mckenzie-show-s2-ep1-inside?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details). (Specifically he talks about the D-line at that 18:30 mark)

[Cali512]

I’m not being “sneaky” or “trying” to disagree with your opinion and in no way is it in “a weird” way.

I am clearly disagreeing with it. You are actually ignoring your own observation when you say "Something about this defense fits him so incredibly well” which is the whole point.

It’s a TEAM defense and a collection of eight different players that compliment each other in a way that is designed and play calls are (in concert with what the other position groups in the defense, LB, CB’s & S) game planned to accomplish.

And with the injury to Ed Oliver, Boogie Basham filled in at DT playing nine snaps on the inside so to maintain a rotation to keep Daquan Jones, Philips and Settle fresh. Basham filling in for a position that is not usual for him, contributes to the overall success of the D-line.

The depth of the D-line is what is “most important” and the way DC Frazier implements their strengths in relation to the strengths and weaknesses of the Rams O-line (in this game) is what makes it jell.

In other words, to the extent that Phillips is effective is attributed as much to what the other members of the defense is doing, as much as the defensive scheme and as much as his own individual skill....and the skill level among all eight D-lineman even surprised (how well they played as a group) some of the players....like McKenzie who mentioned that fact in his podcast (https://www.golongtd.com/p/isaiah-mckenzie-show-s2-ep1-inside?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&utm_medium=email#details). (Specifically he talks about the D-line at that 18:30 mark)


ROFL

what a disgusting and repulsive take, LOL. Your post is ridiculous and comical ROFL


Uh huh

[Mace]

I think Phillips is a perfect fit here, brings some mean, and he has a knack of rising to the moment here. Imho, he's a critical, underrated add to this defense, though I can't imagine we'll be able to keep him.

[sukie]

I think Phillips is a perfect fit here, brings some mean, and he has a knack of rising to the moment here. Imho, he's a critical, underrated add to this defense, though I can't imagine we'll be able to keep him.
We couldn’t keep him before and he signed for big scratch only to bust all over the place and be released… I think he loves Buffalo and wants to collect hardware.

[Cali512]

I think Phillips is a perfect fit here, brings some mean, and he has a knack of rising to the moment here. Imho, he's a critical, underrated add to this defense, though I can't imagine we'll be able to keep him.



We havent had a DT who consistently gets into the backfield like he does. Oliver is great, but he doesnt clog the middle and bully guards like Phillips does. He reminds me of Haynesworth when he was good.


I understand the rotation is great, but all im saying is having Phillips on the field maximizes our defense. And yes the rotation is great at keeping him fresh. On passing downs, having Rousseau/Oliver/Phillip/Von on the field is legit unfair to the offense


Milano and Edmunds are great at playing sideline to sideline, and we have 5 DBs on the field. So the middle is getting pressure, outside is getting pressue, Edmunds and milano control dumpoffs, and our DBs are very good to great. There is no weakness


Last year i felt like our defense feasted on bad QBs and average RBs. I have confidence that when we play Mahomes, Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow, well be ready and get consistent pressure

[Mace]

We couldn’t keep him before and he signed for big scratch only to bust all over the place and be released… I think he loves Buffalo and wants to collect hardware.

I'm more than fine with it. Here.....he'a a wrecker. Don't care why. Collect the hardware, sign him every other year with a prove it deal, gimme results. He has.

[Cali512]

I'm more than fine with it. Here.....he'a a wrecker. Don't care why. Collect the hardware, sign him every other year with a prove it deal, gimme results. He has.



I would prioritize him over Oliver tbh. But the benefit we have is that hes seen the alternative and it wasnt great. so hes at the mercy of our team


But oliver needs to be careful and see what happened to Phillips because Oliver never had a season like phillips when we let him go. The grass isnt always greener on the other side and we can easily roll with Jones, settle, and phillips if oliver wants to play that game

[notacon]

ROFL

what a disgusting and repulsive take, LOL. Your post is ridiculous and comical ROFL


Uh huh
A "disgusting and repulsive take?!?!?!? Seriously???? I can't help it if your takes are just plain dumb.


Funny, but you “guaranteed” that Jamison Crowder was going to be cut. Instead, he was a significant contributor at the slot position. Sorry if you show time and time again that your observations and analysis are shallow and sometimes, nonsensical.

Jesus. Grow the **** up.

[Cali512]

A "disgusting and repulsive take?!?!?!? Seriously???? I can't help it if your takes are just plain dumb.


Funny, but you “guaranteed” that Jamison Crowder was going to be cut. Instead, he was a significant contributor at the slot position. Sorry if you show time and time again that your observations and analysis are shallow and sometimes, nonsensical.

Jesus. Grow the **** up.




Such a *****. I literally just treated you the way you treat everyone on this site and you couldnt handle it. I intentionally used the words that you use against everyone else around here


Man up man, your to old to act like this. If you cant handle it, maybe quit treating everyone on this site like **** bro. If your not man enough to handle it, then quit talking to people like your above everyone. Its not cute and you just proved you cant handle it when its said to you


Im going to continue to do it to until you learn your lesson because the way you talk to people around here is "repulsive" and "disgusting"

I think its good for you to see how you treat people, maybe youll grow the **** up and quit

[swiper]

What stood out to me was the stupid penalty he took. Like he always did last time he was here. He made up for it, but he's gotta stop that.

