2023 Roster Analysis

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86147

    2023 Roster Analysis

    Under Contract---37---(reserve/future)---13

    QB--Allen (Barkley)
    RB--Cook, Hines
    FB--Gilliam
    WR--Diggs, Davis, McKenzie,Shakir, Coulter (KS.Johnson, D.Patmon)
    TE--Knox, Morris (Z.Davidson)
    C--Morse
    G--Bates,
    OT--Dawkins, Doyle, Brown
    OL--(A.Anderson, G.Mancz, R.Van Demark)


    DT--Oliver, Jones, Settle (E.Ankou, C.Broughton, B.Bryant)
    DE--Miller, Rousseau, Epenesa, Basham, Vickers (K.Jonathon)
    LB--Milano, Bernard, Spector
    CB--White, Elam, TJohnson, Benford, Neal (J.Ingram, K.McMichael)
    S--Hyde, Hamlin, Mayden


    PK--Bass
    P--
    LS--Ferguson


    RFA---3

    LB--Dodsen
    CB--Jackson, Lewis

    UFA---21

    QB--Keenum
    RB--Singletary, TJones
    WR--Crowder, Kumerow
    TE--Sweeney
    G--Saffold, Van Roten, Boettger, Hart
    OT--Quissenbery, Murray

    DT--Phillips
    DE--Lawson
    LB--Edmunds, Matekevitch, Klein
    S--Poyer, Marlowe, Johnson

    P--Martin

    Projected salary cap (over/under)(per Spotrac)

    $226.7 million
    current contracts $247 million (minus $20,500,000...over)

    Draft picks--

    Rd 1 #27
    Rd 2 #59
    Rd 3 #91
    Rd 4 #128
    Rd 5 #135 (from Arizona)
    Rd 5 #160
    Last edited by YardRat; 01-30-2023, 02:45 PM.
    YardRat Wall of Fame
    #56 DARRYL TALLEY
    #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS
  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86147

    #2
    Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

    For reference only at the moment
    YardRat Wall of Fame
    #56 DARRYL TALLEY
    #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

    Comment

    • YardRat
      Well, lookie here...
      • Dec 2004
      • 86147

      #3
      Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

      OK, so away we go...

      Obviously nobody knows real numbers and everybody is just spit-balling the cap adjustments but I'll use figures that have already been speculated, mostly by spotrac.

      Restructure--

      --Josh Allen, salary to bonus, saves $21 million.
      --Naheim Hines, straight restructure or cut-and-re-sign, saves $2.4 million.
      --Mitch Morse, extension, saves $3 million.
      --Taron Johnson, salary to bonus, saves $4.2 million.
      --Micah Hyde, extension, saves $4.5 million.
      (total cap savings from above = $35.1 million, $14.6 under)

      I know Hines and Morse are popular projections for cuts for cap savings, but IMO A) Hines wasn't acquired at mid-season to only stay a half year and then be booted, he's already proven his value as a returner and he should be used more offensively with an off-season learning the playbook under his belt and B) Beane completely fubared the center and interior linebacker situations by not addressing them the last two off-seasons, there just isn't anybody adequate to replace Morse next year. If Mitch decides to retire due to health concerns I certainly wouldn't blame him but the o-line situation would become completely screwed instead of just mostly. He's a team leader, probably the only one in the oline room capable of being one, and just too valuable to cut loose.

      Trade--

      --Isaiah McKenzie for a 7th, saves $2.2 million.
      --AJ Epenesa for a 5th, saves $1.4 million.
      --Ed Oliver for a 3rd, saves $10.75 million.
      (total cap savings from above = $14.35 million, $28.95 million under)

      McKenzie and Epenesa are too easily replaceable and too underwhelming in production. Unfortunately we won't get much in return for either and quite honestly I'm betting a longshot that Daboll might be willing to give up a pick to add Isaiah to his WR room for a season. Really don't like the possibility of unloading Oliver, but objectively speaking he isn't that much higher on the disappointment scale than Edmunds and he probably has the best combination of return value and cap savings on the roster.

      Cut--

      --Tim Settle, saves $2.2 million
      (total cap savings = $2.2 million, $31.15 million under)

      His spot in the rotation can be easily replaced, for cheaper, with a rookie draft pick, UDFA, and give Bryant a legitimate shot at making the final 53 on the interior.

