Von Miller out for year [Archive] - BillsZone.com

Dr. Lecter

12-07-2022, 04:14 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Von Miller had exploratory surgery yesterday and he had to have his ACL repaired and he's now been RULED OUT for the season, per <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> coach Sean McDermott.</p>— Matt Parrino (@MattParrino) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattParrino/status/1600538611946061825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Forward_Lateral

12-07-2022, 04:15 AM

Dang. Get healed up Von!

TacklingDummy

12-07-2022, 04:16 AM

Don't blink.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 04:21 AM

Happy we put him on IR earlier get it done and be ready full blast next year.

He can still help from the sideline etc. etc. etc.

OpIv37

12-07-2022, 04:23 AM

So, just to recap:

We lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs for a lot of reasons, but a big one was the lack of ability to pressure Mahomes.

We bring in Von Miller to pressure Mahomes.

Miller gets hurt, so if we face the Chiefs in the playoffs, we still won't be able to pressure Mahomes. Great.

Canadian'eh!

12-07-2022, 04:27 AM

So, just to recap:

We lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs for a lot of reasons, but a big one was the lack of ability to pressure Mahomes.

We bring in Von Miller to pressure Mahomes.

Miller gets hurt, so if we face the Chiefs in the playoffs, we still won't be able to pressure Mahomes. Great.
It’s a big hit, but I will say that Rousseau and Basham developing, Lawson and Philips returning.. they still are improved over last year. But none of them are on Von’s level.

God knows I’m asking a lot, but maybe they should look at the 2 Cincy games and try to scheme something similar instead of the exact same brain dead D that Mahomes picks apart.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 04:32 AM

So, just to recap:

We lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs for a lot of reasons, but a big one was the lack of ability to pressure Mahomes.

We bring in Von Miller to pressure Mahomes.

Miller gets hurt, so if we face the Chiefs in the playoffs, we still won't be able to pressure Mahomes. Great.

With or without Miller the Bills are better than the Chiefs.

They won the playoff on a pathetic defensive strategy.

That defense won't be used again and it wasn't when we beat them in KC this year.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 04:35 AM

It’s a big hit, but I will say that Rousseau and Basham developing, Lawson and Philips returning.. they still are improved over last year. But none of them are on Von’s level.

God knows I’m asking a lot, but maybe they should look at the 2 Cincy games and try to scheme something similar instead of the exact same brain dead D that Mahomes picks apart.
All we need to do is duplicate our game earlier this year when we beat em in KC.

This time if we need to we'll do it in front of our fans is the only difference.

MikeInRoch

12-07-2022, 04:37 AM

Anyone know if repairing the same ACL a second time brings greater risk of re-injury?

Woodman

12-07-2022, 04:45 AM

Anyone know if repairing the same ACL a second time brings greater risk of re-injury?

good question.

Night Train

12-07-2022, 04:55 AM

So, just to recap:

https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273c03d165b6380db1cbab691a4

gochiefs

12-07-2022, 04:56 AM

All we need to do is duplicate our game earlier this year when we beat em in KC.

YOU LITERALLY BEAT THE CHIEFS BECAUSE OF VON MILLER

You guys are done.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 04:57 AM

My son tore his PCL but it wasn’t completely torn. My understanding of repairing ACL, PCL or MCL’s is it’s still attach it will heal up. It was toward the end of the season so he was done. It took 8-10 weeks to heal. I guessing Von should be good to go for the start of the season?

Forward_Lateral

12-07-2022, 04:57 AM

Time for AJ and Greg to take it to the next level

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YOU LITERALLY BEAT THE CHIEFS BECAUSE OF VON MILLER

You guys are done.

Get lost troll

notacon

12-07-2022, 04:57 AM

Big loss. He’ll be back next year to help the Bills be the first team to win to consecutive SB’s since 2005.

Ed Oliver is developing into one of the best DL in the NFL. Rousseau is a fearsome rusher who is much better than last year. Epenesa and Basham are both coming along nicely. Lawson is enjoying a second lease on his career and Phillips is a solid addition.

With the Bills possessing the best LB tandems in the NFL and All-Pro Tre’ White getting up to speed, the Bills defense is better than last year even without Von Miller.

Night Train

12-07-2022, 04:57 AM

YOU LITERALLY BEAT THE CHIEFS BECAUSE OF VON MILLER
You guys are done.

