Josh Allen Has a New DETERMINATION

[Woodman]

“I just think Josh taking his game to another level really means being a great decision-maker,” McDermott said. “We’ve talked about before this offseason — and it’s been talked about — adjusting his style of play enough to keep himself healthy and to play smarter at times as well.
“And then I just think the overall approach to the game, I’ve seen a different Josh this offseason. Not that it was bad before, but he’s got a new sense of focus (https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1PlKQpVdQkNxE), I would say, and determination — which is good.”
The Bills have won the AFC East in each of the last three seasons. But after losing in the conference championship game in 2020, the club fell in the divisional round in 2021 and 2022.
McDermott said he didn’t want to go into examples of how he’s seen Allen step up, saying it’s still early.
“We’ll see today in terms of what carries over onto the field specifically,” McDermott said. “But I just think, again, his involvement in the offense, his feedback, his communication — it’s always been there. But I think even more involved approach in the offense and his dealings with coach [Ken] Dorsey and their communication and everything. So, I think that can only be good for the situation.”


Sean McDermott- Josh Allen has a new sense of focus, determination - ProFootballTalk (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/23/sean-mcdermott-josh-allen-has-a-new-sense-of-focus-determination/)

[OpIv37]

This is at least the third consecutive offseason where we’ve heard about how Josh has had some monumental change in his mentality. Whatever.

The reg season results are there. The playoff results are not. I’ll believe it when I see it.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

A little different every year. First 3, more of a proving I belong type of things. Last 2 getting into winning champions (not generic playing to win champions kind of thing). This year, I get the what I can do to win a superbowl vibe from Josh. That’s why I said before the maturity I sense. “Everything I do for a championship “ from his talk, which may include things like if my girlfriend is a distraction then she’s gone.

[OpIv37]

A little different every year. First 3, more of a proving I belong type of things. Last 2 getting into winning champions (not generic playing to win champions kind of thing). This year, I get the what I can do to win a superbowl vibe from Josh. That’s why I said before the maturity I sense. “Everything I do for a championship “ from his talk, which may include things like if my girlfriend is a distraction then she’s gone.

I remember being young and having girlfriends be a total distraction. Understanding that relationships are a distraction is step 1 toward maturity. But, women will always be a potential distraction, especially to a young, rich, famous athlete. Real maturity is to be able to be in a relationship and not have it distract from other goals.

And, fwiw, Mahomes’ wife is the very definition of distraction, and he’s only a year older than Josh. But, Mahomes has 2 rings. So, it’s time to put hood shut up.

[TacklingDummy]

And, fwiw, Mahomes’ wife is the very definition of distraction, and he’s only a year older than Josh. But, Mahomes has 2 rings. So, it’s time to put hood shut up.

Different teams. Josh would have 3 rings right now if he played for KC and Mahomes would be run out of Buffalo.

[swiper]

Different teams. Josh would have 3 rings right now if he played for KC and Mahomes would be run out of Buffalo.

You've got to be kidding.

[TacklingDummy]

You've got to be kidding.

Prove me wrong. You can’t.

Flip teams, you really think Pat Mahomes would be good as he is if he was drafted by Buffalo? He would be a slightly better JP.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I may offend some people, especially ladies here. But a serious girlfriend and some casual dating is vastly different. The latter is simply having fun for both parties, going out on a night etc. The former? I think most of us here have been there and know what it is like …

[YardRat]

If true, it's where he should have been last year at this time. Also, if the rumors are true that he skipped training with Palmer this off-season, I can't see that as a positive and certainly isn't an indication of 'determination' or 'focus'.

[jamze132]

He did a lot of golfing this off-season…maybe he was referring to his swing.

[Night Train]

He's here throwing the ball to his new receivers this week.

That's not a narrative.

[Chet]

Wake me when he has a new coach to pair with that new determination

[GreedoII]

I love football

[JoeMama]

Josh Allen is an elite QB.

We have the wrong target in our crosshairs if we're suggesting he's the scapegoat for our playoff woes.

We have a Marvin Lewis clone coaching our team, and there's a legitimate conversation to be had about whether or not he's the guy to get us over the hump.

