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  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86191

    Roles for the Rookies

    TE Dalton Kincaid---#2 tight end, #4 wide receiver. How much he sees the field depends on how quickly he can get up to speed, and how much Dorsey wants to use him.

    OG O'Cyrus Torrence---if Bates/Boettger are healthy, and the McGovern money was well spent, Torrence isn't starting right out of the gate. I don't see him beating out two vets that have logged a lot of snaps in a McDermott training camp. He'll probably start eventually once guys begin getting dinged.

    LB Dorian Williams---Milano is cemented at one spot...Klein and Dodson aren't going anywhere yet, one is going to start and the other be his back-up. Matakevitch is a special team keeper. Are they going to give up on Bernard or Spector after one season? Maybe he takes the #53 spot away from Taiwan Jones...He has to make the final roster, but he'll probably see some teams snaps at most.

    Shorter, Broeker, Austin will be practice squad guys or cuts.

    What do you think?
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  • GreedoII
    Registered User
    • Aug 2007
    • 1301

    #2
    Re: Roles for the Rookies

    Originally posted by YardRat View Post
    TE Dalton Kincaid---#2 tight end, #4 wide receiver. How much he sees the field depends on how quickly he can get up to speed, and how much Dorsey wants to use him.

    OG O'Cyrus Torrence---if Bates/Boettger are healthy, and the McGovern money was well spent, Torrence isn't starting right out of the gate. I don't see him beating out two vets that have logged a lot of snaps in a McDermott training camp. He'll probably start eventually once guys begin getting dinged.

    LB Dorian Williams---Milano is cemented at one spot...Klein and Dodson aren't going anywhere yet, one is going to start and the other be his back-up. Matakevitch is a special team keeper. Are they going to give up on Bernard or Spector after one season? Maybe he takes the #53 spot away from Taiwan Jones...He has to make the final roster, but he'll probably see some teams snaps at most.

    Shorter, Broeker, Austin will be practice squad guys or cuts.

    What do you think?

    1. I agree. I assume Dorsey was aware of the interest so his ass better use him.
    2. He starts day 1. Boetts gets cut
    3. Williams is special teams and 3rd downs for his coverage ability and speed.
    4. Agree

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    • Goobylal
      Registered User
      • Jan 2004
      • 19370

      #3
      Re: Roles for the Rookies

      Kincaid will play a lot. I can't see them taking him in the first and not using him much. How they play him is what I'm curious about because Diggs is obviously #1 and Knox is highly-paid. Do they put him out wide?

      I think Torrence starts at RG, where he dominated in college (zero sacks given up) and McGovern starts at LG, where he played the past 2 years for the 'Boys. Bates is the IOL backup and heir to Morse (maybe sooner than later).

      I can see Williams starting. He's the 2nd most talented LB on the roster now.

      Shorter I think has a role on the team. Austin as well. Broeker could very well make it over Boettger and Edwards.

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      • DraftBoy
        Administrator
        • Jul 2002
        • 107452

        #4
        Re: Roles for the Rookies

        Originally posted by YardRat View Post
        TE Dalton Kincaid---#2 tight end, #4 wide receiver. How much he sees the field depends on how quickly he can get up to speed, and how much Dorsey wants to use him.

        OG O'Cyrus Torrence---if Bates/Boettger are healthy, and the McGovern money was well spent, Torrence isn't starting right out of the gate. I don't see him beating out two vets that have logged a lot of snaps in a McDermott training camp. He'll probably start eventually once guys begin getting dinged.

        LB Dorian Williams---Milano is cemented at one spot...Klein and Dodson aren't going anywhere yet, one is going to start and the other be his back-up. Matakevitch is a special team keeper. Are they going to give up on Bernard or Spector after one season? Maybe he takes the #53 spot away from Taiwan Jones...He has to make the final roster, but he'll probably see some teams snaps at most.

        Shorter, Broeker, Austin will be practice squad guys or cuts.

        What do you think?
        I think you nailed it. I don’t expect any of the rookies to contribute in a huge way unless there is an injury or incompetence.
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        • John Doe
          Florida Man
          • Jul 2002
          • 2516

          #5
          Re: Roles for the Rookies

          Torrance has a better than 50% chance to start right away. They loved Bates as the super-backup to all 5 positions before and they will love to have him in that role again.

          I think that they bring in a vet MLB and Klein or Dotson goes to the practice squad. No team wanted Klein last year and no team will want him this year.

          Shorter will make the team at WR 6 - he really does not have much competition, he is a draft pick, and he fits the culture perfectly.

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          • Night Train
            Retired - On Several Levels
            • Jul 2005
            • 33117

            #6
            Re: Roles for the Rookies

            I'll let camp sort it out.

