So, if you want to feel down on us, look at cinci

[Cali512]

Bills beat Miami who were starting their 3rd string QB but still had weapons everywhere on offense

Cinci just barely beat Baltimore who was starting their backup QB who was coming off of an injury with no WRs, and couldnt throw the ball down the field. And basically won by one of the dumbest/weirdest plays ive ever seen

Cinci couldnt move the ball vs Baltimore and burrow has barely 400 yds and 2 tds in the last two games vs them



Allen has got to limit the turnovers but this is a very winnable game. Cinci isnt coming in as some powerhouse, Burrow didnt look great and their OL looks shaky as hell

Allen has 6 tds the last 2 weeks. Limit the turnovers and we should be fine

[Joe Fo Sho]

I assumed we weren't even going to play this game the way some of the super smart future predictors here have talked about it. Our lockers are probably cleared out for the year by now.

[YardRat]

1---Miami didn't have weapons everywhere else on offense, they rolled out a third string RB, their oline is a MASH unit and both Hill and Waddle were playing hurt.

2--Baltimore's defense is far different from Buffalo, it's not like we're going play the same scheme.

3--Burrow's oline this year is still better than last year's version, and they were just a few minutes away from winning it all. Our dline hasn't exactly been getting pressure the last month like they should against 'inferior' opponents on paper, either.

4--The game is absolutely winnable, Buffalo can beat anybody in the league if they ever clean up their mistakes on both sides of the ball.

[Night Train]

The last game is just that and doesn't apply to the next game, outside of injuries.

Watch film and change things up for the better.

We saw the game. I don't need some talking head on ESPN/NFLN to tell me anything.

Go Bills.

[swiper]

Bills beat Miami who were starting their 3rd string QB but still had weapons everywhere on offense

Cinci just barely beat Baltimore who was starting their backup QB who was coming off of an injury with no WRs, and couldnt throw the ball down the field. And basically won by one of the dumbest/weirdest plays ive ever seen

Cinci couldnt move the ball vs Baltimore and burrow has barely 400 yds and 2 tds in the last two games vs them



Allen has got to limit the turnovers but this is a very winnable game. Cinci isnt coming in as some powerhouse, Burrow didnt look great and their OL looks shaky as hell

Allen has 6 tds the last 2 weeks. Limit the turnovers and we should be fine

The Bengals had three starters out of their OL.

[swiper]

1---Miami didn't have weapons everywhere else on offense, they rolled out a third string RB, their oline is a MASH unit and both Hill and Waddle were playing hurt.

2--Baltimore's defense is far different from Buffalo, it's not like we're going play the same scheme.

3--Burrow's oline this year is still better than last year's version, and they were just a few minutes away from winning it all. Our dline hasn't exactly been getting pressure the last month like they should against 'inferior' opponents on paper, either.

4--The game is absolutely winnable, Buffalo can beat anybody in the league if they ever clean up their mistakes on both sides of the ball.

This will be the game they could use the emotional bump of having a Damar Hamlin sighting.

[Forward_Lateral]

1---Miami didn't have weapons everywhere else on offense, they rolled out a third string RB, their oline is a MASH unit and both Hill and Waddle were playing hurt.

2--Baltimore's defense is far different from Buffalo, it's not like we're going play the same scheme.

3--Burrow's oline this year is still better than last year's version, and they were just a few minutes away from winning it all. Our dline hasn't exactly been getting pressure the last month like they should against 'inferior' opponents on paper, either.

4--The game is absolutely winnable, Buffalo can beat anybody in the league if they ever clean up their mistakes on both sides of the ball.

1-- WHAT?? They have the best WR duo in the NFL. What are you smoking. Baltimore has zero weapons on offense.

2-- Not really. Both play zone. Both like to rush the passer with just 4. Again, not sure what you are talking about

3--Burrow's O-line is decimated. They lost their LT yesterday as well.

4-- A point we agree on.

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The Bengals had three starters out of their OL.
They'll have another out vs Buffalo.

[Cntrygal]

I assumed we weren't even going to play this game the way some of the super smart future predictors here have talked about it. Our lockers are probably cleared out for the year by now.

Holy Hell.

EVERYBODY... STOP with this **** in EVERY SINGLE THREAD.

[Forward_Lateral]

Holy Hell.