Great regular season coach. Lacks the true steel in when the stakes are high in the playoffs.

Successful head coaches are almost exclusively offensive minded guys nowadays.

[notacon]

This is at least the third consecutive offseason where we’ve heard about how Josh has had some monumental change in his mentality. Whatever.

The reg season results are there. The playoff results are not. I’ll believe it when I see it.

We should make a new emoji for you and all the other Negative Nancy’s....

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51QcUrBLsVL._SX366_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[notacon]

Different teams. Josh would have 3 rings right now if he played for KC and Mahomes would be run out of Buffalo.

I don’t buy that for a second. It’s more likely that if the QB’s were reversed the Bills would have one or two SB rings with Mahomes and KC would not with Josh Allen.

MAHOMES is the difference, not Andy Reid. Same with NE....TOM BRADY was the difference, NOT Bill Belichick.


As I accurately pointed out (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263195-Bills-no-pressure-like-last-year?p=5025354&viewfull=1#post5025354) the undeniable facts....

Why were KC and NE the only AFC teams to get multiple trips to the AFC Championship game (the past seven years)???

The knee jerk reaction is "coaching and scheme”. But that’s not really that accurate at ALL.

The MAIN factor is the combination of coaching and QB!!!!! And, in fact, the QB is the main reason.

In NE, Belichik is considered the best HC in history....but ONLY when he had Tom Brady as QB. He lost Brady, and what happened??? NE is for ****. Only make one playoff in three seasons. And they did not really deserve the one appearance with the Bills totally embarrassing them with the worst playoff loss in Belichick's career.

Brady goes to TB, the year before with Arians as HC they have a dismal 7-9 record. Do a little better in 2020 with a 11-5 record but BRADY is the reason they went on and won the SB.

Next two years even with Brady...no more playoff success since Brady is, after all old as dirt.

In KC, Andy Reid is there for five years...all with a very good QB in Alex Smith. Can't sniff a conference championship much less a Super Bowl.

Then Patrick Mahomes comes along and POOF, they are going to the conference championship every one of his five years as starter wining there AFCC and two Super Bowls.

Yeah....all it took was the GOAT Brady to make the “coaching” look so great. And in KC, it only took the BEST QB in the NFL today, to make Reid look like a genius.

The FACT is that Josh Allen is NOT at the level of Mahomes (yet). He’s just not there yet. He is elite, but not elite enough to get out of his own way.

[sukie]

Load of crap posted above.

NE loses Tom Brady and KC having Allen being the same thing shows potential plaque buildup in the hippocampus. Get checked out.

Comparing Andy Reid to BB… Reid is an offensive guy and a really good one, as long as his QB can extend plays he will coach to make him successful especially in the plays where he doesn’t need to extend. Josh is the second best at extending plays and Reid would have won with Josh.

KCs coaching staff is top notch. Mahomes would be killed behind the line Josh played behind. Mahomes has guts and improv like no other. But what was written above is concerning.

[Historian]

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[Novacane]

Any claim that his ex GF may have caused him to not be his best is absolutely 100% garbage. I dare you morons to go tell your wife she holds you back. Omg the stupidity posted here sometimes is unreal.

[Chet]

Any claim that his ex GF may have caused him to not be his best is absolutely 100% garbage. I dare you morons to go tell your wife she holds you back. Omg the stupidity posted here sometimes is unreal.
Who in their right mind would tell their wife that, regardless of whether it’s true? Some relationships are toxic or at the very least, distracting. We don’t know how it affected him either way, but to say with 100% certainty that it didn’t is pretty stupid

[TacklingDummy]

I dare you morons to go tell your wife she holds you back. Omg the stupidity posted here sometimes is unreal.
I tell her that all the time after a hot chick hits on me.

[Novacane]

Who in their right mind would tell their wife that, regardless of whether it’s true? Some relationships are toxic or at the very least, distracting. We don’t know how it affected him either way, but to say with 100% certainty that it didn’t is pretty stupid



If it did he'll never win a ring. I thought you guys were just great football minds. I had no idea you were relationship experts too!