      Also, I've still got restructure flexibility with Dawkins ($6.15 million savings), Tre' White ($5.9 million), Milano ($6.6 million), Diggs( $5.6 million), and Von ($10.9 million) in my back pocket if I absolutely need it. Certainly some doable options, but in their cases it means kicking a lot of money into future years which just pushes the cap dilemma down the road.
      YardRat Wall of Fame
      #56 DARRYL TALLEY
      #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

      Comment

      • Mace
        Haha...yeah you think so ?
        • Mar 2013
        • 20315

        #4
        Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

        I had higher hopes for McKenzie, Epenesa, Settle and Oliver, but have to agree.

        Comment

        • YardRat
          Well, lookie here...
          • Dec 2004
          • 86147

          #5
          Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

          The rookie pool is expected to be ~ $7.3 million with a cap effect of ~ $2.8 million, if the team remains at the 6 picks they have currently.

          NFL draft resources including rookie contract estimates, compensatory pick projections, and draft order
          YardRat Wall of Fame
          #56 DARRYL TALLEY
          #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

          Comment

          • TacklingDummy
            Unreachable Douche
            • Jul 2002
            • 71725

            #6
            Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

            Rd 1 #27 Top WR or OL on board
            Rd 2 #59 Whichever 1 you didn’t pick in R1
            Rd 3 #91 DT or S
            Rd 4 #128 Whichever 1 you didn’t pick in R3
            Rd 5 #135 (from Arizona) LB
            Rd 5 #160 highest player left on board that plays either Secondary, Oline, or DT.

            Comment

            • Woodman
              Legendary Zoner
              • Apr 2014
              • 65891

              #7
              Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

              Originally posted by Mace View Post
              I had higher hopes for McKenzie, Epenesa, Settle and Oliver, but have to agree.
              Agree with this and I'd add Davis.

              “It breaks your heart when someone leaves and you don’t know why.”

              "It may be raining but there's a rainbow above you"


              Former President Donald Trump early Thursday touted the results of a new NPR/PBSNewsHour/Marist poll showing him ahead of President Joe Biden by 8 percentage points among independents.

              Comment

              • Woodman
                Legendary Zoner
                • Apr 2014
                • 65891

                #8
                Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                Originally posted by TacklingDummy View Post
                Rd 1 #27 Top WR or OL on board
                Rd 2 #59 Whichever 1 you didn’t pick in R1
                Rd 3 #91 DT or S
                Rd 4 #128 Whichever 1 you didn’t pick in R3
                Rd 5 #135 (from Arizona) LB
                Rd 5 #160 highest player left on board that plays either Secondary, Oline, or DT.
                Like it ..... would love to add a RB bull as well.

                “It breaks your heart when someone leaves and you don’t know why.”

                "It may be raining but there's a rainbow above you"


                Former President Donald Trump early Thursday touted the results of a new NPR/PBSNewsHour/Marist poll showing him ahead of President Joe Biden by 8 percentage points among independents.

                Comment

                • TacklingDummy
                  Unreachable Douche
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71725

                  #9
                  Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                  Originally posted by Woodman View Post
                  Like it ..... would love to add a RB bull as well.
                  They can roll with Cook, Hines, FA, undrafted rookie.

                  They need someone to open up holes for the running back.

                  Comment

                  • Woodman
                    Legendary Zoner
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 65891

                    #10
                    Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                    Originally posted by TacklingDummy View Post
                    They can roll with Cook, Hines, FA, undrafted rookie.

                    They need someone to open up holes for the running back.
                    My 1st priority is the trenches.

                    My 2nd priority is the trenches.

                    Build a great line and any RB could operate behind it.

                    Protect the franchise and add a REAL WEAPON!

                    “It breaks your heart when someone leaves and you don’t know why.”

                    "It may be raining but there's a rainbow above you"


                    Former President Donald Trump early Thursday touted the results of a new NPR/PBSNewsHour/Marist poll showing him ahead of President Joe Biden by 8 percentage points among independents.

                    Comment

                    • YardRat
                      Well, lookie here...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86147

                      #11
                      Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                      So I'm going to move forward under the premise Oliver, McKenzie and Epenesa are traded, and Settle is cut.
                      Also assuming the following will end up being cuts...WR Coulter, DE Vickers, S Mayden...and Hamlin starts the season on PUP.