[Forward_Lateral]

I thought the entire D-line played awesome. The middle of the line has certainly upgraded over last year.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Jordan Philips is from the Kansas City area. But his girlfriend is a former UB lacrosse player from the Buffalo area and they have a kid together. That's the reason why he's often in Buffalo even when he was playing for the Cardinals.

The guy was drafted in 2nd round for a reason: a big man (320+ lb) with quickness of a 260 - 280 lb guy. Oliver is a 280 - 290 lb guy that's more explosive off the first step with power in Aaron Donald mold. I'll caution big does not equal power. Donald is about 290lb but he's universally recognized as one of the strongest D-Line guy.

Philips game is fairly uneven. He has bigger games than last Thursday before, but he also has (sometimes long) stretch of games of doing nothing. So it is an over-reaction just based on a game or two. Not a good reputation of disciplined like staying in his gaps etc. There is a reason he was released by the Dolphins before his rookie contract ran out, and why McDermott and Beane did not put him at a high enough priority to resign back then, even though the team needed a 3-tech DT badly.

If it was up to me, Ed Oliver is the one you go after. Younger and has improved every year. You will be surprised to know how many D-Line men never really study the film other than looking for tendencies of O-Lineman they are going face; that's because winning one-on-one battle, sometime one-on-two, has always been the big thing for them. But in interviews last year, Oliver mentioned he learned how to study films etc. and this year, he even sounded like Dequan Jones in saying you need to figure out quickly what they (offense) are trying to do in order to fight them. That sounded so much more than then the dumbed down answer of "staying in your lane/gap".

Of course if Josh Allen and the offense continue to perform like they did last Thursday, those D-Line can afford to play dumb: just go after the QB. Like yesterday's Chiefs and Cards game, I'm not a Cards fan but I know the feeling because during Brady's heydays in Buffalo, every drive we don't score a TD, it feels like we'll be down another 7 points and they are going to tee off on our QB ...

[Cali512]

Jordan Philips is from the Kansas City area. But his girlfriend is a former UB lacrosse player from the Buffalo area and they have a kid together. That's the reason why he's often in Buffalo even when he was playing for the Cardinals.

The guy was drafted in 2nd round for a reason: a big man (320+ lb) with quickness of a 260 - 280 lb guy. Oliver is a 280 - 290 lb guy that's more explosive off the first step with power in Aaron Donald mold. I'll caution big does not equal power. Donald is about 290lb but he's universally recognized as one of the strongest D-Line guy.

Philips game is fairly uneven. He has bigger games than last Thursday before, but he also has (sometimes long) stretch of games of doing nothing. So it is an over-reaction just based on a game or two. Not a good reputation of disciplined like staying in his gaps etc. There is a reason he was released by the Dolphins before his rookie contract ran out, and why McDermott and Beane did not put him at a high enough priority to resign back then, even though the team needed a 3-tech DT badly.

If it was up to me, Ed Oliver is the one you go after. Younger and has improved every year. You will be surprised to know how many D-Line men never really study the film other than looking for tendencies of O-Lineman they are going face; that's because winning one-on-one battle, sometime one-on-two, has always been the big thing for them. But in interviews last year, Oliver mentioned he learned how to study films etc. and this year, he even sounded like Dequan Jones in saying you need to figure out quickly what they (offense) are trying to do in order to fight them. That sounded so much more than then the dumbed down answer of "staying in your lane/gap".

Of course if Josh Allen and the offense continue to perform like they did last Thursday, those D-Line can afford to play dumb: just go after the QB. Like yesterday's Chiefs and Cards game, I'm not a Cards fan but I know the feeling because during Brady's heydays in Buffalo, every drive we don't score a TD, it feels like we'll be down another 7 points and they are going to tee off on our QB ...


I think Oliver needs to see what happened with Phillips as a warning. I honestly think he could be expendable if his price tag gets to high

And i have to be honest, after seeing the micd up, and just trying to keep an open mind. I sort of want us to keep edmunds. He seems to be more vocal this year, idk if he bulked up, but he looks bigger, and i think having a consistent pass rush around his will help him not be exposed. He didnt seem to be over thinking. Ill set a standard. If he hits 5+ sacks and 120+ tackles, ill want him resigned over oliver

[notacon]

I thought the entire D-line played awesome. The middle of the line has certainly upgraded over last year.

Exactly. There are eight members of the D-Line. Almost completely reworked and the addition of Von Miller makes all the other players more effective.

[notacon]

Jordan Philips is from the Kansas City area. But his girlfriend is a former UB lacrosse player from the Buffalo area and they have a kid together. That's the reason why he's often in Buffalo even when he was playing for the Cardinals.

The guy was drafted in 2nd round for a reason: a big man (320+ lb) with quickness of a 260 - 280 lb guy. Oliver is a 280 - 290 lb guy that's more explosive off the first step with power in Aaron Donald mold. I'll caution big does not equal power. Donald is about 290lb but he's universally recognized as one of the strongest D-Line guy.

Philips game is fairly uneven. He has bigger games than last Thursday before, but he also has (sometimes long) stretch of games of doing nothing. So it is an over-reaction just based on a game or two. Not a good reputation of disciplined like staying in his gaps etc. There is a reason he was released by the Dolphins before his rookie contract ran out, and why McDermott and Beane did not put him at a high enough priority to resign back then, even though the team needed a 3-tech DT badly.

