Leslie Frasier steps away from coaching for a year

[mightysimi]

Not sure if the Carolina guy we signed will be the next up or if they will have to hire someone else. It sounds like he plans to return in 24.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-announce-leslie-frazier-is-taking-a-year-off-and-other-coaching-changes


Defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier has decided to take a year off from coaching.

With Frazier as their DC, the Bills have had multiple seasons where the defense ranked top five in the NFL. Since 2017, the Bills have allowed an average of 20 points per game (3rd in the NFL over that span), 315 total yards per game (1st), 202 passing yards per game (1st), 107 passing touchdowns (1st), have racked up 99 interceptions (2nd) and 158 takeaways (2nd).

Frazier plans to return for the 2024 season.

[YardRat]

Whoa.

[Canadian'eh!]

Good Riddence.

[sukie]

Last line…. Plans to return in 2024

[Night Train]

Might have health issues. More to come, I'm guessing.

[YardRat]

Considering his contract is up in March, sounds like it might be a mutual parting of ways.

[TacklingDummy]

Now maybe we can get the CB’s to not give an 8-10 yard cushion.

[sukie]

Now is McD calling all D? Maybe Dorsey can double up kinda like a bizzaro NE?

[mightysimi]

I think scheme is the issue and if he is just gone for a year do they bother changing anything?

[TacklingDummy]

Someone had to take the fall for the last 4 years of failure.

Long time coming. Cya.

[sukie]

I think scheme is the issue and if he is just gone for a year do they bother changing anything?

Say stars align and Bills make Super Bowl… then what? Bring back the guy that collapsed in the playoffs?

[YardRat]

Now is McD calling all D? Maybe Dorsey can double up kinda like a bizzaro NE?

They hired Al Holcomb a couple of weeks ago.

[Woodman]

It's not April 1st is it?


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Otto are pulling on my legs right now!

[Forward_Lateral]

Hope he's ok, health wise. Not unhappy to see him leave, however.

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Last line…. Plans to return in 2024

Who cares, it won't be with Buffalo

[Prov401]

Great news. I'm so sick of that tampa 2 b.s. Wish we had time to look for a better replacement. Getting Jim Schwartz back would of been lovely.

[Woodman]

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[Woodman]

Suddenly the sun is shining the birds are singing!!

THIS IS ****ING HUGE!!

[Woodman]

I vote this as my favorite thread of 2023,24,25 etc.etc.

[Woodman]

Say stars align and Bills make Super Bowl… then what? Bring back the guy that collapsed in the playoffs?

NO! .... We are going in another direction but thanks for the memories.

Or should I have said scars.

[Jeff1220]

It all depends on what they replace him with.

[Woodman]

It all depends on what they replace him with.
Great point .... they probably won't replace him.

That would suck.

[Woodman]

This should be a :posrep: celebration fellas. :cheers:

Feels like we just won something :D

[TacklingDummy]

It all depends on what they replace him with.

Rex Ryan?

[Woodman]

Rex Ryan?

Where's that bar of soap. :rofl: :cheers:

[Mahdi]

Great news. I'm so sick of that tampa 2 b.s. Wish we had time to look for a better replacement. Getting Jim Schwartz back would of been lovely.

Tampa 2 is not going away.

McDermott brought in Holcomb to be his defensive assistant for McDermott’s scheme which is the tampa 2.

Holcomb coached this system before in Carolina with McDermott.

My guess is McDermott didn’t like the way the defense has been called in big games.

Frazier would probably argue that he couldn’t be as aggressive as he wanted because we couldn’t get to the QB fast enough without Von.

[Woodman]

I think it's gonna be tweaked incredibly ..... we don't have the personnel .... maybe Frazier is taking the year off because he's losing Edmunds and Poyer.

[YardRat]

Holcomb also reunites with Bills head coach Sean McDermott as the two were on staff together in Carolina. Holcomb was the linebackers coach for the Panthers from 2013-2017 when McDermott was the defensive coordinator from 2011-2016.


Would love to hear his honest opinion of Edmunds. We'll probably get some indication before the end of March.

[Woodman]

In fact we have a lot of questions on defense .... will Hyde return full blast is White ever gonna be what he was.

[Lexwhat]

Too bad we missed out on Vic Fangio and Ejiro Evero...

Names to watch for: Sean Desai, Jim Leonhard.

Great news to move on from Frazier though.