EVERYBODY... STOP with this **** in EVERY SINGLE THREAD.
Agreed.

[Historian]

After they lost Von Miller I figured the Bills would lose in the divisional round....again.

While Cincinnati hardly looks like world beaters, Burrow has played way better than Allen throughout their respective win streaks.

Bills 27
Bengals 31

[TacklingDummy]

After they lost Von Miller I figured the Bills would lose in the divisional round....again.

While Cincinnati hardly looks like world beaters, Burrow has played way better than Allen throughout their respective win streaks.

Bills 27
Bengals 31


Over the last 6 games Burrow has 13 TDs, 4 Ints., 1585 yards, 111 rushing yards, 1 Rushing TD. Allen has 15 TDs, 5 Ints., 1452 yards, 221 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs.

[Discotrish]

Over the last 6 games Burrow has 13 TDs, 4 Ints. 1 Rushing TD. Allen has 15 TDs, 5 Ints., 2 rushing TDs.

That extra INT tipped the balance into Burrow playing way better.

[TacklingDummy]

That extra INT tipped the balance into Burrow playing way better.

What about Allen’s extra 3 TD’s?

I don’t pay much attention to other teams but Josh’s teammates do him no favors.

Balls that should be caught go for INTs (Beasley)
Drops by Shakir yesterday on the bomb, Knox dropping TD, Singletary not even attempting to block causing Allen to get blindsided and fumbled. Some blame John Brown for the other INT. That’s just yesterday’s game. It’s been an issue all year.

I do like how Josh takes all the blame.

[Novacane]

Of course it's winnable. I'm just tired of our team not playing like they are capable of.

[Novacane]

What about Allen’s extra 3 TD’s?

I don’t pay much attention to other teams but Josh’s teammates do him no favors.

Balls that should be caught go for INTs (Beasley)
Drops by Shakir yesterday on the bomb, Knox dropping TD, Singletary not even attempting to block causing Allen to get blindsided and fumbled. Some blame John Brown for the other INT. That’s just yesterday’s game. It’s been an issue all year.



That was really the play that changed the whole game. If he can hold that we probably go up 24-3. There's no long punt return to set up a FG and no INT to set up their TD before halftime. We probably route them if Shakir makes that one freaking catch.

[Discotrish]

What about Allen’s extra 3 TD’s?

I don’t pay much attention to other teams but Josh’s teammates do him no favors.

Balls that should be caught go for INTs (Beasley)
Drops by Shakir yesterday on the bomb, Knox dropping TD, Singletary not even attempting to block causing Allen to get blindsided and fumbled. Some blame John Brown for the other INT. That’s just yesterday’s game. It’s been an issue all year.

I do like how Josh takes all the blame.

Nope, they don't count. Nor does his winning of games or showing resilience.

[Kenny]

Cinci got exposed with that running game - could only imagine if Lamar was playing last night, we'd be playing Jax this weekend.

And need to readup on the Cinci OL injuries. Will they be healthy for Sunday?

[Forward_Lateral]

Cinci got exposed with that running game - could only imagine if Lamar was playing last night, we'd be playing Jax this weekend.

And need to readup on the Cinci OL injuries. Will they be healthy for Sunday?
Doesn't look good.

Johnah Williams was on crutches after the game. His injury didn't look good.

[notacon]

Bills beat Miami who were starting their 3rd string QB but still had weapons everywhere on offense

Cinci just barely beat Baltimore who was starting their backup QB who was coming off of an injury with no WRs, and couldnt throw the ball down the field. And basically won by one of the dumbest/weirdest plays ive ever seen

Cinci couldnt move the ball vs Baltimore and burrow has barely 400 yds and 2 tds in the last two games vs them



Allen has got to limit the turnovers but this is a very winnable game. Cinci isnt coming in as some powerhouse, Burrow didnt look great and their OL looks shaky as hell

Allen has 6 tds the last 2 weeks. Limit the turnovers and we should be fine

+1


On the subject of turnovers....I posted this in another thread....


Last night on NFL Gameday Final, they presented this interesting graphic....

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Here is the data....



<tbody>
Current Win Streak, Including Playoffs










Burrow
Allen


W-L
9-0
8-0


Team PPG
28.4
29.9


Paass YPG
261.7
237.8


TD-INT
19-6
18-6

</tbody>

Why not any talk about Joe Burrow to “stop turning the ball over”???


