Tremaine Edmunds and Free Agency

[YardRat]

Who does he sign with, when, and for how much?

[swiper]

Who does he sign with, when, and for how much?

Raiders or Cardinals for north of $15 million/ year.

[Ginger Vitis]

Dallas Cowboys.. $80 million... 5 years

[kgun12]

Chicago or Houston $18 million a year.

[Lexwhat]

$18 million a year average. Wouldn't be surprised if it was $20+

No idea with who. I think his market will be strong.

[Historian]

Anyone who signs him is overpaying, IMO.

This is why you don't draft 20 year olds.

By the time they begin to develop.....

[Cali512]

Notty

"Philadelphia eagles, 10 yrs, 500 million, fully guaranteed"

[Cali512]

Anyone who signs him is overpaying, IMO.

This is why you don't draft 20 year olds.

By the time they begin to develop.....

I think he was actually closer 19. In our defense, we wouldve had to wait another 10 yrs for his development


I still cant believe we picked him over Darius Leonard

[Woodman]

Chicago or Houston $18 million a year.

Get what you can Tremaine.

[notacon]

Notty

"Philadelphia eagles, 10 yrs, 500 million, fully guaranteed"

“Stupid, fact-less, trolling exaggeration for $1,000 Alex"

[Woodman]

Anyone who signs him is overpaying, IMO.

This is why you don't draft 20 year olds.

By the time they begin to develop.....

Great point .... the waiting is hell.

We spent some important draft capital to move up If I'm remembering it right.

What might have been we'll just never know.

[Woodman]

“Stupid, fact-less, trolling exaggeration for $1,000 Alex"

Who believes Tremaine's **** does not stink?


_ _ _ / _ _ / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ?

[notacon]

Who believes Tremaine's **** does not stink?


_ _ _ / _ _ / _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ?

“Stupid, fact-less, trolling exaggeration for $2,000 Alex"

[Cali512]

Guys, i take blame for this. A couple years ago i talk notty what the word troll is, and like a 5 yr old, he cant stop repeating it

[Cali512]

"Blockhead, Stupid, disgusting, putrid, laughable, hater, delusional, idiotic, repulsive, childish, immature, Troll, dishonest, ridiculous, unintelligent"

Anyone want to take bets on whats coming up next?

Ive got 500 on "disgusting"

[jamze132]

Hopefully whoever signs him sees his value as an outside linebacker. No way anyone pays him to be a MLB.

[kgun12]

"Blockhead, Stupid, disgusting, putrid, laughable, hater, delusional, idiotic, repulsive, childish, immature, Troll, dishonest, ridiculous, unintelligent"

Anyone want to take bets on whats coming up next?

Ive got 500 on "disgusting"


Don’t forget right winger!

[Forward_Lateral]

When does Free Agency officially begin? March 15th?

[Novacane]

Whoever does their fans are going to super excited then a year from now be super pissed.

[Ed]

Buffalo - 5 yrs/$90 mil

[Woodman]

When does Free Agency officially begin? March 15th?
I think it is the 15th.

[kgun12]

Negotiation Period. During the period beginning at 12:00 noon, New York time, on March 13 and ending at 3:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 15, clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2022 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 15.
During the above two-day negotiating period, a prospective UFA who is not represented by an NFLPA Certified Contract Advisor is permitted to communicate directly with a new club’s front office officials (excluding the Head Coach and other members of the club’s coaching staff) regarding contract negotiations.
No prospective Unrestricted Free Agent is permitted to execute a contract with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 15.

[Woodman]

Hopefully whoever signs him sees his value as an outside linebacker. No way anyone pays him to be a MLB.

For his sake I sure hope so.

[Mace]

Houston....18 mil per.

[Woodman]

Loving these guesses.

Bears 17 million per.

[swiper]

Don’t forget right winger!


He is the only one here that gets away with name-calling without getting banned. The moderators, specifically DraftBoy, doesn't do his job evenly or properly.

[Cali512]

He is the only one here that gets away with name-calling without getting banned. The moderators, specifically DraftBoy, doesn't do his job evenly or properly.



For me its how he writes and ive tried telling him this for a long time

Like this is an example of how he writes (i literally wrote this how notty would)

"ROFL, everything you said is WRONG. These "bills fans" who put out this STUPID notion that Edmunds sucks are delusional. It's repulsive the HATE that you so called bills fans have. The disgusting narrative has been rebuted by PROFESSIONALs including Beane and Frazier. These stupid posts are repulsive and lack any knowledge of whats going on and the HATE is disgusting and lack credibility"

Its predictable and so hate filled that its hard to get into an actual conversation with him

[kgun12]

For me its how he writes and ive tried telling him this for a long time

Like this is an example of how he writes (i literally wrote this how notty would)

"ROFL, everything you said is WRONG. These "bills fans" who put out this STUPID notion that Edmunds sucks are delusional. It's repulsive the HATE that you so called bills fans have. The disgusting narrative has been rebuted by PROFESSIONALs including Beane and Frazier. These stupid posts are repulsive and lack any knowledge of whats going on and the HATE is disgusting and lack credibility"

Its predictable and so hate filled that its hard to get into an actual conversation with him

Spot on!

