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  • notacon
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    • Aug 2012
    • 33036

    Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

    Joe Buscaglia in his usual stellar reporting and analysis of the Buffalo Bills, published this interesting article today.


    Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August


    As a way of working around not receiving any compensatory picks over the past several years, Bills general manager Brandon Beane has taken advantage of the August trade market before final cuts. Although Buffalo isn’t acquiring substantial picks in return, it’s gotten something from several of its previous investments.


    Since Beane took over in 2017, the Bills have traded away six players in late August before 53-man rosters were due. Rather than having to cut a player they like, Beane has shown he prefers to get something in return to push the investment forward.
    Bills players Beane traded away in late August since 2017


    2022
    Cody Ford
    OL
    5th-round pick
    2021
    Darryl Johnson
    DE
    6th-round pick
    2019
    Russell Bodine
    OL
    6th-round pick
    2019
    Wyatt Teller
    OL
    5th- & 6th-round picks
    2018
    A.J. McCarron
    QB
    5th-round pick
    2017
    Reggie Ragland
    LB
    4th-round pick


    This year, the Bills are up against the salary cap and will need to shed some space, whether it’s through trades or contract restructures, to get cap-compliant for the 53-man roster. They also have some loaded positions where they could be forced to make a tough decision.
    Which names could be on the list of trade candidates for Beane to consider this August?

    Here are 10 players who could be of interest this summer.....


    More...
    The list is hard to question considering some of the recent signings and draft choices….


    DE Boogie Basham
    DT Tim Settle
    DE A.J. Epenesa
    RB Nyheim Hines
    IOL Ryan Bates
    OL David Quessenberry
    OL David Edward
    OL Ike Boettger
    OL Brandon Shell


    He provides his usual astute analysis explaining each player being included and the situation surrounding any potential trade.


    There was one surprise player on the list, but the analysis makes some sense…

    CB Kaiir Elam

    Post-June 1 cap savings if traded: $1.33 million


    It’s probably a year too early to consider trading a first-round pick like Elam, though there is at least a legitimate argument for doing it this summer rather than waiting until 2024. The Bills have indicated through several actions that they’re unsettled at the second boundary cornerback position. They re-signed Dane Jackson to a fully guaranteed one-year deal. After an offseason of weighing their options, they kept Christian Benford at cornerback rather than moving him to safety. And less important but still notable, they signed 25-year-old boundary cornerback Cameron Dantzler, who has started 26 games over the past three seasons. In the team’s perfect world, Elam would grab hold of the second cornerback job this summer in the preseason; Jackson, Benford and possibly Dantzler would be good depth; and Elam and Tre’Davious Whitewould be the no-doubt pairing for several seasons.


    However, something is holding the Bills back from Elam being the locked-in starter. Beane mentioned that some inconsistencies in practice played into the equation last year but said Elam “cleaned up a lot of that” in games. Even still, Beane concluded his recent answer on Elam with: “We’re going to make everyone earn it. It doesn’t matter where you were selected or what your salary is.” Beane usually would not say something like that for established starters on his team.


    If Elam does not progress and is behind Jackson and Benford on the depth chart, the Bills could at least cover that up before the regular season. It would keep Elam’s trade value far higher to an acquiring team, and the other team would see a young cornerback with potentially four years of roster control (including the fifth-year option). If they wait a year and watch him be a backup player, the return value on Elam will decrease quite a bit. Trading him this summer would be a risk in terms of seeing a high pick flourish elsewhere, but if they feel he’s still behind Jackson and Benford and they could recoup a second- or third-round pick for him, it’s something they could consider. The extreme likelihood is they hold on to Elam and see if he can get there in 2023, but it’s at least worth mentioning if the worst-case scenario arrives this summer.
    Elam did not take a solid hold on the #2 CB spot last year despite being a first-round pick.

    That, in and of itself, was a disappointment since the Bills allowed Levi Wallace to go to Pittsburgh for a relative pittance ($4M AVG/Y). They obviously expected the draft to fill that hole.

    Although they did not hand the job to Elam, it was there for him to take.

    Instead, 6th round pick (#185 overall) Christian Benford clearly outplayed Elam and if not for Benford suffering injuries (breaking his hand in week #3 after starting the first 3 games of the season) and then going on injured reserve after the Detroit game in week #12) he seemed closer to nailing down the starting #2 CB spot than Elam.

