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DraftBoy
04-25-2023, 07:06 AM
Welcome to the inaugural BZ Mock Draft challenge. This idea is taken from The Huddle Report who has been scoring mock draft from draft analysts for over a decade now.

The rules are simple:
-Post a first round mock draft into this thread by the time the Carolina Panthers officially go on the clock on Thursday night
-It's your first round mock draft so if you think there will be a trade then feel free to project it
-Please post your mock draft is the following format: Pick Number, Team Name - Position, Player Name (Ex. 1. Carolina - QB Bryce Young)
-Each pick can earn up to 4 points

The scoring system:
1 Point - Team is projected to correct draft slot
1 Point - Team selects the position (QB, RB, DE, etc.) that you mock
2 Points - Team selects the player you mock

Example:
Mock - 1. Carolina - QB Bryce Young
Draft - 1. Carolina - QB Bryce Young
Score: 4 Points - Draft Slot (1), Position (1), and Player (2)

Example 2:
Mock - 2. Houston - QB CJ Stroud
Draft - 2. Houston - QB Anthony Richardson
Score: 2 Points - Draft Slot (1), Position (1)

The winner will get a year of bragging rights for having the best mock in the BZ. Maybe if we're feeling fancy we'll even create a badge for you to show off to all your friends and family.

With that said, happy mocking!

DraftBoy
04-26-2023, 07:19 AM
For Submission:
1) Carolina Panthers – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
2) Houston Texans – QB CJ Stroud, Ohio State
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – QB Will Levis, Kentucky
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – EDGE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – DT Jalen Carter, Georgia
7) Las Vegas Raiders – QB Anthony Richardson, Florida
8) Atlanta Falcons – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – CB Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – EDGE Nolan Smith, UGA
11) Tennessee Titans – OT Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
14) New England Patriots – TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) – OT Broderick Jones, UGA
16) Washington Commanders – CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State
18) Detroit Lions – EDGE Myles Murphy, Clemson
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee
20) Seattle Seahawks – CB Joey Porter Jr, Penn State
21) Los Angeles Chargers – DT Calijah Kancy
22) Baltimore Ravens – RB Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama
23) Minnesota Vikings – QB Hendon Hooker, Tennessee
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – CB Deonte Banks, Maryland
25) New York Giants – WR Zay Flowers, Boston College
26) Dallas Cowboys – DL Bryan Bresee, Clemson
27) Buffalo Bills – TE Darnell Washington, UGA
28) Cincinnati Bengals – TE Michael Mayer, Notre Dame
29) New Orleans Saints – EDGE Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
30) Philadelphia Eagles – WR Quentin Johnston, TCU
31) Kansas City Chiefs – EDGE Keion White, Georgia Tech

swiper
04-26-2023, 10:53 AM
For Submission:
1) Carolina Panthers – QB Will Levis, Kentucky
2) Houston Texans – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – QB CJ Stroud, Ohio State
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – EDGE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – DT Jalen Carter, Georgia
7) Las Vegas Raiders – CB Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
8) Atlanta Falcons – QB Anthony Richardson, Florida
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – EDGE Nolan Smith, UGA
11) Tennessee Titans – OT Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
14) New England Patriots – S Brian Branch, Alabama
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) – OT Broderick Jones, UGA
16) Washington Commanders – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State
18) Detroit Lions – TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee (over DE Myles Murphy)
20) Seattle Seahawks – DE Myles Murphy, Clemson
21) Los Angeles Chargers – TE Michael Mayer, Notre Dame
22) Baltimore Ravens – WR Jordan Addison, USC
23) Minnesota Vikings – WR Zay Flowers, Boston College
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – CB Deonte Banks, Maryland
25) New York Giants – WR Quentin Johnston, TCU
26) Dallas Cowboys – DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh
27) Buffalo Bills – G O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida
28) Cincinnati Bengals – TE Darnell Washington, UGA
29) New Orleans Saints – CB Emmanuel Forbes, Mississippi State
30) Philadelphia Eagles – EDGE Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
31) Kansas City Chiefs – OT Anton Harrison, Oklahoma

POTLAND PSILBYLO
04-26-2023, 12:19 PM
Welcome to the inaugural BZ Mock Draft challenge. This idea is taken from The Huddle Report who has been scoring mock draft from draft analysts for over a decade now.