[notacon]

For me its how he writes and ive tried telling him this for a long time

Like this is an example of how he writes (i literally wrote this how notty would)

"ROFL, everything you said is WRONG. These "bills fans" who put out this STUPID notion that Edmunds sucks are delusional. It's repulsive the HATE that you so called bills fans have. The disgusting narrative has been rebuted by PROFESSIONALs including Beane and Frazier. These stupid posts are repulsive and lack any knowledge of whats going on and the HATE is disgusting and lack credibility"

Its predictable and so hate filled that its hard to get into an actual conversation with him

BaaaaaWaaaaaWaaaaa.

Of course, you don’t provide a link to that conjured up “example", and NONE if it is a “name-calling” of any poster.

Good to see that you pay attention to what I write and have internalized my accurate observations.

Let’s go over the so-called (fake) “name calling” that is not “name calling” of an individual.....but all about their opinions, mindset and lack of judgment as compared to real, honest to goodness, professional NFL experts, and the dripping disdain of one of the critical core players of the Bills…..that shows a deep disrespect of the team and the team’s management.

"ROFL, everything you said is WRONG.(“not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wrong)”)” - that would be a criticism of what a poster has SAID, being “wrong”, not about the individual.

"These "bills fans" who put out this STUPID (“lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull, characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless, tediously dull, especially due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless, annoying or irritating; troublesome, in a state (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stupid) ”)
notion (”an opinion, view or belief (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/notion)”)....that Edmunds sucks are delusional” - again, this is criticism of the “notion”....and YES, the “notion” that Edmunds sucks are absolutely STUPID

….and “delusional” (“having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions, maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional)”)….again, a criticism of a mindset and lack of realistic observation.


It IS repulsive (“causing repugnance or aversion (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/repulsive)”) the HATE (“to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hate)”) [and make no mistake, some “fans” absolutely HATE Edmunds and their posts are dripping with the same]….that you so called bills fans have.


The disgusting (“causing disgust; offensive to the physical, moral, or aesthetic taste. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/disgusting)”) narrative (“a story or account of events, experiences, or the like, whether true or fictitious (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/narrative).”) has been rebutted (“to refute by evidence or argument, to oppose by contrary proof. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rebutted)”)by PROFESSIONALS (“following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/professional)”) including Beane and Frazier.


These stupid (see above for definition….which is spot on) posts are repulsive (“causing repugnance or aversion (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/repulsive)”) and lack (“deficiency or absence of something needed, desirable, or customary (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lack)”) any knowledge (“acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition, familiarity or conversance, as with a particular subject or branch of learning, awareness, as of a fact or circumstance (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/knowledge)”) of whats going on and the HATE is disgusting and lack credibility (“the quality of being believable or worthy of trust (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/credibility)”)"


Actually, you have neatly summarized exactly what the mindset and confused opinions of the Edmunds haters. Thanks for the verification and validation.


They can’t stand that I am SPOT ON, and they cannot refute what I have written and presented numerous (extremely numerous) examples that almost ALL professional NFL experts, that have commented on Edmunds 100% disagree with the crap that the haters have put out….including YOU Cali…..NO ONE (NFL professionals) has said that Edmunds is “the worst MLB in the NFL”….along with many other smears and denigrating baloney.


NONE. NADA. ZILTH. ZERO.

And the haters are SOOOOO pissed that they cannot present any credible examples of NFL professionals that come close to agreeing with their extreme ****posting.

So, they are left with attacking means my posting style. (without looking in the mirror) What else is new. They cannot refute my argument, so they attack me.

I don’t give a flying **** if you attack me. It just shows your own hypocrisy and lack of ability to rebut the facts.

If you cannot tolerate the truthful observations of the lunatic ****posting directed at Edmunds, then put me on ignore. No one is forcing you to read my posts.

Obviously, you can’t help yourself. That’s your problem, not mine.

[Cali512]

BaaaaaWaaaaaWaaaaa.

Of course, you don’t provide a link to that conjured up “example", and NONE if it is a “name-calling” of any poster.

Good to see that you pay attention to what I write and have internalized my accurate observations.

Let’s go over the so-called (fake) “name calling” that is not “name calling” of an individual.....but all about their opinions, mindset and lack of judgment as compared to real, honest to goodness, professional NFL experts, and the dripping disdain of one of the critical core players of the Bills…..that shows a deep disrespect of the team and the team’s management.

"ROFL, everything you said is WRONG.(“not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wrong)”)” - that would be a criticism of what a poster has SAID, being “wrong”, not about the individual.

"These "bills fans" who put out this STUPID (“lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull, characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless, tediously dull, especially due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless, annoying or irritating; troublesome, in a state (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stupid) ”)
notion (”an opinion, view or belief (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/notion)”)....that Edmunds sucks are delusional” - again, this is criticism of the “notion”....and YES, the “notion” that Edmunds sucks are absolutely STUPID

….and “delusional” (“having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions, maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional)”)….again, a criticism of a mindset and lack of realistic observation.


It IS repulsive (“causing repugnance or aversion (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/repulsive)”) the HATE (“to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hate)”) [and make no mistake, some “fans” absolutely HATE Edmunds and their posts are dripping with the same]….that you so called bills fans have.


The disgusting (“causing disgust; offensive to the physical, moral, or aesthetic taste. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/disgusting)”) narrative (“a story or account of events, experiences, or the like, whether true or fictitious (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/narrative).”) has been rebutted (“to refute by evidence or argument, to oppose by contrary proof. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rebutted)”)by PROFESSIONALS (“following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/professional)”) including Beane and Frazier.