If it was up to me, Ed Oliver is the one you go after. Younger and has improved every year. You will be surprised to know how many D-Line men never really study the film other than looking for tendencies of O-Lineman they are going face; that's because winning one-on-one battle, sometime one-on-two, has always been the big thing for them. But in interviews last year, Oliver mentioned he learned how to study films etc. and this year, he even sounded like Dequan Jones in saying you need to figure out quickly what they (offense) are trying to do in order to fight them. That sounded so much more than then the dumbed down answer of "staying in your lane/gap".

Of course if Josh Allen and the offense continue to perform like they did last Thursday, those D-Line can afford to play dumb: just go after the QB. Like yesterday's Chiefs and Cards game, I'm not a Cards fan but I know the feeling because during Brady's heydays in Buffalo, every drive we don't score a TD, it feels like we'll be down another 7 points and they are going to tee off on our QB ...


Good post.

Ed Oliver is an emerging superstar. Phillips was waived by the Dolphins after being a non-entity for three years, revived his career in Buffalo, but he was not worth matching Arizona’s offer to him in 2020 of $10M APY for three years. They cut him lose after two years and paying him $20M

He was injured and missed games in each of his two years in Arizona....seven of the last eight games in 2020, and first four games of 2021, and then the final thee games of the season including the playoff loss to the Rams.

The Bills signed him for a much more reasonable one year contract for half that with only a $3.5M cap hit.

Ed Oliver will be a priority to sign to a long term contract as he is coming into his own as a star.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

The word from Miami was that playing at 340+lb weight as a starter for majority of the snaps, his play deteriorated and was labelled "lazy" in some snaps, but he wants to be THE man and has his snaps like 60 range.

When he comes to Buffalo, he becomes part of the rotation. Some believes that the best snaps for him in a game may be around 30. In other words, he's viewed as a rotational player. The problem is compensation as a rotational player. Not everyone can be Von Miller who can effective playing the whole game if needed.

Last Thursday, Oliver got 17 snaps before he went down. Philips, as the only other true 3-tech DT dressed, got a total of 35 snaps.

[notacon]

The word from Miami was that playing at 340+lb weight as a starter for majority of the snaps, his play deteriorated and was labelled "lazy" in some snaps, but he wants to be THE man and has his snaps like 60 range.

When he comes to Buffalo, he becomes part of the rotation. Some believes that the best snaps for him in a game may be around 30. In other words, he's viewed as a rotational player. The problem is compensation as a rotational player. Not everyone can be Von Miller who can effective playing the whole game if needed.

Last Thursday, Oliver got 17 snaps before he went down. Philips, as the only other true 3-tech DT dressed, got a total of 35 snaps.

Like I said above (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/260959-Jordan-Phillips-is-one-of-the-most-important-pieces-to-our-passrush?p=4956210&viewfull=1#post4956210), the rotation of eight different D-lineman, when the four “backups” can start on most teams, is THE “most important piece(s) to our pass rush”.

I provided the percentage of snaps each of the eight got, but the number of snaps provides an interesting story as well....

Daquan Jones - 46
Greg Rousseau - 45
A.J. Epenesa - 36
Von Miller - 35
Jordan Phillips - 35
Boogie Basham - 26
Tim Settle - 28
Ed Oliver - 17

When your best DT had the least amount of snaps, and the D-Line still dominated.....that is great news indeed.

The other good news is that last year, Von Miler (for both DEN and LAR (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillVo00/fantasy/2021)) averaged 51 snaps per game. There was only one game when he had less than 35 (33 in week 7 DEN vs CLE) and one game with 38 (week #3 DEN vs NYJ).

In his 8 regular season games with LAR, he averaged 54 snaps per game.


The Bills need Von Miller to close games, especially late in the year and critically, the playoffs. This formula, if it can be maintained, will go a long way to accomplish that goal.

[Cali512]

I dont wanna hear **** about the rotation. Phillips handled his on playing most of the snaps vs the strongest RB in the nfl


Olivers great but Phillips and Jones were the better matchup for a game like this

[Woodman]

They were beasts out there tonight!

:gobills:

[Jeff1220]

Expect a huge game from him this week vs. his first team The Phins.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

He seems to have a certain nick foles quality to him

really good with one team and just disappointing with everyone else

[notacon]

I dont wanna hear **** about the rotation. Phillips handled his on playing most of the snaps vs the strongest RB in the nfl


Olivers great but Phillips and Jones were the better matchup for a game like this
Of course you "don’t want to hear about the rotation” because you reject reality. Like I stated earlier, if Phillips can overcome his inconsistency and especially his injury history he could be a reliable DL in the rotation.

He was out of the game, while it was still in doubt, with a hamstring injury. :rolleyes:

Phillips is a great addition to the Bills, but he is NOT “the most important pieces to our pass rush” and the depth and rotation of eight D-lineman is THE key to the Bills success. It’s a TEAM defense victory.

Joe B. supplied the facts and expert post game first impression quite succinctly (https://theathletic.com/3610924/2022/09/20/bills-win-titans-observations/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983) ....



