Dalvin Cook to be released Friday

[Buffalogic]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/08/vikings-send-strange-message-by-dumping-dalvin-cook/


Backfield brothers? I'd like to bring him in for a modest price.

[Canadian'eh!]

He’s 27. I know RBs don’t make a ton these days, but I suspect he won’t a particular bargain

[sukie]

Fins will overpay

[Woodman]

well somebody better. :D

[notacon]

So what?

This really has nothing to do with the Bills.

Maybe sign him if he takes the vet minimum. The Bills are set at RB.

[sukie]

So what?

This really has nothing to do with the Bills.

Maybe sign him if he takes the vet minimum. The Bills are set at RB.

I’m with you… even the vet minimum joke at the end. Don’t need him.

[Woodman]

I’m with you… even the vet minimum joke at the end. Don’t need him.

It would be a shock if we made a move. :shocked: :gobills:

[Buffalogic]

So what?

This really has nothing to do with the Bills.

Maybe sign him if he takes the vet minimum. The Bills are set at RB.Lol he's better than everyone on the roster.

[Woodman]

Lol he's better than everyone on the roster.
It would be a gift if he played for what we would offer.

[Mr. Pink]

Lol he's better than everyone on the roster.

Agreed but we don't have the money to pay him and again running back in this league doesn't matter.

Let someone else overspend.

[Night Train]

Will he play for S&H green stamps ?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9U0AAOSwSuBkMyf7/s-l1600.jpg

[notacon]

Lol he's better than everyone on the roster.

So what?

His cap number for 2023 was $14.1M.

For team that does not rely on the RB run game, paying big bucks for an aging RB would be dumb.

I was lobbying for the Bills drafting a RB in the first round this year IF Bijan Robinson somehow fell to the Bills at #27. That, of course, did not come close to happening.

I promoted that idea because getting an elite RB on a five year, cost controlled rookie contract and then move on with no second big bucks extension is fast becoming the best way to proceed in today’s NFL.

The Bills are set at RB. James Cook is poised to have a break out year...interestingly he was just named to Adam Schein’s.....

Which NFL players will improve in '23? Dak Prescott, James Cook, Kyle Pitts among GUARANTEED risers (https://www.nfl.com/news/which-nfl-players-will-improve-in-23-dak-prescott-james-cook-kyle-pitts-among-gu)




#4
James Cook (https://www.nfl.com/players/james-cook-2/)

Buffalo Bills · RB

When you lose a fumble on your first NFL carry, you get buried. That's what happened to Cook, who coughed up the football (https://www.nfl.com/videos/james-cook-s-first-career-nfl-carry-results-in-fumble-turnover) on his first snap of the nationally televised Kickoff Game against the defending champion Rams. The Bills wound up winning in blowout fashion, 31-10 (https://www.nfl.com/videos/james-cook-s-first-career-nfl-carry-results-in-fumble-turnover), but it took a while for the rookie to get back into the regular rotation. In fact, he didn't log 20 snaps in a game until December. However, he sprinkled in plenty of promise as a runner and receiver. And with last year's leading rusher (Devin Singletary (https://www.nfl.com/players/devin-singletary/)) now in Houston, Cook is a prime candidate for a Year 2 breakout.

Freshly minted (https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-qb-josh-allen-to-appear-on-cover-of-madden-nfl-24)Madden (https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-qb-josh-allen-to-appear-on-cover-of-madden-nfl-24) cover boy Josh Allen (https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-qb-josh-allen-to-appear-on-cover-of-madden-nfl-24) is a dynamic MVP candidate, but he needs more balance in the offense. Veterans Damien Harris (https://www.nfl.com/players/damien-harris/), Nyheim Hines (https://www.nfl.com/players/nyheim-hines/) and Latavius Murray (https://www.nfl.com/players/latavius-murray/) can have roles in the backfield rotation, but Cook needs to be the straw that stirs the drink. It's why Buffalo took him in the second round of the 2022 draft. He has explosive potential as a playmaker in Ken Dorsey's offense.



James Cook’s cap numbers??....

2023 - $1.3M
2024 - $1.5M
2025 - $1.8M

With the addition of Latavius Murray ($1M 2023 cap) the Bills are in a very good place for the RB position.


If Calvin Cook wants to take vet minimum, that would be acceptable and smart for the Bills. He won’t. So, like Mr Pink said (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263348-Dalvin-Cook-to-be-released-Friday?p=5028371&viewfull=1#post5028371), “Let someone else overspend."

[sukie]

I agree on not paying for a RB. But I wouldn’t call 27 aging…. DeAndre is aging.