KC vs. Cinci and Buffalo the last couple years .. 1-5

Woodman

12-07-2022, 04:58 AM

YOU LITERALLY BEAT THE CHIEFS BECAUSE OF VON MILLER

You guys are done.

We beat you at your house ..... :roflmao:

If one guy beat you you are worse off than I thought.

gochiefs

12-07-2022, 05:00 AM

We beat you at your house ..... :roflmao:

If one guy beat you you are worse off than I thought.

Chiefs were about to end the game before Von ruined us on third down.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:02 AM

KC vs. Cinci and Buffalo the last couple years .. 1-5

The only loss was the 13 second debacle which Cincinnati reminded them of the next week.

Some have short to no memory at all I guess.

So to put it in easy language for any Chief fan you won by accident and then **** your own bed again and again and yet again since that game.

ghz in pittsburgh

12-07-2022, 05:06 AM

#1 seed becomes just that more important.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:06 AM

Chiefs were about to end the game before Von ruined us on third down.

And if the 13 second bs didn't happen we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
Woulda shoulda coulda doesn't exist in football.

He got stopped because the other 10 defensive players forced him into his arms.

Learn the game.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:10 AM

#1 seed becomes just that more important.

Exactly you get the bye which is nice and it requires the gauntlet to be escaped before anybody gets to face you at home ..... pretty sweet indeed.

With one of our open spots we should claim the guy (DL) the Chiefs JUST waived.

Reid made a knee jerk decision I'd grab him.

POTLAND PSILBYLO

12-07-2022, 05:12 AM

So, just to recap:

We lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs for a lot of reasons, but a big one was the lack of ability to pressure Mahomes.

We bring in Von Miller to pressure Mahomes.

Miller gets hurt, so if we face the Chiefs in the playoffs, we still won't be able to pressure Mahomes. Great.

Nothing changes but personnel. People do not learn or improve. The Chiefs OL year over year does not change. There are no other factors, and each pass-rush attempt can be known in terms of its effectiveness based on these unchanging factors.

Buffalogic

12-07-2022, 05:13 AM

Thanksgiving hates our ACLs

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:14 AM

Oliver is developing into one of the best DL in the NFL. Rousseau is a fearsome rusher who is much better than last year. Epenesa and Basham are both coming along nicely. Lawson is enjoying a second lease on his career and Phillips is a solid addition.

With the Bills possessing the best LB tandems in the NFL and All-Pro Tre’ White getting up to speed, the Bills defense is better than last year even without Von Miller.

Of course it is. :cheers:

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:17 AM

Nothing changes but personnel. People do not learn or improve. The Chiefs OL year over year does not change. There are no other factors, and each pass-rush attempt can be known in terms of its effectiveness based on these unchanging factors.

Somebody gets it!

19638
You win a new pipe!

notacon

12-07-2022, 05:17 AM

BTW...the Von Miller injury, just like the Tre’ White injury last year was most likely caused by artificial turf.

Turf should be BANNED in the NFL.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:20 AM

BTW...the Von Miller injury, just like the Tre’ White injury last year was most likely caused by artificial turf.

Turf should be BANNED in the NFL.

:10: The stuff is ****!

Forward_Lateral

12-07-2022, 05:48 AM

BTW...the Von Miller injury, just like the Tre’ White injury last year was most likely caused by artificial turf.

Turf should be BANNED in the NFL.

Von's injury wasn't caused by turf. A player rolled up on his leg in the most awkward way. I doubt being on grass would've made a difference on that one.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 05:54 AM

Von's injury wasn't caused by turf. A player rolled up on his leg in the most awkward way. I doubt being on grass would've made a difference on that one.

I never noticed anybody rolling up on his leg must have missed it.

Turf still sucks and should be abolished.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 05:58 AM

BTW...the Von Miller injury, just like the Tre’ White injury last year was most likely caused by artificial turf.

Turf should be BANNED in the NFL.

I’m not a fan of turf but Forward said, he got rolled up on.

BTW, as you know my son tore his ACL 4 times. Two were on turf, two were on grass. Incidentally the first two were one each.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 06:02 AM

I never noticed anybody rolling up on his leg must have missed it.

Turf still sucks and should be abolished.