These stupid (see above for definition….which is spot on) posts are repulsive (“causing repugnance or aversion (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/repulsive)”) and lack (“deficiency or absence of something needed, desirable, or customary (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lack)”) any knowledge (“acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition, familiarity or conversance, as with a particular subject or branch of learning, awareness, as of a fact or circumstance (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/knowledge)”) of whats going on and the HATE is disgusting and lack credibility (“the quality of being believable or worthy of trust (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/credibility)”)"


Actually, you have neatly summarized exactly what the mindset and confused opinions of the Edmunds haters. Thanks for the verification and validation.


They can’t stand that I am SPOT ON, and they cannot refute what I have written and presented numerous (extremely numerous) examples that almost ALL professional NFL experts, that have commented on Edmunds 100% disagree with the crap that the haters have put out….including YOU Cali…..NO ONE (NFL professionals) has said that Edmunds is “the worst MLB in the NFL”….along with many other smears and denigrating baloney.


NONE. NADA. ZILTH. ZERO.

And the haters are SOOOOO pissed that they cannot present any credible examples of NFL professionals that come close to agreeing with their extreme ****posting.

So, they are left with attacking means my posting style. (without looking in the mirror) What else is new. They cannot refute my argument, so they attack me.

I don’t give a flying **** if you attack me. It just shows your own hypocrisy and lack of ability to rebut the facts.

If you cannot tolerate the truthful observations of the lunatic ****posting directed at Edmunds, then put me on ignore. No one is forcing you to read my posts.

Obviously, you can’t help yourself. That’s your problem, not mine.


Wow, i think you may be literally going insane. This is just, wtf wow

[Cali512]

BaaaaaWaaaaaWaaaaa.

Of course, you don’t provide a link to that conjured up “example", and NONE if it is a “name-calling” of any poster.

Good to see that you pay attention to what I write and have internalized my accurate observations.

Let’s go over the so-called (fake) “name calling” that is not “name calling” of an individual.....but all about their opinions, mindset and lack of judgment as compared to real, honest to goodness, professional NFL experts, and the dripping disdain of one of the critical core players of the Bills…..that shows a deep disrespect of the team and the team’s management.

"ROFL, everything you said is WRONG.(“not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wrong)”)” - that would be a criticism of what a poster has SAID, being “wrong”, not about the individual.

"These "bills fans" who put out this STUPID (“lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull, characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless, tediously dull, especially due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless, annoying or irritating; troublesome, in a state (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stupid) ”)
notion (”an opinion, view or belief (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/notion)”)....that Edmunds sucks are delusional” - again, this is criticism of the “notion”....and YES, the “notion” that Edmunds sucks are absolutely STUPID

….and “delusional” (“having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions, maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional)”)….again, a criticism of a mindset and lack of realistic observation.


It IS repulsive (“causing repugnance or aversion (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/repulsive)”) the HATE (“to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hate)”) [and make no mistake, some “fans” absolutely HATE Edmunds and their posts are dripping with the same]….that you so called bills fans have.


The disgusting (“causing disgust; offensive to the physical, moral, or aesthetic taste. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/disgusting)”) narrative (“a story or account of events, experiences, or the like, whether true or fictitious (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/narrative).”) has been rebutted (“to refute by evidence or argument, to oppose by contrary proof. (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rebutted)”)by PROFESSIONALS (“following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/professional)”) including Beane and Frazier.


These stupid (see above for definition….which is spot on) posts are repulsive (“causing repugnance or aversion (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/repulsive)”) and lack (“deficiency or absence of something needed, desirable, or customary (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lack)”) any knowledge (“acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition, familiarity or conversance, as with a particular subject or branch of learning, awareness, as of a fact or circumstance (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/knowledge)”) of whats going on and the HATE is disgusting and lack credibility (“the quality of being believable or worthy of trust (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/credibility)”)"


Actually, you have neatly summarized exactly what the mindset and confused opinions of the Edmunds haters. Thanks for the verification and validation.


They can’t stand that I am SPOT ON, and they cannot refute what I have written and presented numerous (extremely numerous) examples that almost ALL professional NFL experts, that have commented on Edmunds 100% disagree with the crap that the haters have put out….including YOU Cali…..NO ONE (NFL professionals) has said that Edmunds is “the worst MLB in the NFL”….along with many other smears and denigrating baloney.


NONE. NADA. ZILTH. ZERO.

And the haters are SOOOOO pissed that they cannot present any credible examples of NFL professionals that come close to agreeing with their extreme ****posting.

So, they are left with attacking means my posting style. (without looking in the mirror) What else is new. They cannot refute my argument, so they attack me.

I don’t give a flying **** if you attack me. It just shows your own hypocrisy and lack of ability to rebut the facts.

If you cannot tolerate the truthful observations of the lunatic ****posting directed at Edmunds, then put me on ignore. No one is forcing you to read my posts.

Obviously, you can’t help yourself. That’s your problem, not mine.


Question, do you think you do anything wrong or are you just perfect? I admit im wrong and apologize all the time because i have self awareness. Do you have any self awareness, nuance, or the ability to see when you take things to far?

[kgun12]

Question, do you think you do anything wrong or are you just perfect? I admit im wrong and apologize all the time because i have self awareness. Do you have any self awareness, nuance, or the ability to see when you take things to far?