The rules are simple:
-Post a first round mock draft into this thread by the time the Carolina Panthers officially go on the clock on Thursday night
-It's your first round mock draft so if you think there will be a trade then feel free to project it
-Please post your mock draft is the following format: Pick Number, Team Name - Position, Player Name (Ex. 1. Carolina - QB Bryce Young)
-Each pick can earn up to 4 points

The scoring system:
1 Point - Team is projected to correct draft slot
1 Point - Team selects the position (QB, RB, DE, etc.) that you mock
2 Points - Team selects the player you mock

Example:
Mock - 1. Carolina - QB Bryce Young
Draft - 1. Carolina - QB Bryce Young
Score: 4 Points - Draft Slot (1), Position (1), and Player (2)

Example 2:
Mock - 2. Houston - QB CJ Stroud
Draft - 2. Houston - QB Anthony Richardson
Score: 2 Points - Draft Slot (1), Position (1)

The winner will get a year of bragging rights for having the best mock in the BZ. Maybe if we're feeling fancy we'll even create a badge for you to show off to all your friends and family.

With that said, happy mocking!

What about worst mock? It’s still a competition.

YardRat
04-26-2023, 06:27 PM
For Submission:

1) Carolina Panthers – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
2) Houston Texans – QB CJ Stroud, Ohio State
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – QB A. Richardson, Florida
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – EDGE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – CB C.Gonzalez, Oregon
7) Las Vegas Raiders – CB D. Weatherspoon, Illinois
8) Atlanta Falcons – Edge N.Smith, Georgia
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – OT P.Johnson, Ohio State
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – DT J.Carter, Georgia
11) Tennessee Titans – QB Will Levis, Kentucky
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – DE M. Murphy, Clemson
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
14) New England Patriots – CB D. Banks, Maryland
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) – OT Broderick Jones, UGA
16) Washington Commanders – CB J. Porter Jr, Penn State
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – CB K. Ringo, Georgia
18) Detroit Lions – DT B. Bresee, Clemson
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee
20) Seattle Seahawks – S Brian Branch, Alabama
21) Los Angeles Chargers – WR J. Addison, USC
22) Baltimore Ravens – WR Q. Johnson, TCU
23) Minnesota Vikings – WR J. Hyatt, Tennessee
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – TE D. Kincaid, Utah
25) New York Giants – OL P. Skoronski, Northwestern
26) Dallas Cowboys – RB B. Robinson, Texas
27) Houston Texans - WR Z. Flowers, BC
28) Cincinnati Bengals – TE Michael Mayer, Notre Dame
29) New Orleans Saints – EDGE L. VanNess, Iowa
30) Philadelphia Eagles – RB J. Gibbs, Alabama
31) Kansas City Chiefs – WR J. Downs, NC

swiper
04-26-2023, 06:44 PM
Interesting. You believe Levis lasts until #11 and Skoronski all the way to #25? Isn't he considered the best OT in this class? And no Buffalo pick!

TacklingDummy
04-26-2023, 09:52 PM
Did a fast job since this was posted so late.