The job of the defensive tackles cannot be understated


The identity of the Titans is Derrick Henry (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/derrick-henry-oJQx7e7sJBwSTdBo/) and their running game, which put a massive emphasis on the Bills players up the middle. That started with the defensive tackles, but without Ed Oliver (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/ed-oliver-wS7InKrtkHpNB7Lw/) and Tim Settle (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/tim-settle-zMYnriWVJvQxaX1g/) available due to injury it made a difficult task a bit more daunting. The Bills called up practice squad defensive tackles Brandin Bryant (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/brandin-bryant-YXUFzw4q9AiwBwqc/) and C.J. Brewer (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/cj-brewer-WJlV3JGZDZvEdIda/) to fill the void and join starters DaQuan Jones (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/daquan-jones-70J5MNRzqKg5ixnt/) and Jordan Phillips (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/jordan-phillips-c8SuUOg5YQcWICH7/). Between the four of them, they were dominant at the line of scrimmage and were a key reason why Henry and the Titans rushing attack couldn’t get anything established. Here is a look at how the Titans fared against each of the defensive tackles.


Bills DTs vs. Titans run game (pre-garbage time)




<tbody>
PLAYER
YARDS PER ATTEMPT
ATTEMPTS AGAINST
YARDS AGAINST


https://theathletic-player-headshots.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/american_football/70J5MNRzqKg5ixnt_144x96.pngDaQuan Jones (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/daquan-jones-70J5MNRzqKg5ixnt/)
2.3
8
18


https://theathletic-player-headshots.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/american_football/c8SuUOg5YQcWICH7_144x96.pngJordan Phillips (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/jordan-phillips-c8SuUOg5YQcWICH7/)
1.8
9
16


https://theathletic-player-headshots.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/american_football/YXUFzw4q9AiwBwqc_144x96.pngBrandin Bryant (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/brandin-bryant-YXUFzw4q9AiwBwqc/)
1.5
8
12


https://cdn-team-logos.theathletic.com/team-logo-34-50x50.pngC.J. Brewer (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/cj-brewer-WJlV3JGZDZvEdIda/)
3.5
4
14

</tbody>




Bryant is the real standout there. He was one of the last players the Bills cut from the 53-man roster but made it through waivers and they retained him for the practice squad. Their faith in him was rewarded with an excellent game. Jones and Phillips were also both outstanding and dominated their matchups up front. But they weren’t out there alone, so what were the best defensive tackle combinations against Henry?


Bills DT pairings vs. Titans run game (pre-garbage time)




<tbody>
DT PAIRING
YARDS PER ATTEMPT
ATTEMPTS AGAINST
YARDS AGAINST


https://cdn-team-logos.theathletic.com/team-logo-34-50x50.pngDaQuan Jones & Jordan Phillips
3.5
4
14


https://cdn-team-logos.theathletic.com/team-logo-34-50x50.pngDaQuan Jones & Brandin Bryant
-1.0
1
-1


https://cdn-team-logos.theathletic.com/team-logo-34-50x50.pngDaQuan Jones & C.J. Brewer
1.5
2
3


https://cdn-team-logos.theathletic.com/team-logo-34-50x50.pngJordan Phillips & Brandin Bryant
0.0
4
0


https://cdn-team-logos.theathletic.com/team-logo-34-50x50.pngBrandin Bryant & C.J. Brewer
5.5
2
11

</tbody>




Weirdly enough, the Jones and Phillips combination yielded the second-highest yards per carry average, but 3.5 is still a good figure. Once again, it’s Bryant standing out here. The Titans averaged zero yards or less in two of his three defensive tackle combinations. They only gained positive yardage when Bryant paired with Brewer, an undrafted rookie.

It is worth pointing out the Titans’ offensive line is quickly turning into one of the worst in the league. Their starting guards are an issue, they lost left tackle Taylor Lewan (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/taylor-lewan-bT4i6VCV1a1nrgrX/) to an in-game injury and they’re also starting a third-round rookie at right tackle. But to the Bills’ credit, they dominated all night and didn’t allow Henry to become a factor.



Yes, the depth and rotation of D-line is the key.

[Cali512]

Of course you "don’t want to hear about the rotation” because you reject reality. Like I stated earlier, if Phillips can overcome his inconsistency and especially his injury history he could be a reliable DL in the rotation.

He was out of the game, while it was still in doubt, with a hamstring injury. :rolleyes:

Phillips is a great addition to the Bills, but he is NOT “the most important pieces to our pass rush” and the depth and rotation of eight D-lineman is THE key to the Bills success. It’s a TEAM defense victory.

Joe B. supplied the facts and expert post game first impression quite succinctly (https://theathletic.com/3610924/2022/09/20/bills-win-titans-observations/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983) ....




Yes, the depth and rotation of D-line is the key.



Your stats backup that Phillips was holding his own as the number one DT vs the strongest RB in the nfl and was amazing with a practice squad DT? Im hoping that you dont think Bryant wasnt the reason Phillips stats were amazing because Phillips definitely helped him more than bryant helped him

Also please for god sakes educate yourself before you talk, Phillips got hurt running with milano during his int



"In the fourth quarter, Buffalo announced that linebacker Matt Milano and defensive tackle Jordan Phillips were both being evaluated for injuries as well and that they would not return."