    Sure looks like he is going to have to win the starting job outright in training camp or he may not long for this team.
  • sukie
    Seriously?
    • Sep 2012
    • 21514

    #2
    Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

    Didn’t Buffalo just sign a couple of those guys? Who is gonna trade anything for Settle? Quessenberry?

    you really expect draft picks for those 2?

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    • OpIv37
      Acid Douching Asswipe
      • Sep 2002
      • 101275

      #3
      Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

      One flaw in the logic: the teams usually publicize depth charts. And even if the Bills don’t do that, other teams will probably do the same thing the author of this article did, and assume that if Elam is on the trade block, it means he’s no higher than 3rd on the depth chart.

      Now, no one is going to blame him for being behind Tre White. If White returns to his pre-injury form, he’s one of the better corner in the league. But, if White can’t beat out Benford and/or Jackson, how much would another team be willing to give up for him? I doubt it would be a good return.

      That being said, CB has a high learning curve, and while Elam struggled a bit last year, I think it would be a mistake to give up on him after 1 year and 1 additional preseason.
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      • notacon
        Registered User
        • Aug 2012
        • 33036

        #4
        Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

        Originally posted by sukie View Post
        Didn’t Buffalo just sign a couple of those guys? Who is gonna trade anything for Settle? Quessenberry?

        you really expect draft picks for those 2?
        The same could have been said about several of the late trades Beane made. As Joe pointed out.

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        • notacon
          Registered User
          • Aug 2012
          • 33036

          #5
          Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

          Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
          One flaw in the logic: the teams usually publicize depth charts. And even if the Bills don’t do that, other teams will probably do the same thing the author of this article did, and assume that if Elam is on the trade block, it means he’s no higher than 3rd on the depth chart.

          Now, no one is going to blame him for being behind Tre White. If White returns to his pre-injury form, he’s one of the better corner in the league. But, if White can’t beat out Benford and/or Jackson, how much would another team be willing to give up for him? I doubt it would be a good return.

          That being said, CB has a high learning curve, and while Elam struggled a bit last year, I think it would be a mistake to give up on him after 1 year and 1 additional preseason.
          Joe addressed this point when he wrote....”If Elam does not progress and is behind Jackson and Benford on the depth chart, the Bills could at least cover that up before the regular season.

          Never underestimate what a team is wiling to give up for a young player, in a premium position, on a rookie contract.

          Joe also addressed that as well....”the other team would see a young cornerback with potentially four years of roster control (including the fifth-year option).


          No one here has any idea if Elam is even close to be considered trade bait. But, the scenario cannot be dismissed out of hand.

          As Joe said “The extreme likelihood is they hold on to Elam and see if he can get there in 2023, but it’s at least worth mentioning if the worst-case scenario arrives this summer."

          I certainly would like the see him progress during training camp and make him being the starter a no-brainer, without any doubt.
          Last edited by notacon; 06-08-2023, 03:50 PM.

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          • Mace
            Haha...yeah you think so ?
            • Mar 2013
            • 20315

            #6
            Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

            If you didn't see Elam progress when he got snaps..you don't watch the games. It's absurd to think they'd trade him.

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            • sukie
              Seriously?
              • Sep 2012
              • 21514

              #7
              Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

              Originally posted by notacon View Post
              The same could have been said about several of the late trades Beane made. As Joe pointed out.
              Who cares what Joe pointed out. What do YOU think? Sometimes you need to step away from the appeal to authority tendency. You think Settle and Quizzles will get anything back in a trade?

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              • YardRat
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                • Dec 2004
                • 86239

                #8
                Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                IMO Epenesa and Basham are at the top of the list.
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                • YardRat
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                  • Dec 2004
                  • 86239

                  #9
                  Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                  Also IMO Joe B is only including Elam for click-bait. He's a sub-par journalist that has to create issues to keep his name relevant.
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                  • Night Train
                    Retired - On Several Levels
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 33117

                    #10
                    Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                    Canceled my Athletic subscription. They lost a lot of writers and I wonder if they need to merge with someone to keep in business. Joe B is OK but is hardly the measuring stick for analysis.Tries too hard to make points on certain players.
                    So much free stuff out there on the net and on youtube that is better. Besides, we can all see the games ourselves when they play. Film doesn't lie. One has to take camp reports, practice reports at face value. I get living out of town has it's limitations on info. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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                    • Forward_Lateral
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 29897

                      #11
                      Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                      Stopped reading after I saw Elam on the list.