For Submission:
1) Carolina Panthers – QB CJ Stroud, Ohio State…Probably be Young though, big little mistake
2) Houston Texans – Will Anderson, DE/OLB Alabama
3) Arizona Cardinals – Jalen Carter DT, Georgia
4) Indianapolis Colts – Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – Tyree Wilson DE Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
7) Las Vegas Raiders – Paris Johnson, OT, Ohio State
8) Atlanta Falcons – OT Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – Darnell Wright OT Tenn
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
11) Tennessee Titans – Will Lewis QB Kentucky
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – Anthony Richardson QB Florida
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – Dalton Kincaid TE Utah
14) New England Patriots – Jordan Addison WR USC
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) – Jaxson Smith Njigba WR Ohio State
16) Washington Commanders – Nolan Smith Edge Clemson
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon
18) Detroit Lions – Joey Porter CB Penn State
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Broderick Jones OT Georgia
20) Seattle Seahawks – CB Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
21) Los Angeles Chargers – Deonte Banks CB, Maryland
22) Baltimore Ravens – Myles Murphy DE Clemson
23) Minnesota Vikings – Quentin Johnson WR
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – Brian Branch S Alabama
25) New York Giants – Zay Flowers WR USC
26) Dallas Cowboys – TE Michael Mayer, Notre Dame
27) Buffalo Bills – Calijah Kancey DT Pittsburgh
28) Cincinnati Bengals – Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma
29) New Orleans Saints –Joey Porter CB Penn State
30) Philadelphia Eagles – Jahmyr Gibbs RB Alabama
31) Kansas City Chiefs – Dawand Smith OT Ohio State

TigerJ
04-26-2023, 10:27 PM
1) Carolina Panthers – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
2) Houston Texans – QB CJ Stroud, Ohio State
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – QB Will Levis, Kentucky
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – EDGE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – DT Jalen Carter, Georgia
7) Las Vegas Raiders – CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon
8) Atlanta Falcons – OT Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – CB Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
11) Tennessee Titans – WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – WR Quentin Johnston TCU
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) –TE Dalton Kincaid Utah
14) New England Patriots – CB Joey Porter Jr., Penn State
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) – OT Broderick Jones, UGA
16) Washington Commanders – OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – CB Emmanuel Forbes, Mississippi St.
18) Detroit Lions – LB Trenton Simpson, Clemson
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – QB Will Levis, Kentucky
20) Seattle Seahawks – C John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota
21) Los Angeles Chargers – EDGE Myles Murphy
22) Baltimore Ravens – WR Zay Flowers, Boston
23) Minnesota Vikings – DT Bryan Bresee, Clemson
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – CB Deonte Banks, Maryland
25) New York Giants – WR Jordan Addison, USC
26) Dallas Cowboys – G O'Cyrus Torrence Florida
27) Buffalo Bills – WR Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee
28) Cincinnati Bengals – TE Michael Mayer, Notre Dame
29) New Orleans Saints – EDGE Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
30) Philadelphia Eagles – RB Jamyr Gibbs, Alabama
31) Kansas City Chiefs – EDGE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa

I'm not good at this. I'd much rather criticize the efforts of others LOL. Hopefully, I avoided duplications and got value in the ball park for picks.

YardRat
04-27-2023, 05:28 AM
Nobody is Tiger.

Clumpy
04-27-2023, 10:36 AM
Working on mine :drunks:

