Quasi-Rumor: Lavonte David and Bills [Archive] - BillsZone.com

DraftBoy

03-12-2023, 09:57 AM

Per ESPN Last Minute Free Agency Buzz one fit that is getting whispered about is the Bills and LB Lavonte David.
Presumably this would be the replacement for Edmunds. David is a classic Cover 2 LB with good range and great instincts. He is older and the contract would be key here.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/35820389/nfl-free-agency-trade-buzz-latest-aaron-rodgers-lamar-jackson-free-agent-sleepers

Article is on ESPN+ so it’s paywall protected.

YardRat

03-12-2023, 10:59 AM

Wouldn't hate it...depending on the contract...but I'd rather go younger.

kgun12

03-12-2023, 11:14 AM

Wouldn't hate it...depending on the contract...but I'd rather go younger.

Me too, if we are going in this direction I’d rather have Wagner, David’s production went down this past season. But I would rather have T. J. Edwards!

Turf

03-12-2023, 11:35 AM

I'd rather have Wagner too.

DraftBoy

03-12-2023, 11:35 AM

David is far more likely to be in our price range than Wagner or Edwards.

kgun12

03-12-2023, 11:59 AM

David is far more likely to be in our price range than Wagner or Edwards.

What kind of money do you think these three are going to get?

Woodman

03-12-2023, 01:00 PM

What kind of money do you think these three are going to get?

Great question!!

notacon

03-12-2023, 01:26 PM

Wouldn't hate it...depending on the contract...but I'd rather go younger.

So would I. Which is why extending Edmunds (for the right money....like Joe B. projects (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/262716-Restructures-and-other-cap-related-roster-moves?p=5009538&viewfull=1#post5009538), $16M APY with a $7.92M 2023 cap hit would be a no-brainer and the smart move.

Lavonte David would be an expensive band-aid and Edmunds was better than his last season, and still have upside....David is on the downside of his career.

I know you don’t agree, but as we are going to see in the next couple of weeks, Tremaine Edmunds is going to be a hot commodity and IS going to become one of the highest paid off-ball LB’s in the NFL, as he deserves.

Money talks and bullcrap walks. The money is going to do the talking.

03-12-2023, 01:33 PM

I was hopeful for an Edmunds extension, but that feels like it's not going to happen at this point.

David would make a lot of sense as a short term vet replacement. Tampa has the worst cap situation and no QB. They're probably looking at a pretty bad year. David has been really durable, a consistent performer and would fit in well. For how much they put on that MLB position, I could see McD really wanting a player like David for that role.

Turf

03-12-2023, 04:43 PM

There's no way I'm tying up 17mil on a LB whose success depends on everyone around him. He's never taken over a game. He's a great compliment to this defense but not 17mil worth on his own.

YardRat

03-12-2023, 04:48 PM

So would I. Which is why extending Edmunds (for the right money....like Joe B. projects (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/262716-Restructures-and-other-cap-related-roster-moves?p=5009538&viewfull=1#post5009538), $16M APY with a $7.92M 2023 cap hit would be a no-brainer and the smart move.

Lavonte David would be an expensive band-aid and Edmunds was better than his last season, and still have upside....David is on the downside of his career.

I know you don’t agree, but as we are going to see in the next couple of weeks, Tremaine Edmunds is going to be a hot commodity and IS going to become one of the highest paid off-ball LB’s in the NFL, as he deserves.

Money talks and bullcrap walks. The money is going to do the talking.

I agree he's going to be a hot commodity.
I also agree he's going to make some bank.

I don't agree he deserves it, however, and hope it's not us that backs up the Brinks Truck.

If I were a GM of a poor-middling team with a ton of cap space I'd throw money at him, but I'd move to him to edge in more of a Von Miller-type role.

kingJofNYC

03-12-2023, 06:09 PM

David can still play, I wish we drafted him when he came out. Never fell more in love with a player, 2nd round too, ridiculous.

DraftBoy

03-12-2023, 08:14 PM

What kind of money do you think these three are going to get?

Sportrac has the market values at:
Edmunds - $11.9M/yr
Edwards - $11.9M/yr
David - $9.7M/yr

Wagner was on a 5 year $50M contract.

The article I posted referenced that Edmunds may try and push the market and ask for around $20M/yr, Edwards will likely go in the mid teens I'd bet. Wagner and David could be closer, but I think you can get David at sub $8M per year where you probably need to be close to $10M for Wagner.

kgun12

03-12-2023, 08:35 PM

Sportrac has the market values at:
Edmunds - $11.9M/yr
Edwards - $11.9M/yr
David - $9.7M/yr

Wagner was on a 5 year $50M contract.

The article I posted referenced that Edmunds may try and push the market and ask for around $20M/yr, Edwards will likely go in the mid teens I'd bet. Wagner and David could be closer, but I think you can get David at sub $8M per year where you probably need to be close to $10M for Wagner.

I’d be happy with Wagner at $10 million for two years, but I’d go hard after Edwards before Edmunds signs and inflates the market.

DraftBoy

03-13-2023, 02:55 AM

I’d be happy with Wagner at $10 million for two years, but I’d go hard after Edwards before Edmunds signs and inflates the market.

Cowboys are reportedly the team all over Wagner, so you would have to outbid them.

jamze132

03-13-2023, 05:17 AM

So would I. Which is why extending Edmunds (for the right money....like Joe B. projects (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/262716-Restructures-and-other-cap-related-roster-moves?p=5009538&viewfull=1#post5009538), $16M APY with a $7.92M 2023 cap hit would be a no-brainer and the smart move.

Lavonte David would be an expensive band-aid and Edmunds was better than his last season, and still have upside....David is on the downside of his career.

