Josh Allen

[Canadian'eh!]

Be better. Inexcusable. Looking like Matt Ryan

[kingJofNYC]

Been bad with the redzone ints.

Honestly, looking at the replay, Davis should have flatten down that dig route and crossed the DBs face. Instead he took it upfield.

[Novacane]

Josh and the team has their heads in their asses.

[Canadian'eh!]

Been bad with the redzone ints.

Honestly, looking at the replay, Davis should have flatten down that dig route and crossed the DBs face. Instead he took it upfield.
Yeah. I keep reading how every int Josh throws right to defenders are someone else’s fault. Incredible.

[YardRat]

Bad Josh is killing this team.

[kingJofNYC]

Yeah. I keep reading how every int Josh throws right to defenders are someone else’s fault. Incredible.

Listen my dude, I'm not excusing Josh. He's been brutal.

But the last one, the Vikings are playing Quarters. Inside Receiver runs inside breaker, Smith (safety) takes him inside, the goal is to isolate the WR (Davis) on Peterson, and they did that. But look where Josh throws the ball, he throws it flat inside, Davis took his route upfield. I'm not excusing Josh, he's the reason we went to OT to begin with, but I think if Davis cuts his route down the line its a TD and we win, or rather thats what Josh expected. I'm just reading the coverage, the route concept, Double in Breakers, and where Josh threw vs where Davis was. Pretty simple.

Excuses are worth ****, I'm just trying to understand the thought process and design vs the coverage called.

[Woodman]

Sometimes you gotta wonder what he sees.

[Historian]

Brutal.

MVP my ass.

[Canadian'eh!]

Listen my dude, I'm not excusing Josh. He's been brutal.

But the last one, the Vikings are playing Quarters. Inside Receiver runs inside breaker, Smith (safety) takes him inside, the goal is to isolate the WR (Davis) on Peterson, and they did that. But look where Josh throws the ball, he throws it flat inside, Davis took his route upfield. I'm not excusing Josh, he's the reason we went to OT to begin with, but I think if Davis cuts his route down the line its a TD and we win, or rather thats what Josh expected. I'm just reading the coverage, the route concept, Double in Breakers, and where Josh threw vs where Davis was. Pretty simple.

Excuses are worth ****, I'm just trying to understand the thought process and design vs the coverage called.
No. Absolute no.

don’t cut it loose. You’re the QB. Other guys don’t throw 4 redzone picks in 2 weeks, no matter what route is run.

These were absolutely brutal picks right on the defenders #’s. that’s inexcusable and it’s on Josh not to throw it. Period.

[sahlensguy]

Brutal.

MVP my ass.

He's easily the mvp.. of this team, because who else is making the difference?

[kingJofNYC]

Former Bill Bowen breaking it down. Just look how Davis takes it up field, he cuts that down the line better opportunity for Josh, he needs to Cross the DBs face and not allow him to undercut by taking the route upfield. Love modern technology.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a better look at the route concept…<br><br>The inside post (or over route) pulls the safety in Quarters technique. That gives you the 1-on-1 to target the outside post. <br><br>And Peterson undercuts the throw. <a href="https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1">https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1</a></p>&mdash; Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1591913138890604544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Canadian'eh!]

Stop making excuses.

[sukie]

Uh… Dorsey’s passing game plays kinda suck. Daboll sucked at game calling and was a trickster way too much but he had some plays. Double slants double crossing patterns,

all I see is Gabe and #3 deep with digs hooking or slanting. And a outlet or 2.

the D takes away deep and Diggs catches 800 passes. No creativity .

but continue to blame only Josh…

[Canadian'eh!]

Uh… Dorsey’s passing game plays kinda suck. Daboll sucked at game calling and was a trickster way too much but he had some plays. Double slants double crossing patterns,

all I see is Gabe and #3 deep with digs hooking or slanting. And a outlet or 2.

the D takes away deep and Diggs catches 800 passes. No creativity .

but continue to blame only Josh…

Hardly “only” Josh. But his turnovers warrant a big share

[Cali512]

Former Bill Bowen breaking it down. Just look how Davis takes it up field, he cuts that down the line better opportunity for Josh, he needs to Cross the DBs face and not allow him to undercut by taking the route upfield. Love modern technology.