Clumpy
04-27-2023, 11:46 AM
For Submission:
1) Carolina (Chi) – QB Bryce Young - Alabama
2) Indianapolis (Hou) – QB Will Levis - Kentucky
3) Atlanta (Ari) – QB Anthony Richardson - Florida
4) Houston (Ind) – QB C.J. Stroud - Ohio St.
5) Seattle (Den) – EDGE Tyree Wilson - Texas Tech
6) Detroit (LAR) – DT Jalen Carter - Georgia
7) Las Vegas – EDGE Will Anderson Jr. - Alabama
8) Arizona (ATL) – OT Paris Johnson - Ohio St
9) Chicago (Car) – CB Devon Witherspoon - Illinois
10) Houston (NO/Phil) – WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba - Ohio St
11) Tennessee – OL Peter Skoronski - Northwestern
12) Philadelphia (CLE/Hou) – RB Bijan Robinson - Texas
13) Green Bay (NYJ) – WR Zay Flowers - Boston College
14) New England Patriots – CB Christian Gonzalez - Oregon
15) NY Jets (GB) – EDGE Nolan Smith - Georgia
16) Washington – TE Michael Mayer - Notre Dame
17) Pittsburgh - CB Joey Porter Jr. - Penn St
18) Detroit - DB Brian Branch - Alabama
19) Tampa Bay – WR Jordan Addison - USC
20) Seattle - OL O'Cyrus Torrence - Florida
21) LA Chargers – TE Dalton Kincaid - Utah
22) Baltimore - CB Deonte Banks - Maryland
23) Minnesota – QB Hendon Hooker - Tennessee
24) Jacksonville - DE Myles Murphy - Clemson
25) Kansas City (NYG) - OT Darnell Wright - Tennessee
26) Dallas - DT Brian Bresee - Clemson
27) Buffalo – DT Mazi Smith -Michigan
28) Cincinnati – DE Lucas Van Ness - iowa
29) New Orleans – EDGE Will McDonald IV - Iowa State
30) Philadelphia – OL Cody Mauch - No. Dakota St
31) NY Giants (KC) – WR Josh Downs - North Carolina

swiper
04-27-2023, 12:12 PM
Couple of WGR550.com guys mocking Zay Flowers to the Bills.

Ed
04-27-2023, 05:15 PM
1) Carolina Panthers – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
2) Houston Texans – EDGE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – QB Anthony Richardson, Florida
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – QB CJ Stroud, Ohio State
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – CB Devon Witherspoon, Illinois
7) Las Vegas Raiders – QB Will Levis, Kentucky
8) Atlanta Falcons – EDGE Nolan Smith, UGA
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – DT Jalen Carter, Georgia
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
11) Tennessee Titans – OT Broderick Jones, UGA
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – CB Christian Gonzalez, Oregon
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
14) New England Patriots – OT Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) – OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State
16) Washington Commanders – QB Hendon Hooker, Tennessee
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – CB Joey Porter Jr, Penn State
18) Detroit Lions – TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – S Brian Branch, Alabama
20) Seattle Seahawks – TE Darnell Washington, UGA
21) Los Angeles Chargers – RB Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama
22) Baltimore Ravens – CB Deonte Banks, Maryland
23) Minnesota Vikings – CB Emmanuel Forbes, Miss St.
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – DL Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
25) New York Giants – CB Cam Smith, S Carolina
26) Dallas Cowboys – DL Mazi Smith, Michigan
27) Buffalo Bills – DL Bryan Bresee, Clemson
28) Cincinnati Bengals – DL Calijah Kancy
29) New Orleans Saints – DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
30) Philadelphia Eagles – EDGE Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
31) Kansas City Chiefs – OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee

cookie G
04-27-2023, 06:41 PM
1) Carolina Panthers – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
2) Houston Texans – Antony Richardson QB Florida
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – CJ Stroud QB Ohio State
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – Tyree Wilson Edge Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon
7) Las Vegas Raiders –OT Broderick Jones, UGA
8) Atlanta Falcons – Myles Murphy Edge Clemson
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – DT Jalen Carter, Georgia
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
11) Tennessee Titans – Jordan Addison WR USC
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – JSN WR OSU
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – Brian Branch S Bama
14) New England Patriots – OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) –Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern
16) Washington Commanders – Nolan Smith Edge Georgia
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – Darnell Wright OT Tenn.
18) Detroit Lions – Joey Porter Jr. CB Penn St.
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Dalton Kincaid TE Utah
20) Seattle Seahawks – DL Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
21) Los Angeles Chargers – O'cyrus Torrance G Florida
22) Baltimore Ravens – Zay Flowers WR Boston College
23) Minnesota Vikings – Kelee Ringo CB Georgia
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – CB Emmanuel Forbes, Miss St.
25) New York Giants – CB Cam Smith, S Carolina
26) Dallas Cowboys – Anton Harrison OT Oklahoma
27) Buffalo Bills – Vontae Mack LB OSU
28) Cincinnati Bengals – John Michael Schmitz C Minnesota
29) New Orleans Saints – Michael Meyer TE Notre Dame
30) Philadelphia Eagles – Calijah Kancey DT Pitt
31) Kansas City Chiefs – Jalin Hyatt WR Tenn.