[Chet]

If it did he'll never win a ring. I thought you guys were just great football minds. I had no idea you were relationship experts too!

And I had no idea you knew the inner workings of a newly minted young millionaire star athlete’s relationship. People are full of surprises here

[notacon]

Load of crap posted above.

NE loses Tom Brady and KC having Allen being the same thing shows potential plaque buildup in the hippocampus. Get checked out.

Comparing Andy Reid to BB… Reid is an offensive guy and a really good one, as long as his QB can extend plays he will coach to make him successful especially in the plays where he doesn’t need to extend. Josh is the second best at extending plays and Reid would have won with Josh.

KCs coaching staff is top notch. Mahomes would be killed behind the line Josh played behind. Mahomes has guts and improv like no other. But what was written above is concerning.

Load of crap posted above.

[notacon]

Any claim that his ex GF may have caused him to not be his best is absolutely 100% garbage. I dare you morons to go tell your wife she holds you back. Omg the stupidity posted here sometimes is unreal.


Who in their right mind would tell their wife that, regardless of whether it’s true? Some relationships are toxic or at the very least, distracting. We don’t know how it affected him either way, but to say with 100% certainty that it didn’t is pretty stupid

Well...that “stupidity” was in full view in the thread “Maybe Josh Allen .... a little more mature? Is that possible? (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263151-Maybe-Josh-Allen-a-little-more-mature-Is-that-possible)"

With this gem....


Breaking up with an instagram hoe will do that to a man

I know theyve been together for a while but i always imagined him with more of a traditional girl

[justasportsfan]

This is at least the third consecutive offseason where we’ve heard about how Josh has had some monumental change in his mentality. Whatever.

The reg season results are there. The playoff results are not. I’ll believe it when I see it.

I love Josh but Im tired of all his personal achievements and records that keeps getting posted on social media. He hasnt won anything. I would rather have a Bills superbowl win with a Jeff Hostetler.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

We are all speculating here. I suspect after Josh's break through year of 2020 for regular season, and then what you may call a playoff break through year of 2021 - he played well in both NE and Chiefs games even though he lost the Chiefs game, there is some complacency came in. Just a matter of time for superbowl right? So did we fans, as well as meida all think. Last off-season, he admitted that he didn't do anything and just let his body heal, actually raved about he good he felt at OTA/training camp. I also remembered someone asked him about his weight at training camp and he admitted some pounds over but said promise that he'd get to his team set weight soon. In the big picture, 5 or so pound over is not much a big deal for him but it is kind of peek into a person's mindset of letting something slide.
This year, he looked to be in good shape from the get-go. And he's much involved into drafting, admitted watching propectes highlights and game films, and giving Beane his take. These are signs that he's more dialed in on football.
As far as personal life, we don't know the details. Speaking to my friend working at sports agency here, he said it won't shock him that it is a separation with money exchanged for non disclosure. OP mentioned Brittany Mahomes is the definition of distraction. Far from it. Brittany Mahomes was a professional soccer player herself before and has a typical athlete attitude. She runs a successful personal trainer business, probably profitted from her last name by marriage. Her personal wealth, aside from her famous husband, is about 10 million. From the outside, she might be one who seeks attention, but do we know in her family life with Patrick, she seeks his attention all the time (which is what really matters right?)?

[sukie]

Load of crap posted above.

Nice come back. Try MCT oil. Good for clarity.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

https://nypost.com/2023/05/26/bills-josh-allen-spotted-with-hailee-steinfeld-after-rumored-breakup/


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[ghz in pittsburgh]

It looks like a pre-meditated move by Josh
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[notacon]

Nice come back. Try MCT oil. Good for clarity.

Well...that’s all I thought you could comprehend.

You sure don’t have (or seemingly want to have) the capacity to understand easily understood concepts, that the best QB to ever play the game and the current best QB in the NFL by quite a margin both make their HC look good and are the MAIN reason why they have had successful head coaching careers. Without those QB’s they probably don’t win squat.


And without those QB’s NEITHER of those head coaches even got close to getting to a Super Bowl, much less win one. That is an undeniable FACT. Look it up!

I was NOT comparing Reid to BB.