No sure this is going to work.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxTa_VbBoxg

It toward the end.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 06:17 AM

No sure this is going to work.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxTa_VbBoxg

It toward the end.
Yup saw it .... he was having a very good year for us.

Gotta take care of him and hope he can come back gangbusters.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 06:23 AM

Yup saw it .... he was having a very good year for us.

Gotta take care of him and hope he can come back gangbusters.

For sure.

Historian

12-07-2022, 06:27 AM

BTW...the Von Miller injury, just like the Tre’ White injury last year was most likely caused by artificial turf.

Turf should be BANNED in the NFL.

And they insist on putting it in every ****ing high school in the area.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 06:30 AM

https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d0000b273c03d165b6380db1cbab691a4

:rofl: You got it!

notacon

12-07-2022, 06:46 AM

I’m not a fan of turf but Forward said, he got rolled up on.

BTW, as you know my son tore his ACL 4 times. Two were on turf, two were on grass. Incidentally the first two were one each.

No sure this is going to work.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxTa_VbBoxg

It toward the end.

Nope. The injury is not because he was “rolled up on”.

The video you provided is quite clear. The reason he got injured was because his foot stuck on the turf.....then he was slightly stepped on. With grass, this does not happen.

This is the moment he got hurt....before being stepped on....

19639

notacon

12-07-2022, 06:47 AM

Von's injury wasn't caused by turf. A player rolled up on his leg in the most awkward way. I doubt being on grass would've made a difference on that one.

I disagree. Look at the video again and the picture I pulled from it. Players complain of this “stickiness’ ALL THE TIME.

With grass, there is some give. Turf has no “give”.

Of curse, it’s difficult to know for sure. You can't see inside his knee.

Players HATE turf with a passion.

Typ0

12-07-2022, 06:49 AM

I said in the other thread the only reason they put him on IR was because he was going to have surgery that day. Well, OK I was wrong it was the next day! But why bamboozle us so much? Exploratory surgery is BS he went down there to get his meniscus tear replaced and they found the ACL during the surgery and repaired it.

It is just disheartening that these people take to lying to the public just to manage 'what people think'. Quite honestly, that is not the way to go about it and a train-wreck. Thank you Mr. McDermott!

notacon

12-07-2022, 06:51 AM

Here was OBJ’s reaction to Von’s injury....

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Typ0

12-07-2022, 06:52 AM

Turf sucks and no one knows if the injury would have been different and/or avoided were the situation to have occurred on grass.

sukie

12-07-2022, 06:53 AM

Does that mean get rid of domes? Not all can roll turf in and out especially in winter

Woodman

12-07-2022, 06:56 AM

Turf sucks and no one knows if the injury would have been different and/or avoided were the situation to have occurred on grass.
Right no way to know.

notacon

12-07-2022, 07:10 AM

Does that mean get rid of domes? Not all can roll turf in and out especially in winter

Not necessarily. There are ways to maintain some kind of grass in a dome.

It would be expensive, but the NFL is rolling in billions of dollars.

If they banned domes, it would not bother me one bit.

notacon

12-07-2022, 07:14 AM

BTW....all grass needs to be maintained is water and light.

Daylight can easily be simulated artificially. There is a pretty substantial business for LED lighting for indoor marijuana growing.

It could be accomplished relatively easily.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 07:15 AM

Nope. The injury is not because he was “rolled up on”.

The video you provided is quite clear. The reason he got injured was because his foot stuck on the turf.....then he was slightly stepped on. With grass, this does not happen.

This is the moment he got hurt....before being stepped on....

19639

In that picture his foot is coming up. Either case like I said my son did four and none of them were during contact.

notacon

12-07-2022, 07:22 AM

In that picture his foot is coming up. Either case like I said my son did four and none of them were during contact.

Fair enough.

The fact is that players HATE turf with a passion. It is a bane to the sport.

Cntrygal

12-07-2022, 07:22 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Von’s not blinking. ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoBills?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoBills</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/S8l606gGG9">pic.twitter.com/S8l606gGG9</a></p>— Buffalo Bills (@BuffaloBills) <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1600559449286283264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Woodman

12-07-2022, 07:24 AM

BTW....all grass needs to be maintained is water and light.

Daylight can easily be simulated artificially. There is a pretty substantial business for LED lighting for indoor marijuana growing.

It could be accomplished relatively easily.