                      Position-Players (current # on roster)--players needed

                      QB--Allen (1)--1
                      RB--Cook, Hines (2)--1
                      FB--Gilliam (1)--0
                      WR--Diggs, Davis, Shakir, (3)--4
                      TE--Knox, Morris (2)--1
                      C--Morse (1)--1
                      G--Bates (1)--2
                      OT--Dawkins, Doyle, Brown (3)--1


                      DT--Jones, Settle (2)--2
                      DE--Miller, Rousseau, Basham,(3)--2
                      LB--Milano, Bernard, Spector, (3)--2
                      CB--White, Elam, TJohnson, Benford, Neal (5)--1
                      S--Hyde (1)--3


                      PK--Bass (1)--0
                      P--(0)--1
                      LS--Ferguson (1)--0

                      30 roster spots filled, 22 specific needed plus 1 flexible for 53 total (not including practice squad)


                      Edit---the additional three cuts and Hamlin add ~$3.793mil to the cap, current status = ~$34,943,500 under.


                      Projected draft picks after trades...


                      Rd 1 #27
                      Rd 2 #59
                      Rd 3 #91
                      Rd 3 ??
                      Rd 4 #128
                      Rd 5 #135 (from Arizona)
                      Rd 6 #205
                      Rd 5 ??
                      Rd 7 ??
                      Last edited by YardRat; 02-19-2023, 08:12 AM.
                      YardRat Wall of Fame
                      #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                      #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

                      Comment

                      • Night Train
                        Retired - On Several Levels
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 33117

                        #12
                        Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                        Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                        For reference only at the moment
                        It still is.

                        Off-season hasn't started yet.
                        Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

                        Comment

                        • YardRat
                          Well, lookie here...
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 86147

                          #13
                          Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                          Priority #1---Safety. It's going to hurt but IMO they bring back Poyer on a three year deal, hoping to get two out of him, and his cap hit in '23 will be similar to Hydes ($10.5mil)

                          Priority #2---Linebacker. I would try and correct last season's mistake and dangle a couple of picks to Jacksonville in exchange for Chad Muma ($951k cap hit) or Dallas for Damone Clark ($870k cap hit). Muma is probably more realistic because A) Jax already has fellow rookie Lloyd starting and playing very well, and B) Clark is probably taking VanderEsch's starting spot in '23.
                          Last edited by YardRat; 02-12-2023, 01:54 PM.
                          YardRat Wall of Fame
                          #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                          #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

                          Comment

                          • TacklingDummy
                            Unreachable Douche
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 71725

                            #14
                            Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                            I’d be interested in…

                            WR: OBJ, Beasley, Jacobi Meyers, JuJu
                            RB: Undrafted rookie
                            LT: Orlando Brown moving Dawkins to guard
                            DT: Da’Ron Payne, Shy Tuttle
                            DE: DeMarcus Walker

                            Comment

                            • EDS
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 5216

                              #15
                              Re: 2023 Roster Analysis

                              Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                              So I'm going to move forward under the premise Oliver, McKenzie and Epenesa are traded, and Settle is cut.
                              Also assuming the following will end up being cuts...WR Coulter, DE Vickers, S Mayden...and Hamlin starts the season on PUP.


                              Position-Players (current # on roster)--players needed

                              QB--Allen (1)--1
                              RB--Cook, Hines (2)--1
                              FB--Gilliam (1)--0
                              WR--Diggs, Davis, Shakir, (3)--4
                              TE--Knox, Morris (2)--1
                              C--Morse (1)--1
                              G--Bates (1)--2
                              OT--Dawkins, Doyle, Brown (3)--1


                              DT--Jones, Settle (2)--2
                              DE--Miller, Rousseau, Basham,(3)--2
                              LB--Milano, Bernard, Spector, (3)--2
                              CB--White, Elam, TJohnson, Benford, Neal (5)--1
                              S--Hyde (1)--3


                              PK--Bass (1)--0
                              P--(0)--1
                              LS--Ferguson (1)--0

                              30 roster spots filled, 22 specific needed plus 1 flexible for 53 total (not including practice squad)


                              Edit---the additional three cuts and Hamlin add ~$3.793mil to the cap, current status = ~$34,943,500 under.


                              Projected draft picks after trades...


                              Rd 1 #27
                              Rd 2 #59
                              Rd 3 #91
                              Rd 3 ??
                              Rd 4 #128
                              Rd 5 #135 (from Arizona)
                              Rd 5 #160
                              Rd 5 ??
                              Rd 7 ??
                              Lot of work to be done this off-season.

                              To me, since Allen is the franchise and the depth chart is non-existent, the team is going to have to invest big on the oline this offseason - most importantly a free agent starting tackle and one free agent guard who can at least compete to start (plus a relatively early draft pick on an interior lineman who also can compete to start).

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X