I'd love this trade Boomer suggested

[ghz in pittsburgh]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/28/saquon-barkley-trade-rumors-bills-giants-boomer-esiason-prediction

Will Schoen and Daboll do the Bills that favor (not asking for day 1 or day 2 picks)?

Imagine you swap out Moss for Barkley, Heck I'd even do it for Singletary or James. That Moss 40 yard run in Miami? I'm pretty sure Barkley would score on that play.

Normally I'd like trading for a running back you are not going to keep. But if we are all in for a superbowl run, Barkley in this offense is much more effective than having OBJ.

[Forward_Lateral]

There's no way they trade Barkley for anything less than a 1st round pick.

[YardRat]

They aren't getting a first unless an extension/re-structure is already in place before pulling the trigger.

[kgun12]

With the early success the Giants are having in rebuilding why would they trade Barkley? If they did they would definitely want at the very least a second round pick but more the likely they would want a 1st.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Probably is a pipe dream. Barkley is in his last year of the rookie deal (drafted in the same year as Allen). So appear to be in his prime right NOW.

[Albany,n.y.]

Any Bills fan would love a Barkley trade. If at the trade deadline the Giants don't feel they'll be re-signing Barkley, and they don't think they have a playoff shot, they might be ready to settle for a 2nd & 3rd just like Denver got from LAR for Von Miller.

Anything less than a 2 & 3 is a ridiculous fantasy. Trading one of RBs for Barkley is laughable.

[sukie]

Edmunds for Barkley

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Edmunds for Barkley

I was down on edmunds but I think he’s played well this year so far. Maybe he’s figuring it out ?

[Mace]

Giants are top 5 in salary cap space for 2023 with near 60 million available, franchise tag for an RB is around 10.2 million. I don't think he's going anywhere.

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I was down on edmunds but I think he’s played well this year so far. Maybe he’s figuring it out ?

Better DL in front of him, imho. He has less to worry about.

[Canadian'eh!]

Edmunds for Barkley

I'd be ok with that before the season. But at this point it creates a much bigger hole than Barkley would fill.

Not a fan of Edmunds, but we don't have a better option on the team at the moment

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Any Bills fan would love a Barkley trade. If at the trade deadline the Giants don't feel they'll be re-signing Barkley, and they don't think they have a playoff shot, they might be ready to settle for a 2nd & 3rd just like Denver got from LAR for Von Miller.

Anything less than a 2 & 3 is a ridiculous fantasy. Trading one of RBs for Barkley is laughable.

Of course it's not going to be any one (or combination) of our running backs straight for Barkley. Any trade will probably involve a RB + picks.

[Albany,n.y.]

Of course it's not going to be any one (or combination) of our running backs straight for Barkley. Any trade will probably involve a RB + picks.

Any trade including any of the Bills RBs is laughable. The Giants would want a 2 & 3, not Singletary who has as much time left on his contract as Barkley, or Moss, who hasn't shown enough to have any significant trade value. The only RB the Giants would even consider is Cook on his rookie contract & then next season the Bills have no RBs at all.

The whole idea of the Bills being able to get Barkley is pretty ridiculous to begin with. Esiason should be ashamed of himself for starting the conversation.

[sukie]

I'd be ok with that before the season. But at this point it creates a much bigger hole than Barkley would fill.

Not a fan of Edmunds, but we don't have a better option on the team at the moment

just looking to get something for edmunds aside from a thank you card when he gets overpaid by someone else.

[Mace]

just looking to get something for edmunds aside from a thank you card when he gets overpaid by someone else.

I'm not.

[Ingtar33]

i don't see why the giants would trade him, he's their whole offense, and a new QB will need a RB to help him out.

[TheConsigliere]

Old News.

The Family talked about this before the draft.

[Night Train]

I was down on edmunds but I think he’s played well this year so far. Maybe he’s figuring it out ? Dane Jackson disagrees.

[DraftBoy]

I agree Edmunds is playing at a higher level and I think a big part of that is that he’s able to stay clearer in the wash now thanks to the IDL adds Beane made. He’s attacking downhill more and showing more of that speed and athleticism that many of us thought he could bring when he was drafted.

It’s also not just Edmunds, Milano is playing better too.

[swiper]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/09/28/saquon-barkley-trade-rumors-bills-giants-boomer-esiason-prediction

Will Schoen and Daboll do the Bills that favor (not asking for day 1 or day 2 picks)?

