Will Greg Rousseau become an elite pass rusher in 2023?

[Woodman]

Rousseau’s pass-rush win rate was 17th in the NFL among all edge rushers per PFF. He did this over the course of the season despite losing his pass-rushing mate, not getting much help from the replacements opposite him, suffering through an ankle injury of his own, and experiencing diminished production from the starting 3-technique defensive tackle on his line. Given how incredibly raw Rousseau was coming out of college and his trajectory so far, it’s not difficult to project a double-digit sack season and a continued push into elite pass-rushing status for him in 2023.


Explain both sides- will Greg Rousseau become an elite pass rusher in 2023? - Buffalo Rumblings (https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2023/7/5/23783501/explain-both-sides-will-buffalo-bills-de-greg-rousseau-become-an-elite-pass-rusher-in-2023-ed-oliver)

[YardRat]

He better. Otherwise it's just another reach for Beane that under-performs his draft position.

[Novacane]

He better. Otherwise it's just another reach for Beane that under-performs his draft position.



That's nonsense. People act like every 1rst round pick is supposed to be a super star. 50% of them are busts. How many ever actually become elite? If they become a solid long term contributor it was a decent pick. If he became elite that's a huge bonus.

[OpIv37]

He better. Otherwise it's just another reach for Beane that under-performs his draft position.

It’s too early to completely give up on him, but he is starting to seem like a typical Beane pick: not completely useless but doesn’t live up to the hype or draft position.

[sukie]

Rousseau every year is getting bigger which was needed. The guy is really good against the run and his size and wingspan is disruptive. I haven’t written off the pass rush. Playing opposite Floyd will be great to watch. Once Von returns I like the pass rush potential.

[cas22]

scheme has everything to do with production'' lets see what he can do on a more aggressive style defense this year...

[gr8slayer]

Depends on your definition of "elite". I don't think that he has to be "elite" for him to be considered a success story.

[Bill Cody]

I don't need elite but I'm looking for a little more this year

[Mr. Pink]

Nope.

Just another draft whiff, which outside of Allen is the norm around here.

[notacon]

Nope.

Just another draft whiff, which outside of Allen is the norm around here.

You keep on proving my point....It’s amazing (but not surprising....the usual negativity from the usual anti-Bills suspects) that the biggest whiners and naysayers concerning every draft pick and player on the Bills except for Josh Allen come from so-called Bills “fans”.

[Novacane]

Some of you need to do a little research to back up your whining. Beane has had 6 drafts. Go check all the 1rst round picks of the last 6 years. How many are elite? There's this perception that if 1rst rounders don't turn into the top players at their position it was a bad draft pick. It's nonsense. If you get a solid starter who's good enough to get a 2nd contract from you it was a good pick.

[ParanoidAndroid]

2017: Tre White
2018: Allen, Edmunds
2019: Oliver
2020: None
2021: Rousseau
2022: Elam

Zero busts.

[OpIv37]

2017: Tre White
2018: Allen, Edmunds
2019: Oliver
2020: None
2021: Rousseau
2022: Elam

Zero busts.
The problem isn’t that they’re busts. The problem is that no one after Allen is worthy of the first round. Jury’s still out on Rousseau and Elam, but early results aren’t promising.

A pick doesn’t have to be a Maybin- or Whitner- level bust to be a bad pick.

[Forward_Lateral]

The problem isn’t that they’re busts. The problem is that no one after Allen is worthy of the first round. Jury’s still out on Rousseau and Elam, but early results aren’t promising.

A pick doesn’t have to be a Maybin- or Whitner- level bust to be a bad pick.
White was a sure fire 1st round pick.

[notacon]

The problem isn’t that they’re busts. The problem is that no one after Allen is worthy of the first round. Jury’s still out on Rousseau and Elam, but early results aren’t promising.

A pick doesn’t have to be a Maybin- or Whitner- level bust to be a bad pick.