I would say some of us are probably lucky addresses aren’t available! :lol:

[Cali512]

I would say some of us are probably lucky addresses aren’t available! :lol:

I just don't understand why he cant just say "maybe the way i talk is off putting, and i should word things better"


Ive said a lot of dumb **** on this forum and always apologize or explain why i said things the way i did. I try and be open about my lack of empathy or being impulsive

I literally made my sig to reflect that. "Im not here to be right, im here to have interesting conversations about my impulsive opinions"

I feel like everyone on here should live by that quote in a way

[kgun12]

I just don't understand why he cant just say "maybe the way i talk is off putting, and i should word things better"


Ive said a lot of dumb **** on this forum and always apologize or explain why i said things the way i did. I try and be open about my lack of empathy or being impulsive

I literally made my sig to reflect that. "Im not here to be right, im here to have interesting conversations about my impulsive opinions"

I feel like everyone on here should live by that quote in a way

Just look at the stadium thread, he’s getting a little concerning!

[jamze132]

They can’t stand that I am SPOT ON, and they cannot refute what I have written and presented numerous (extremely numerous) examples that almost ALL professional NFL experts, that have commented on Edmunds 100% disagree with the crap that the haters have put out….including YOU Cali…..NO ONE (NFL professionals) has said that Edmunds is “the worst MLB in the NFL”….along with many other smears and denigrating baloney.


NONE. NADA. ZILTH. ZERO.

And the haters are SOOOOO pissed that they cannot present any credible examples of NFL professionals that come close to agreeing with their extreme ****posting.

So, they are left with attacking means my posting style. (without looking in the mirror) What else is new. They cannot refute my argument, so they attack me.

I don’t give a flying **** if you attack me. It just shows your own hypocrisy and lack of ability to rebut the facts.

If you cannot tolerate the truthful observations of the lunatic ****posting directed at Edmunds, then put me on ignore. No one is forcing you to read my posts.

Obviously, you can’t help yourself. That’s your problem, not mine.

BS! Every time I mention Edmunds’ stats, you fail to respond. Tell me one (1) stat that we could look at and say it’s elite. Honestly tell me you’d rather have Edmunds at MLB vs Bobby Wagner.

And yes you do give a flying **** if someone attacks you :lmao: You're the most butthurt, most sensitive, and most disingenuous poster here…more specifically in the spin zone. Please!!!

[notacon]

Question, do you think you do anything wrong or are you just perfect? I admit im wrong and apologize all the time because i have self awareness. Do you have any self awareness, nuance, or the ability to see when you take things to far?
Baloney. You hardly ever "admit im wrong and apologize” or certainly no more than I do. You are one of the least self-aware posters here.

No, I do not think that I am “perfect” and admit when I am wrong. The trouble is that I am not “wrong” that much. And that pisses you (and other Edmunds haters) off so much.

The major premise that I put forward about two years ago, MAINLY in response to YOUR (and other haters) extreme vitriol bullcrap smearing Edmunds was that NO ONE in the professional NFL world agrees with your (and the other haters) crap.....I listed the ridiculous smears over and over and over and over again....and presented my opinion and NFL experts over and over and over and over again that was the polar opposite.

The haters pummeled me (as they are now) with more extreme silliness that I “don’t now anything about football”...and that I “don’t watch the games”...and on and on and on.

My big transgression????....listening and valuing the EXPERTS over a bunch of anonymous posters on a message board that have literally zero profession NFL experience. Well, too bad if I am smart enough to clue and listen to professionals hat know a lot more about NFL football than any of us here.
This article sums up the insanity of the Edmunds haters perfectly....


Why can’t Tremaine Edmunds win over Bills fans when he’s viewed as a special player outside of Buffalo? (https://theathletic.com/2875908/2021/10/08/why-cant-tremaine-edmunds-win-over-bills-fans-when-hes-viewed-as-a-special-player-outside-of-buffalo/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983)


Unfortunately, that epic thread I started with that article is gone in the crash from last year. That’s too bad because almost everything I wrote has been shown to be extremely accurate, and almost everything the haters said has been shown to be woefully inaccurate.

And NO ONE, has been able to come even close to refuting that premise.

And now, even in this thread, the garbage that the Edmunds haters have been pimping is being exposed as total bullcrap....when they said that Edmunds is “the worst MLB in the NFL”...."the worst LB in the NFL”....a “bust”....he “sucks”....thatthere was “no way he would be on the team (or should)” in 2022....amd on and on and on...


But, yet, the predictions here is that Edmunds will become one of the best paid LB’s n the NFL...


Sorry, but if Edmunds is SOOOOOOOOO terrible, he would not be one of the most prized FA this season. And the ONLY reason he may not re-wign with the Bills if because they CAN’T AFFORD HIM!!!!


Yeah....as I have said many times...”money talks and bullcrap walks”.

The haters bulcrap is about to walk into oblivion as the wrongheaded, dumb, silly baloney that is constantly PROVEN to be wrong (by the actions and what NFL experts and actual NFL professionals say and do over and over and over and over again).

When you admit that you were WRONG ALL the time about Edmunds over the past several years, and apologize, I will give you some credit for a sliver on integrity.

[notacon]

He is the only one here that gets away with name-calling without getting banned. The moderators, specifically DraftBoy, doesn't do his job evenly or properly.

:rofl: This is rich coming from you, one of the worst offenders in direct, insulting name-calling. Literally no other poster writes direct name-calling (NOT about opinions or posts....directly insulting posters in undeniable violation of TOS) than YOU.

You are so lacking in self-awareness and projecting your vitriol.

Not very long ago I noticed that you changed the message on your avatar to include a direct, TOS violating, despicable name-calling insult. I took a pic of it because I knew, eventually this would come up and needed the proof. I had to lobby the admin to do their job and either change it or have you change it.

