We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

[Cali512]

The 2 that helped allen develop into the QB he is, came back while allen is struggling. Thats so big for us. 4 yrs ago we brought these 2 in, and it gave allen reliable receivers that he was able to trust. The familiarity is so vital and can definitely help allen feel more comfortable. Both were still reliable and still allens 2-3 favorite options last season. The fact that they both didnt catch on with other teams, and now are on our team for the playoff run is pretty big imo

They will fit too, but shakir may need to not dress

Diggs
Davis
Beasely
Mckenzie
Brown

Thats a very good receiving core if beasely and brown just play like they did last year.

[Mace]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

Beasley, sure. He's a rock of a short range target for the Tyrod Taylor passing game they need to use until Allen's elbow is ok, and even after.

Brown has not caught a pass since 2020, so I'm not sure what you're thinking there. It's a couple years later. He was with Denver, Jacksonville and Tampa Bay, now with Buffalo again and hasn't caught a ball yet.

[OpIv37]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

That’s a weird way of looking at retreads who couldn’t find a team this year.

I agree, they helped Allen develop into the QB he is, and they were so much better than the guys we had when we got them. I’ll always appreciate that.

But there’s a reason why no one else wanted them. They know Josh, they know our O, so maybe that will help. I just don’t have high hopes for them at this point.

[Ed]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

I'm not sure who you guys think they could have brought in at this point in December and been better fits. Who cares what they did or didn't do somewhere else. It's about what they've done and can contribute here. It's not like they're being asked to step in and replace an injured Diggs. They're currently role/depth players on the PS at a position where we only have 4 active healthy WRs. I think it's great that they're back.

A lot of people were saying similar things about bringing back Shaq Lawson and he's been an outstanding value signing. It doesn't matter that he wasn't a good fit with the Jets or Texans last year for whatever reason. He's the best version of himself as a Bill and that's all that matters here.

[Woodman]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

I'm not sure who you guys think they could have brought in at this point in December and been better fits. Who cares what they did or didn't do somewhere else. It's about what they've done and can contribute here. It's not like they're being asked to step in and replace an injured Diggs. They're currently role/depth players on the PS at a position where we only have 4 active healthy WRs. I think it's great that they're back.

A lot of people were saying similar things about bringing back Shaq Lawson and he's been an outstanding value signing. It doesn't matter that he wasn't a good fit with the Jets or Texans last year for whatever reason. He's the best version of himself as a Bill and that's all that matters here.

Excellent Post !!

[OpIv37]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

I'm not sure who you guys think they could have brought in at this point in December and been better fits. Who cares what they did or didn't do somewhere else. It's about what they've done and can contribute here. It's not like they're being asked to step in and replace an injured Diggs. They're currently role/depth players on the PS at a position where we only have 4 active healthy WRs. I think it's great that they're back.

A lot of people were saying similar things about bringing back Shaq Lawson and he's been an outstanding value signing. It doesn't matter that he wasn't a good fit with the Jets or Texans last year for whatever reason. He's the best version of himself as a Bill and that's all that matters here.

Well the Lawson situation is different. The entire league rejected Brown in 21 and 22 and Beasley in 22. Lawson was employed until we brought him back.

I’ll admit that Lawson has done better than I thought he would. And I do like that the FO isn’t happy with the status quo and they’re making moves to try to get us over the hump. I just don’t see how pulling older guys (by NFL standards) gives off the street in December is going to make enough of a difference.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

Hope they all get a ring this year and ride into the sunset.

Well deserved for the team and the fan base.

[Woodman]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

Hope they all get a ring this year and ride into the sunset.

Well deserved for the team and the fan base.

It's an exciting time to be a Bills fan ..... every team has its weaknesses.

We gotta stay healthy above all else.

We have the horses.

[notacon]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

That’s a weird way of looking at retreads who couldn’t find a team this year.

I agree, they helped Allen develop into the QB he is, and they were so much better than the guys we had when we got them. I’ll always appreciate that.

But there’s a reason why no one else wanted them. They know Josh, they know our O, so maybe that will help. I just don’t have high hopes for them at this point.

I was thinking the same thing, Opi. We are “so fortunate” that no other team thought they were good enough to have on their team???

Not exactly a glowing endorsement of their value.