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Davis didnt take it flat because 22 was in that zone, even though he followed Morris, at the moment of the time to break, 22 was in the area. just a bad decision. If he just dumped the ball off to singletary, we probably win
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[sukie]

If we don’t go endzone 2 times in a row from the 20 we don’t lose

[kingJofNYC]

Davis didnt take it flat because 22 was in that zone, even though he followed Morris, at the moment of the time to break, 22 was in the area. just a bad decision. If he just dumped the ball off to singletary, we probably win
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Listen the dump off is the easy play call, but 22 followed Morris plenty, Smith/22 wasn't going to do anything, I mean Peterson intercepted. I just feel like Davis did one thing and Allen threw it elsewhere. Davis ran like he expected that ball to the back of the endzone over everyone, but Allen threw it like he expected Davis to break it down and run it flat on the goal line and not let Peterson cross his face and undercut anything. Smith the safety had no shot either way, if he did he would have intercepted to begin with but he was out of the picture chasing Morris.

[kingJofNYC]

If we don’t go endzone 2 times in a row from the 20 we don’t lose

I'm with you on this actually, more so on the first play, didn't need to do that, set up 2nd and short is the goal, not taking a one on one jump ball to Knox.

[Borosai]

It's obviously not just Josh, but his mistakes have been huge. Game-losing plays. That's on him.

In addition:
McD - still looks like a rookie HC
Frazier - soft ass, bend but don't break defense... until it breaks, of course
Dorsey - feels like Daboll with the WTF game plan. He started the season off better, but lately we've seen lots of head scratchers (and along with Allen's execution, you have a real **** show).
Offensive line - defenders in the backfield all game
Defensive line - where's the pressure? Celebrating after finally getting some sacks, only to give up a 4th & 18 play. Sweet.
Defense - missing tackles, not knocking down the ball (they need to coach this every year?)

If the refs had reviewed the Davis catch, the Bills would've lost in regulation, so they deserved to lose this game. They sucked. Only a few individual good performances.

[swiper]

Uh… Dorsey’s passing game plays kinda suck. Daboll sucked at game calling and was a trickster way too much but he had some plays. Double slants double crossing patterns,

all I see is Gabe and #3 deep with digs hooking or slanting. And a outlet or 2.

the D takes away deep and Diggs catches 800 passes. No creativity .

but continue to blame only Josh…

You can blame the QB. You can blame the OC. I blame McDermott. He always walks in all these discussions. Who the hell doesn't take the 3 points on 4th and 2? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He's not a great coach.

[Discotrish]

You can blame the QB. You can blame the OC. I blame McDermott. He always walks in all these discussions. Who the hell doesn't take the 3 points on 4th and 2? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He's not a great coach.

I was upset about them not taking the three points. And then to not only give up the points but to turn it into a HUGE MISTAKE.

Ugh.

[sahlensguy]

You can blame the QB. You can blame the OC. I blame McDermott. He always walks in all these discussions. Who the hell doesn't take the 3 points on 4th and 2? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He's not a great coach.

Well, Kevin O'Connell for one...at the end of the first half. Take the points, dummies.

[Mace]

Offense was fine until the bye. What happened at the bye ? Offense couldn't finish today, but they rolled when they wanted to....until.....

McDermott needs to get a handle on this. Allen ? Will just say again, think he has something more wrong than his elbow.

[Woodman]

I was upset about them not taking the three points. And then to not only give up the points but to turn it into a HUGE MISTAKE.

Ugh.

Gotta take the points period go up 20.

[sahlensguy]

Offense was fine until the bye. What happened at the bye ? Offense couldn't finish today, but they rolled when they wanted to....until.....

McDermott needs to get a handle on this. Allen ? Will just say again, think he has something more wrong than his elbow.

McD taking a victory lap.

It's a long season with good teams trying to knock them down. He didn't stay focused.

[kingJofNYC]

Haven’t scored a TD in the second half since bye. Just not playing good smart football.

[sukie]

Offense was fine until the bye. What happened at the bye ? Offense couldn't finish today, but they rolled when they wanted to....until.....

McDermott needs to get a handle on this. Allen ? Will just say again, think he has something more wrong than his elbow.
A good OC can make Meh WRs look good with scheme.

[Woodman]

We are really missing Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde out for the season and today Kaiir Elam.

[sahlensguy]

Former Bill Bowen breaking it down. Just look how Davis takes it up field, he cuts that down the line better opportunity for Josh, he needs to Cross the DBs face and not allow him to undercut by taking the route upfield. Love modern technology.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a better look at the route concept…<br><br>The inside post (or over route) pulls the safety in Quarters technique. That gives you the 1-on-1 to target the outside post. <br><br>And Peterson undercuts the throw. <a href="https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1">https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1</a></p>&mdash; Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1591913138890604544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

CD Lamb just cost the Cowboys an int before halftime by doing the same thing.