Yes it could it's not really a problem anymore.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 07:26 AM

Cntrygal

12-07-2022, 07:27 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bills GM Brandon Beane just met with the media to talk about what happened with Von Miller, from their optimism last week to his surgery yesterday and ultimately finding out about his ACL: <a href="https://t.co/byFkzedrri">pic.twitter.com/byFkzedrri</a></p>— Sal Capaccio �� (@SalSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/SalSports/status/1600574426692599834?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Woodman

12-07-2022, 07:30 AM

cookie G

12-07-2022, 07:33 AM

We will rally behind Boogie Basham and play good football.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 07:36 AM

We will rally behind Boogie Basham and play good football.

Who :roflmao:

:gobills:

TacklingDummy

12-07-2022, 07:45 AM

YOU LITERALLY BEAT THE CHIEFS BECAUSE OF VON MILLER

You guys are done.

Opi forgot to switch accounts.

Always knew he was a closet KC fan.

Forward_Lateral

12-07-2022, 08:13 AM

Not necessarily. There are ways to maintain some kind of grass in a dome.

It would be expensive, but the NFL is rolling in billions of dollars.

If they banned domes, it would not bother me one bit.

They won't ban domes.

If anything I could see domes being mandatory to level the playing field for gambling

Forward_Lateral

12-07-2022, 08:16 AM

Well, going by what Beane said "The doctor felt like it wasn't going to hold, and he needed to repair" sounds a bit more optimistic than an ACL tear. It sounds like wasn't actually completely torn?

I have no idea if that makes a difference in recovery or whatever, or if they actually replaced the ACL like they normally do, or if they did something else?

Cntrygal

12-07-2022, 08:18 AM

Well, going by what Beane said "The doctor felt like it wasn't going to hold, and he needed to repair" sounds a bit more optimistic than an ACL tear. It sounds like wasn't actually completely torn?

I have no idea if that makes a difference in recovery or whatever, or if they actually replaced the ACL like they normally do, or if they did something else?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"If everything goes well during the rehab process we think we'll have <a href="https://twitter.com/VonMiller?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VonMiller</a> back for most of 2023."<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoBills?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoBills</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a></p>— Buffalo Bills (@BuffaloBills) <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1600600256940544029?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Forward_Lateral

12-07-2022, 08:19 AM

Typ0

12-07-2022, 09:22 AM

Well, going by what Beane said "The doctor felt like it wasn't going to hold, and he needed to repair" sounds a bit more optimistic than an ACL tear. It sounds like wasn't actually completely torn?

I have no idea if that makes a difference in recovery or whatever, or if they actually replaced the ACL like they normally do, or if they did something else?

This makes quite a bit more sense. The timelines kinda don't make sense with all of this -- but there are plenty of parties that have to get onto the same page and conversations that have to take place that could describe the lack of movement on the surgery from the get go. Could even be evidence of learning done about some things.

YardRat

12-07-2022, 09:30 AM

I've had enough of Thanksgiving day games, **** you very much.

Mace

12-07-2022, 09:39 AM

Beane has gained a lot of gray hair, I notice.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 10:24 AM

I am SO tired of the Bills and the Sabres bad luck. So much so that maybe it was a blessing we lost the Braves and didn’t get a MLB ball team. The city of Buffalo MUST be built on the biggest Indian burial ground in the country!

Sorry, it’s been a tough couple of weeks and I’m tired of all the bad luck!

Typ0

12-07-2022, 11:01 AM

I am SO tired of the Bills and the Sabres bad luck. So much so that maybe it was a blessing we lost the Braves and didn’t get a MLB ball team. The city of Buffalo MUST be built on the biggest Indian burial ground in the country!

Sorry, it’s been a tough couple of weeks and I’m tired of all the bad luck!

Everyone has bad luck. Bad luck is annoying.

Mace

12-07-2022, 11:12 AM

I hate to say it, but you can't bank on a 33 year old FA taking you over the top in the 6th year of a program when you could have gone to a Super Bowl the previous year without him. I'm really sorry he's injured, look forward to having him back, but stuffing the roster with more theoretical talent just won't make up for the fact coaching needs to step up. They're trying to stuff more talent to make up for the coaching, imho, and that's inherently perilous with older fa's.

kgun12

12-07-2022, 11:22 AM

Everyone has bad luck. Bad luck is annoying.