And I posted this analysis too in response (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/262328-Wins-a-win?p=4997015&viewfull=1#post4997015) to Opi’s prediction that ....Cincy “smokes” the Bills and that the “Bengals will destroy” the Bills....

Watching the game last night, the Bengals performed much more poorly than the Bills. If not for a fumble and 98 yard return FLUKE (and it was a major fluke, just like Josh’s fumble for TD vs Minny, but the one last night was even MORE fluky), the Ravens would be up 24-17.

No one knows what happens then. Ja’Marr Chase was a non-factor (as compared to the expected) with only 9 catches for 84 yards and one TD. Poor for him. Tee Higgins was even more invisible.....4 catches for 37 yards. Terrible for him.

The Ravens have virtually NO pass game. Mark Andrews is it. Sammy Watkins showed why he can be considered a career bust and showed once again that the Bills trade up to draft him was one of the worst GM moves of the century.

And the Bengals barely won. Baltimore came so close to scoring the tying TD at the end.

Add in their almost total collapse vs NE where another fluky fumble saved their asses, and this team is more likely to **** up this Sunday than the Bills.

The Bills, on the other hand, faced up to adversity (and some very close misses on what is considered a “catch” or not) but never blinked. After Miami went up 24-20 with the fumble recovery, the Bills score the go ahead TD late in the 3rd quarter and never lost the lead.

The Bills scored AGAIN to go up 10 points and then, after the only long drive Miami had for a TD, with 11 minutes left in the game, to get within 3 points, took control of the game and allowed only two more Miami possessions where they gained 5 yards on 3 plays, and 30 yards on seven plays (not letting them get on our side of the field, turning the ball over on down with 2:22 left and then finishing off the game with a hard fought first down....when everyone on the planet knew they were going to run the ball.


Classic playoff winning football.


The Bills did not play their best game (special teams sucked with the terrible kickoff out of bonds and allowing a 50 yard punt return) and three turnovers by Josh....and still won the game.


Several receivers had very good games....Stefon Diggs, 7 catches for 114....Davis 6 for 113 with a TD....Shakir 3 for 51, Beasley (after a slow start with a treble bounce off his chest for INT) 2 big catches for 35 yards and one TD.

They will learn their lesson from this close call, and Josh will rise to the occasion this week and outplay Joe Burrow. The injury depleted O-Line of Cincy (that was not that great when they were at full strength) will be a big problem for Burrow.


As will their lack of ability to run the ball. Cincy’s rushing total the last five games.....

Wild card vs Baltimore - 51 yards
Week 18 vs Baltimore - 55 yards
Week 16 vs NE - 73 yards
Week 15 vs Tampa Bay - 53 yards
Week 14 vs Cleveland - 71 yards


Buffalo rushing totals the last five games....

Wild Card vs Miami - 107 yards
Week 18 vs NE - 90 yards
Week 16 vs Chicago - 254 yards
Week 15 vs Miami - 150 yards
Week 14 vs Jets - 102 yards

Bills beat Cincy in a close game. Probably by 3 points. Could be by a TD.

The LAST thing that will happen is that Cincy “smokes” the Bills, or the “Bengals will destroy” the Bills.

How incredibly obtuse and Mega Nega Fan bullcrap.

[notacon]

After they lost Von Miller I figured the Bills would lose in the divisional round....again.

While Cincinnati hardly looks like world beaters, Burrow has played way better than Allen throughout their respective win streaks.

Bills 27
Bengals 31
No, he hasn’t. Look at what I posted above.

[Discotrish]

Stop talking sense Nottie!

It will destroy OP's funk.

He's depressed because Superbowl champion Russell Wilson is not under center for us.


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[YardRat]

1-- WHAT?? They have the best WR duo in the NFL. What are you smoking. Baltimore has zero weapons on offense.

2-- Not really. Both play zone. Both like to rush the passer with just 4. Again, not sure what you are talking about

3--Burrow's O-line is decimated. They lost their LT yesterday as well.

4-- A point we agree on.

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They'll have another out vs Buffalo.

1---Hill and Waddle were both playing hurt. Sorry but those are facts. Waddle was dinged again during the game and missed more snaps.

2---Baltimore blitzes more, plays more man, and less cover 2/cover 3.