[sukie]

You can blame the QB. You can blame the OC. I blame McDermott. He always walks in all these discussions. Who the hell doesn't take the 3 points on 4th and 2? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He's not a great coach.

They returned the favor nullifying the importance

[sahlensguy]

They returned the favor nullifying the importance

Two wrongs don't make a right. Stupid is as stupid does.

[TacklingDummy]

Former Bill Bowen breaking it down. Just look how Davis takes it up field, he cuts that down the line better opportunity for Josh, he needs to Cross the DBs face and not allow him to undercut by taking the route upfield. Love modern technology.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a better look at the route concept…<br><br>The inside post (or over route) pulls the safety in Quarters technique. That gives you the 1-on-1 to target the outside post. <br><br>And Peterson undercuts the throw. <a href="https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1">https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1</a></p>— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1591913138890604544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Motor was wide open.

[Canadian'eh!]

Bottom line: any QB with 4 redzone units in 2 weeks would be absolutely lambasted. Brady never did this. Rodgers never did. Mahomes wouldn’t.

blame the WRs all you want, it’s up to Allen not to throw that ball.

[DraftBoy]

Listen my dude, I'm not excusing Josh. He's been brutal.

But the last one, the Vikings are playing Quarters. Inside Receiver runs inside breaker, Smith (safety) takes him inside, the goal is to isolate the WR (Davis) on Peterson, and they did that. But look where Josh throws the ball, he throws it flat inside, Davis took his route upfield. I'm not excusing Josh, he's the reason we went to OT to begin with, but I think if Davis cuts his route down the line its a TD and we win, or rather thats what Josh expected. I'm just reading the coverage, the route concept, Double in Breakers, and where Josh threw vs where Davis was. Pretty simple.

Excuses are worth ****, I'm just trying to understand the thought process and design vs the coverage called.

You're not wrong in the analysis, but the decision to make the throw is still inexcusable. Peterson is all over Davis pre-break and doesn't have the separation ability of Diggs. You're forcing a throw into coverage and hoping Davis can beat a still top level CB Peterson one on one. It's a bad decision that got uglier due to an incorrect route. Allen has to come off that read and find Singletary in the flat who was so open he actually had a chance to score with the right side of the field running what looked like a dig and a post.

I think the play call there was very good from Dorsey because it gives you three clear options 1) Dig 2) Post 3) Check down, but Allen never came off the dig.

[DraftBoy]

Former Bill Bowen breaking it down. Just look how Davis takes it up field, he cuts that down the line better opportunity for Josh, he needs to Cross the DBs face and not allow him to undercut by taking the route upfield. Love modern technology.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a better look at the route concept…<br><br>The inside post (or over route) pulls the safety in Quarters technique. That gives you the 1-on-1 to target the outside post. <br><br>And Peterson undercuts the throw. <a href="https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1">https://t.co/9LIiIhazY1</a></p>— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1591913138890604544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This right here, when you watch it animated the entire defense vacates the right side of the field and there is literally nobody on Singletary. It's an easy first down and a possible touchdown if he throws the check down.

So frustrating to see him lock on and not come off his read.

[DraftBoy]

Bottom line: any QB with 4 redzone units in 2 weeks would be absolutely lambasted. Brady never did this. Rodgers never did. Mahomes wouldn’t.

blame the WRs all you want, it’s up to Allen not to throw that ball.

There is absolutely zero excuses for Allen. He's been horrific with his decision making. No way to spin it differently.

[Forward_Lateral]

Gabe ran the wrong route. OK. But, Singletary was wide open. There was no reason to throw it to the endzone, unless someone was uncovered. It was one of the dumbest throws Allen has ever made.

[TacklingDummy]

Josh would be MVP if Davis doesn't drop a TD vs Miami, if Davis doesn't drop that 75 yard bomb against the Jets, and if Knox doesn't drop the TD while being interfered vs the Vikings.

I read some where that 5 of Allen INTs came targeting Davis, 3 targeting Knox, and 0 targeting Diggs.

Josh isn't playing great but there is plenty of blame to go around.

Let's not even start with the Defense and injuries.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Josh would be MVP if Davis doesn't drop a TD vs Miami, if Davis doesn't drop that 75 yard bomb against the Jets, and if Knox doesn't drop the TD while being interfered vs the Vikings.