The reality is that the Bills are down to only four WR’s. That’s not enough. With the ability to add new players after the trade deadline (which should be later than it is now) is extremely limited, these signings are almost desperation ones.

Crowder was suppose to split time with McKenzie and fill the Beasley role as to the vet who is better against the zone. Stevenson was supposed to occasionally fill the role of speedy downfield threat.

Crowder’s injury was a major blow. Stevenson was just not good enough. Kumerow’s injury hurt the team in both reserve WR and on special teams.

This situation has to be addressed in the off-season and the 2023 draft. Changes are coming to the Bills WR room.

[Mace]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

Well the Lawson situation is different. The entire league rejected Brown in 21 and 22 and Beasley in 22. Lawson was employed until we brought him back.

I’ll admit that Lawson has done better than I thought he would. And I do like that the FO isn’t happy with the status quo and they’re making moves to try to get us over the hump. I just don’t see how pulling older guys (by NFL standards) gives off the street in December is going to make enough of a difference.

I agree with you, but I can also agree with Ed making a valid point, which is a possibility at this stage. I'm fine with Beasley as a player, particularly adept in the slot and in the clutch, and while I'm dubious about Brown, there's still a chance he's the right guy in the right place at the right time.

I'm kind of less comfortable with the apparent concern that the Bills have been unable to build a better receiver corps in the last two years. Why are we not seeing more of Shakir ? They seem to want versatile linemen, but specialist wr's with singular skill sets (Beasley, Crowder, McKenzie = slot only, Brown is downfield only, Davis almost seems redzone only). Diggs is excluded because Diggs is Diggs and will do anything. Why don't they compensate ? Why aren't Hines, Cook, McKenzie blazing past deep safeties out there ? What's the problem with receivers catching routine throws ?

Oh I dunno. I guess wait and see what happens.

I still think it's been all about Allen's elbow anyway.

[OpIv37]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

I agree with you, but I can also agree with Ed making a valid point, which is a possibility at this stage. I'm fine with Beasley as a player, particularly adept in the slot and in the clutch, and while I'm dubious about Brown, there's still a chance he's the right guy in the right place at the right time.

I'm kind of less comfortable with the apparent concern that the Bills have been unable to build a better receiver corps in the last two years. Why are we not seeing more of Shakir ? They seem to want versatile linemen, but specialist wr's with singular skill sets (Beasley, Crowder, McKenzie = slot only, Brown is downfield only, Davis almost seems redzone only). Diggs is excluded because Diggs is Diggs and will do anything. Why don't they compensate ? Why aren't Hines, Cook, McKenzie blazing past deep safeties out there ? What's the problem with receivers catching routine throws ?

Oh I dunno. I guess wait and see what happens.

I still think it's been all about Allen's elbow anyway.

It’s concerning that Shakir isn’t getting more reps given the injuries and struggles of McKenzie and Davis. The coaches don’t trust him yet.

[Mace]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

It’s concerning that Shakir isn’t getting more reps given the injuries and struggles of McKenzie and Davis. The coaches don’t trust him yet.

Yeah. I'm not really comfortable with how they groom some of their young guys. They've defaulted to "that old vet" too many times trying to keep players in glass cases without realizing they aren't going to necessarily get better by watching vets do the job poorly, imho.

[notacon]

Re: We are so fortunate that beasely and Brown were available

It’s concerning that Shakir isn’t getting more reps given the injuries and struggles of McKenzie and Davis. The coaches don’t trust him yet.

The history of how McDermott coaches is that he does not trust almost any rookie.


We’ve seen it time and time again. Rookies (with few exceptions, like Tre’ White and Edmunds) do not get serous play time right off the bat, and they are slowly brought into game situations.

What none of us see is how young players are performing in practice. And we also don’t know if any player is doing what he is supposed to do on any given play. We really are in the dark.

Even in the he case of Gabe Davis’ second year, when it was clear that he was a dynamic playmaker, Sanders got the majority of snaps until late in the 2021 season. Sanders had 62.35% of offensive snap counts, while Gabe Davis had 47.66%.

Davis is up to 84.39% so far in 2022, even more than Diggs at 77.04%.

Shakir has 24.10% and McKenzie 51.47%.

Diggs operates out of the slot much more than most of us think. I remember seeing somewhere it was around 25% of his snaps.

BTW....Beasley had 57.68% of the snaps in 2021, 62.5% n 2020, and 68.19% in 2019.