If you think the game was in doubt when we were up 35-7, then well, you have no faith in our team


I have no clue why you insist on discrediting Phillips, it almost seems like you just dont like him or something, but aside from Von, hes the best player on our DL. Followed by Oliver then Rousseau


He has Olivers skillset but hes way bigger and stronger

Just stop man, be happy we have a dt thats playing like a top 5-10 DT in the nfl and quit sayinf "its just the rotation guys" to discredit how good he is



You claimed it was the rotation, he played the majority of the snaps because he had to, we played the strongest RB in the nfl whos a top 5 RB and he locked down the interior line. It wasnt the rotation monday, we didnt have a rotation, we had 4 DTs active and 2 are practice squad players

This may be your worst take, just give phillips credit and quit with the passive aggressive "yes the ALL played well and the ROTATION, is amazing

[Cali512]

Phillips had 51% of the snaps. He missed most of the 4th quarter with his injury. Daquon played the rest as did the other backup DTs. Before he got hurt he had 70% of the snaps

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Phillips will not be playing for at least 2 weeks with that hammy injury.

[Cali512]

Phillips will not be playing for at least 2 weeks with that hammy injury.



Whered you see that? Thats devastating if we lose our best interior lineman

[notacon]

Your stats backup that Phillips was holding his own as the number one DT vs the strongest RB in the nfl and was amazing with a practice squad DT? Im hoping that you dont think Bryant wasnt the reason Phillips stats were amazing because Phillips definitely helped him more than bryant helped him

Also please for god sakes educate yourself before you talk, Phillips got hurt running with milano during his int



"In the fourth quarter, Buffalo announced that linebacker Matt Milano and defensive tackle Jordan Phillips were both being evaluated for injuries as well and that they would not return."


If you think the game was in doubt when we were up 35-7, then well, you have no faith in our team


I have no clue why you insist on discrediting Phillips, it almost seems like you just dont like him or something, but aside from Von, hes the best player on our DL. Followed by Oliver then Rousseau


He has Olivers skillset but hes way bigger and stronger

Just stop man, be happy we have a dt thats playing like a top 5-10 DT in the nfl and quit sayinf "its just the rotation guys" to discredit how good he is



You claimed it was the rotation, he played the majority of the snaps because he had to, we played the strongest RB in the nfl whos a top 5 RB and he locked down the interior line. It wasnt the rotation monday, we didnt have a rotation, we had 4 DTs active and 2 are practice squad players

This may be your worst take, just give phillips credit and quit with the passive aggressive "yes the ALL played well and the ROTATION, is amazing

I had a typo....I meant to type that “he was out of the game, while it wasn’t still in doubt”


Of course, his injury proves my observation of him being injury prone. I certainly hope he can play this week.....but hammy injuries have a history of lingering.

In any event, I did not say that he did not “hold his own”....in fact I said....and even BOLDED it so you would not miss it...apparently you did anyway...."Phillips is a great addition to the Bills”

But, as I continued...."but he is NOT “the most important pieces to our pass rush” and the depth and rotation of eight D-lineman is THE key to the Bills success. It’s a TEAM defense victory.”

There is no doubt that what I wrote is 100% accurate.


I am NOT “discrediting” Phillips. Jesus. You obviously do not have the cababilty to comprehend what “discrediting” a player even is. You DO and HAVE repeatedly and ignorantly “discredited” Patrick Mahomes....and then deny the plain reality of what YOU wrote.

In the instance of Phillips, YOU are “discrediting” the rest of the defensive line, the defensive scheme, other critical players and the show contempt and lack of understanding of TEAM play where one player compliments another.

Stop being such a whiney brat because I (or others) do not agree with you 100%, with one of your patented silly and shallow takes.


You have an issue with what the expert Joe B. wrote....take it up with him. He has forgotten more about football than you will ever know.

[Woodman]

Phillips will not be playing for at least 2 weeks with that hammy injury.

Huge loss for damn sure.

Do you have a link?

[Woodman]

Phillips had 51% of the snaps. He missed most of the 4th quarter with his injury. Daquon played the rest as did the other backup DTs. Before he got hurt he had 70% of the snaps
Too many snaps that's why no Oliver and Settle hurts more than it 1st appears.

[Woodman]

Jordan had to really be looking forward to this one damn it.

[Cali512]

Your stats backup that Phillips was holding his own as the number one DT vs the strongest RB in the nfl and was amazing with a practice squad DT? Im hoping that you dont think Bryant wasnt the reason Phillips stats were amazing because Phillips definitely helped him more than bryant helped him

Also please for god sakes educate yourself before you talk, Phillips got hurt running with milano during his int



"In the fourth quarter, Buffalo announced that linebacker Matt Milano and defensive tackle Jordan Phillips were both being evaluated for injuries as well and that they would not return."


If you think the game was in doubt when we were up 35-7, then well, you have no faith in our team


I have no clue why you insist on discrediting Phillips, it almost seems like you just dont like him or something, but aside from Von, hes the best player on our DL. Followed by Oliver then Rousseau


He has Olivers skillset but hes way bigger and stronger

Just stop man, be happy we have a dt thats playing like a top 5-10 DT in the nfl and quit sayinf "its just the rotation guys" to discredit how good he is



You claimed it was the rotation, he played the majority of the snaps because he had to, we played the strongest RB in the nfl whos a top 5 RB and he locked down the interior line. It wasnt the rotation monday, we didnt have a rotation, we had 4 DTs active and 2 are practice squad players

This may be your worst take, just give phillips credit and quit with the passive aggressive "yes the ALL played well and the ROTATION, is amazing


Your really bad at this, that wasnt a typo because you clearly were trying to say that phillips wasnt in the game when it mattered. Dude stfu, your not sly, you try to say things in a sneaky way and when called out on it you try and act like you werent implying something


This whole thread you were trying to take subtle jabs at phillips and discredit him.