Imagine you swap out Moss for Barkley, Heck I'd even do it for Singletary or James. That Moss 40 yard run in Miami? I'm pretty sure Barkley would score on that play.

Normally I'd like trading for a running back you are not going to keep. But if we are all in for a superbowl run, Barkley in this offense is much more effective than having OBJ.

Barkley had an excellent game against the Cowboys on Monday night. He played so well that it prompted the announcer to say that Barkley is finally back to full health after he ripped off that 36 yard TD run. And nobody in their right mind is going to trade for Moss. And Daboll knows him (and his limitations) better than anyone.

[Forward_Lateral]

I agree Edmunds is playing at a higher level and I think a big part of that is that he’s able to stay clearer in the wash now thanks to the IDL adds Beane made. He’s attacking downhill more and showing more of that speed and athleticism that many of us thought he could bring when he was drafted.

It’s also not just Edmunds, Milano is playing better too.

Milano is playing out of this world. I agree with Edmunds too. He seems to be playing downhill and not as hesitant as he's been. Hopefully he continues it, because they really need him and Milano to keep playing well

[YardRat]

I agree Edmunds is playing at a higher level and I think a big part of that is that he’s able to stay clearer in the wash now thanks to the IDL adds Beane made. He’s attacking downhill more and showing more of that speed and athleticism that many of us thought he could bring when he was drafted.

It’s also not just Edmunds, Milano is playing better too.


Milano is playing out of this world. I agree with Edmunds too. He seems to be playing downhill and not as hesitant as he's been. Hopefully he continues it, because they really need him and Milano to keep playing well

Maybe the lesson here is you pay the dline, not the lbers.

[Forward_Lateral]

Maybe the lesson here is you pay the dline, not the lbers.

Well, it's always been the adage. A good D-line will prevent lineman from getting to the second level. The problem with Edmunds is, he will make a bunch of smart, great plays, then he will do something totally stupid like almost cripple his own teammate.

[Canadian'eh!]

just looking to get something for edmunds aside from a thank you card when he gets overpaid by someone else.

I get it. Could hit him with a tag and try to trade him that way.

But considering we are looking to make a super bowl run this year, and there's no viable replacement available, it's just not the right time. Maybe we could get a compensatory 3rd out of it too.

[Canadian'eh!]

https://streamable.com/p2yvfy

This is the type of play that drives me insane with Edmunds.

Overall he played ok in that Titans game. This is really the only play Henry made all day. But it shows why his instincts are so problematic at times.

There's a double team block up front. He's behind it. He needs to make a choice. Fill the hole inside (still a TD), fill it to the outside (chance to stop him).

But Edmunds does neither. He gets directly behind the DT and stays there, in the endzone, waiting to watch Henry celebrate or something.

A Good MLB fills one of those two holes. Maybe they pick wrong, but Edmunds was unblocked yet still absolutely useless.

He's done this constantly through his career. He doesn't like getting in the dirty areas, he's perfectly happy to let himself be blocked out of the play or hang back to join in the tackle late.

[notacon]

This thread should turn into another “let’s bash Edmunds” debacle. It’s really boring and stupid.

When I heard about Boomer’s trade idea, I took it as more fantasy musing than a realistic option. Putting aside the improbability (on so many fronts).....what Boomer is suggesting is something that many of us here, including myself, have been saying for at least the past two years.

The Bills need a more dynamic RB and improved running game. With someone like Barkley in the backfield with Allen, the Bills would be virtually unstoppable. The two high safety defense that is now common for defending the Bills (and other dynamic passing offenses) passing game would be made a liability.

Certainly, much of the reason why the Bills running game sucks most of the time is also on the O-line. Which did a terrible job against Miami, with the backups not up to the task, and the player that was supposed to bring experience and stability to the G position, Saffold, the biggest disappointment on the whole team.

Joe B. in his All-22 film review, details the reality (https://theathletic.com/3638288/2022/09/28/bills-all-22-film-review-dolphins/)....



The listless running game is so much more than the RBs’ fault

When reviewing the film, the first thing that stood out was just the sheer volume of dependency on quarterback Josh Allen (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/josh-allen-9zLTUSPpy6pFa4xs/). Of the 90 total plays run, Allen had direct involvement either as a passer, runner or getting sacked in 75 of them — and an unbelievable Allen-to-run ratio of 83 to 17 percent. And it’s not as though it’s a one-off. The Bills did away with their ground game up until garbage time in Week 2 against the Titans (https://theathletic.com/3619410/2022/09/22/bills-all-22-film-review-titans/), and the initial inclination is to blame the running backs. But when you analyze the full scope of the ground game against the Dolphins, Devin Singletary (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/devin-singletary-9Ps1MFRXoDMzHOvl/), Zack Moss and James Cook (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/james-cook-yynfZqHDAdhkOwK4/)really didn’t stand a chance.