I think what any Buffalo team has gone through is WAY passed annoying. Most of us are use go through every season waiting for failure to the point we can’t enjoy the good things during the season. OPi and Inbounds are as tormented with this team than most will admit. Annoying is the wrong word, it’ is way bigger than that.
I have lost all emotional attachment to the Bills, but the Miller injury news is a kick in my nuts, I can’t imagine what the rest of you are feeling!

Mace

12-07-2022, 11:33 AM

I think what any Buffalo team has gone through is WAY passed annoying. Most of us are use go through every season waiting for failure to the point we can’t enjoy the good things during the season. OPi and Inbounds are as tormented with this team than most will admit. Annoying is the wrong word, it’ is way bigger than that.
I have lost all emotional attachment to the Bills, but the Miller injury news is a kick in my nuts, I can’t imagine what the rest of you are feeling!

Yanno.....I think Beane is more capable of engineering a roster than McDermott will ever be in coaching it. There. I said it.

ParanoidAndroid

12-07-2022, 12:01 PM

Well, going by what Beane said "The doctor felt like it wasn't going to hold, and he needed to repair" sounds a bit more optimistic than an ACL tear. It sounds like wasn't actually completely torn?

I have no idea if that makes a difference in recovery or whatever, or if they actually replaced the ACL like they normally do, or if they did something else?
A complete tear would show up immediately with manual testing on the field. A significant but incomplete tear is normally easy to spot on imagery, like spotting one kid in a class of 30 if she's the only one raising her hand. This would clearly be a partial that was small enough to hide from an MRI. Anything more than a 10% tear is a no-go for a pro football player, especially if there is meniscus involvement. It creates an instability that puts the player at significant risk of a complete "terrible triad" injury. That would likely end Von's career as we know it.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 12:03 PM

Opi forgot to switch accounts.

Always knew he was a closet KC fan.

:rofl:

ParanoidAndroid

12-07-2022, 12:03 PM

I am SO tired of the Bills and the Sabres bad luck. So much so that maybe it was a blessing we lost the Braves and didn’t get a MLB ball team. The city of Buffalo MUST be built on the biggest Indian burial ground in the country!

Sorry, it’s been a tough couple of weeks and I’m tired of all the bad luck!
You know, I was slack jawed when things fell into place this weekend for the Bills to regain the #1 seed. We're never that lucky.

So, yeah. Got the kick in the nuts right quick.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 12:04 PM

I've had enough of Thanksgiving day games, **** you very much.

We may have become a fixture. :idunno:

Woodman

12-07-2022, 12:07 PM

You know, I was slack jawed when things fell into place this weekend for the Bills to regain the #1 seed. We're never that lucky.

So, yeah. Got the kick in the nuts right quick.
We're still all grabbing at the pouch with that unmistakeable swearing death laden scream.

What?

Sounded about right.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 12:12 PM

A complete tear would show up immediately with manual testing on the field. A significant but incomplete tear is normally easy to spot on imagery, like spotting one kid in a class of 30 if she's the only one raising her hand. This would clearly be a partial that was small enough to hide from an MRI. Anything more than a 10% tear is a no-go for a pro football player, especially if there is meniscus involvement. It creates an instability that puts the player at significant risk of a complete "terrible triad" injury. That would likely end Von's career as we know it.

It's out of our control now ..... his attitude is absolutely what it needs to be.

Don't feel sorry for me I'm gonna work my ass off is basically what he told his teammates.

He will still have an impact in that locker room and beyond if I had to guess.

Woodman

12-07-2022, 02:16 PM

Miller will spend the offseason rehabbing with the hope that he won’t miss much of 2023.
“We think if everything goes well with rehab, we’ll have him for most of 2023,” Beane said.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/07/brandon-beane-if-everything-goes-well-with-von-millers-rehab-well-have-him-for-most-of-2023/

imbondz

12-07-2022, 02:30 PM

We just can’t have nice things. That’s all it is. There’s no silver lining. We needed Miller in the playoffs.