I read some where that 5 of Allen INTs came targeting Davis, 3 targeting Knox, and 0 targeting Diggs.

Josh isn't playing great but there is plenty of blame to go around.

Let's not even start with the Defense and injuries.
Josh needs to get on the same page as his other receivers, then. He's the QB.

Josh only started sliding out of the MVP conversation with his 3-game streak of throwing red-zone picks. Five of them! And all of them were bad decisions by him.

That throw to Davis was a really risky throw and he had to know it when he let it go. He's taking bad risks with his throws when it gets tough. It's hero ball but in a different form than the "roll-right-throw-to-the-deep-middle" hero ball he threw his first two years.

He needs to show Motor more love. Honestly, Motor could easily get 100 yards from scrimmage a game.

[Turf]

Gabe ran the wrong route. OK. But, Singletary was wide open. There was no reason to throw it to the endzone, unless someone was uncovered. It was one of the dumbest throws Allen has ever made.

Yes Singletary was wide open, Josh was playing hero ball again, and whether Gabe cut it deep instead of inside, the throw was behind Davis. If his throw split the defenders in the back of the endzone it's a TD. Josh is unfocused and needs to reign it in. And Dorsey needs to call better plays, and the arrogance of always going for it on 4th down can bite you in the ass.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Yes Singletary was wide open, Josh was playing hero ball again, and whether Gabe cut it deep instead of inside, the throw was behind Davis. If his throw split the defenders in the back of the endzone it's a TD. Josh is unfocused and needs to reign it in. And Dorsey needs to call better plays, and the arrogance of always going for it on 4th down can bite you in the ass.
Yup. Going for it on 4th down is fine when you have the momentum, and the offense is clicking. When the game is tight, and you have been getting outplayed, take the easy points to protect your lead.

All three losses could have been prevented by taking the three when the going was rough.

[Saratoga Slim]

You can blame the QB. You can blame the OC. I blame McDermott. He always walks in all these discussions. Who the hell doesn't take the 3 points on 4th and 2? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He's not a great coach.
He's a great culture builder, great leader, great talent developer. But totally agree that at this point I don't fully trust his decision making in tight spots.

[paladin warrior]

# 26 is wide open on the right side

[paladin warrior]

You can blame the QB. You can blame the OC. I blame McDermott. He always walks in all these discussions. Who the hell doesn't take the 3 points on 4th and 2? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He's not a great coach. 👍🏻

[Woodman]

# 26 is wide open on the right side

I wonder if he ever saw him :idunno:

[gochiefs]

it's simple fellas...

19608

[kingJofNYC]

This right here, when you watch it animated the entire defense vacates the right side of the field and there is literally nobody on Singletary. It's an easy first down and a possible touchdown if he throws the check down.

So frustrating to see him lock on and not come off his read.

Yeah, I agree with you. Even if Allen expected Davis to flatten down the route, still a high risk throw on 2nd down. You want to take that shot on 4th down fine, but on 2nd down dump it down to the back, get what you didn't on 1st and live to fight another day.

[OpIv37]

Yup. Going for it on 4th down is fine when you have the momentum, and the offense is clicking. When the game is tight, and you have been getting outplayed, take the easy points to protect your lead.

All three losses could have been prevented by taking the three when the going was rough.

I feel like our coaches have gotten really bad about selecting when they should and shouldn't be aggressive. They take the foot off the gas when we should be aggressive, and they pick bad times to go for it and take points off the board.

[imbondz]

I’m still in denial about the game. I refuse to read any news on it.

[sahlensguy]

I feel like our coaches have gotten really bad about selecting when they should and shouldn't be aggressive. They take the foot off the gas when we should be aggressive, and they pick bad times to go for it and take points off the board.

That's because McD has never been a button pusher. It's clap, clap, clap all the time. In good times and in bad. He's robotic and lacks a feel for the ebs and flows of the game. He doesnt know when it is the time to be aggressive.

He sure was mellow at the post game presser. He should have been throwing a fit for not playing up to expectations. But he "believes in them", so there's that, haha.

[Forward_Lateral]

what's maddening, is Josh was taking the underneath open stuff at the beginning of the season. Not sure why or what changed. It seems like the last 3-4 games he's been forcing a lot, when he doesn't have to.

[sahlensguy]

what's maddening, is Josh was taking the underneath open stuff at the beginning of the season. Not sure why or what changed. It seems like the last 3-4 games he's been forcing a lot, when he doesn't have to.