This was actually something I suspected would happen (i.e. no immediate post-season news on Frazier, but then they would possibly part ways after a few weeks as a sign of respect to Frazier).

[Novacane]

I'd given up hope! Bye Leslie.

[YardRat]

They never really ran a traditional Tampa 2 under Frazier anyway, they modified the shell to incorporate a safety closer to the line of scrimmage to double-down on the MLBs responsibilities, ran more zone-under coverage, and had to account for a nickel back.

The key to a Tampa 2 is the MLB, so hopefully this is not only an admission of the failures of coaching but also the player on the field.

Would love to see more Wide 9 from the defensive line and man coverage on the boundaries plugged in.

[sukie]

It’s a one year job. Leslie returning in 2024 so speculating on a new hire is silly.

unless Leslie WILL not return,

as far as not firing him or this announcement earlier, Bills would gain 2 third rd picks had Leslie taken a job elsewhere. Those jobs dried up… now this.

[cookie G]

So he comes back in 2024...just in time for the playoffs next year.

Anyway

1. I hope he's Ok.

2. Jim Leonhard is still available, he and the Eagles "mutually agreed" that he wouldn't be hired as DC, whatever that means. Leonhard has learned from a number of people, including Rex, early in his career, and Dave Aranda. He can run a variety of defenses and draws from a number of philosophies.

3. Most likely, Holcomb takes over the DC position, but McD ends up calling the defense. And if so, McD would do himself well to go back and review game footage from the old Jim Johnson's defenses.

[Woodman]

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[justasportsfan]

Rex Ryan?

Dick Jauron

[kgun12]

I have two different thoughts on this, either they brought in Holcomb to push him out or it was purely to assist and Frazier got butt hurt!!

I hope he’s not ill, but the I’ll be back in 2024 is curious.

[Novacane]

Just give me a defense who can hold Mahomes under 30 points and build up our offense.

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I have two different thoughts on this, either they brought in Holcomb to push him out or it was purely to assist and Frazier got butt hurt!!

I hope he’s not ill, but the I’ll be back in 2024 is curious.

He doesn't have a contract so he won't be back here.

[Canadian'eh!]

Great news. I'm so sick of that tampa 2 b.s. Wish we had time to look for a better replacement. Getting Jim Schwartz back would of been lovely.
I wouldn’t hold your breath on a scheme change as long as McD is coach

[justasportsfan]

Tampa 2 is not going away.

McDermott brought in Holcomb to be his defensive assistant for McDermott’s scheme which is the tampa 2.

Holcomb coached this system before in Carolina with McDermott.

My guess is McDermott didn’t like the way the defense has been called in big games.

Frazier would probably argue that he couldn’t be as aggressive as he wanted because we couldn’t get to the QB fast enough without Von.

Holcomb took over as Carolina's defensive coordinator following the team's decision to part ways with Phil Snow. The unit made significant progress under his watch, particularly in the run game and creating pressure on the quarterback. A number of players took their game to the next level this season, which is a credit to not only them but to Holcomb.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/al-holcomb-takes-a-new-job

[yordad]

I think it's gonna be tweaked incredibly ..... we don't have the personnel .... maybe Frazier is taking the year off because he's losing Edmunds and Poyer.

That was my first thought.

[Gibby 2.0]

But but but who will orchestrate the defense's yearly playoff collapse and break our souls now?

[swiper]

Now maybe we can get the CB’s to not give an 8-10 yard cushion.

This made me laugh. I guess it's that transparent to everyone.

[swiper]

But but but who will orchestrate the defense's yearly playoff collapse and break our souls now?

Herodotus knows.

https://th.bing.com/th?id=OSK.4acec72429769cc7790902e1fb4a5134&w=124&h=168&c=7&o=6&pid=SANGAM

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Rex Ryan?

Where's the groan button?

[swiper]

Dick Jauron

Dave Wannstedt

[Gibby 2.0]

Herodotus knows.

https://th.bing.com/th?id=OSK.4acec72429769cc7790902e1fb4a5134&w=124&h=168&c=7&o=6&pid=SANGAM

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Where's the groan button?

Read my posts in that topic. I said I would be gone unless something major happened. Frazier stepping away is sorta major. Also, I am done with that site. People are being doxxxed there and that is not a good thing no matter what stance you have on any subject.

[Novacane]

Now maybe we can get the CB’s to not give an 8-10 yard cushion.

Be fair. He only called that on 3rd and short!