Cntrygal

12-08-2022, 06:05 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"When I get back to Buffalo I'm gonna job shadow Brandon Beane.. any time that I have I'm gonna pour it back into football"<a href="https://twitter.com/VonMiller?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VonMiller</a> chats about his role with the Buffalo Bills for the rest of the season <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMSLive?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMSLive</a> <a href="https://t.co/SjPStEws3u">pic.twitter.com/SjPStEws3u</a></p>— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1600925411940044800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Typ0

12-08-2022, 06:38 AM

I hate to say it, but you can't bank on a 33 year old FA taking you over the top in the 6th year of a program when you could have gone to a Super Bowl the previous year without him. I'm really sorry he's injured, look forward to having him back, but stuffing the roster with more theoretical talent just won't make up for the fact coaching needs to step up. They're trying to stuff more talent to make up for the coaching, imho, and that's inherently perilous with older fa's.

I like the mentality Von Miller has brought to the team and think we will benefit from this while he rehabs. So it's not just an old guy they are counting on ...

Forward_Lateral

12-08-2022, 06:55 AM

A complete tear would show up immediately with manual testing on the field. A significant but incomplete tear is normally easy to spot on imagery, like spotting one kid in a class of 30 if she's the only one raising her hand. This would clearly be a partial that was small enough to hide from an MRI. Anything more than a 10% tear is a no-go for a pro football player, especially if there is meniscus involvement. It creates an instability that puts the player at significant risk of a complete "terrible triad" injury. That would likely end Von's career as we know it.

How do they "repair" it vs the usual drilling and screwing and replacing the entire ACL?

kgun12

12-08-2022, 06:55 AM

Well, going by what Beane said "The doctor felt like it wasn't going to hold, and he needed to repair" sounds a bit more optimistic than an ACL tear. It sounds like wasn't actually completely torn?

I have no idea if that makes a difference in recovery or whatever, or if they actually replaced the ACL like they normally do, or if they did something else?

This is what I said on page one of the thread:

“ My son tore his PCL but it wasn’t completely torn. My understanding of repairing ACL, PCL or MCL’s is it’s still attach it will heal up. It was toward the end of the season so he was done. It took 8-10 weeks to heal. I guessing Von should be good to go for the start of the season?”

kgun12

12-08-2022, 07:04 AM

How do they "repair" it vs the usual drilling and screwing and replacing the entire ACL?

No. When a ligament is completely torn the nerve endings die almost immediately and are unrepairable. If not completely torn you can sow them back together. No need for screws or drilling because it’s the original ligament.

I have a lot of experience with knees, between 2 sons, and myself, 4 completely torn ACL, 1 partially torn PCL and MCL.

Woodman

12-08-2022, 07:09 AM

This is what I said on page one of the thread:

“ My son tore his PCL but it wasn’t completely torn. My understanding of repairing ACL, PCL or MCL’s is it’s still attach it will heal up. It was toward the end of the season so he was done. It took 8-10 weeks to heal. I guessing Von should be good to go for the start of the season?”

The most optimistic I heard was ready to play for the majority of the season.

Good enough for me.

notacon

12-08-2022, 07:12 AM

I’m not a fan of turf but Forward said, he got rolled up on.

BTW, as you know my son tore his ACL 4 times. Two were on turf, two were on grass. Incidentally the first two were one each.

I’m curious. I assume your son is not that old. If he has suffered 4 ACL tears, isn’t that a pretty strong message to not play football???

Forward_Lateral

12-08-2022, 07:26 AM

No. When a ligament is completely torn the nerve endings die almost immediately and are unrepairable. If not completely torn you can sow them back together. No need for screws or drilling because it’s the original ligament.

I have a lot of experience with knees, between 2 sons, and myself, 4 completely torn ACL, 1 partially torn PCL and MCL.
Ah ok, so they likely just sewed it

Makes sense.

kgun12

12-08-2022, 07:36 AM

I’m curious. I assume your son is not that old. If he has suffered 4 ACL tears, isn’t that a pretty strong message to not play football???

He did them playing college football and the last one he did 3 games into the season. He play the rest of the season and playoffs with the torn ACL. He finished 2nd team All American. He is 35 years old now and followed me as an air traffic controller.

BTW, he was on scholarship and the school wants their money’s worth. Besides, I don’t think we could have stopped him from playing.

kgun12

12-08-2022, 07:40 AM

Ah ok, so they likely just sewed it

Makes sense.

Yes. In the case of my son that partially tore his PCL (a grade 2) they didn’t do surgery they let it heal on its own. However there’s a big difference between an average high school athlete and a pro football player.