So, anyway....what you wrote was a “load of crap” and needs to be recognized as that.

[sukie]

Well...that’s all I thought you could comprehend.

You sure don’t have (or seemingly want to have) the capacity to understand easily understood concepts, that the best QB to ever play the game and the current best QB in the NFL by quite a margin both make their HC look good and are the MAIN reason why they have had successful head coaching careers. Without those QB’s they probably don’t win squat.


And without those QB’s NEITHER of those head coaches even got close to getting to a Super Bowl, much less win one. That is an undeniable FACT. Look it up!

I was NOT comparing Reid to BB.

So, anyway....what you wrote was a “load of crap” and needs to be recognized as that.
What I wrote was “load of crap posted above”.


Josh Allen would have made Andy Reid look like a genius just as Mahomes does. Josh would love throwing to Kelce all day. Josh can extend plays. You make it seem like Josh is Mitch Trubisky when comparing him to Mahomes.

Mahomes would be no where near as effective behind Buffalo’s OLine.

ask Joe about the Mahomes Allen team switch.

[Novacane]

https://nypost.com/2023/05/26/bills-josh-allen-spotted-with-hailee-steinfeld-after-rumored-breakup/


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So much for the geniuses and their he'll be more focused now take. I'm sure dating a movie star will be far less distracting than his long time GF.

[notacon]

What I wrote was “load of crap posted above”.


Josh Allen would have made Andy Reid look like a genius just as Mahomes does. Josh would love throwing to Kelce all day. Josh can extend plays. You make it seem like Josh is Mitch Trubisky when comparing him to Mahomes.

Mahomes would be no where near as effective behind Buffalo’s OLine.

ask Joe about the Mahomes Allen team switch.
More “load of crap”

No....Josh Allen would NOT "have made Andy Reid look like a genius just as Mahomes does” because Josh Allen is simply not as good a QB as Mahomes and never has been. He has NEVER shown the ability to avoid big mistakes like Mahomes has his whole short career.

That does not mean that Josh won’t eventually get his head out his butt like he has done too many times his whole career.

The FACT remains, the best QB to ever play the game and the current best QB in the NFL by quite a margin both make their HC look good and are the MAIN reason why they have had successful head coaching careers. Without those QB’s they probably don’t win squat.


And without those QB’s NEITHER of those head coaches even got close to getting to a Super Bowl, much less win one. That is an undeniable FACT. Look it up!

[notacon]

BTW...Alex Smith was throwing to Kelce all day for 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017 and Kelce AND Tyreek Hill for 2016 & 2017....all with Andy Reid as HC.

I DO NOT make it seem like Josh is Mitch Trubisky when comparing him to Mahomes...how silly.

Plus the KC O-line was considered so terrible that it had to go through major overhauls (same with Cincy’s). The idea that "Mahomes would be no where near as effective behind Buffalo’s OLine. “ is so obtuse and not credible in the least.

[notacon]

So much for the geniuses and their he'll be more focused now take. I'm sure dating a movie star will be far less distracting than his long time GF.

Anyone who cares about the dating habits of Josh Allen may be compensating for their own fragile ego and reverting back to HS days when they were jealous that the sports stars got all the prettiest girls. :D:

[sukie]

BTW...Alex Smith was throwing to Kelce all day for 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017 and Kelce AND Tyreek Hill for 2016 & 2017....all with Andy Reid as HC.

I DO NOT make it seem like Josh is Mitch Trubisky when comparing him to Mahomes...how silly.

Plus the KC O-line was considered so terrible that it had to go through major overhauls (same with Cincy’s). The idea that "Mahomes would be no where near as effective behind Buffalo’s OLine. “ is so obtuse and not credible in the least.
So Josh = Alex Smith? Man you are so lost in your own argument.

[TacklingDummy]

So much for the geniuses and their he'll be more focused now take. I'm sure dating a movie star will be far less distracting than his long time GF.

Just friends.

[Chet]

Mahomes would be great on Buffalo too. Allen would have a ring already if Reid was his HC. Both things can be true. Just watch KC’s games and 95% of the time their offensive game plan bamboozles the opponent. Alex Smith is a nice guy who was way over drafted due to athleticism. He did not have a lot of arm talent and was timid in some big moments.