[notacon]

Wow. That was unexpected.

I’m not so fast to revel in his departure.

We saw a lot of posters here welcoming the departure of Brian Daboll, and some even said he would be a failure as HC.

How did that turn out?? :rolleyes:

[Historian]

I’m not so fast to revel in his departure.



Same here.

Better the devil you know....

[Turf]

I think Frazier is setting himself up for a head coaching job. When the first head coach gets fired this year, he should be at the top of the list. I think that's what he really wants. If not he'll never be a head coach and he can be a D coordinator the next year.

[Woodman]

Dick Jauron

Is he still alive?

[Woodman]

Dave Wannstedt

The mustache.

[Woodman]

Herodotus knows.

https://th.bing.com/th?id=OSK.4acec72429769cc7790902e1fb4a5134&w=124&h=168&c=7&o=6&pid=SANGAM

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Where's the groan button?

Still looking for that bar of soap. :D

[Woodman]

But but but who will orchestrate the defense's yearly playoff collapse and break our souls now?


19703
May the schwartz be with you.

Now if we could just talk the Browns into it.

[Woodman]

Holcomb took over as Carolina's defensive coordinator following the team's decision to part ways with Phil Snow. The unit made significant progress under his watch, particularly in the run game and creating pressure on the quarterback. A number of players took their game to the next level this season, which is a credit to not only them but to Holcomb.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/al-holcomb-takes-a-new-job

Do the same here and the rest will write itself!

[jamze132]

Not sure Frazier leaving will help or hurt but you can probably assume this won’t impact bringing Edmunds back. OBD could have put him on the outside if they wanted. Maybe Frazier had enough of the square peg/round hole rules we follow.

[TacklingDummy]

This made me laugh. I guess it's that transparent to everyone.

Not even sure who the **** 39 was covering.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Until my Buffalo Bills get over the hump and finally win a Super Bowl I'll never forgive Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier for this God awful play calling. I'll never understand why with 13 seconds the defense wasn't being aggressive <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/l7WX18WPof">pic.twitter.com/l7WX18WPof</a></p>&mdash; BuffaloFan (@BillsSabresFan2) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillsSabresFan2/status/1523424617519484929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Cali512]

I think vs the bengals it was 3rd and 2, and every DB was back, and not even any LBs that shaded to the outside

This was straight out of Dicky Js playcalling from way back

[Woodman]

Not even sure who the **** 39 was covering.

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[Forward_Lateral]

Same here.

Better the devil you know....
13 seconds was the end for me. No Defensive Co-Ordinator should've survived that

[Woodman]

13 seconds was the end for me. No Defensive Co-Ordinator should've survived that
This year is was ok when is it going to happen .... we should have moved on a year or two ago when looking back .......... but at least last year for sure.

The Pegulas have some decisions to make.

[Saratoga Slim]

This is still McDermott's defense. I don't see wholesale changes coming. Not the same at all as when Daboll left.

[Woodman]

This is still McDermott's defense. I don't see wholesale changes coming. Not the same at all as when Daboll left.

It might change a bit when we lose Edmunds and Poyer to free agency.

Can White return to form and how about Hyde.

This defense will have a major overhaul JMO.

Not even sure about Oliver yet either.

[Turf]

Not even sure who the **** 39 was covering.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Until my Buffalo Bills get over the hump and finally win a Super Bowl I'll never forgive Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier for this God awful play calling. I'll never understand why with 13 seconds the defense wasn't being aggressive <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/l7WX18WPof">pic.twitter.com/l7WX18WPof</a></p>— BuffaloFan (@BillsSabresFan2) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillsSabresFan2/status/1523424617519484929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They should have just held the Wr's at the line for 2 plays, eat 10 secs off the clock and they only gain 10 yards.

[Mace]

McDermott was never a Tampa 2 dc. He was a Jim Johnson disciple. Johnson used a cover 2 shell.

Johnson's philosophy was to limit long gains and make them grind it out. Until they got to the 50. Then he'd start blitzing. Get to the 40...and he was confident in his shell....he'd start blitzing furiously from anywhere and everywhere...constant....the 2 lb's threatening both sides of the center at the line every play...even when they intended to drop into coverage. We used to see that in the beginning here.

In his first dc job...McD embraced it. By the end in Carolina...he seldom blitzed...he clenched into his present passive....he had Kuechly to protect him.

Current Bills d is a passive hybrid of tampa 2 and Johnson shell without aggression...carried as far as it gets by personnel.

