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  • notacon
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    • Aug 2012
    • 32991

    O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

    Intriguing idea from Buffalo News’ Ryan O’Halloran.

    Probably not going to happen, but, it could. He lays out the full possibilities. It’s not the wildest idea….


    Ryan O'Halloran: Bills should make Broncos say 'No!' on trade offer for cornerback Pat Surtain II


    A 28-point win over the Miami Dolphins on Sunday afternoon, followed by the Kansas City Chiefs’ three-point squeaker over the New York Jets hours later, confirmed the Buffalo Bills as equal parts the class of their division and conference.

    But a reinforcement is required after top cornerback Tre’Davious White sustained a season-ending torn Achilles tendon.

    It is time for General Manager Brandon Beane to go all in, which he has done before (see defensive end Von Miller in free agency).

    It is time for Beane to get really bold, which he has done before (see trading a first-round pick for receiver Stefon Diggs).

    Before the Bills fly to London on Thursday night for Sunday’s game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, Beane should call Denver Broncos GM George Paton.

    Make Paton say, “Heck, no!” to a trade offer for terrific cornerback Pat Surtain II.

    Surtain, 23, is in his third NFL season after being drafted ninth overall by Paton in 2021 and has six interceptions in 37 games.


    Why the 1-3 Broncos should consider it: They don’t have enough good players and even if they beat the Jets this week, they are no match for Kansas City or even the Los Angeles Chargers in the AFC West. They need to rebuild their depth chart and Surtain is the best commodity to trade. Will it invite immediate scorn and pain? Of course. Will it help the Broncos become competitive down the line? Possibly.

    …snip…

    But it won’t come cheap (Part 1): A comparable price would be what Jacksonville got for disgruntled cornerback Jalen Ramsey in 2019 – first-round picks in 2020-21 and a fourth-rounder in 2021. Surtain is better than Ramsey and doesn’t carry any drama.

    The Bills’ package should start with their 2024 first-round pick and cornerback Kaiir Elam (2022 first-round selection). It would be hard for Beane to deal Elam, who figures to be active Sunday for the first time this year. But the Bills have Christian Benford or Dane Jackson to play opposite Surtain and Taron Johnson is set as the nickel.

    Our offer would be Elam, a 2024 first and a 2025 second that becomes a first if the Bills win the Super Bowl after the ’23 or ’24 seasons.
    But it won’t come cheap (Part 2): Surtain will eventually be the NFL’s highest-paid cornerback; he is eligible for a contract extension in March 2024. The Bills would pick up his fifth-year option for 2025 (the industry website Over The Cap projects that at $19.73 million if Surtain makes a second Pro Bowl).

    …snip…

    The tough decision for Beane would be moving on from White after the season. (It’s OK to feel bad for White about his injury, but the game and the football business goes on – he would be the first to admit that.)

    Cutting White would result in $10.36 million and $4.13 million “dead” cap hits in 2024-25. But the Bills create $6.26 million and $12.54 million, respectively, in space.

    Surtain would be a bargain next year – his base salary is only $1.05 million and he has a $2.46 million roster bonus. The aforementioned fifth-year option number could be lowered with a contract extension that pushes money into the future when the cap will continue to rise.

    Trading Elam would mean “dead” cap hits of $3.57 million and $1.78 million in 2023-24, respectively, per Over The Cap.

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  • Forward_Lateral
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    • Mar 2004
    • 29895

    #2
    Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

    It's a high price to pay, but Surtain is better than any corner they'd pick in the 1st rounds of the next 2 drafts, plus you have him for this year plus 2 more at minimum. If they could somehow do it without trading Elam, who I think it's too early to give up on, I'd prefer it, but I would not complain if they made a move like this.

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    • Historian
      2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
      • Dec 2002
      • 61705

      #3
      Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

      Swap him for Elam and next years second

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      • Canadian'eh!
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        • Mar 2004
        • 12879

        #4
        Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

        I'd do it.

        Elam is a bust. I'm not sure his involvement matters. They might take a flyer on him since he's cheap and maybe would do better in their system.

        A first is not so bad for a TOP young CB when you consider it will almost certainly be a 20 or later, and the other is a low second and only another low 1st if we win a SB.

        Would Denver Do it? I'm guessing no. The only reason i think MAYBE is that they clearly overpaid for Wilson and might want to stock up on draft capital for what obviously is a needed rebuild.

        My question is, what might other teams offer if they WOULD trade Surtain. I'm guessing 2 1sts that are higher picks might be out there.

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        • Canadian'eh!
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          • Mar 2004
          • 12879

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          Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

          Originally posted by Historian View Post
          Swap him for Elam and next years second
          Or just ask "pretty please"?

          Elam and a 2nd gets you laughed at and hung up on.

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          • Buffalogic
            Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
            • Feb 2006
            • 5345

            #6
            Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

            Elam is a bust? What a comment. Jeez.