                      Absolutely ridiculous. Joe B is a moron.

                      Elam was starting at the end of the season, and their best corner on the field.

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                      • notacon
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 33036

                        #12
                        Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                        Originally posted by Mace View Post
                        If you didn't see Elam progress when he got snaps..you don't watch the games. It's absurd to think they'd trade him.
                        Jesus. This false “you don’t watch the game” card is silly.

                        Yes, Elam did improve very late in the season, but not nearly enough to get even close to securing the starting #2 CB job.


                        That is very obvious by, yeah, watching the games. His “progress’ was only notable because he was being outplayed by a 6th round pick early in the season. As I said above, if not for the injuries to Benford, he may have been even worse for him.

                        He was a healthy scratch in week 14. Not a good sign for a first round pick who was expected to be an unquestioned starter.

                        To anyone who has actually watched the games, there is no doubt that Elam had a very underwhelming first year. He is in a dogfight for the CB position this summer and it is not anywhere close to securing that position, which he should be by now.

                        No, it is not “absurd” the think the Bills would trade him, but it certainly would not be impossible. As is the idea that either Benford or Dantzer could either be starter or get a substantial percentage of snaps opposite Tre’ White.

                        Are you objecting to what is readily apparent (that Elam has not grabbed the starting position as a first round pick is expected to) because I have observed the obvious or because you really don’t believe what is right in front of your eyes?

                        As I already said, I certainly would like the see him progress during training camp and make him being the starter a no-brainer, without any doubt.

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                        • notacon
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                          • Aug 2012
                          • 33036

                          #13
                          Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                          Originally posted by sukie View Post
                          Who cares what Joe pointed out. What do YOU think? Sometimes you need to step away from the appeal to authority tendency. You think Settle and Quizzles will get anything back in a trade?
                          I already said exactly what I think several times.

                          My observations of Elam’s underwhelming first season is fairly easy to realize.

                          As for him being traded, I agree with Joe that it would be an “extreme likelihood” that he is not. And I, along with every other Bills fan would like the see him progress during training camp and make him being the starter a no-brainer, without any doubt.

                          - - - Updated - - -

                          Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                          IMO Epenesa and Basham are at the top of the list.
                          Absolutely.

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                          • notacon
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 33036

                            #14
                            Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                            Also IMO Joe B is only including Elam for click-bait. He's a sub-par journalist that has to create issues to keep his name relevant.
                            That’s just silly nonsense.

                            How can it be “click bait” if Elam’s name is no where to be found (certainly not in the title) until well into the body of the article, which (I assume) is behind their paywall.

                            I suspect that you would not even know that Elam was on the lost UNTIL I POSTED IT!!!

                            No, Joe Buscaglia is NOT a "sub-par journalist”. That’s just so obtuse and shows your bias.

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                            • notacon
                              Registered User
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 33036

                              #15
                              Re: Assessing Bills’ summer trade candidates: 10 players to watch in late August

                              Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
                              Stopped reading after I saw Elam on the list.

                              Absolutely ridiculous. Joe B is a moron.

                              Elam was starting at the end of the season, and their best corner on the field.
                              No, Elam was not "their best corner on the field” at the end of the season. That statement is absolutely ridiculous.


                              He may have been the nominal “starter” by virtue of being on the filed at the start of the game, but did stay on the field more than 47.6% of the defensive snaps for the last three regular season games and was a healthy scratch the fourth last game of the season (week #14 vs NYJ).


                              Specifically his snap count was....

                              Week #14 vs Jets - 0%
                              Week #15 vs Miami - 47.5%
                              Week #16 vs Chicago - 47.6%
                              Week #18 vs NE - 42.6%

                              Tre’ White, on the other hand, in the same four last games of the seasons never went below 92.1% of the snaps with three of the games 100%....

                              Week #14 vs Jets - 100%
                              Week #15 vs Miami - 100%
                              Week #16 vs Chicago - 92.1%
                              Week #18 vs NE - 100%


                              If Elam was "their best corner on the field”, he would have been on the field 100% (or slightly less), not below 50%.

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