McD inserted himself into 13 seconds. He lost his nerve....clenches.

Maybe Frazier was too passive and agreeable. Maybe McD engineered it this way. Maybe Holcomb has influence.

I don't think Frazier comes back here. I don't think McD regains his nerve. Was still an inadequate defense to use against big boys.

Maybe it changes. I wish Frazier well. I'm glad he will not be here. Worst thing will happen is that the defense will crumple in the clutch....again.

[Woodman]

They should have just held the Wr's at the line for 2 plays, eat 10 secs off the clock and they only gain 10 yards.

Just one of the biggest **** ups in sports .... just leaves you in disbelief.

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McDermott was never a Tampa 2 dc. He was a Jim Johnson disciple. Johnson used a cover 2 shell.

Johnson's philosophy was to limit long gains and make them grind it out. Until they got to the 50. Then he'd start blitzing. Get to the 40...and he was confident in his shell....he'd start blitzing furiously from anywhere and everywhere...constant....the 2 lb's threatening both sides of the center at the line every play...even when they intended to drop into coverage. We used to see that in the beginning here.

In his first dc job...McD embraced it. By the end in Carolina...he seldom blitzed...he clenched into his present passive....he had Kuechly to protect him.

Current Bills d is a passive hybrid of tampa 2 and Johnson shell without aggression...carried as far as it gets by personnel.

McD inserted himself into 13 seconds. He lost his nerve....clenches.

Maybe Frazier was too passive and agreeable. Maybe McD engineered it this way. Maybe Holcomb has influence.

I don't think Frazier comes back here. I don't think McD regains his nerve. Was still an inadequate defense to use against big boys.

Maybe it changes. I wish Frazier well. I'm glad he will not be here. Worst thing will happen is that the defense will crumple in the clutch....again.

:10:

[DraftBoy]

Surprised to say the least. I hope this isn’t health related.

I hope McDermott does a comprehensive search for a new DC and not just an internal hire or whoever last worked for Carolina.

[Mace]

Surprised to say the least. I hope this isn’t health related.

I hope McDermott does a comprehensive search for a new DC and not just an internal hire or whoever last worked for Carolina.

Lovie Smith or Holcomb imho. He's addicted to comfort zone.

[Typ0]

How does he know if he will return in 2024 if he doesn't have a contract in 2024? That part doesn't make sense.

I hope he is OK and wish him well. Figured this was coming when his replacement was hired they just have been figuring out how to go about this in the least damaging way to Frazier. Everyone should get that consideration anyway but only few do.

[Mace]

How does he know if he will return in 2024 if he doesn't have a contract in 2024? That part doesn't make sense.

I hope he is OK and wish him well. Figured this was coming when his replacement was hired they just have been figuring out how to go about this in the least damaging way to Frazier. Everyone should get that consideration anyway but only few do.

He didn't say he'd return here...insinuates he'll return to the game. He'll get a job somewhere. Schwartz did the same thing in Philly in january and was working for the titans 3 months later. Graceful exit.

[Woodman]

How does he know if he will return in 2024 if he doesn't have a contract in 2024? That part doesn't make sense.

I hope he is OK and wish him well. Figured this was coming when his replacement was hired they just have been figuring out how to go about this in the least damaging way to Frazier. Everyone should get that consideration anyway but only few do.

This was handled very delicately JMO.

[Historian]

or whoever last worked for Carolina.

:roflmao:

[kgun12]

I just wish this would have happened earlier when sone of the other candidates like Schwartz were still available.

[Mace]

I just wish this would have happened earlier when sone of the other candidates like Schwartz were still available.

If there is one thing about McD....he's not going past his nervous comfort zone.

[TacklingDummy]

They should have just held the Wr's at the line for 2 plays, eat 10 secs off the clock and they only gain 10 yards.

Rush 3. Double cover Kelce and Hill. That still leaves 4 defenders for the rest. Let Mahomes sit back there with no one to throw to.

[Woodman]

Rush 3. Double cover Kelce and Hill. That still leaves 4 defenders for the rest. Let Mahomes sit back there with no one to throw to.

That woulda worked.

[swiper]

Not even sure who the **** 39 was covering.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Until my Buffalo Bills get over the hump and finally win a Super Bowl I'll never forgive Sean McDermott and Leslie Frazier for this God awful play calling. I'll never understand why with 13 seconds the defense wasn't being aggressive <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/l7WX18WPof">pic.twitter.com/l7WX18WPof</a></p>— BuffaloFan (@BillsSabresFan2) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillsSabresFan2/status/1523424617519484929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh my!