[YardRat]

He wants bank, and the Dolphins and Jets both have it.

[sukie]

He wants bank, and the Dolphins and Jets both have it.

This year they do. Rodgers is only cheap this year and Tua will wanna be paid

[Woodman]

Will he play for S&H green stamps ?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9U0AAOSwSuBkMyf7/s-l1600.jpg


19802

All we have left is Plaid.

[notacon]

I agree on not paying for a RB. But I wouldn’t call 27 aging…. DeAndre is aging.

Cook will turn 28 before the season starts. RB’s have the shortest careers of any NFL position.

The NFL “in comparison to the other football positions...the NFL goes through running backs like Amazon goes through warehouse workers (https://deadspin.com/amazon-nfl-running-backs-dalvin-cook-vikings-salary-cap-1850522408)”.

Hopkins is only 3 years older than Cook. WR’s do not take a fraction of the beating RB’s do.

There are many reason why RB’s have the shortest careers in almost all of sports (https://circularall.com/why-do-running-backs-have-short-careers/).

28 years for a NFL RB is absolutely an “aging” one. So is Hopkins at 31.

[Woodman]

We're done with any of the bigger names that are still out there.

[sukie]

Cook will turn 28 before the season starts. RB’s have the shortest careers of any NFL position.

The NFL “in comparison to the other football positions...the NFL goes through running backs like Amazon goes through warehouse workers (https://deadspin.com/amazon-nfl-running-backs-dalvin-cook-vikings-salary-cap-1850522408)”.

Hopkins is only 3 years older than Cook. WR’s do not take a fraction of the beating RB’s do.

There are many reason why RB’s have the shortest careers in almost all of sports (https://circularall.com/why-do-running-backs-have-short-careers/).

28 years for a NFL RB is absolutely an “aging” one. So is Hopkins at 31.
RB average 2.57….. WR 2.81 years… not a monsterous difference.

[notacon]

RB average 2.57….. WR 2.81 years… not a monsterous difference.

Yeah...I know that. But, in the real world, everyone knows that RB’s take a HUGE beating as compared to WR’s.

An aging RB is worth a LOT less than an aging WR....irrespective of the pretty substantial difference in value for the position.

With that said, I don't think that Hopkins OR Dalvin Cook are worth anything close to what they want to the Bills. Maybe some other team, but not Buffalo.

[sukie]

I agree not worth the cap nightmare.

it is interesting that WRs average career span is as low since they don’t take the beating like RBs… or do they?

a WR taking the hit is worse than a RB hitting the line. RBs see the impending contact. WRs vey often do not. The ground after a high grab is another factor. They come down hard. RBs get grabbed and Leg tackled and corralled.

[notacon]

I agree not worth the cap nightmare.

it is interesting that WRs average career span is as low since they don’t take the beating like RBs… or do they?

a WR taking the hit is worse than a RB hitting the line. RBs see the impending contact. WRs vey often do not. The ground after a high grab is another factor. They come down hard. RBs get grabbed and Leg tackled and corralled.
No. WR’s don’t take even close to a beating that RB’s do. That is common knowledge. I already posted a link to that reality. RB’s have the shortest careers in almost all of sports (https://circularall.com/why-do-running-backs-have-short-careers/).

I suspect that a big part of why WR’s average careers are relatively short, but still shorter than RB’s is that the completion for WR’s is much more fierce as it is a premium position that the elite players get paid a LOT more than RB.

Highest paid RB (AVG/Y), Christian McCaffrey - $16M per year.

Highest paid WR, Tyreek Hill - $30M per year.

McCaffrey’s AVG/Y would place him #17 in WR’s. And the fall off for RB’s in HUGE as compared to WR’s.

You have to go down 31 WR’s to go below $10M AVG/Y....RB’s....only NINE earn more than $10M.

With that kind of disparity in value, of course more players would rather be a WR than a RB, which just forces the turnover to be quicker simply because of available high quality supply.

In any event, Calvin Cook is reportedly is still looking for big bucks...


Dalvin Cook reportedly wants big money from next team (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/dalvin-cook-reportedly-wants-big-money-from-next-team#:~:text=%22Dalvin%20Cook...is,still%20a%20top%20running%20back.)
The former Vikings running back is looking for a big pay day on the open market



The Minnesota Vikings spent months looking for a trade partner for Dalvin Cook, but even after the Vikings released Cook on Friday, it doesn't appear the star running back is interested in taking a pay cut.

According to NFL Network's Tom Pelissero, Cook is looking for a "significant contract" in free agency and isn't interested in signing a lesser deal in order to expedite the process.