The key focus is on yards before contact. The Bills had one breakout play when Moss busted off a 43-yard run where he was untouched until driven out of bounds. It’s a great run, but it’s like hosting a party and keeping everyone confined to one spotless room when the rest of the house is in complete shambles. On the other 13 carries combined, the three Bills running backs had a total of one yard before contact. That’s an average runway of 0.08 yards before contact per rush. The backs were set up to fail. To advance the point, here is a look at each of the 14 running plays involving the running backs and how they all broke down.



First quarter, 13:51 – Quintin Morris (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/quintin-morris-azkE0gERxeefhtGT/) and Dawson Knox (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/dawson-knox-FE6Y1HgdRshAoBXt/) both whiffed on pass rusher Melvin Ingram (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/melvin-ingram-6zZWd7c62gnowSmJ/) on a play that looked designed to head outside. It forced Devin Singletary inside and to make something out of nothing. Yards before contact: -3, Yards gained: -2




First quarter, 10:33 – From the Dolphins’ 5-yard line, this was one of the Bills’ better-blocked reps. Left guard Rodger Saffold and center Greg Van Roten (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/greg-van-roten-UI5YGnfcxMfWjHNC/) did a nice job to clear the lane, but right tackle Spencer Brown (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/spencer-brown-fKBZYSpL1uQKMlKd/) blew his block. That attracted right guard Ryan Bates’ attention enough for him to be a bit too slow getting to the second level and take up the LB, which would have sprung Singletary into the end zone. Yards before contact: 4, yards gained: 4




First quarter, 6:37 – A delayed handoff to Zack Moss and Bates went to trap the linebacker, but Bates lost his block immediately after Moss read the play and made his cut, and Moss was stuffed on the spot. Yards before contact: 1, yards gained: 1




First quarter, 6:04 – Moss took the handoff, but Van Roten’s assignment kept the blocker off his pads and filled a lane up the middle, which forced Moss to the left. Saffold’s assignment also didn’t contain his block and secured the tackle on Moss. Yards before contact: 0, yards gained: 1




First quarter, 0:49 – A Singletary wide left rush was sealed on the outside, but both Saffold and Van Roten were not quick enough to the spot and lost their blocks, which forced Singletary back inside. A more explosive runner may have been able to get to the edge for more yards, but it would have been tight. Yards before contact: 1, yards gained: 1




Third quarter, 12:56 – With their back to their end zone, Knox and Bates had an instant loss at the line of scrimmage, forcing Singletary to dodge two tacklers in the end zone. It was a marvelous escape. He somehow didn’t contact either player and salvaged the play for a gain. Yards before contact: 2, yards gained: 3




Third quarter, 10:19 – James Cook’s first attempt was designed as an outside rush to the right. Morris stumbled during his block and couldn’t secure the lane between him and receiver Gabe Davis (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/gabe-davis-r6EKVq5tIsdjEGad/), who had his block secured. Defenders were waiting to the outside, so Cook charged forward but was tackled by Morris’ missed assignment. Yards before contact: 2, yards gained: 3




Third quarter, 6:10 – Morris immediately lost his block and Singletary was tackled well into the backfield. Singletary managed to get a couple of yards back. Yards before contact: -4, yards gained -2




Third quarter, 0:43 – The Dolphins were in man-to-man coverage and expecting a pass off an RPO. Most of the defenders were taken to the left side of the formation, and Moss took the handoff right. Knox sealed his block and helped take out linebacker Elandon Roberts (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/elandon-roberts-aqUWIWvzC3EqsTka/), who was too far forward. Receiver Isaiah McKenzie (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/isaiah-mckenzie-Ug6rfZqY1ysBZxqo/) maintained a block on his cornerback, and Moss was out in open space. He made one defender miss and went into a full sprint down the sideline for a huge gain. Yards before contact: 43, yards gained: 43




Third quarter, 0:35 – Right tackle David Quessenberry (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/david-quessenberry-FFR6R4YjYVM7buSU/) whiffs on his block and right guard Tommy Doyle (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/tommy-doyle-VKDfd7yrXsGcHy8P/) couldn’t secure the linebacker on the second level and both defenders hit Moss deep in the backfield. Moss somehow managed to get positive yardage out of the play. Yards before contact: -3, yards gained: 1