[swiper]

Wow. That was unexpected.

I’m not so fast to revel in his departure.

We saw a lot of posters here welcoming the departure of Brian Daboll, and some even said he would be a failure as HC.

How did that turn out?? :rolleyes:

My reaction to hearing about this was this: Bills fans now will be able to focus their ire on the person really at the root of this defense (McDermott). It hasn't really been a point of discussion, but Frasier and McDermott have both recently said this is McDermott's defense. One has to wonder if Frazier leaving was due to him wanting to do things different and getting told "no." Certainly hope it has nothing to do with his health. But every insider you hear or read about absolutely loves Frazier and his defense and they push to get him another head coaching gig. So leaves you wondering.

[Buffalogic]

Oh thank god. Need something different. Been torched too many times in big games. We got stale. This is good.

[TigerJ]

It was pointed out on another message board that his contract is up after the coming season. Thus, if the Bills want him to stay, they will need to sign him to a new deal. Also, if they really want Frazier to come back, they need to set up an interim arrangement. There aren't many who would come in from outside the team to be a one year interim defensive coordinator, and this has happened after the market for coordinators has pretty much dried up. They are probably going to handle the defensive signal calling and strategizing with the staff they have in house now including Sean McDermott himself.

[Woodman]

Oh thank god. Need something different. Been torched too many times in big games. We got stale. This is good.
He has moved on and it's absolutely for the better.

[Woodman]

My reaction to hearing about this was this: Bills fans now will be able to focus their ire on the person really at the root of this defense (McDermott). It hasn't really been a point of discussion, but Frasier and McDermott have both recently said this is McDermott's defense. One has to wonder if Frazier leaving was due to him wanting to do things different and getting told "no." Certainly hope it has nothing to do with his health. But every insider you hear or read about absolutely loves Frazier and his defense and they push to get him another head coaching gig. So leaves you wondering.

He has removed himself from the equation .... this was the right move for both parties.

He is free and clear and under no circumstance will he return to the Bills.

[cookie G]

McDermott was never a Tampa 2 dc. He was a Jim Johnson disciple. Johnson used a cover 2 shell.

Johnson's philosophy was to limit long gains and make them grind it out. Until they got to the 50. Then he'd start blitzing. Get to the 40...and he was confident in his shell....he'd start blitzing furiously from anywhere and everywhere...constant....the 2 lb's threatening both sides of the center at the line every play...even when they intended to drop into coverage. We used to see that in the beginning here.

In his first dc job...McD embraced it. By the end in Carolina...he seldom blitzed...he clenched into his present passive....he had Kuechly to protect him.

Current Bills d is a passive hybrid of tampa 2 and Johnson shell without aggression...carried as far as it gets by personnel.

McD inserted himself into 13 seconds. He lost his nerve....clenches.

Maybe Frazier was too passive and agreeable. Maybe McD engineered it this way. Maybe Holcomb has influence.

I don't think Frazier comes back here. I don't think McD regains his nerve. Was still an inadequate defense to use against big boys.

Maybe it changes. I wish Frazier well. I'm glad he will not be here. Worst thing will happen is that the defense will crumple in the clutch....again.

I agree with nearly all of this and its why I say that McD really needs to go back and review old Jim Johnson playbooks, film and other writings...to remind himself of what got him here.

That said, there is a lil more here. The high draft resources are really very high, especially on the D line. 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a guy behind them who they used 1 first and a third on.

McD has this huge rotation thing going on with the D line to keep the D Line fresh.

Great. well, to take that logic to the next step...the OL of the other team doesn't rotate their linemen throughout the game. IF you follow that logic, The BIlls Dline should have a distinct advantage in the 4th quarter off the ball.

Yet, these 1st and 2nd round picks on the Dline aren't getting close to the QB in too many of these big games. At that stage in a game, wehre you know the other team is going to pass...the Dline's job isn't that complicated...you get to the qb, by whatever means necessary. sIts that whole "pin your ears back" thingy color commentators are always ranting on. And yet, I'm not seeing the sack or the pressure in these big games.

In fact, it was shown to be ineffective they needed to spend a great deal of money on Von Miller as a "closer".

The high picks they drafted should be "closers" by now.

