On Denney; Just for you T...

[WG]

What are everyone's thoughts on Ryan Denney as our starter at LDE?

Are you merely hopeful w/o cause?

Did you see "something big" during preseason?

Just asking b/c T got a little miffed at my reiteration of concern at the status of our DL which I really don't think is much different from last season.

Of course that is predicated on the notion that Adams continues to play poorly as he did in the PS and that Denney hasn't really shown much other than he's "better" than a handful of other below average starting DEs.

We got below average to average DE play last year by a platoon. I'm not expecting that Denney's will be much different assuming we don't resort back to the platooning. As to Adams, well, if all he's gonna be is what he was in PS, then it's a step backwards IMO.

So what are your thoughts, primarily on Denney since we all realize that we'll have to wait for RS to see what Adams can do?

[Patrick76777]

At this moment, he's the best we have. So I'm going to hope he does well and pull for him.

It's a waste of energy to sit hear and talk about how average he is.

I think Kelsey will be better and when he is, he'll take the job.

[Throne Logic]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
At this moment, he's the best we have. So I'm going to hope he does well and pull for him.

It's a waste of energy to sit hear and talk about how average he is.

I think Kelsey will be better and when he is, he'll take the job.

What he said.

[Tatonka]

does it really matter what our thoughts are? they are not going to change your mind..

am i concerned? some..

am i hopeful and excited and thinking positive.. definately..

after the game is over is the only time you can judge them.... and i feel sorry for the souls that dont play well on the d line.. because i can see the 10 pages of jibberjabber coming if they get beat up at all.. even for one play..

i can see it now.. sam adams dives into a pile to make a goal line tackle..

wys takes notes - "sam fell on the ground again.. presumably put there by the back up o lineman that was in on the play"

[WG]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
At this moment, he's the best we have. So I'm going to hope he does well and pull for him.

It's a waste of energy to sit hear and talk about how average he is.

I think Kelsey will be better and when he is, he'll take the job.

No one said anyone's "not pulling for him."

You completely misunderstand me if you happen to believe that I wouldn't be pulling for him! I'll be pulling for Sam too. Hopefully Sam won't be pulling himself on the sidelines in a few weeks!

It may be a waste of energy, but isn't that what these boards are all about?

I'm just curious why people hold their views.

You've stated yours which has been seconded by another, that he's "the best we have" and therefore you are "merely hopeful w/o cause" as suggested in the first post asking the question.

Thank you! Come again.

[BillsNick]

I am sllightly concerned, I view that position as our biggest weakness until proven otherwise. I will, however, reserve my final judgment until I see him in action for real. It's going to take a few good plays a game and consistency to gain my confidence.

[Patrick76777]

No one said you're not pulling for him


and I know this is a message board.

but it's 3 days til kickoff and people are pumped up. they don't want to hear about how worried you are about the 1 single weakness on our D.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Throne Logic
What he said.

ditto

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
No one said you're not pulling for him


and I know this is a message board.

but it's 3 days til kickoff and people are pumped up. they don't want to hear about how worried you are about the 1 single weakness on our D.

I agree.

Wys man. We cannot, and no team can, have the best players in the league at every single position.

We are looking at a new style of D with some new playmakers in there. That alone will make everyone perform better.

[TypicalBill]

I think he'll do just fine... i mean, in limited action during preseason he had 9 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and a fumble recovery .... he's healthy, coming into his 2nd year and will only improve... we can see that he deffinately improved from his rookie season.

[Jan Reimers]

Denney has improved greatly from last year, and Kelsay will improve quickly and challenge for the starting spot.

[TedMock]

I admit that as far as Denney's concerned I'm "hopeful without cause". Truth be told, he sucked last season. He did have a couple of forced fumbles in the pre-season and has put on some much needed weight. That makes me hopeful but he's still what I'm most concerned about. My second biggest concern, defensively, is Sam Adams. It's 50/50 right now. He's big and stong enough to hold his own and take up blockers but he also has a laziness problem that he needs to fight off. I don't care if he has zero tackles and zero sacks as long as RB's have to bounce outside. I don't think Denney's ever going to be a big time pass rusher. What I'm hoping for is that he's strong enough not to get blown off the ball and keep things inside. If this happens, his long arms will occasionally be able to grab the ball carrier or swat at the ball. I'm hopeful but definitely cautiously hopeful.

[Jan Reimers]

We are much improved over last year, when Chidi and Irons - who couldn't make this year's team - got lots of work.

[WG]

Originally posted by Tatonka
does it really matter what our thoughts are? they are not going to change your mind..

Again, you misunderstand me T.

I'm merely curious why everyone has this hope that defending against Brady is gonna be like some piece of cake.

Where's the pass rush gonna come from?

B/c if it's anything like last year, we won't have one, right?

Since I see little difference, I'm trying to reconcile all this hype over our D rushing the passer as we're now saying.

Is it coming from our LBs? If so, then who's gonna cover the short OTM field where 70% of Brady's throws end up? What, Fletcher? I have to laugh!

I hearin' one thing, but seein' another. It's more than "oh well, keserasera" here. If we can't generate a pass rush, expect that Pats, who've been HOT BTW, to tear our D apart exactly the way the Rams did! You don't think that BB is unaware of our continual weakness in the preseason to defend against the short pass and the OTM stuff, do ya?

If not, then it should be a high concern to all of us, yet, I'm just not hearin' that.

[WG]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
We are much improved over last year, when Chidi and Irons - who couldn't make this year's team - got lots of work.

IDK JR. You really think that Denney is better than CA? I don't.

Irons didn't really play anymore than in relief.