But he had his best years with either Harbaugh or Reid at the helm, which just goes to show how important coaching is.

Chiefs have a genius, we have a clapper

[Novacane]

Just friends.

With benefits?

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Mahomes would be great on Buffalo too. Allen would have a ring already if Reid was his HC. Both things can be true. Just watch KC’s games and 95% of the time their offensive game plan bamboozles the opponent. Alex Smith is a nice guy who was way over drafted due to athleticism. He did not have a lot of arm talent and was timid in some big moments.

But he had his best years with either Harbaugh or Reid at the helm, which just goes to show how important coaching is.

Chiefs have a genius, we have a clapper

Coach Jack Ramsey was a clapper too.

[notacon]

So Josh = Alex Smith? Man you are so lost in your own argument.

:rolleyes: Please. You "you are so lost in your own argument” when you fail to recognize the facts that are unequivocal and undeniable.

[sukie]

Alex smith has zero to do with this discussion. Everyone here but you knows it. But carry on with five plus paragraphs. We collectively need the giggles.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

NEW DETERMINATION

https://cdn.sportsmanor.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/27024117/Allen-Steinfeld.jpg

[Chet]

Coach Jack Ramsey was a clapper too.
And that worked in the 70s with a prime Bill Walton.

[YardRat]

Coach Jack Ramsey was a clapper too.


He never won a championship for Buffalo either.

[Historian]

Coach Jack Ramsey was a clapper too.

Boy could he rock the '70's or what???
https://images.footballfanatics.com/portland-trail-blazers/jack-ramsay-portland-trailblazers-hof-signed/autographed-8x10-photo-jsa-160747_ss2_p-12997002+u-fpgg8qovm5bvxxzm1c95+v-27061fd183204ec5a7353d17b3231c5c.jpg?_hv=2&w=900

[Historian]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/40/b5/8d40b515ff6c014b4906830b63767a8e.jpg

[Historian]

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[JoeMama]

https://nypost.com/2023/05/26/bills-josh-allen-spotted-with-hailee-steinfeld-after-rumored-breakup/


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LOL my girlfriend saw this picture and was like Josh bro you gotta fix your hair. This look isn't working.

[notacon]

Alex smith has zero to do with this discussion. Everyone here but you knows it. But carry on with five plus paragraphs. We collectively need the giggles.

Jesus. Of COUSE Alex Smith has a a LOT to do with this discussion. The FACT that Andy Reid only became the “genius” he is and a SB wining coach when Patrick Mahomes becomes starting QB and did not close close with Alex Smith at QB.

Alex Smith was an extremely good QB in KC, which brings the begs the whole question of coaching being the difference between KC’s and Buffalo’s success....same with Bill Belichick and his ONLY success with Tom Brady as QB.

The QB is the ALL CRITICAL COMPONENT. Josh Allen is a better QB than Alex Smith (at least potentially) but to dismiss the job that Smith did in KC is silly.

Your lame arguments made me curious, how exactly do the three QB’s compare with measurable stats???? Very conveniently, each of the QB’s started almost identical number of regular season games, Smith and Allen exactly the same 76 games, and Mahomes just four more with 80 starts.

The stats tell the factual story that my premise is based on. Patrick Mahomes is clearly a better QB than Allen, and is THE reason why KC has enjoyed such recent success.

Josh Allen, amazing as he is, and with much untapped potential, is just not on the level of Mahomes. The stats reveal that he is more on the level of Alex Smith....their stats almost mirror each other (except for the CRITICAL turnover stat, which Allen sucks at).


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Alex Smtih (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm)
Josh Allen (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm)
Mahomes (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MahoPa00.htm)








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2,993


COMP
1,587
1,604
1,985


CMP%
65.10%
62.50%
66.30%


YDS
17,608
18,397
24,241


YDS/C
11.1
11.9
12.2


YDS GAIN P/ATT
7.2
7.2
8.1


YDS/G
231.7
238.9
303


TD
102
138
192


TD%
4.20%
5.40%
6.40%


INT
33
60
49


INT%
1.4%
2.3%
1.6%


FUMBLES LOST
9
20
10


TL TURNOVER
42
80
59


QB RATE
94.8
92.2
105.7


4QC
9
11
13


GWD
11
15
14

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Mahomes clearly is better in almost every measurable stat (highlighted in red). Allen, only ONE. “game winning drives” with one more than Mahomes and four more than Smith.