Btw thanks for being more mature with your posts, you still have an issue with the name calling but your growing up a lot with the stupid ROFL LOL bs


I think you realized how annoying it was when i did it to you


Props on growing up a bit, the namecalling is the next step you should work on to finally be taken seriously around here

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Huge loss for damn sure.

Do you have a link?
on BF they have a ortho doc on analyzing injuries and he said from what he saw and from his treating hammy injuries that Phillips will be out a min of 2 weeks

[Goobylal]

I hate the he injured himself on a meaningless (to the outcome) play, just running downfield to escort Milano. SMH.

[Cali512]

One thing i feel like i deserve credit for is even though i have strong opinions and share them, i at least have stats and do my homework to support my argument. I dont just post random articles like some people do. I provide stats, on field videos, and have a solid defense for most of what i say. I may be wrong at times but i at least put myself out there, use my own research, and come up with my own opinions on things

Also i do know a lot about football. The only time people poke holes in my argument is when i over exaggerate things and use trigger words like "elite". But i know what im seeing on field and that is almost never what i get **** for. Its my impulsive opinions that still generally turn into a good discussion, even if half of it is trashing me


Im very self aware of all this

[Woodman]

on BF they have a ortho doc on analyzing injuries and he said from what he saw and from his treating hammy injuries that Phillips will be out a min of 2 weeks
Thanks appreciate it.

:gobills:

[notacon]

I hate the he injured himself on a meaningless (to the outcome) play, just running downfield to escort Milano. SMH.

Phillips' two biggest weakness in the past is his inconsistent play and being injury prone.

He has not shown inconsistent play in the first two games and was a solid contributor, but, hurting his hammy in game two does not bode well. Especially if his injury occurred just by running down the field. How sad.

Thankfully, the strength of the Bills in general and especially on the D-line is depth.


As DC Frazier said, it’s NEVER about ONE GUY” (https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-to-use-a-collective-effort-to-slow-down-dolphins-wrs) in their scheme, but rather a “collective effort".....yeah...anyone with half a brain knows football excellence is all about....TEAM effort....11 players on the field any given play, in each phase of the game, meshing and complimenting each other.....



While Benford and Elam could see more playing time, Frazier envisions more of a group effort to control the big-play ability of the two speedsters in Miami.

"It's never about one guy in our scheme. I mean, it's about a collective effort between our rush and our coverage combined. And there aren't a lot of guys in our league who will stand up and to tell you, `I'm going to take Tyreek Hill one on one. I got him all day long.' It just doesn't happen very often in our league," Frazier explained.

There are injury concerns up front for the Bills as well, with the status of DT Ed Oliver, DT Jordan Phillips and DT Tim Settle all uncertain for Sunday. Frazier shared that he creates his game plans with certain injured players in mind while also being conscious of trusting the depth the team has.

"You're thinking about matchups and what you want to try to get accomplished, but at the end of the day, you have to trust the guys that could potentially step into roles — if someone is not able to play — that they'll be able to handle the game plan," Frazier said.


Hopefully, Ed Oliver will be back since he saw “limited” practice time on Wed. Same with Settle and Poyer on defense, and Gabe Davis and Mitch Morse on offense.

Those that did not practice are less likely to see any action....Micah Hyde, Dane Jackson and Phillips on D, and Knox on offense.

Out of those four, the player that will be missed the least is Phillips.

The D-line depth is strong as can be, with 8 extremely capable players, and, as was shown against Tennessee, two more from the practice squad that more than held their own when unexpectedly, not only put on the active roster, but getting considerable playing time......C.J. Brewer and Brandin Bryant.

[notacon]

One thing i feel like i deserve credit for is even though i have strong opinions and share them, i at least have stats and do my homework to support my argument. I dont just post random articles like some people do. I provide stats, on field videos, and have a solid defense for most of what i say. I may be wrong at times but i at least put myself out there, use my own research, and come up with my own opinions on things

Also i do know a lot about football. The only time people poke holes in my argument is when i over exaggerate things and use trigger words like "elite". But i know what im seeing on field and that is almost never what i get **** for. Its my impulsive opinions that still generally turn into a good discussion, even if half of it is trashing me


Im very self aware of all this
:rofl: When someone has to say "i do know a lot about football” they usually don’t know even close to as much as they claim.

Breaking your arm to pat yourself on the back when you have been shown to present some of the silliest and most ignorant premises here, illustrates how clownish your posts are.

[Cali512]

:rofl: When someone has to say "i do know a lot about football” they usually don’t know even close to as much as they claim.

Breaking your arm to pat yourself on the back when you have been shown to present some of the silliest and most ignorant premises here, illustrates how clownish your posts are.



I really had faith that you grew up, damn. Maybe eventually.

[notacon]

I really had faith that you grew up, damn. Maybe eventually.

Projecting agains I see. Your post proclaiming how much you know about football, sounds exactly like a pre-teen bragging to his friends (who groan because they know he’s full of ****).

[Cali512]

Projecting agains I see. Your post proclaiming how much you know about football, sounds exactly like a pre-teen bragging to his friends (who groan because they know he�s full of ****).