I know you don’t agree, but as we are going to see in the next couple of weeks, Tremaine Edmunds is going to be a hot commodity and IS going to become one of the highest paid off-ball LB’s in the NFL, as he deserves.

Money talks and bullcrap walks. The money is going to do the talking.

I don’t think anyone here disputes he won’t get paid…but the rest of us believe he’ll be moved outside.

YardRat

03-13-2023, 05:25 AM

Cowboys are reportedly the team all over Wagner, so you would have to outbid them.

That's a little surprising considering they've already got Clark in the wings to replace Vander Esch.

kgun12

03-13-2023, 11:58 AM

That's a little surprising considering they've already got Clark in the wings to replace Vander Esch.

Jerry Jones always want the shiny new toy!

kgun12

03-13-2023, 01:27 PM

Sportrac has the market values at:
Edmunds - $11.9M/yr
Edwards - $11.9M/yr
David - $9.7M/yr

Wagner was on a 5 year $50M contract.

The article I posted referenced that Edmunds may try and push the market and ask for around $20M/yr, Edwards will likely go in the mid teens I'd bet. Wagner and David could be closer, but I think you can get David at sub $8M per year where you probably need to be close to $10M for Wagner.

Not nearly as much as you thought, this might be the deal of FA.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Bears have agreed to terms on a contract with T.J. Edwards. It is reportedly a three-year deal worth $19.5 million with $12 million in guaranteed money.

DraftBoy

03-13-2023, 01:54 PM

Not nearly as much as you thought, this might be the deal of FA.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Bears have agreed to terms on a contract with T.J. Edwards. It is reportedly a three-year deal worth $19.5 million with $12 million in guaranteed money.

Wow…that seems like a steal. Shame we couldn’t get in on that.

kgun12

03-13-2023, 01:55 PM

Wow…that seems like a steal. Shame we couldn’t get in on that.

For sure would have been a great replacement for Edmunds and saved us a lot of money and an upgrade.

DraftBoy

03-13-2023, 02:00 PM

For sure would have been a great replacement for Edmunds and saved us a lot of money and an upgrade.

Well the Bengals resigned Pratt for 3 years and $21 million. Two off the ball LB's going for $6.5-$7M per year could hurt Edmunds market. If he comes back cheaply enough, I'm not opposed to resigning him. He looked improved last year and with a new DC who knows if he could reach his full potential.

Forward_Lateral

03-13-2023, 02:01 PM

I don't think Tremaine is going to get what he thought on the open market. Not when guys better than him are signing for those numbers

kgun12

03-13-2023, 02:04 PM

Well the Bengals resigned Pratt for 3 years and $21 million. Two off the ball LB's going for $6.5-$7M per year could hurt Edmunds market. If he comes back cheaply enough, I'm not opposed to resigning him. He looked improved last year and with a new DC who knows if he could reach his full potential.

This scares me, maybe it drops all there prices and we can sign Wagner. I really can’t stand the thought of watch Edmunds for 4 more years.

DraftBoy

03-13-2023, 02:06 PM

This scares me, maybe it drops all there prices and we can sign Wagner.

As long as they add a starting caliber LB then I'm good. We can't just lose Edmunds and replace him with an average LB.

kgun12

03-13-2023, 02:09 PM

As long as they add a starting caliber LB then I'm good. We can't just lose Edmunds and replace him with an average LB.

I edited my post after this one. I really can’t stand the thought of watching him anymore. I really haven’t disliked any player this much ever.

jamze132

03-14-2023, 05:05 AM

As long as they add a starting caliber LB then I'm good. We can't just lose Edmunds and replace him with an average LB.

Sure we can AND have the same results. Edmunds was at best, an average MLB in a 4-3. If he gets moved to the edge in Chicago, he might live up to his huge contract v

Woodman

03-14-2023, 06:15 AM

As long as they add a starting caliber LB then I'm good. We can't just lose Edmunds and replace him with an average LB.

Maybe today :idunno:

notacon

03-14-2023, 01:59 PM

I don't think Tremaine is going to get what he thought on the open market. Not when guys better than him are signing for those numbers
That did not age well.

The report was that Edmunds asking price was $17M APY (too rich for the Bills)....Chicago heard that and said...”how about $18M”!!!

Forward_Lateral

03-14-2023, 03:09 PM

That did not age well.

The report was that Edmunds asking price was $17M APY (too rich for the Bills)....Chicago heard that and said...”how about $18M”!!!

Good for him. Way too much money, but it's not mine so I don't care

Woodman

03-14-2023, 05:20 PM

Maybe today :idunno:
Tomorrow? :idunno:

Mace

03-14-2023, 05:37 PM

As long as they add a starting caliber LB then I'm good. We can't just lose Edmunds and replace him with an average LB.

Need a guy the clenched McDermott will be ok with calling the defense signals. Won't be a rookie...can't be a scrub.

We'll get outbid for Wagner....I'm thinking David.

POTLAND PSILBYLO

03-14-2023, 06:26 PM

Yeah, clenched McDermott

swiper

03-14-2023, 06:44 PM

I don't think Tremaine is going to get what he thought on the open market. Not when guys better than him are signing for those numbers

Oh he got that and then some.

TigerJ

03-14-2023, 08:31 PM

Ideally, you want to fill holes with young players who can be expected to be around for multiple years. Unfortunately, young players that are known to be good are normally expensive and, as we all know, Beane is on a tight budget this off season. Buffalo has enough holes to fill that some if not all of them will have to be value signings. Conner McGovern was an example of that. LaVonte David isn't exactly a value signing, but his age will give Buffalo a bit of a discount over a younger player of similar ability.