Baloney!!!!! Pure boloney.

[Typ0]

I am with most here ... 'elite' would be nice but if he continues to grow that is what we need out of him most. There is opportunity this year on the defense the supporting cast should be better...

[ParanoidAndroid]

The problem isn’t that they’re busts. The problem is that no one after Allen is worthy of the first round. Jury’s still out on Rousseau and Elam, but early results aren’t promising.

A pick doesn’t have to be a Maybin- or Whitner- level bust to be a bad pick.
By your logic, more than half of all 1st round draft picks in history would not be worth the first round.

[notacon]

By your logic, more than half of all 1st round draft picks in history would not be worth the first round.

Actually...a LOT less than half since a good percentage of first round picks are bona-fide busts.

The list that you provided shows how well the Bills have done in 1st round picks since 2017

2017: Tre White
2018: Allen, Edmunds
2019: Oliver
2020: None
2021: Rousseau
2022: Elam

Not only were none off them even close to “busts”....every single one of these players absolutely were more than “worthy” to be first round picks.

Tre’ White, Allen and Edmunds are all two time Pro Bowlers. Oliver is poised to join that group. He was dominate at times this past season.

Rousseau has had an excellent start to his career and could easily break out to an elite pass rusher in 2023....the third season is usually when young players show they are 100% for real (exactly how long it took Josh Allen). Elam showed great progress at the end of last season.

It’s amazing (but not surprising) that some posters have to belly ache about stuff that does not deserve belly aching.

[Woodman]

That's nonsense. People act like every 1rst round pick is supposed to be a super star. 50% of them are busts. How many ever actually become elite? If they become a solid long term contributor it was a decent pick. If he became elite that's a huge bonus.
Agree keeping it real! :gobills:

[Woodman]

scheme has everything to do with production'' lets see what he can do on a more aggressive style defense this year...
High hopes here!!!!!!!

:gobills:

[YardRat]

Some of you need to do a little research to back up your whining. Beane has had 6 drafts. Go check all the 1rst round picks of the last 6 years. How many are elite? There's this perception that if 1rst rounders don't turn into the top players at their position it was a bad draft pick. It's nonsense. If you get a solid starter who's good enough to get a 2nd contract from you it was a good pick.


2017: Tre White
2018: Allen, Edmunds
2019: Oliver
2020: None
2021: Rousseau
2022: Elam

Zero busts.


That's nonsense. People act like every 1rst round pick is supposed to be a super star. 50% of them are busts. How many ever actually become elite? If they become a solid long term contributor it was a decent pick. If he became elite that's a huge bonus.

First round picks should be the core of your team, not average or 'solid' starters.

White wasn't drafted by Beane.
Allen appears to be home run, Edmunds under-achieved and wasn't considered important enough to keep around.
Oliver has been hit-and-miss, certainly not top 10 dominant. Pretty sure most people wouldn't have been surprised if he was allowed to walk like Edmunds.
2020...basically passed on what may be the best receiver in the NFL at the moment.
Rousseau and Elam, we'll see. That's why we're wondering if Groot will be definitely worth a second contract, or a maybe-maybe not like Oliver.

Allen is the only one that qualifies as 'core', the rest play at a level that one can get in any round, if they are picking the right player.

[Novacane]

First round picks should be the core of your team, not average or 'solid' starters.

White wasn't drafted by Beane.
Allen appears to be home run, Edmunds under-achieved and wasn't considered important enough to keep around.
Oliver has been hit-and-miss, certainly not top 10 dominant. Pretty sure most people wouldn't have been surprised if he was allowed to walk like Edmunds.
2020...basically passed on what may be the best receiver in the NFL at the moment.
Rousseau and Elam, we'll see. That's why we're wondering if Groot will be definitely worth a second contract, or a maybe-maybe not like Oliver.

Allen is the only one that qualifies as 'core', the rest play at a level that one can get in any round, if they are picking the right player.


The Bills would say those are core players.