Yes, your allowed to act like i dont know anything football and i can write back that your wrong with an explanation about why i disagree with you and say i do know a lot about football

Okay notty, okay. Double standard here


You realize how many people have told you the same and you immediately disagree with them and yes you may not say "i know a lot about football", but you definitely disagree with them


The difference between the two of us is you call people names and do the 5 yr old ROFL, was a disgusting response, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, bull**** and i actually disagree and give a well thought out post about what my strategy is to come up with my conclusions


The way you talk on here is like how somebody tweets, you know who im talking about


Insulting people vs disagreeing with actual points. Are you really about to argue about this?

[Cali512]

Projecting agains I see. Your post proclaiming how much you know about football, sounds exactly like a pre-teen bragging to his friends (who groan because they know he’s full of ****).

Notty you realize no adult uses ROFL


Like seriously, you cant call someone a pre teen and use ROFL emoji's. Your the only one here that does that and its literally from the pre teen playbook. I feel like your self aware of stuff like this and try to say it before someone says it to you. I understand the strategy but your way to behind everything to try and play that game



now back to the post. Ill live by the sword that Phillips the the most important part to our pass rush aside from Von and you die by the sword of Red Bryant, Brewer, and Daquon are the onces who are dominating

I don get why me saying phillips is the second most important player aside from von to our passrush when the last time we had this type of pash was, you guessed it, the last time we had jordan phillips


He provides a presence in the middle that even oliver cant provide and hes an excellent pass rush. Yes our rotation helps him be fresh but i dont see you saying millers a bi product when they both play similar amounts of snaps

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Notacon and Cali take your passing match offline it's polluting the forum

[Cali512]

Notacon and Cali take your passing match offline it's polluting the forum


Ive tried messaging him to get this figured out but it lead no where. Its just annoying. ill block him again because hes just not going to grow up as hard as i try


thank you

[Woodman]

Notacon and Cali take your passing match offline it's polluting the forum

and the pissing match as well. :cheers: :gobills:

[Woodman]

Ive tried messaging him to get this figured out but it lead no where. Its just annoying. ill block him again because he's just not going to grow up as hard as i try


thank you

For now that's seems the prudent move. :cheers: :gobills:

We are all Bills fans .... :scratch: almost all anyway :biggrin:

Watching life below zero ......damn it's not for me, but it's pretty cool.

[Woodman]

Exactly. There are eight members of the D-Line. Almost completely reworked and the addition of Von Miller makes all the other players more effective.

Von is working out prettay prettay prettay good for us :biggrin:

[Cali512]

Von is working out prettay prettay prettay good for us :biggrin:

I respect your positivity. I need to be more like that. This pissing match isnt good for my mental health. I just cant stand ignorance the lack of the ability to actually have a discussion without insults and passive aggressiveness. Ill work on it

[Woodman]

I respect your positivity. I need to be more like that. This pissing match isnt good for my mental health. I just cant stand ignorance the lack of the ability to actually have a discussion without insults and passive aggressiveness. Ill work on it

We all put up with Opi so anything is possible. :gobills:

Woodman :hi5: Opi. :cheers:

I'm rooting for every Buffalo Bill ..... that's what fans do.

Keep telling like it is! :cheers:

[notacon]

Ive tried messaging him to get this figured out but it lead no where. Its just annoying. ill block him again because hes just not going to grow up as hard as i try


thank you

You mean the childish self serving message you sent back in July 2021?!?!?!?!

The one where you actually said that.....


"I'm not interested in hearing what other GMs would do because you and I would've done a better job the past 20 years at evaluating talent.”


Since we now that you were only 28 years old last year, you are seriously saying that as an 8....9....10....etc. year old little boy that YOU "would've done a better job.....evaluating talent” than NFL GM's?!?!?!?

:lol:


No, your silly message was NOT, in any way, shape or form a good faith effort to "get this figured out”....it was simply a self-serving repeating of your mind set that YOU know more than professional NFL experts.


Please....stop embarrassing yourself and go whine to someone who cares.

[notacon]

Another incredibly stupid thing you wrote in the PM to me last year....in the lame and more stupid effort to discredit Pro Bowl honors, just because the one player you HATE with a passion, Tremaine Edmunds, was honored TWICE!!!....

"We've seen Tyrod and Reuben Brown make the pro bowl when we all know they shouldn't of.”

Tyrod Taylor had a very good year for the Bills in 2015. 242/380 (63.7%), 3,035 yards, 8.0 Avg yards per attempt (5th in the NFL), 20TD, only 6 INT (less than Tom Brady that year) and a 99.4 Passer Rating (7th in the NFL).

But, what’s REALLY bad is your attempt to **** on Reuben Brown.

Not only did Brown make the Pro Bowl...he made it NINE TIMES. And was honored with 2nd team All-Pro FOUR times.

Plus he is on the list of 129 “modern” players that are being considered for the HOF. And YOU, self professed MR. BIG FOOTBALL BRAIN thinks that Rueben Brown DID NOT DESERVE his multiple Pro Bowl honors?!?!?!?


How ****ing obscenely ignorant.

He may not make the HOF, but your ****ting on him just shows how you know MUCH less about football than your overblown ego makes you think you do.

[Woodman]

Phillips gets the week off get back soon big guy we need you.