Woodman
04-27-2023, 06:42 PM
Couple of WGR550.com guys mocking Zay Flowers to the Bills.
I'd be shocked if he doesn't go in top 20.

Woodman
04-27-2023, 06:44 PM
22) Baltimore Ravens – CB Deonte Banks, Maryland
23) Minnesota Vikings – CB Emmanuel Forbes, Miss St.
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – DL Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
25) New York Giants – CB Cam Smith, S Carolina
26) Dallas Cowboys – DL Mazi Smith, Michigan
27) Buffalo Bills – DL Bryan Bresee, Clemson
28) Cincinnati Bengals – DL Calijah Kancy
29) New Orleans Saints – DE Lukas Van Ness, Iowa
30) Philadelphia Eagles – EDGE Will McDonald IV, Iowa State
31) Kansas City Chiefs – OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee

Wouldn't mind Bresee one bit!

:gobills:

Woodman
04-27-2023, 06:46 PM
1) Carolina Panthers – QB Bryce Young, Alabama
2) Houston Texans – Antony Richardson QB Florida
3) Arizona Cardinals – DE Will Anderson, Alabama
4) Indianapolis Colts – CJ Stroud QB Ohio State
5) Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – Tyree Wilson Edge Texas Tech
6) Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams) – Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon
7) Las Vegas Raiders –OT Broderick Jones, UGA
8) Atlanta Falcons – Myles Murphy Edge Clemson
9) Chicago Bears (from Carolina) – DT Jalen Carter, Georgia
10) Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans) – RB Bijan Robinson, Texas
11) Tennessee Titans – Jordan Addison WR USC
12) Houston Texans (from Cleveland) – JSN WR OSU
13) Green Bay Packers* (from N.Y. Jets) – Brian Branch S Bama
14) New England Patriots – OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State
15) New York Jets* (from Green Bay) –Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern
16) Washington Commanders – Nolan Smith Edge Georgia
17) Pittsburgh Steelers – Darnell Wright OT Tenn.
18) Detroit Lions – Joey Porter Jr. CB Penn St.
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Dalton Kincaid TE Utah
20) Seattle Seahawks – DL Adetomiwa Adebawore, Northwestern
21) Los Angeles Chargers – O'cyrus Torrance G Florida
22) Baltimore Ravens – Zay Flowers WR Boston College
23) Minnesota Vikings – Kelee Ringo CB Georgia
24) Jacksonville Jaguars – CB Emmanuel Forbes, Miss St.
25) New York Giants – CB Cam Smith, S Carolina
26) Dallas Cowboys – Anton Harrison OT Oklahoma
27) Buffalo Bills – Vontae Mack LB OSU
28) Cincinnati Bengals – John Michael Schmitz C Minnesota
29) New Orleans Saints – Michael Meyer TE Notre Dame
30) Philadelphia Eagles – Calijah Kancey DT Pitt
31) Kansas City Chiefs – Jalin Hyatt WR Tenn.

:rofl: no matter what!!

Ed
04-27-2023, 06:57 PM
Wouldn't mind Bresee one bit!

:gobills:

I honestly think the Bills are going to make some kind of trade along with quite a few other teams, but I just don't know how to predict or project trades for these mocks.

DraftBoy
04-28-2023, 07:19 AM
Results:
DB - 42
YardRat - 41
TigerJ - 40
Cookie G - 37
Swiper - 37
Ed - 36
Clumpy - 33
TacklingDummy - 32

Thanks to all who participated!

Clumpy
04-28-2023, 09:36 AM
:poop:

YardRat
04-28-2023, 04:34 PM
Buffalo drafting a TE instead of moving back was the difference.

Bastards!