Here is is....


19704


Real classy. :rolleyes:


In my over 10 years on this site, and many more previously at the Range, I have NEVER seen this kind of absurd name-calling.

You whining about other posters “name-calling” is like George Santos whining about someone else lying.

It takes a special kind of warped, sick, immature mindset to actually change their avatar in order to smear and name call another poster.

[notacon]

BS! Every time I mention Edmunds’ stats, you fail to respond. Tell me one (1) stat that we could look at and say it’s elite. Honestly tell me you’d rather have Edmunds at MLB vs Bobby Wagner.

And yes you do give a flying **** if someone attacks you You're the most butthurt, most sensitive, and most disingenuous poster here…more specifically in the spin zone. Please!!!
It’s easy to ignore your silly questions and posts. Plus, I have addressed the “stats” issue concerning Edmunds over and over and over and over again. It’s not my job to make sure you read them.

As for your shallow, trolling “Wagner vs Edmunds” question....it’s not relevant or serious since it does not recognize the reality of the situation facing the Bills this season and going forward.

I purposely ignored it because it’s not done in good faith, but rather a “gotcha” attempt. I’m not falling for your bullcrap.


But, since it seems SO important to you.....

The more important question is do YOU think that the Bills will let Edmunds walk and sign Bobby Wagner as a very short term solution for the HUGE hole of not having Edmunds on the team?!?!? Especially considering their cap situation????

And further, what then would be the long term plans for the LB position, taking into considering that Milano’s contract will be over after the 2024 season, as he enters his 31st year. And the depth behind both Milano and Edmunds is paper thin. With Bernard showing little promise to even get into a primary backup position, much less a starting role.

I believe that Brandon Beane and McDermott see Edmunds as a critical core defensive player that is one of the foundations of their defense and WANT EDMUNDS BACK BADLY (as they have said over and over and ever again) and will do everything they can to retain him....and are not seriously considering Bobby Wagner no matter what happens to Tremaine.


No, it’s not a simple question of “do you want Wagner or Edmunds for next season” and trying to frame it like that is silly.

[notacon]

Oh....BTW....my preference would be to re-sign the 24 year old Tremaine Edmunds, with five years experience and excellent performances in those five years, with him improving every year and with more room to grow, with five to seven more years of prime football age ahead of him over....


Signing the (soon to be) 33 year old Bobby Wagner to a year or two year short term “fix” who has probably seen his best years behind him and let him play out his illustrious career somewhere else.


It’s pretty telling that the LA Rams let him go after just one year of signing him to a five year contract. They are taking a $7.5M dead cap hit for him to play on another team. Mainly to avoid paying the $3.5M guaranteed if he is on the roster on March 20, 2023 and the #12.5M cap hit he represented for 2023 if he stayed.

[Cali512]

Did anyone put any money on "extreme vitriol bullcrap"


Looks like someone got into the ol Thesaurus. I wouldnt of put any money on that one. Guess i gotta add it to the list

Btw notty, when someone asks you to show a stat (which youve never done), maybe dig deep inside that beautiful head of yours and find that information instead of mocking them for even asking the question. Weve gone through this so many times, if you have the information show it. I know edmunds stats from the last 3 years by heart because i've researched it a million times. By now, you should too.

I know you have this mindset that your above everyone else and superior to everyone, but it just never helps your credibility


Cue the "ROFL, you have NO CLUE what your talking about. Your VILE and HATE spew from every line to write and cant ADMIT that your wrong and im right" and yaddy yaddy yah

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Did anyone put any money on "extreme vitriol bullcrap"


Looks like someone got into the ol Thesaurus. I wouldnt of put any money on that one. Guess i gotta add it to the list

Btw notty, when someone asks you to show a stat (which youve never done), maybe dig deep inside that beautiful head of yours and find that information instead of mocking them for even asking the question. Weve gone through this so many times, if you have the information show it. I know edmunds stats from the last 3 years by heart because i've researched it a million times. By now, you should too.

I know you have this mindset that your above everyone else and superior to everyone, but it just never helps your credibility


Cue the "ROFL, you have NO CLUE what your talking about. Your VILE and HATE spew from every line to write and cant ADMIT that your wrong and im right" and yaddy yaddy yah

[Cali512]

Notice how calm im talking to you right now? Your keyboard yelling at us while half are just talking normally. Go through the pages and see how everyone else approaches people while yours sticks out as loud and entitled

I even countless times this season said "Edmunds has improved". Which i noticed you never responded to. You intentionally only respond to things you disagree with to get your little keyboard high

[Mr. Pink]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

BUST

[Woodman]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

BUST

Is he as good as outta here?

[Cali512]

Poll time kids!


Notty




"Blockhead, Stupid, disgusting, putrid, laughable, hater, delusional, idiotic, repulsive, childish, immature, Troll, dishonest, ridiculous, unintelligent, extreme vitriol bullcrap"


Swiper


"Clueless dolt"




Thank if you think nottys is worse, comment if you think swipers is worse

[Woodman]

Who does he sign with, when, and for how much?

Ravens as soon as possible. 17 mill per.

[Woodman]

$18 million a year average. Wouldn't be surprised if it was $20+

No idea with who. I think his market will be strong.

20 seems too high but who the hell know's.

[Ed]

Ravens as soon as possible. 17 mill per.
The Ravens just gave Roquan Smith a 5 yr $100 mil deal. That's probably the last team that's going to pursue Edmunds.