            Kincaid seems destined for the slot position over small WR's. Beane said as much. Torrance may take a while and maybe not. The rest need to be pointed towards a specific role which has yet to be determined.
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            • Woodman
              Legendary Zoner
              • Apr 2014
              • 65976

              #7
              Re: Roles for the Rookies

              Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
              Kincaid will play a lot. I can't see them taking him in the first and not using him much. How they play him is what I'm curious about because Diggs is obviously #1 and Knox is highly-paid. Do they put him out wide?

              I think Torrence starts at RG, where he dominated in college (zero sacks given up) and McGovern starts at LG, where he played the past 2 years for the 'Boys. Bates is the IOL backup and heir to Morse (maybe sooner than later).

              I can see Williams starting. He's the 2nd most talented LB on the roster now.

              Shorter I think has a role on the team. Austin as well. Broeker could very well make it over Boettger and Edwards.
              Agree and hope this is what we get ..... with one small adjustment .... Broeker over Edwards for sure but I'd still like to keep Ike Boettger unless he just can't get back to form due to his injury.

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              • cookie G
                Registered User
                • Mar 2003
                • 7566

                #8
                Re: Roles for the Rookies

                Kincaid gets at least 50% of the snaps on the O, and contributes substantially. I expect his contributions to take off in the 2nd half of the season

                Unless he's really not ready, Cybo becomes a Day 1 starter.

                If they are creative in their defensive scheme, like Kincaid, Williams is on the field for at least half of the defensive snaps.

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                • DraftBoy
                  Administrator
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 107452

                  #9
                  Re: Roles for the Rookies

                  Originally posted by cookie G View Post
                  Kincaid gets at least 50% of the snaps on the O, and contributes substantially. I expect his contributions to take off in the 2nd half of the season

                  Unless he's really not ready, Cybo becomes a Day 1 starter.

                  If they are creative in their defensive scheme, like Kincaid, Williams is on the field for at least half of the defensive snaps.
                  Half for Williams seems like huge expectations for an undersized rookie LB. It’s not like they spent a 1st round pick on the guy and need to force him onto the field. I would mildly surprised if he sees more than 1/3 of the defensive snaps barring injuries.
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                  • Goobylal
                    Registered User
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 19370

                    #10
                    Re: Roles for the Rookies

                    Originally posted by Woodman View Post
                    Agree and hope this is what we get ..... with one small adjustment .... Broeker over Edwards for sure but I'd still like to keep Ike Boettger unless he just can't get back to form due to his injury.
                    They could probably stash Boettger on the PS.

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                    • DraftBoy
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 107452

                      #11
                      Re: Roles for the Rookies

                      Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
                      They could probably stash Boettger on the PS.
                      I mean I guess, but I’d rather use their PS for actual development, not just stashing guys who aren’t good enough just in case.
                      COMING SOON...
                      Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                      We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                      • Goobylal
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 19370

                        #12
                        Re: Roles for the Rookies

                        Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                        Half for Williams seems like huge expectations for an undersized rookie LB. It’s not like they spent a 1st round pick on the guy and need to force him onto the field. I would mildly surprised if he sees more than 1/3 of the defensive snaps barring injuries.
                        He's bigger (and much faster) than Milano was when he came out and Milano started 3/4 of the way into the season.

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                        • DraftBoy
                          Administrator
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 107452

                          #13
                          Re: Roles for the Rookies

                          Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
                          He's bigger (and much faster) than Milano was when he came out and Milano started 3/4 of the way into the season.
                          We were a ****ty team back then. We shouldn’t want our rookies playing too terribly much unless they are going to be franchise changers.
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                          Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                          We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                          • Goobylal
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 19370

                            #14
                            Re: Roles for the Rookies

                            Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                            We were a ****ty team back then. We shouldn’t want our rookies playing too terribly much unless they are going to be franchise changers.
                            That was the 2017 when they made the playoffs. But I'd like to see rookies making an impact.

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                            • Mace
                              Haha...yeah you think so ?
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 20315

                              #15
                              Re: Roles for the Rookies

                              Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                              TE Dalton Kincaid---#2 tight end, #4 wide receiver. How much he sees the field depends on how quickly he can get up to speed, and how much Dorsey wants to use him.

                              OG O'Cyrus Torrence---if Bates/Boettger are healthy, and the McGovern money was well spent, Torrence isn't starting right out of the gate. I don't see him beating out two vets that have logged a lot of snaps in a McDermott training camp. He'll probably start eventually once guys begin getting dinged.

                              LB Dorian Williams---Milano is cemented at one spot...Klein and Dodson aren't going anywhere yet, one is going to start and the other be his back-up. Matakevitch is a special team keeper. Are they going to give up on Bernard or Spector after one season? Maybe he takes the #53 spot away from Taiwan Jones...He has to make the final roster, but he'll probably see some teams snaps at most.

                              Shorter, Broeker, Austin will be practice squad guys or cuts.

                              What do you think?
                              I think that about covers it.

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