A big part of this problem is that outside of Von, there isn't a speed rusher in their rotation.

I like Rousseau's athleticism, but he's not particularly fast.
Boogie, I like his hustle...but he's not blowing people off the LOS.
Epenesa...they used a 2nd round pick on an edge rusher who ran a 5.00 40 at the combine. I didn't understand the pick then, I don't understand it now.
Oliver...he should be living in the backfield on most plays..but he only does that for a few games per year.

That leaves blitzing...and as you pointed out, they aren't doing that late in a game when a stop needs to be made.

It reminds me a bit of Jerry Gray when he was DC under Greggo. He'd be like that. When crunch time was on and a play needed to be made, he'd go into a shell.

[kgun12]

I agree with nearly all of this and its why I say that McD really needs to go back and review old Jim Johnson playbooks, film and other writings...to remind himself of what got him here.

That said, there is a lil more here. The high draft resources are really very high, especially on the D line. 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a guy behind them who they used 1 first and a third on.

McD has this huge rotation thing going on with the D line to keep the D Line fresh.

Great. well, to take that logic to the next step...the OL of the other team doesn't rotate their linemen throughout the game. IF you follow that logic, The BIlls Dline should have a distinct advantage in the 4th quarter off the ball.

Yet, these 1st and 2nd round picks on the Dline aren't getting close to the QB in too many of these big games. At that stage in a game, wehre you know the other team is going to pass...the Dline's job isn't that complicated...you get to the qb, by whatever means necessary. sIts that whole "pin your ears back" thingy color commentators are always ranting on. And yet, I'm not seeing the sack or the pressure in these big games.

In fact, it was shown to be ineffective they needed to spend a great deal of money on Von Miller as a "closer".

The high picks they drafted should be "closers" by now.

A big part of this problem is that outside of Von, there isn't a speed rusher in their rotation.

I like Rousseau's athleticism, but he's not particularly fast.
Boogie, I like his hustle...but he's not blowing people off the LOS.
Epenesa...they used a 2nd round pick on an edge rusher who ran a 5.00 40 at the combine. I didn't understand the pick then, I don't understand it now.
Oliver...he should be living in the backfield on most plays..but he only does that for a few games per year.

That leaves blitzing...and as you pointed out, they aren't doing that late in a game when a stop needs to be made.

It reminds me a bit of Jerry Gray when he was DC under Greggo. He'd be like that. When crunch time was on and a play needed to be made, he'd go into a shell.

Very good point as well. I said in one of the threads, this team needs to draft better.

[jamze132]

Very good point as well. I said in one of the threads, this team needs to draft better.

Definitely. We haven’t really “hit” on a first rounder since Josh.

[swiper]

How does any of what Mace or cookie say make McDermott a good head coach? The right head coach?

A big part of the NY Giants success in 2022 was their hiring of Wink Martindale to run their defense. That unit made major improvements because of him (and some of their draft picks) and went a long way to keeping them in games last year.

[kgun12]

How does any of what Mace or cookie say make McDermott a good head coach? The right head coach?

A big part of the NY Giants success in 2022 was their hiring of Wink Martindale to run their defense. That unit made major improvements because of him (and some of their draft picks) and went a long way to keeping them in games last year.

I’m not sure either one of them said McD was a good coach, as a matter of fact I think they both pointed out his faults and mistakes. Seems to me they both put a lot of the defensive issues squarely on McD’s shoulders!

[YardRat]

I agree with nearly all of this and its why I say that McD really needs to go back and review old Jim Johnson playbooks, film and other writings...to remind himself of what got him here.

That said, there is a lil more here. The high draft resources are really very high, especially on the D line. 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a guy behind them who they used 1 first and a third on.

McD has this huge rotation thing going on with the D line to keep the D Line fresh.

Great. well, to take that logic to the next step...the OL of the other team doesn't rotate their linemen throughout the game. IF you follow that logic, The BIlls Dline should have a distinct advantage in the 4th quarter off the ball.

Yet, these 1st and 2nd round picks on the Dline aren't getting close to the QB in too many of these big games. At that stage in a game, wehre you know the other team is going to pass...the Dline's job isn't that complicated...you get to the qb, by whatever means necessary. sIts that whole "pin your ears back" thingy color commentators are always ranting on. And yet, I'm not seeing the sack or the pressure in these big games.

In fact, it was shown to be ineffective they needed to spend a great deal of money on Von Miller as a "closer".