[Woodman]

The Ravens just gave Roquan Smith a 5 yr $100 mil deal. That's probably the last team that's going to pursue Edmunds.
oops forgot about that deal.

[jamze132]

It’s easy to ignore your silly questions and posts. Plus, I have addressed the “stats” issue concerning Edmunds over and over and over and over again. It’s not my job to make sure you read them.

As for your shallow, trolling “Wagner vs Edmunds” question....it’s not relevant or serious since it does not recognize the reality of the situation facing the Bills this season and going forward.

I purposely ignored it because it’s not done in good faith, but rather a “gotcha” attempt. I’m not falling for your bullcrap.


But, since it seems SO important to you.....

The more important question is do YOU think that the Bills will let Edmunds walk and sign Bobby Wagner as a very short term solution for the HUGE hole of not having Edmunds on the team?!?!? Especially considering their cap situation????

And further, what then would be the long term plans for the LB position, taking into considering that Milano’s contract will be over after the 2024 season, as he enters his 31st year. And the depth behind both Milano and Edmunds is paper thin. With Bernard showing little promise to even get into a primary backup position, much less a starting role.

I believe that Brandon Beane and McDermott see Edmunds as a critical core defensive player that is one of the foundations of their defense and WANT EDMUNDS BACK BADLY (as they have said over and over and ever again) and will do everything they can to retain him....and are not seriously considering Bobby Wagner no matter what happens to Tremaine.


No, it’s not a simple question of “do you want Wagner or Edmunds for next season” and trying to frame it like that is silly.

So tell me one (1) stat where Edmunds stands out amongst his peers. I’ll wait…

And the question as to who you would rather have this next season isn’t a “gotcha moment” that you’re so paranoid about. Anyone who watches football would rather have a 33 yr old Wagner at MLB than the 24 year old Edmunds. If the Bills decide to put Edmunds on the outside, I’d be all for resigning him. But he doesn’t stand out in any area at MLB and there probably aren’t too many teams that will sign him for $15m per to play MLB. Stats don’t lie.

What do I think about the LB future of the Bills? I’d love to have Edmunds and Milano on the outside with a true MLB. We need to draft LBs because our depth sucks as we can’t afford to buy them right now. I know Bobby Wagner is a pipe dream, just like Derek Henry, but it doesn’t mean we can’t dream about what our team would look like with one of them out there. Bobby > Tremaine at MLB in every conceivable way. Even you can’t dispute that, honestly.

[jamze132]

Notice how calm im talking to you right now? Your keyboard yelling at us while half are just talking normally. Go through the pages and see how everyone else approaches people while yours sticks out as loud and entitled

I even countless times this season said "Edmunds has improved". Which i noticed you never responded to. You intentionally only respond to things you disagree with to get your little keyboard high

He cherry picks his arguments.

[kgun12]

He cherry picks his arguments.

Sometimes it’s hard for him to find the “experts” to cut and paste that agree with his point of view!

[Cali512]

Sometimes it’s hard for him to find the “experts” to cut and paste that agree with his point of view!



Trusting our coaches to give serious criticism of edmunds is like trusting pharmaceutical companies to tell you the truth about their medicine.

Which is probably a soft spot for him also im assuming

[jamze132]

Crickets

[swiper]

:rofl: This is rich coming from you, one of the worst offenders in direct, insulting name-calling. Literally no other poster writes direct name-calling (NOT about opinions or posts....directly insulting posters in undeniable violation of TOS) than YOU.

You are so lacking in self-awareness and projecting your vitriol.

Not very long ago I noticed that you changed the message on your avatar to include a direct, TOS violating, despicable name-calling insult. I took a pic of it because I knew, eventually this would come up and needed the proof. I had to lobby the admin to do their job and either change it or have you change it.

Here is is....


19704


Real classy. :rolleyes:


In my over 10 years on this site, and many more previously at the Range, I have NEVER seen this kind of absurd name-calling.

You whining about other posters “name-calling” is like George Santos whining about someone else lying.


Nothing you post is every right or worthwile. Go away. Forever.


It takes a special kind of warped, sick, immature mindset to actually change their avatar in order to smear and name call another poster.

Look in the mirror, Einstein, because you just did it again.

[kgun12]

So I’m guessing Frazier’s leaving has something to do with Edmunds staying or going. Either McBeane wanted to keep him and Frazier didn’t or the other way around? We will probably never know but the timing was just odd. If he knew he wanted some time off, you’d like he would have left right after the season so the Bills could go after the top DC’s. The only other explanation is Frazier or a family member is ill, but I think they would have just said that. Again, just guessing, but I think Edmunds is involved.

[notacon]

Sometimes it’s hard for him to find the “experts” to cut and paste that agree with his point of view!

Actually, it’s VERY easy....especially when it comes to Edmunds. And I have posted them over and over and over again. What is the response from the haters??? The experts don't know what they are talking about, and only the so-called “fans” here are the real experts. :rofl: What baloney.

What is extremely hard (actually, almost impossible) if for the haters to come up with ANY “expert” that agrees with the vitriolic baloney heaped on Edmunds. I have asked for example for years now....and....nothing. BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE!!!!!

Yeah....we have a perfect example right here in the thread of the knuckle-headed, absurd, silly crap that NO ONE (outside confused ignorant “fans”) have come close to saying (because it is 100% FALE)....



Good riddance to bad rubbish.