"Dalvin Cook...is not coming in for $4 or $5 million," Pelissero said during an appearance on The Rich Eisen Show. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihd_JojunMI)"That is not going to happen. This is going to be a significant contract."

If Pelissero's report is accurate, it's a sign that Cook and his camp believe that he is still a top running back. Cook could be seeking a contract in the neighborhood of the $10 million base salary that he was scheduled to make with the Vikings.



Paying $10M for an aging RB in a non-premium position is not in the best interests of the Buffalo Bills.

[sukie]

Hey nottie… yes RB shortest careers but not by much more than a few months that of WRs.

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[Mr. Pink]

Average length of career by position for WR and RB.

WR - 2.81 years

RB - 2.57 years

So we're talking legitimately 2 games difference.

[notacon]

Average length of career by position for WR and RB.

WR - 2.81 years

RB - 2.57 years

So we're talking legitimately 2 games difference.

Seriously?!?!? So, you really believe that RB’s do NOT have shorter careers because of the abuse they take by virtue of their position?!?!?

Using this stat as a “legitimate” argument is not legitimate in the least. And I suspect you know that.

The utter lack of intelligent thought courses through so many posts just (it seems) to refute what I wrote (just because I wrote it, despite the fact that this notion is well known and widely accepted)....very apparently accurate and benign observations.

How lame. :rolleyes:

[sukie]

It’s an average of about 3 months. It’s math. Pretty factual

[Mr. Pink]

Seriously?!?!? So, you really believe that RB’s do NOT have shorter careers because of the abuse they take by virtue of their position?!?!?

Using this stat as a “legitimate” argument is not legitimate in the least. And I suspect you know that.

The utter lack of intelligent thought courses through so many posts just (it seems) to refute what I wrote (just because I wrote it, despite the fact that this notion is well known and widely accepted)....very apparently accurate and benign observations.

How lame. :rolleyes:

The numbers don't lie.

Spin it any way you want.

The average career for anybody that makes the NFL isn't that long. League average, any position, 3.33 years.

[notacon]

The numbers don't lie.

Spin it any way you want.

The average career for anybody that makes the NFL isn't that long. League average, any position, 3.33 years.

YOU are the one spinning it. And the number DO lie....many, many times. Like on this subject.

[Forward_Lateral]

Sure, why not sign a 5th RB that they aren't going to use

[YardRat]

It’s an average of about 3 months. It’s math. Pretty factual

Player "years" are measured in games played per season (per the CBA), not the traditional calendar, so Pink's claim of 2 games is closer (so two weeks for all intents and purposes).

[notacon]

Player "years" are measured in games played per season (per the CBA), not the traditional calendar, so Pink's claim of 2 games is closer (so two weeks for all intents and purposes).

Using the “average career” of different NFL positions, like I said, is not relevant and certainly the “numbers" DO “lie”

Averages are not always a credible metric. Simple example is if you look at 10 people’s income.....one earns $10,000,000, one earns $100,000 and the other nine can $50,000.....the “average income” of the ten is $1,050,000. “Average” is meaningless is a lot of cases.

Average career for NFL players, in and of itself, has disputes on how the data is manipulated as evidenced by the NFL trying to spin it’s way (https://www.businessinsider.com/nfls-spin-average-career-length-2011-4?r=US&IR=T) to saying that NFL careers are not as short as in generally accepted.

The fact that only about 30% of drafted players actually make it on a roster (https://en.as.com/nfl/what-percentage-of-drafted-players-make-an-nfl-roster-n/#). Quality of performance (or lack thereof) is probably a more critical factor on “short” career than injury.

Since some of my nemeses cannot comprehend a rather simple concept composing RB’s to WR’s. I did some of my own research.

What's really critical to the question of age vs value and contribution is how players perform as they age. So, I looked closely at 2022 stats for the top 50 players in rushing yards and receiving yards as compared to age.

The results were not surprising.

Of the top 50 of each....

The number of players with the top 50 in rushing yards that were 30 years old or over (measured by birth year...anyone who turns 30 in 2023)??

Top 50 - THREE
Top 20 - ONE
Top 10 - NONE

The number of players with the top 50 on receiving yards that were 30 years old or over (measured by birth year...anyone who turns 30 in 2023)??

Top 50 - ELEVEN
Top 20 - FIVE
Top 10 - THREE

The facts are undeniable. RB’s “age” quicker than WR’s (and top quality TE’s). The falloff seems to accelerate at the age of 28 for RB’s. It does not do the same for pass catchers.

[sukie]

Just like average global temperatures. All things the same except raise the low max temperature and the averages move up. But no one questions that.