3---Their oline last season was decimated and sucked too.

4--:beers:

[Cali512]

Stop talking sense Nottie!

It will destroy OP's funk.

He's depressed because Superbowl champion Russell Wilson is not under center for us.


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Best case scenario for Op. We win, and a lot to ***** about


Win win (yes im continuing this narrative because its true and obvious)

[Mace]

Best case scenario for Op. We win, and a lot to ***** about


Win win (yes im continuing this narrative because its true and obvious)

It'll be true and obvious that all of us will be happy if we win, including Op. It will also be true and obvious some of us might not be oblivious and see issues, and we might want to mention them, because it's a message board where people talk about what they're thinking, and if you're thinking you saw issues, why would you not mention them unless you're a slave to what seems to be popular feeding people what they want to hear instead of what you think.

I'm not a slave trying to suck up to what's popular at the moment. Op isn't either.

[TigerJ]

Cincinnati could be missing three starting offensive linemen. Buffalo needs to take advantage of that.

[Night Train]

It will be a good game.


One growing practice on message boards is extremes in how one sees their team. Much like politics. Almost flawless vs. Hypocritical beyond reason.

The fact that it's probably somewhere in the middle due to a number of circumstances is buried by a unbending belief either way.

Then the opponent gets elevated to almost mythical proportions to continue the narrative.

It's op/ed salesmanship. We all do it.


It's just those who try to cement absolutes before the game is played set themselves up to look like fools.

Regardless of the outcome, they are still fools and have removed all doubt. No coming back from that.


The game is 3pm Sunday.

[OpIv37]

+1


On the subject of turnovers....I posted this in another thread....




And I posted this analysis too in response (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/262328-Wins-a-win?p=4997015&viewfull=1#post4997015) to Opi’s prediction that ....Cincy “smokes” the Bills and that the “Bengals will destroy” the Bills....

Watching the game last night, the Bengals performed much more poorly than the Bills. If not for a fumble and 98 yard return FLUKE (and it was a major fluke, just like Josh’s fumble for TD vs Minny, but the one last night was even MORE fluky), the Ravens would be up 24-17.

No one knows what happens then. Ja’Marr Chase was a non-factor (as compared to the expected) with only 9 catches for 84 yards and one TD. Poor for him. Tee Higgins was even more invisible.....4 catches for 37 yards. Terrible for him.

The Ravens have virtually NO pass game. Mark Andrews is it. Sammy Watkins showed why he can be considered a career bust and showed once again that the Bills trade up to draft him was one of the worst GM moves of the century.

And the Bengals barely won. Baltimore came so close to scoring the tying TD at the end.

Add in their almost total collapse vs NE where another fluky fumble saved their asses, and this team is more likely to **** up this Sunday than the Bills.

The Bills, on the other hand, faced up to adversity (and some very close misses on what is considered a “catch” or not) but never blinked. After Miami went up 24-20 with the fumble recovery, the Bills score the go ahead TD late in the 3rd quarter and never lost the lead.

The Bills scored AGAIN to go up 10 points and then, after the only long drive Miami had for a TD, with 11 minutes left in the game, to get within 3 points, took control of the game and allowed only two more Miami possessions where they gained 5 yards on 3 plays, and 30 yards on seven plays (not letting them get on our side of the field, turning the ball over on down with 2:22 left and then finishing off the game with a hard fought first down....when everyone on the planet knew they were going to run the ball.


Classic playoff winning football.


The Bills did not play their best game (special teams sucked with the terrible kickoff out of bonds and allowing a 50 yard punt return) and three turnovers by Josh....and still won the game.


Several receivers had very good games....Stefon Diggs, 7 catches for 114....Davis 6 for 113 with a TD....Shakir 3 for 51, Beasley (after a slow start with a treble bounce off his chest for INT) 2 big catches for 35 yards and one TD.

They will learn their lesson from this close call, and Josh will rise to the occasion this week and outplay Joe Burrow. The injury depleted O-Line of Cincy (that was not that great when they were at full strength) will be a big problem for Burrow.


As will their lack of ability to run the ball. Cincy’s rushing total the last five games.....

Wild card vs Baltimore - 51 yards
Week 18 vs Baltimore - 55 yards
Week 16 vs NE - 73 yards
Week 15 vs Tampa Bay - 53 yards
Week 14 vs Cleveland - 71 yards


Buffalo rushing totals the last five games....