BUST

I get it. No one can come close to refuting my premises about Edmunds....NOT EVEN CLOSE...EVER....so, you whine and cry about the words I use and how MEAN I am!! :rofl:


Go running home to mommy if you can’t take the heat.


You guys can wallow in your hatred. I don’t give a flying ****.

[Woodman]

So I’m guessing Frazier’s leaving has something to do with Edmunds staying or going. Either McBeane wanted to keep him and Frazier didn’t or the other way around? We will probably never know but the timing was just odd. If he knew he wanted some time off, you’d like he would have left right after the season so the Bills could go after the top DC’s. The only other explanation is Frazier or a family member is ill, but I think they would have just said that. Again, just guessing, but I think Edmunds is involved.
Definitely a possibility ..... fingers crossed that all of whatever this is benefits the team!

Always :gobills:

[Woodman]

Crickets


19706

The Best Cricket Ever!!

[sukie]

Has anyone polled 50 experts since 2021 preseason?

[notacon]

So I’m guessing Frazier’s leaving has something to do with Edmunds staying or going. Either McBeane wanted to keep him and Frazier didn’t or the other way around? We will probably never know but the timing was just odd. If he knew he wanted some time off, you’d like he would have left right after the season so the Bills could go after the top DC’s. The only other explanation is Frazier or a family member is ill, but I think they would have just said that. Again, just guessing, but I think Edmunds is involved.

My last post on this thread because it’s (as usual) devolving into a farce when the haters have the knives out….this post was just too absurd to ignore.

Professional sports media people that are much more in tune with what is going on inside the Bills organization because they actually have relationships with the people inside the building and have their finger on the pulse of what is going on within the NFL because it is THEIR JOB and PROFESSION....

An article from Tim Graham of The Athletic (I posted other parts of this stellar, well informed intelligent article on the absurd “Fire Frazier” thread (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/262385-Fire-Frazier?p=5008003&viewfull=1#post5008003), shows how unlikely (and I believe narrow minded silliness borne from an absurd hatred of Tremaine Edmunds)....


Graham: Why Bills fans got their fickle wish with Leslie Frazier’s exit (https://theathletic.com/4271878/2023/03/03/buffalo-bills-leslie-frazier-2/)



We’re left with questions over Frazier’s need for a sabbatical and the timing of his decision.


The revelation created a buzz in Indianapolis, where folks wondered if the Bills merely decided to part ways and concocted a tale so the classy Frazier could save face.

That conspiracy doesn’t add up. Beane said Frazier still would be Buffalo’s defensive coordinator if Frazier didn’t want time away and that there was no knowledge of any health-related issues.

I don’t believe Frazier would lie either. In a text to NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport (https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1630586112748945409?s=20), Frazier said he was “just taking a break.”

This isn’t a ruse.

A sensible explanation is that Frazier is beaten down after a grueling season followed by frustrations over a lack of opportunities to be a head coach again.

He will be 64 next month and must be wondering what else there is to prove.

Over the past two seasons, the Bills have allowed a 17.4 points a game and 4.8 yards a play — both the NFL’s lowest — and collected the third-most takeaways. A year ago, the Pro Football Writers of America gave Frazier its Paul “Dr. Z” Zimmerman Award for lifetime achievement as an assistant coach.

Last summer, Frazier lamented how long he has had to wait for a second chance to run a team. Frazier told the “AP Pro Football” podcast his quest had been “discouraging in some ways.” He called the way defensive-minded coaches often are stigmatized “unfortunate” and “narrow-minded.”

….snip….

In addition, the Bills and Western New York endured so much heartache during the past nine months.

Frazier was the one who led the Bills in prayer when the entire team showed up at the East Side supermarket where a racist gunman killed 10 people and injured three others in May. Bills co-owner Kim Pegula suffered brain damage after a cardiac arrest (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/jessica-pegula-tennis) in June and continues to recover. A November blizzard forced the Bills to play three road games in 12 days (https://theathletic.com/3960445/2022/12/02/bills-patriots-win-thursday-night-football/). A Christmas snowstorm caused 44 deaths in Erie and Niagara Counties. Children ages 2, 4, 7, 8 and 10 died in a LaSalle neighborhood house fire on New Year’s Eve.

On Jan. 2, safety Damar Hamlin’s heart stopped against the Cincinnati Bengals (https://theathletic.com/4053094/2023/01/02/bills-bengals-damar-hamlin-collapses/) and he almost died on the field. Hamlin’s life remained in the balance for two days. The NFL schedule slogged on anyway (https://theathletic.com/4063057/2023/01/06/damar-hamlin-bills-week-18/).

Nobody should blame Frazier for needing a system reset.

more...

Mr. Graham also details the disappointment of being passed over for a head coaching position in the NFL.

In any event, putting forward the idea that a “Frazier’s leaving has something to do with Edmunds staying or going” is so myopically absurd and shows a deep misunderstanding…well….just about everything concerning the dynamic within the Bills staff and who what they think of Edmunds.


I mean…..you really believe that Frazier left because of a LB?!?!?!! :rofl:

You have just (once again) 100% vindicated and validated my premise about how confused and, frankly, obsessed some “fans” are with their all-consuming and burning HATRED of one player….who just happens to be one of the core foundations of the defense…McDermott’s defense.


As Mr. Graham cited in another part of his article, "Much of the fan reaction was pathetic.”. This “guess” of why Frazier left is pathetic as well.<o:p></o:p>

[Mr. Pink]

I get it. No one can come close to refuting my premises about Edmunds....NOT EVEN CLOSE...EVER....so, you whine and cry about the words I use and how MEAN I am!! :rofl:


Go running home to mommy if you can’t take the heat.