The most CRITICAL STAT, that I have been talking about for months and THE reason that the Bills have been a disappointment (in getting to and winning a SB....they have been one of the best teams in the NFL otherwise) is Josh’s TURNOVERS!!!

Especially as compared to Alex Smith. Josh has almost DOUBLE the INT’s....and almost DOUBLE in total turnovers.

Josh Allen has 25% MORE turnovers than Mahomes. No matter who is head coach, turnover are on the PLAYER.

Certainly, your speculation that Allen would be winning SB’s if he was on KC with Reid as the HC, and Mahomes would not if he was on the Bills, is not supported by the facts.

My speculation IS. MAHOMES is the difference. If he was on the Bills, they would have won one or two SB’s. Allen on KC they probably would not have won any.

Mahomes has two SB wins, two SB MVP’s and two NFL MVP’s. Even with Reid as HC, Alex Smith had none of those. It was not until Reid had Mahomes at QB that he became the genius winning HC that he is now. The deny this is to deny reality.

Period.


None of this is to say that Josh Allen will not get his head out of his turnover butt and fulfill all the potential that he undoubtably has. I still contend that he has all the tools to become one of the greatest QB’s of all time, and a shoo-in HOFer.

[mightysimi]

The FACT that Andy Reid only became the “genius” he is and a SB wining coach when Patrick Mahomes becomes starting QB and did not close close with Alex Smith at QB.

You might want to look up what Andy Reid did with Donovan Mcnabb. 5 Championship games in a row with 1 appearance in the SB (loss). Would you put Donovan McNabb in the same category as Patrick Mahomes? I would not.

I think it also shows that Reid is a great coach that Smith's numbers are even close to Allen's. Throw in a back up QB going in cold and walking 98 yards for a TD in the playoffs. If that isn't the coaching, I don't know what is.

[notacon]

You might want to look up what Andy Reid did with Donovan Mcnabb. 5 Championship games in a row with 1 appearance in the SB (loss). Would you put Donovan McNabb in the same category as Patrick Mahomes? I would not.

I think it also shows that Reid is a great coach that Smith's numbers are even close to Allen's. Throw in a back up QB going in cold and walking 98 yards for a TD in the playoffs. If that isn't the coaching, I don't know what is.

Point well taken


I never said that Andy Reid was not a very good HC. OF course he is.

McNabb was on the level of Alex Smith (McNabb’s stats in Phil are not as good as Smith’s were in KC). So, similar situations. No QB on the level of Mahomes, no SB wins. One SB loss, and FOUR lost conference championships.

On second thought, you are bolstering my argument. Thanks.

The point is that THE reason the Chiefs and Reid have found such success recently IS Patrick Mahomes. And the main reason that Belichick is now considered the best HC of all times is because he had the GOAT at QB for every one of his best years in NE. Brady goes away and so did the success.

Too many posters want to **** on the Bills coaches because the team has not been as stellar as KC.


My premise is as stated in this post (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263235-Josh-Allen-Has-a-New-DETERMINATION?p=5025465&viewfull=1#post5025465) (and what sukie dismissed as “crap” (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263235-Josh-Allen-Has-a-New-DETERMINATION?p=5025514&viewfull=1#post5025514)) was refuting the idea that TacklingDummy bought up....


Different teams. Josh would have 3 rings right now if he played for KC and Mahomes would be run out of Buffalo.


Is that (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263235-Josh-Allen-Has-a-New-DETERMINATION?p=5025465&viewfull=1#post5025465)...."I don’t buy that for a second. It’s more likely that if the QB’s were reversed the Bills would have one or two SB rings with Mahomes and KC would not with Josh Allen.