I have read that now they are doing the surgery to repair them. Without the surgery they are finding that the ligament doesn’t always heal correctly.

notacon

12-09-2022, 05:01 AM

He did them playing college football and the last one he did 3 games into the season. He play the rest of the season and playoffs with the torn ACL. He finished 2nd team All American. He is 35 years old now and followed me as an air traffic controller.

BTW, he was on scholarship and the school wants their money’s worth. Besides, I don’t think we could have stopped him from playing.

Thanks for the clarification.

And my question was not suggesting that you even try to stop him from playing.

Good for him in getting such high honors. What an achievement. And I bet you are a proud parent. I’m certainly proud of my two daughters embarking on stellar careers.

Really, I am just curious on how so many injuries affects one’s decision to continue playing the sport that caused them. Hopefully, they do not affect his well being in years to come.

kgun12

12-09-2022, 06:28 AM

Thanks for the clarification.

And my question was not suggesting that you even try to stop him from playing.

Good for him in getting such high honors. What an achievement. And I bet you are a proud parent. I’m certainly proud of my two daughters embarking on stellar careers.

Really, I am just curious on how so many injuries affects one’s decision to continue playing the sport that caused them. Hopefully, they do not affect his well being in years to come.

He golfs and hunts, goes stream fishing, just an outdoor kind of guy. I’ve asked him if he has any problems with his knees and he says no. Hopefully when he get older he can say the same thing.

As far as continuing to play, I don’t think that was ever a thought. I think he came back for the first and forth one a little to soon but he loved the game and was really good.
He had 7 big school interested to include Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, and Duke along with 3 Ivy League schools. Once he committed the Albany the coach told us they didn’t think they had a shot at him. The reason he end up there is a long story. He didn’t get in any trouble or anything like that, the reason was silly but not worth getting into. BTW before he got hurt the first time, he was slotted to start at Albany as a freshman.

notacon

12-09-2022, 07:35 AM

He golfs and hunts, goes stream fishing, just an outdoor kind of guy. I’ve asked him if he has any problems with his knees and he says no. Hopefully when he get older he can say the same thing.

As far as continuing to play, I don’t think that was ever a thought. I think he came back for the first and forth one a little to soon but he loved the game and was really good.
He had 7 big school interested to include Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, and Duke along with 3 Ivy League schools. Once he committed the Albany the coach told us they didn’t think they had a shot at him. The reason he end up there is a long story. He didn’t get in any trouble or anything like that, the reason was silly but not worth getting into. BTW before he got hurt the first time, he was slotted to start at Albany as a freshman.
I never played a lot of football, certainly not at the level your son did, but in my younger years I enjoyed running, basketball, baseball, tennis and a lot of golf.

Had my first torn meniscus surgery at 53. The other knee for the same thing five years later at 58 years old. Knee issues later in life are quite common among those that are physically active.

In fact my doctor told me that he has patients that go in to get “trimmed up” all the time. ACL injuries are a totally different thing that you and your son know a lot more about than I do (and I appreciate your posts about it). Thankfully medical science is progressing all the time.

Years and years ago, in the 60’s, my mother had back surgery. I believe that she had some vertebrae fused. She was in the hospital for weeks. Laid up in bed for months. Used a back brace for well over a year.

Today, you can be in and out in a day or two to start therapy. My two knee surgeries were outpatient. Despite being under anesthesia, after I woke up I had to do three things and then I was released.

1. Eat and drink something (I had some toast and juice)
2. Walk (with crutches) to the bathroom.
3. Pee

Then...out you go!!!

I only had surgery once in my life before that....when I had my tonsils out when I was 4 or 5 years old. Funny story....the night before my surgery I had a phone interview to prep for anesthesia, and one of the questions was if I was ever under anesthesia and when.

I answered, “when I had my tonsils out around 1960” The nurse literally broke out in laughter and said “They were probably still using ether back then,,,,hahahaha”!!!

And I’m thinking....you mean they don’t anymore?!?! :D:

Von Miller has benefitted from advanced surgical procedures of today. This article in the Buffalo News gave some details (https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/von-miller-with-plans-to-play-for-many-years-surgery-was-route-that-i-had/article_621b9e80-7743-11ed-be1a-63ae70addebc.html)....