You guys can wallow in your hatred. I don’t give a flying ****.

You don't get it.

Talent evaluators around the league are enamored with and salivate over his physical abilities. He'll have a place in this league, at a ridiculous pay, until his physical abilities decline. Everyone will think they can teach him the mental side of the game and once they do, watch out, Edmunds will be the next great linebacker.

Except it should be obvious to everyone by now that he won't learn the mental side of the game. He won't learn how to evade blockers, he won't learn how not to just run into a blocker, he won't learn how to shed blocking, he won't learn better angles, he won't learn how to cover a running back out of the backfield.

Put together all the deficiencies in his game which are many with the fact we traded up to acquire him. We took a LB in round 1 who is easily replaceable and not a difference maker. You draft players in round 1 to be franchise cornerstones not just some average mediocre guy. Edmunds is some average mediocre guy. And that is why he is a bust and will always be a bust.

Go parrot Joe B's opinion of the guy some more because it's obvious you've never watched Edmunds play and even when you were shown plays of what Edmunds regularly does, you likely didn't even watch them.

[kgun12]

Definitely a possibility ..... fingers crossed that all of whatever this is benefits the team!

Always :gobills:

As much as I would like an outsider to infuse some new blood into the defenses, it probably to late seeing the best choices are gone, I think Bobby Babich is probably next and my choice at this point at least as the interim.

[sukie]

Timing wasn’t odd. Frazier not fired in hopes of landing a gig elsewhere giving Buffalo 2 thirds two years later… no takers so this “year off” came about so when he returns he doesn’t have a fired stain on his resume and the sting of 2 playoff (fart noise) is a year removed.

taking a year off… why? What is gonna be solved in 1 season off?

total favor and face save move by both the Bills and Frazier.

Bills don’t have to be seen as firing a coach after 13-3 season (insert minority card here if you wish)

[kgun12]

Timing wasn’t odd. Frazier not fired in hopes of landing a gig elsewhere giving Buffalo 2 thirds two years later… no takers so this “year off” came about so when he returns he doesn’t have a fired stain on his resume and the sting of 2 playoff (fart noise) is a year removed.

taking a year off… why? What is gonna be solved in 1 season off?

total favor and face save move by both the Bills and Frazier.

Bills don’t have to be seen as firing a coach after 13-3 season (insert minority card here if you wish)

All good points, for sure especially the last line about firing him and the minority angle, both would have been an issue.

[Cali512]

You don't get it.

Talent evaluators around the league are enamored with and salivate over his physical abilities. He'll have a place in this league, at a ridiculous pay, until his physical abilities decline. Everyone will think they can teach him the mental side of the game and once they do, watch out, Edmunds will be the next great linebacker.

Except it should be obvious to everyone by now that he won't learn the mental side of the game. He won't learn how to evade blockers, he won't learn how not to just run into a blocker, he won't learn how to shed blocking, he won't learn better angles, he won't learn how to cover a running back out of the backfield.

Put together all the deficiencies in his game which are many with the fact we traded up to acquire him. We took a LB in round 1 who is easily replaceable and not a difference maker. You draft players in round 1 to be franchise cornerstones not just some average mediocre guy. Edmunds is some average mediocre guy. And that is why he is a bust and will always be a bust.

Go parrot Joe B's opinion of the guy some more because it's obvious you've never watched Edmunds play and even when you were shown plays of what Edmunds regularly does, you likely didn't even watch them.



When you start only listening to the "experts" instead of using your own common sense, you end up with the OJ trial

[Cali512]

All good points, for sure especially the last line about firing him and the minority angle, both would have been an issue.


yeah im pretty sure he was fired

next year well probably here one of these narratives

"Leslie Frazier after taking a year off, has decided to retire from the nfl"

"Bills and Frazier parting ways due to the bills wanting to keep continuity with their new DC"

"Frazier is deciding to take the ____ DC job to build his own defense in order to gain HC steam"

[kgun12]

You don't get it.

Talent evaluators around the league are enamored with and salivate over his physical abilities. He'll have a place in this league, at a ridiculous pay, until his physical abilities decline. Everyone will think they can teach him the mental side of the game and once they do, watch out, Edmunds will be the next great linebacker.

Except it should be obvious to everyone by now that he won't learn the mental side of the game. He won't learn how to evade blockers, he won't learn how not to just run into a blocker, he won't learn how to shed blocking, he won't learn better angles, he won't learn how to cover a running back out of the backfield.

Put together all the deficiencies in his game which are many with the fact we traded up to acquire him. We took a LB in round 1 who is easily replaceable and not a difference maker. You draft players in round 1 to be franchise cornerstones not just some average mediocre guy. Edmunds is some average mediocre guy. And that is why he is a bust and will always be a bust.

Go parrot Joe B's opinion of the guy some more because it's obvious you've never watched Edmunds play and even when you were shown plays of what Edmunds regularly does, you likely didn't even watch them.

Great analysis of Edmunds, anyone that watches other linebacker play can easily see what you’re saying. I seem to remember a quarterback that was pretty much laughed out of the league for running into the a$$ of his linemen, but if you watch Edmunds he does this at least 2-3 a game. It would be laughable if he was on another team!

[jamze132]

Still waiting for notty to debate Edmunds’ stats with me. It gets REAL quiet every time I bring it up…