MAHOMES is the difference, not Andy Reid. Same with NE....TOM BRADY was the difference, NOT Bill Belichick.


As I accurately pointed out (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263195-Bills-no-pressure-like-last-year?p=5025354&viewfull=1#post5025354) the undeniable facts....

Why were KC and NE the only AFC teams to get multiple trips to the AFC Championship game (the past seven years)???

The knee jerk reaction is "coaching and scheme”. But that’s not really that accurate at ALL.

The MAIN factor is the combination of coaching and QB!!!!! And, in fact, the QB is themain reason. “

My premise stands. The observation (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/261680-The-Bills-Have-a-QB-Problem?highlight=) that I made after the debacle against the Vikings stands un-refuted....


"Josh Allen is THE reason the Bills are considered a legitimate Super Bowl contender, and Josh Allen will be THE reason they don’t even get there, much less win it."

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Synergy, boys, not reductionism.

[sukie]

Nottie, the discussion was swapping Allen and Mahomes all other things the same. You contend Josh still has no rings and I don’t buy it. You brought up Smith in some silly attempt to discredit Reid. It has no bearing on the Allen Mahomes discussion.

Start your response with “Suffering Succotash” instead of “Jesus”…. Just for more entertainment value.

[Woodman]

Start your response with “Suffering Succotash” instead of “Jesus”…. Just for more entertainment value.
:boom:

[YardRat]

I haven't gone back into the 90's to the point of the start of the salary cap, but the more relative point of fact is since 1998 is there has been only one QB that won his first Super Bowl for the team he was drafted by after getting a second contract based on performance. Peyton Manning is it, all others won their first on their rookie contract. Rodgers did technically, but his extension came prior to having more than one season starting, and maybe Foles, but his second contract was a free agent 'return' not an extension.

Josh is on the wrong side of that history, and yes that should be considered a window closed.

[Woodman]

19795

[sukie]

I haven't gone back into the 90's to the point of the start of the salary cap, but the more relative point of fact is since 1998 is there has been only one QB that won his first Super Bowl for the team he was drafted by after getting a second contract based on performance. Peyton Manning is it, all others won their first on their rookie contract. Rodgers did technically, but his extension came prior to having more than one season starting, and maybe Foles, but his second contract was a free agent 'return' not an extension.

Josh is on the wrong side of that history, and yes that should be considered a window closed.
13 seconds could be an asterisk.

[notacon]

Nottie, the discussion was swapping Allen and Mahomes all other things the same. You contend Josh still has no rings and I don’t buy it. You brought up Smith in some silly attempt to discredit Reid. It has no bearing on the Allen Mahomes discussion.

Start your response with “Suffering Succotash” instead of “Jesus”…. Just for more entertainment value.

Huh??? No, I did not bring up "Smith in some silly attempt to discredit Reid.” That is simply not accurate.

Do you know how to read and comprehend plain English???


And yes, the fact that Reid was only able to win multiple SB’s after Mahomes was on the team and not even close with Alex Smith is extremely pertinent on the Alien vs Mahomes discussion.

I explained, in detail why. I certainly don't need you to comprehend the obvious to make it valid.

[sukie]

If you typed “Smith” and even equated him to Josh Allen. At that point the giggles kick in and it’s hard to take you seriously. I read your posts with Foghorn Leghorn in my head. I add a few “I say” and “listen hear, Boy” just to add to the comedic genius.

[EDS]

Let's just hope Josh's new hollywood lifestyle does not have a negative impact on his play.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Putting no pressure, taking it slow huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPT_y6xay7c

[Woodman]

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:gobills: :gobills:

[notacon]

Putting no pressure, taking it slow huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPT_y6xay7c

Hailee Steinfeld has grown up a LOT since she was in True Grit in 2010....

https://s3.amazonaws.com/thetech-production/images/web_photos/web/3688_truegrit.jpg?1460715458


Ten years later....


https://www.redcarpet-fashionawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Hailee-Steinfeld-Wore-David-Koma-Promoting-Dickinson-821x1024.jpg


You go Josh!!!!!

[Woodman]

Let's just hope Josh's new hollywood lifestyle does not have a negative impact on his play.
Word.