[YardRat]

The Bills would say those are core players.

Allen and Oliver are the only two drafted by Beane re-signed. Rousseau and Elam are TBD and pretty sure nobody considers them core players at this point.

[daryls61]

Big fan of Groot. Should have big season in year 3. Solid starter in a win in the 1st round considering how many wash out.

[gr8slayer]

The problem isn’t that they’re busts. The problem is that no one after Allen is worthy of the first round. Jury’s still out on Rousseau and Elam, but early results aren’t promising.

A pick doesn’t have to be a Maybin- or Whitner- level bust to be a bad pick.

I think that the average person puts too much equity into where someone was drafted.

The reality is that only about 1/3 of players taken in the first round actually equate to anything... Only 31% of them make it to a second contract with the team that drafted them.

A reasonable expectation of a first round pick is that they are contributors (hopefully major). Using that as the baseline, I think that Beane has done a fine job as all of his first rounders have been starters or major contributors.

[notacon]

First round picks should be the core of your team, not average or 'solid' starters.

White wasn't drafted by Beane.
Allen appears to be home run, Edmunds under-achieved and wasn't considered important enough to keep around.
Oliver has been hit-and-miss, certainly not top 10 dominant. Pretty sure most people wouldn't have been surprised if he was allowed to walk like Edmunds.
2020...basically passed on what may be the best receiver in the NFL at the moment.
Rousseau and Elam, we'll see. That's why we're wondering if Groot will be definitely worth a second contract, or a maybe-maybe not like Oliver.

Allen is the only one that qualifies as 'core', the rest play at a level that one can get in any round, if they are picking the right player.

:rofl: Edmunds hater to the end huh?

How pathetic.

NFL Execs, coaches, players rank Matt Milano #4 off-ball LB for 2023 (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263466-NFL-Execs-coaches-players-rank-Matt-Milano-4-off-ball-LB-for-2023)




That’s great news. Matt Milano deserves all the accolades that are coming his way.

Unfortunately for the Edmunds haters, they rank Tremaine Edmunds #3.


ESPN gathers about 80 (for 2023) NFL professionals together every year since 2020 to rank each position. A reminder on how the process works (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/37773470/ranking-nfl-top-10-ball-linebackers-2023-execs-coaches-players-make-their-picks-best-linebackers)…


By way of refresher, here's how our process works: Voters give us their best 10 players at a position, then we compile the results and rank candidates based on number of top-10 votes, composite average, along with dozens of interviews, research and film-study help from ESPN NFL analyst Matt Bowen. In total, more than 80 voters submitted a ballot on at least one position, and in many cases all positions. We had several ties, so we broke them with the help of additional voting and follow-up calls with those surveyed.

Each section includes quotes and nuggets from the voters on every ranked player -- even the honorable mentions. The objective is to identify the best players right now for 2023. This is not a five-year projection or a career achievement award. Who are the best players today?
...snip...


Edmunds has been ranked, by actual NFL professionals in the Top 10 of off-ball LB’s for the past several years…

2022 – Edmunds ranked #7 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/34168579/ranking-nfl-top-10-ball-linebackers-2022-execs-coaches-players-make-their-picks-best-linebackers)

2021 – Edmunds ranked #8 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/31765336/ranking-nfl-top-10-linebackers-2021-execs-coaches-players-make-their-picks)

2020 – Edmunds ranked #7 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/29460392/ranking-nfl-top-10-linebackers-2020-best-hybrid-playmakers-d)



The REAL NFL experts don’t agree with your ignorant baloney one iota. Which means your analysis is not credible and nearly worthless.

[John Doe]

Judging Rousseau's impact strictly on his pass rushing ability is short sighted. He is good at it, but not spectacular.

He is already an elite run defender. For some reason, this does not mean anything to a lot of fans.

[swiper]

He better. Otherwise it's just another reach for Beane that under-performs his draft position.

That sums it up well.