Fourth quarter, 10:05 – The Bills’ second-best rush of the game. A pin-and-pull rush attempt, Quessenberry doesn’t pin his man adequately, but a pulling Doyle and Van Roten did a nice job. At the same time, Knox took out the linebacker and it freed up a rushing lane for Singletary. Yards before contact: 6, yards gained: 6




Fourth quarter, 7:16 – Saffold completely missed his block on defensive tackle Christian Wilkins (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/christian-wilkins-psIsc9oPT9O8qCjo/) for an instant loss and Singletary was tackled immediately after the handoff. Yards before contact: -3, yards gained: -2




Fourth quarter, 3:14 – Saffold whiffs on Wilkins, but Singletary reacts and ran to the opposite side of Wilkins’ win. Singletary salvaged four yards despite being tripped. Yards before contact: 1, yards gained: 4




Fourth quarter, 2:36 – Saffold was pushed into the backfield and fullback Reggie Gilliam (https://theathletic.com/nfl/player/reggie-gilliam-KI0qHPHbDNB2lgWr/) didn’t pick up the linebacker. Singletary had to sidestep Saffold in the backfield, which messed up the timing. Yards before contact: -2, yards gained: 1


Notice a trend? That leads us to our next takeaway.


OUCH!!!


Could a first class RB help mask an O-line deficiency?? Maybe. Maybe not. We see so many times how one special player effects other on his team.

[DraftBoy]

Maybe the lesson here is you pay the dline, not the lbers.

They are almost assuredly going to resign him. You may as well get over that fact now.

[kgun12]

If I said it once on this board I said it a 100 times. RB’s are a dime a dozen. If you have a good oline anyone can run the ball! Look at the good Denver teams, one back gets hurt the next guy jumps right in, didn’t matter who it was they produced!

[Night Train]

He's done this constantly through his career. He doesn't like getting in the dirty areas, he's perfectly happy to let himself be blocked out of the play or hang back to join in the tackle late.


London Fletcher 2.0.

[kgun12]

https://streamable.com/p2yvfy

This is the type of play that drives me insane with Edmunds.

Overall he played ok in that Titans game. This is really the only play Henry made all day. But it shows why his instincts are so problematic at times.

There's a double team block up front. He's behind it. He needs to make a choice. Fill the hole inside (still a TD), fill it to the outside (chance to stop him).

But Edmunds does neither. He gets directly behind the DT and stays there, in the endzone, waiting to watch Henry celebrate or something.

A Good MLB fills one of those two holes. Maybe they pick wrong, but Edmunds was unblocked yet still absolutely useless.

He's done this constantly through his career. He doesn't like getting in the dirty areas, he's perfectly happy to let himself be blocked out of the play or hang back to join in the tackle late.

This is the perfect description of Edmunds entire career! Goal line defense is about filling a gap. The sad part is he runs into the ass of his lineman more often than not does this no matter what part of the field the ball is.
When Edmunds makes a play, it’s more of the blind squirrel theory than good instincts.

[Canadian'eh!]

This is the perfect description of Edmunds entire career! Goal line defense is about filling a gap. The sad part is he runs into the ass of his lineman more often than not does this no matter what part of the field the ball is.
When Edmunds makes a play, it’s more of the blind squirrel theory than good instincts.
I could show several similar examples from last years games against Henry and Taylor. He dances behind the defender or engages the blocker instead of shooting a gap.

To his credit, when they sent him on a blitz last week he did well. He got the sack because he was unblocked. He then made a nice play in coverage. But even if "coverage" is he strength, the guy has 4 career Int's in 4+ years. Devin Llyod has played 3 NFL games and has 2.

However.... in that game he had 2 tackles(!) and one was the sack! I prefer my MLB to have more than 1 tackle. He had 5 against Miami, 3 solo and 2 assists.

[kgun12]

I could show several similar examples from last years games against Henry and Taylor. He dances behind the defender or engages the blocker instead of shooting a gap.

To his credit, when they sent him on a blitz last week he did well. He got the sack because he was unblocked. He then made a nice play in coverage. But even if "coverage" is he strength, the guy has 4 career Int's in 4+ years. Devin Llyod has played 3 NFL games and has 2.

However.... in that game he had 2 tackles(!) and one was the sack! I prefer my MLB to have more than 1 tackle. He had 5 against Miami, 3 solo and 2 assists.

Again, blind squirrel theory, lol!