Who can Josh look up to, now that Daboll is gone?
Josh is a hero at heart. No one is here now to control that.

[Forward_Lateral]

Who can Josh look up to, now that Daboll is gone?
Josh is a hero at heart. No one is here now to control that.

The problem is, what do you do? For all the bad games he's had, he's had 4-5 good ones. Do they just live with it and hope he pulls himself out of it? Do they try to take away what makes him great? His ability to add lib and throw laser beams into tight windows?

I don't know what the answer is, to be honest. It's not mechanics, it's not accuracy. We've really never seen Josh throw this many blatantly bad INTs when the game is on the line in a long time, if ever. It's not like Defenses are tricking or disguising coverages either. He's just making throws that he shouldn't be making.

[swiper]

A good OC can make Meh WRs look good with scheme.

Chan Gailey made Scott Chandler look pretty good. I yearn to see Fitz to Chandler over the middle. WHY don't these Bills do that. It ALWAYS moved the sticks and then some.

[DraftBoy]

Who can Josh look up to, now that Daboll is gone?
Josh is a hero at heart. No one is here now to control that.

Why does Josh need to look up to somebody? He’s the leader of this team, right?

[Mace]

I’m still in denial about the game. I refuse to read any news on it.

For me it's like a car crash. If you walk past it you have to look.

[sahlensguy]

Why does Josh need to look up to somebody? He’s the leader of this team, right?

There is no checks and balances for Josh here. Without an offensive guru, Josh knows best, and we get Hero ball.

[DraftBoy]

There is no checks and balances for Josh here. Without an offensive guru, Josh knows best, and we get Hero ball.

Then I have many more questions about his ability to be the leader this team needs and a Super Bowl winning QB. Josh isn’t a rookie anymore, if he needs somebody to look up to then that’s concerning.

Now if it’s that he and Dorsey aren’t gelling then that’s a different issue all together that we can work through.

[Woodman]

The QB is the leader name a great starting QB that needed to look up to anybody.

Brady no
Rodgers certainly not
Mahomes no ... Reid never taught him what he can do.
_____________ .

[YardRat]

Who can Josh look up to, now that Daboll is gone?
Josh is a hero at heart. No one is here now to control that.

This is season 5 and he's a legitimate MVP candidate (or was)...he shouldn't be nor need to look up to anybody. Other's should be looking up to him.

[sahlensguy]

Then I have many more questions about his ability to be the leader this team needs and a Super Bowl winning QB. Josh isn’t a rookie anymore, if he needs somebody to look up to then that’s concerning.

Now if it’s that he and Dorsey aren’t gelling then that’s a different issue all together that we can work through.

Why? Brady had Bill Belichick. Mahommes has Reid. Manning - Dungy. Kelly - Levy and Marchibroda... etc etc

This isnt an indictment on Allen but has no one that is qualified. Daboll at least had the chops.

[YardRat]

There is no checks and balances for Josh here. Without an offensive guru, Josh knows best, and we get Hero ball.

This is season 5 and he's a legitimate MVP candidate (or was)...he should have developed his own internal checks and balances by now.

[sahlensguy]

This is season 5 and he's a legitimate MVP candidate (or was)...he shouldn't be nor need to look up to anybody. Other's should be looking up to him.

Josh's path to the NFL is unique. He came from no one but one giving him a chance. The path up to now his 5th year is just different than other great qbs who came to the nfl via traditional paths. Josh will always be unique, because he is. And that hero ball will always be ready to come out unless he has someone, anyone to look up to, who can reign it in. These coaches aren't it.

[TacklingDummy]

I've got no problem with hero ball. The past few (6 or so) interceptions had nothing to do with hero ball and more to do with just a ****ty passing decision.

[sahlensguy]

This is season 5 and he's a legitimate MVP candidate (or was)...he should have developed his own internal checks and balances by now.

Why. Are there other 5th year MVP candidate comps who do it with second rate coaches?

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I've got no problem with hero ball. The past few (6 or so) interceptions had nothing to do with hero ball and more to do with just a ****ty passing decision.

Not checking down to Singletary on the Davis int was hero ball.

[TacklingDummy]

Not checking down to Singletary on the Davis int was hero ball.
I disagree.

Every time Josh throws to a WR is now hero ball?

[sahlensguy]

I disagree.

Every time Josh throws to a WR is now hero ball?

Only when he starts forcing things when patience is needed.