“On the MRI, the ACL wasn’t torn, so that was great news,” Miller said on the show. “But when we got ready to do the scope, the surgery, he (Dr. Cooper) told me that he was going to take a look at it, and if it was compromised, then we would address it. And I thought that was the best case. … I really wanted to make a decision that gave me the best chance to get back on the field this year, and then still look out for my long-term health as well.”

Miller said the decision would have been different if he planned on this being his last season in the NFL. But the 33-year-old pass rusher plans to keep playing for years, and the surgery would be required.

“He got in there and it didn’t look good, so we opted for the ACL revision,” Miller said.

Miller said his left other knee had to be operated on as well, so that his left patellar tendon could be used as a graft to reconstruct his right ACL. Because Miller had ACL surgery previously, after tearing his right ACL in 2013, his right patellar tendon had already been used, he said. Both knees were sore, but he’s already walking and bending his knees. Miller believes that advances in the medical field could help the recovery of his timeline, as compared to his last surgery.

“I should be able to recover faster. I should be ready to go in about 6 to 7 months. My golf swing could be back in 3-4 months,” Miller said. "It's nothing but work."

"I plan to play another four, five, six years, and so this is the route that I had to take to get there," he added.

Miller said post-surgery, before his anesthesia had worn off, he started calling General Manager Brandon Beane and asking to shadow Beane in his work, which could include a trip to the scouting combine.

Miller also hopes to prove to his Bills teammates that his positive thinking isn’t “just paying lip service.” And at the same time, he’s excited to see what the defensive line does on the field.

“As much as I want to be out there and help those guys, they are in good shape,” he said. “We’re not going to miss a beat. You saw in that Patriots game how they attacked the Patriots offensive line. … I’m excited to see these guys develop, and I’m excited to hand the reins over to these guys until I get back. We’re not going to miss a beat, man.”

more...

Amazingly, Von ran into OBJ at the doctors office....

Miller also shared a story about running into free agent wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. while he was in Dallas. Miller left an appointment with Cooper and ran into Beckham’s assistant in the lobby.
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“(Beckham’s) in the examining room right next to me,” Miller said. “So, I go in there, and I talk to OBJ like, ‘Man, I can’t get away from you. You’re here, man. It must be a sign: We’re supposed to be together.'”<o:p></o:p>

Looks like Von Miller want to do some coaching and assistant GM’ing while he’s recovering.

kgun12

12-09-2022, 09:44 AM

I know what you’re saying about technology, in 2001 my L5 fell off the spinal column. They fused it to the tailbone. I was in surgery 101/2 hours they had me up walking the next day. I was released the next day and they told me to walk as much as I could take. By day 5 I was up to a mile a week later I was doing 2 miles. I looked pretty funny with my walker and a brace from just below my neck to the crack of my a$$ but I was walking. I was talking to my uncle that had a 2 hour back surgery in the early 70’s and like your mom the had him laid up for over a month. I also have my C3, 4, and 5 fused.

notacon

12-10-2022, 05:07 AM

I know what you’re saying about technology, in 2001 my L5 fell off the spinal column. They fused it to the tailbone. I was in surgery 101/2 hours they had me up walking the next day. I was released the next day and they told me to walk as much as I could take. By day 5 I was up to a mile a week later I was doing 2 miles. I looked pretty funny with my walker and a brace from just below my neck to the crack of my a$$ but I was walking. I was talking to my uncle that had a 2 hour back surgery in the early 70’s and like your mom the had him laid up for over a month. I also have my C3, 4, and 5 fused.

Amazing.

My mom was miserable for well over a year....maybe closer to two. It was excruciating.

It’s like medical advancement is accelerating as time goes by....like one year in real time is equal to 10 years of medical advancement.

Less than 100 years ago (1928), penicillin was invented, although the “age of antibiotics” did not start until the 1940’s.

Exactly 100 years ago, insulin was first used to treat diabetes.

Life saving treatments that we take for granted did not even exist for my parents when they were young.

gr8slayer

12-10-2022, 10:08 PM

So, just to recap:

We lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs for a lot of reasons, but a big one was the lack of ability to pressure Mahomes.

We bring in Von Miller to pressure Mahomes.

Miller gets hurt, so if we face the Chiefs in the playoffs, we still won't be able to pressure Mahomes. Great.

If White was healthy last year, the Bills are in the SB.