The high picks they drafted should be "closers" by now.

A big part of this problem is that outside of Von, there isn't a speed rusher in their rotation.

I like Rousseau's athleticism, but he's not particularly fast.
Boogie, I like his hustle...but he's not blowing people off the LOS.
Epenesa...they used a 2nd round pick on an edge rusher who ran a 5.00 40 at the combine. I didn't understand the pick then, I don't understand it now.
Oliver...he should be living in the backfield on most plays..but he only does that for a few games per year.

That leaves blitzing...and as you pointed out, they aren't doing that late in a game when a stop needs to be made.

It reminds me a bit of Jerry Gray when he was DC under Greggo. He'd be like that. When crunch time was on and a play needed to be made, he'd go into a shell.

I agree with everything except for the 'fourth quarter logic' regarding the lines. The expense of energy is very different between the offensive and defensive lines, in the offense's favor.

[TacklingDummy]

Definitely. We haven’t really “hit” on a first rounder since Josh.

Beane and McDermott would be looking for jobs right now if it wasn’t for Josh.

[Mace]

Saw something interestng....speaking to Mike Catalana...McD told him they want to add some nasty to the D.....that all great defenses have a nasty edge to them. That's Jim Johnson-ish. Maybe McD was too tolerant of Frazier.

We'll find out. Would love for them to go Jim Johnson. Besides Martindale...a other furious blitzer is Todd Bowles as a dc.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Na na na na
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goodbye!

[YardRat]

I would take Bowles as a DC.

[swiper]

I would take Bowles as a DC.

Right. Not a head coach.

[Mace]

I would take Bowles as a DC.

With Arizona....I remember some game....last few minutes....two score lead...don't remember the opponent....strong pass offense....they started moving downfield....got near midfield...was thinking uh oh...

Bowles started blitzing insanely ..like everyone every play....announcers couldn't believe it....threw the offense into chaos...they tried a hurry up...everyone on d was at the line....just flooding it. Offense took it's final snap around their own 15....the qb taking the snap and immediately going down under basically the whole defense. I was gleeful.

[Woodman]

Beane and McDermott would be looking for jobs right now if it wasn’t for Josh.
True!

[Woodman]

I would take Bowles as a DC.

100%

[kgun12]

Saw something interestng....speaking to Mike Catalana...McD told him they want to add some nasty to the D.....that all great defenses have a nasty edge to them. That's Jim Johnson-ish. Maybe McD was too tolerant of Frazier.

We'll find out. Would love for them to go Jim Johnson. Besides Martindale...a other furious blitzer is Todd Bowles as a dc.

Bobby Wagner and Jacob Hargrove would add a little nastiness to this defense!

[jamze132]

Saw something interestng....speaking to Mike Catalana...McD told him they want to add some nasty to the D.....that all great defenses have a nasty edge to them. That's Jim Johnson-ish. Maybe McD was too tolerant of Frazier.

We'll find out. Would love for them to go Jim Johnson. Besides Martindale...a other furious blitzer is Todd Bowles as a dc.

I’m really hoping he allowed Frazier the freedom. And it looks like McDermott wanted to change the way Frazier does business and to keep it clean, they allowed Frazier to leave without being “fired”. I just think their philosophies started to differ too much and the HC is usually going to win.

[Woodman]

I’m really hoping he allowed Frazier the freedom. And it looks like McDermott wanted to change the way Frazier does business and to keep it clean, they allowed Frazier to leave without being “fired”. I just think their philosophies started to differ too much and the HC is usually going to win.

They gave Frazier the freedom to go the way he wanted JMO ..... and has been since it happened.

[Jeff1220]

Didn't the D get off to a horrible start with Frazier for the first few games 3-4 seasons ago, then McD took over the Def playcalling and righted the ship before handing the playcalling back over to Frazier?

[Woodman]

Didn't the D get off to a horrible start with Frazier for the first few games 3-4 seasons ago, then McD took over the Def playcalling and righted the ship before handing the playcalling back over to Frazier?

Here's to that happening all over again.

[Skooby]

Contract ran out & now this: The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.<body id="cke_pastebin" style="position: absolute; top: 0px; width: 1px; height: 1px; overflow: hidden; left: -1000px;">
Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.
The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.
The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.
The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.
The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.
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[Skooby]

He’s listed as a headcoach hopeful now = Bills did the softest firing ever, Bravo on calling it stepping away. Where’s the red stapler & pass the cake…