[TacklingDummy]

Was it hero ball when Josh threw that awful Int. targeting Knox in the Jets game. Or the other horrible INT to Sauce in the Jets game?

Or were they just ****ty passes, maybe even wrong routes the receivers ran?

[Novacane]

The one against GB where he threw back across the field was hero ball. The rest have been bad decisions, bad passes, wrong routes.

[Novacane]

I view hero ball as a play that's over and he just flings it up hoping for the best.

[sahlensguy]

Was it hero ball when Josh threw that awful Int. targeting Knox in the Jets game. Or the other horrible INT to Sauce in the Jets game?

Or were they just ****ty passes, maybe even wrong routes the receivers ran?

Not just bad passes but bad decisions. He's trying to do too much.

[Ingtar33]

Was it hero ball when Josh threw that awful Int. targeting Knox in the Jets game. Or the other horrible INT to Sauce in the Jets game?

Or were they just ****ty passes, maybe even wrong routes the receivers ran?

the int to sauce actually was pretty easy to diagnose. For some reason Allen thought the jets were in man defense (I don't know why, the Jets play almost exclusively Quarters or cover 3, and occasionally man when they blitz), and Davis (I suppose) had an option route. Davis correctly diagnosed the coverage as quarters or maybe cover 2 (atleast from the brief look on the tv, that's what it looked like) and was trying to get up the sideline, Josh threw a slant, thinking it was man. sureal but there it is. I'm still not sure what josh thought he saw on that play because it looked like cover2 or quarters at the snap.

[Woodman]

I view hero ball as a play that's over and he just flings it up hoping for the best.
:cheers: That's exactly what it is.

[Woodman]

The one against GB where he threw back across the field was hero ball. The rest have been bad decisions, bad passes, wrong routes.

Perfect example and also a bad choice he gets the yahtzee on that one.

[Woodman]

the int to sauce actually was pretty easy to diagnose. For some reason Allen thought the jets were in man defense (I don't know why, the Jets play almost exclusively Quarters or cover 3, and occasionally man when they blitz), and Davis (I suppose) had an option route. Davis correctly diagnosed the coverage as quarters or maybe cover 2 (atleast from the brief look on the tv, that's what it looked like) and was trying to get up the sideline, Josh threw a slant, thinking it was man. sureal but there it is. I'm still not sure what josh thought he saw on that play because it looked like cover2 or quarters at the snap.

Definitely a terrible read by Josh.

[DraftBoy]

Why? Brady had Bill Belichick. Mahommes has Reid. Manning - Dungy. Kelly - Levy and Marchibroda... etc etc

This isnt an indictment on Allen but has no one that is qualified. Daboll at least had the chops.
If you think Brady, Mahomes, Manning, or Kelly looked up to those guys then I have a few things to share.

Maybe it’s the terminology you’re using, but I don’t see any of those relationships as one where the coach is being looked up to by the QB. It’s more about having a respect for their coaches and if Allen doesn’t have that with McDermott/Dorsey then I have a lot of questions about where we go from here.

[Forward_Lateral]

Then I have many more questions about his ability to be the leader this team needs and a Super Bowl winning QB. Josh isn’t a rookie anymore, if he needs somebody to look up to then that’s concerning.

Now if it’s that he and Dorsey aren’t gelling then that’s a different issue all together that we can work through.
You have to believe it's the latter. I mean, Josh has proven to be clutch time and time again, and choking in the final minutes isn't usually his forte. Heck throwing blatantly dumb INTs isn't his forte either.

I am willing to live with a turnover here or there because he's trying to do too much. It will happen with guys like Josh. Favre did it, Patrick does it. What I can't live with is forcing INTs in OT when it's 2nd down on the opponent's 20.

[sahlensguy]

If you think Brady, Mahomes, Manning, or Kelly looked up to those guys then I have a few things to share.

Maybe it’s the terminology you’re using, but I don’t see any of those relationships as one where the coach is being looked up to by the QB. It’s more about having a respect for their coaches and if Allen doesn’t have that with McDermott/Dorsey then I have a lot of questions about where we go from here.

I am probably not expressing the point well enough, but those guys mostly stuck to the plan. There has got to be a part in the back of Allen's head were he'll always question McD's 13 seconds, numerous cases of throwing the team under the bus, unwillingness to taking personal responsibility (at least publicly) and other squandered opportunities. And Dorsey is a 1st year guy without any of the pedigree that Daboll had.

Yeah Allen's coaches don't deserve the respect of the great coaches who led the teams with great qbs.