[Cali512]

Heres the full message i sent to him



I'll stop calling you notabrain and stop calling you out. I just have an issue with posters that always defer to other information to prove their point. As a long time bills fan, I'm not interested in hearing what other GMs would do because you and I would've done a better job the past 20 years at evaluating talent. We've seen Tyrod and Reuben Brown make the pro bowl when we all know they shouldn't of. I just really would like you to back up your takes with actual things you see with your own eyes. Tell me why Edmunds is good based on him, not what someone said about him. Tell me why our team would be good without Allen, and what Barkely would've done.


I desperately want to hear YOUR opinions and what YOU see, not other people's opinions to support what you think.

That's all. No hard feelings, your a smart guy, you don't need to defer

[Cali512]

But yeah, im done, he just proved exactly what im talking about. Ill take the high road

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OMG CALI AND NOTACON STFU!

[Cali512]

OMG CALI AND NOTACON STFU!


Dude im not the problem. I blocked him and just posted the actual message to prove that i have actually tried getting this figured out. Regardless this is my post. I just wanted to prove that i actually have tried to handle this personally. like i said, im done with this. Theres no way of having a mature conversation with him and ive given up


Im not falling into the trap anymore. Im done

[Woodman]

Peace Out!

:gobills:

[Mace]

The best IM I ever got was a link to footage of Yardrat walking around in a fierce wind, his glorious head of hair not moving, even a wisp. It was fascinating. To keep it on topic, it was from some guy claiming to be Jordan Phillips.

My second best was from Sukie, telling me how you can reliably secure your wig in rough weather but with wisps so Jordan Phillips doesn't send any footage to Yardrat. Phillips is a prankster.

[YardRat]

Well, not to be a name-dropper, but I do know a guy named Jordan, and Phillip.

[Cali512]

Well, not to be a name-dropper, but I do know a guy named Jordan, and Phillip.

Can they merge together and play DT?

[notacon]

Dude im not the problem. I blocked him and just posted the actual message to prove that i have actually tried getting this figured out. Regardless this is my post. I just wanted to prove that i actually have tried to handle this personally. like i said, im done with this. Theres no way of having a mature conversation with him and ive given up


Im not falling into the trap anymore. Im done
Yes, you are. Just stop trying to promote the idea that you are some kind of football expert and brainiac.

Your insipid posts show exactly the opposite. You have much, much, much less football knowledge and judgement that you think you do.

[Woodman]

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[Cali512]

Im really worried about this game. I cant see 2 practice squad players being able to do phillips and Oliver could. Daquon and Settle are very solid but idk if brewer and bryant will make up for the slack

Our run defense may be okay but i hope we still have an interior pass rusher

[Mace]

Im really worried about this game. I cant see 2 practice squad players being able to do phillips and Oliver could. Daquon and Settle are very solid but idk if brewer and bryant will make up for the slack

Our run defense may be okay but i hope we still have an interior pass rusher

It will likely come down to our offense piledriving them more than they can slice us. They can do it. We'll get sliced some, but at this point I'm thinking something like 38-30, Bills with a big game from Von Miller.

[Woodman]

Im really worried about this game. I cant see 2 practice squad players being able to do phillips and Oliver could. Daquon and Settle are very solid but idk if brewer and bryant will make up for the slack

Our run defense may be okay but i hope we still have an interior pass rusher

We are about to find out ..... actually pretty important to find out sooner rather than later. JMO

[notacon]

I’m not worried about the D-line and the pass rush at all.

Brewer and Bryant showed us last week that they were able to hold their own. And Frazier showed us some of his adaptability when he used both Rousseau and Basham on the inside. Rousseau got one of his sacks when he lined up as a DT.

All three youngsters, Epenesa, Basham and Rousseau have upped their game and are plying extremely well. DaQuan Jones has shown himself to be one of the best defensive players for the Bills in the first two games.

None of the Bills four DE are injured in any way and I expect Von Miller, Epenesa, Rousseau and Basham to have great games and make Tua’s life miserable. All Brewer and Bryant have to do is not suck when they give the other players a breather.

The Bills depth and rotation of D-line (with support from Milano and Edmunds who have started the season on fire) will help diminish the secondary’s injuries.

[Cali512]

Yeah. WE NEED PHILLIPS dumbasses


0 interior pressure and they are doing whatever they want up the middle


learn some god damn football, Von-Phillips are the 2 most important pieces of our passrush, and phillips is the most important piece to our run defense. Im done, if you cant see this then your beyond dumb

[Novacane]

Why the need for such a nasty post? Of course we need Phillips.

- - - Updated - - -


Yeah. WE NEED PHILLIPS dumbasses


0 interior pressure and they are doing whatever they want up the middle


learn some god damn football, Von-Phillips are the 2 most important pieces of our passrush, and phillips is the most important piece to our run defense. Im done, if you cant see this then your beyond dumb

:rolleyes:

[notacon]

No one said “we don’t need Phillips”.

The D-line played very well today. Jesus. The Fins had a paltry 41 yard rushing. They only had 171 net yards passing. If not for just two long passes to Waddle it would have been an even worse passing day.

Josh Allen handed them a TD with the fumble, and short hopped a sure go-ahead TD. Bass uncharacteristically missed a “gimme” FG....only 5 yards longer than an extra point.

The defense, despite having to dip down into the third string, had a very good day. The offense **** the bed way too many times.

Cali’s slobbering all over Phillips is just way over the top. So many of his posts show that he knows a lot less about football than he thinks he does.