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            • ParanoidAndroid
              My battery is low and it's getting dark.
              • Apr 2004
              • 16833

              #7
              Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

              We have two solid, young CBs who are going to be just fine.

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              • Historian
                2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                • Dec 2002
                • 61705

                #8
                Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                Originally posted by Canadian'eh! View Post
                Or just ask "pretty please"?

                Elam and a 2nd gets you laughed at and hung up on.
                I don't think so.

                You can sweeten the pot a little, but like the piece says, Denver is going nowhere this year, probably next.

                They may even be looking to draft a quarterback.

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                • Novacane
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 42348

                  #9
                  Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                  Not happening.

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                  • OpIv37
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                    • Sep 2002
                    • 101230

                    #10
                    Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                    IIRC the Bills are already roughly $20 million over the projected ‘24 cap with only 42 players under contract. We’d have to eat Tre’s dead cap while still finding cap room for 15 more players and absorbing Surtain’s hit (which is the smallest problem).

                    If we did it, it would be for this year and next because there is no way Beane pays for a top CB FA.

                    I’m on the fence. It would be going all on for this year or maybe next, but it would **** up the cap down the road. And cost a 1st.
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                    • notacon
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                      • Aug 2012
                      • 32991

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                      Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                      Originally posted by Canadian'eh! View Post
                      I'd do it.

                      Elam is a bust. I'm not sure his involvement matters. They might take a flyer on him since he's cheap and maybe would do better in their system.

                      A first is not so bad for a TOP young CB when you consider it will almost certainly be a 20 or later, and the other is a low second and only another low 1st if we win a SB.

                      Would Denver Do it? I'm guessing no. The only reason i think MAYBE is that they clearly overpaid for Wilson and might want to stock up on draft capital for what obviously is a needed rebuild.

                      My question is, what might other teams offer if they WOULD trade Surtain. I'm guessing 2 1sts that are higher picks might be out there.
                      No, Elam is NOT a “bust”. Not even close.

                      The Bills are blessed with Benford coming on quickly. Just because a 6th round like has over performed does not mean that Elam is a bust.

                      In fact, Elam was playing extremely well at the end of last season.

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                      • notacon
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                        • Aug 2012
                        • 32991

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                        Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                        Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                        IIRC the Bills are already roughly $20 million over the projected ‘24 cap with only 42 players under contract. We’d have to eat Tre’s dead cap while still finding cap room for 15 more players and absorbing Surtain’s hit (which is the smallest problem).

                        If we did it, it would be for this year and next because there is no way Beane pays for a top CB FA.

                        I’m on the fence. It would be going all on for this year or maybe next, but it would **** up the cap down the road. And cost a 1st.
                        As O’Halloran observed, Surtain’s cap hit for 2024 would be relatively low. Only $6.6M. Cutting (or trading) Tre’ would result in a $6.2M cap savings for the same year.

                        The 5th year option for Surtain would be effective for the 2025 season, and could easily be lowered with an extension.

                        If anything, moving off of Tre’ and replacing him with Surtain would be a two-fer....an excellent young CB that has years and years ahead of him...and a very favorable cap move.

                        The issue is that Denver will be loath to let him go. And Beane is loath to give up high value draft capital.

                        But, O’Halloran’s idea is very good and realistic. Denver is about to go into a full blown rebuild. And they have to make up for the total ****up of trading for Russell Wilson.

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                        • OpIv37
                          Acid Douching Asswipe
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 101230

                          #13
                          Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                          Originally posted by notacon View Post
                          As O’Halloran observed, Surtain’s cap hit for 2024 would be relatively low. Only $6.6M. Cutting (or trading) Tre’ would result in a $6.2M cap savings for the same year.

                          The 5th year option for Surtain would be effective for the 2025 season, and could easily be lowered with an extension.

                          If anything, moving off of Tre’ and replacing him with Surtain would be a two-fer....an excellent young CB that has years and years ahead of him...and a very favorable cap move.

                          The issue is that Denver will be loath to let him go. And Beane is loath to give up high value draft capital.

                          But, O’Halloran’s idea is very good and realistic. Denver is about to go into a full blown rebuild. And they have to make up for the total ****up of trading for Russell Wilson.
                          Before the deadline, they play the Jets, Pack and Chiefs twice. 3 losses minimum for them. Maybe they’ll be willing to trade after that and we can get him in before the hard part of our schedule.
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                          • Kenny
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                            • Aug 2004
                            • 2728

                            #14
                            Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                            Way too early to make a call on Elam.

                            I mean, everyone gave up on Epenesa, but he's finally (yr4?) playing like we all hoped he would

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                            • notacon
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                              • Aug 2012
                              • 32991

                              #15
                              Re: O’Halloran: “Bills should try to trade for Broncos' Surtain”

                              Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                              Before the deadline, they play the Jets, Pack and Chiefs twice. 3 losses minimum for them. Maybe they’ll be willing to trade after that and we can get him in before the hard part of our schedule.
                              Who knows???? Denver sure looks like a dumpster fire right now.

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