Wild Card vs Miami - 107 yards
Week 18 vs NE - 90 yards
Week 16 vs Chicago - 254 yards
Week 15 vs Miami - 150 yards
Week 14 vs Jets - 102 yards

Bills beat Cincy in a close game. Probably by 3 points. Could be by a TD.

The LAST thing that will happen is that Cincy “smokes” the Bills, or the “Bengals will destroy” the Bills.

How incredibly obtuse and Mega Nega Fan bullcrap.

9 catches for 84 yards is a "non factor"? Please. If Diggs had the same stat line, would you say he was a "non-factor"? Somehow I doubt it.

You constantly accuse me of being biased, and to be fair, sometimes you're right, but you don't see your own insane biases in the opposite direction.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

9 catches for 84 yards is a "non factor"? Please. If Diggs had the same stat line, would you say he was a "non-factor"? Somehow I doubt it.

You constantly accuse me of being biased, and to be fair, sometimes you're right, but you don't see your own insane biases in the opposite direction.

it's somewhere in the middle

he was a basic non factor in the second half. he was very good in the first half

in fact, without that stupid over the top jump/fumble/return, the ravens essentially controlled that second half and would most certainly have won that game. Cincy was neutered for the most part in the second half.

[kgun12]

The way I see it out of all the teams let in both conferences, only the 49ers and the Eagles are playing well. None of the 4 teams left in the AFC are playing well and haven’t looked great the last couple of regular season games. I truly think the AFC is anybody’s to win right now. The NFC is probably SF or the Eagle’s.

[notacon]

9 catches for 84 yards is a "non factor"? Please. If Diggs had the same stat line, would you say he was a "non-factor"? Somehow I doubt it.

You constantly accuse me of being biased, and to be fair, sometimes you're right, but you don't see your own insane biases in the opposite direction.
Except you truncated my quote to misrepresent what I actually wrote. Leaving out what I wrote after the “non-factor” is dishonest to the hilt.

What I DID say was...."Ja’Marr Chase was a non-factor (as compared to the expected) with only 9 catches for 84 yards and one TD. Poor for him.

In all reality, I am doing exactly what you have been doing for several years. Comparing performance (but ONLY negatively toward the Bills) against YOUR EXPECTATION. And trashing it if it fails not meet YOUR subjective metric.


Ja’Marr Chase is a special, unique, elite WR. He did not meet that expectation in the wild card game. Realistic expectations of almost everyone.

[notacon]

The way I see it out of all the teams let in both conferences, only the 49ers and the Eagles are playing well. None of the 4 teams left in the AFC are playing well and haven’t looked great the last couple of regular season games. I truly think the AFC is anybody’s to win right now. The NFC is probably SF or the Eagle’s.

They are playing well within the inferior NFC conference.

Both the Eagles and 49ers have played against only ONE of the best teams in the AFC....Bills, KC & Cincy.

That was SanFran in week 7, and they got their asses handed to them 44-23.

It took SanFran OT to beat Las Vegas a short time ago with Stidham at QB in week 17. Then they played against one of the crappiest team in the NFL, Arizona with David Blough (who????) at QB.

Philly barely beat the Giants when they rested their best players with Webb at QB in week 18.

I guess “playing well” is subjective if the competition is taken into consideration.


Seattle and Tampa Bay (relatively) suck. If the Bills or Cincy played against either of those team in the wild card round, I suspect both would have beat their asses too.

[kgun12]

Notty I don’t disagree, I was just saying that people are so critical of the Bills and don’t see the flaws in the other team.

[notacon]

Notty I don’t disagree, I was just saying that people are so critical of the Bills and don’t see the flaws in the other team.
Yep. I got ya.

I was really just expanding on your thoughts. A reminder of exactly what you expressed perfectly...."that people are so critical of the Bills and don’t see the flaws in the other team”.

[Chet]

Some flaws are fixable, others aren’t. Will the Bills turn the ball over 3 times again? Despite how careless they’ve been with the ball all season, I’d venture to say they clean it up a little for the Cincy game.

With that said, you can’t fix coaching deficiencies. Every CS remaining in the playoffs is better (and more creative) than ours. Even the Cowboys, by virtue that they have Dan Quinn