Can this guy be a good interim OC rest of way? Move Dorsey back to qb coach.
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I don't think an internal promotion is going to make a significant difference, especially if you're keeping Dorsey around.
Dorsey has 8 games to fix this.
If he doesn't, go find a real OC in the off-season.
And Daboll isn't going to be fired unless things get a lot worse to where he loses that locker room.
I would say go get McDaniels but the stories coming out of LV are not good.
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Originally posted by ParanoidAndroid View PostI don't think an internal promotion is going to make a significant difference, especially if you're keeping Dorsey around.
Dorsey has 8 games to fix this.
If he doesn't, go find a real OC in the off-season.
And Daboll isn't going to be fired unless things get a lot worse to where he loses that locker room.
I would say go get McDaniels but the stories coming out of LV are not good.
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Originally posted by BuffaloBlitz83 View PostCan this guy be a good interim OC rest of way? Move Dorsey back to qb coach.
They'll probably just play it out though.
“It breaks your heart when someone leaves and you don’t know why.”
"It may be raining but there's a rainbow above you"
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They aren't going to demote Dorsey and have him around the building still, if they go in a different direction at OC he'll be gone completely...as it should be.
They need to bring back Davis Webb, Josh hasn't been the same since he's been gone.YardRat Wall of Fame
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Originally posted by YardRat View PostThey aren't going to demote Dorsey and have him around the building still, if they go in a different direction at OC he'll be gone completely...as it should be.
They need to bring back Davis Webb, Josh hasn't been the same since he's been gone.
Brady had a rep as an up and coming offensive mind. I frankly doubt the clenched McDermott lets any OC roll with their thoughts, not even Daboll. I'm not sure it's even all about Dorsey. I think it's about McDermott across the board.
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Originally posted by Mace View PostIf Allen is that delicate that Davis Webb was a critical component, I don't even know what to say.
Davis Webb now?..."Expect rejection, but expect more to overcome it."
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Originally posted by Mace View PostIf Allen is that delicate that Davis Webb was a critical component, I don't even know what to say.
Brady had a rep as an up and coming offensive mind. I frankly doubt the clenched McDermott lets any OC roll with their thoughts, not even Daboll. I'm not sure it's even all about Dorsey. I think it's about McDermott across the board.
But he isn't.
IMO Webb was a valuable asset for Josh in the film room and on Sundays, pointing things out to Josh that he isn't seeing himself.YardRat Wall of Fame
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Originally posted by Luisito23 View PostLOL, it's always an excuse with him...
Davis Webb now?...YardRat Wall of Fame
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Originally posted by YardRat View PostIf that's directed at me, I've probably been a more vocal critic of Josh, for a longer period of time, than just about anybody.
Everywhere I've read, it has always been a river of excuses for Allen...
I like the guy, but ***, enough is enough."Expect rejection, but expect more to overcome it."
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Originally posted by YardRat View PostWon't really disagree, Allen should be at the point where he is basically the one 'in charge' regardless of who the OC and QB coach is.
But he isn't.
IMO Webb was a valuable asset for Josh in the film room and on Sundays, pointing things out to Josh that he isn't seeing himself.
McDermott's latest is "complimentary football". It's common sense. And it's also common sense that you'll have units that might fail game day, and you have to adapt other ones to compensate....a more aggressive O or D...."complimentary football" is also a catchphrase for a clenching conservative game. McDermott said during his press conference, he needed to find out why they weren't doing certain things. But he's on the headset with these guys all game, he can ask them in real time when it matters. Other teams do this.
McDermott also has his input to Dorsey.....https://billswire.usatoday.com/2023/...s-offense-nfl/
Going back to Daboll....they still do the same things.....erratic offense, inexplicable plays, confused timeouts.....If you're Dorsey or Daboll, you want to use your toys. Allen is a great toy. He thrives in no huddle or up tempo.....but that's anathema to McDermott....omg it's fast and loose....it's crazy......Daboll did not have the same tendencies running the undermanned Giants to the playoffs....he was all about pushing Jones to let it loose. It collapsed this year because they just don't have the players.
So Allen is getting apathetic. They keep throttling it back because McDermott is suffering in a new world. They have speed and personnel, Beane did a good job stocking them with possibilities....then game day comes, and McDermott thinks we're the early 90's Giants for a complementary game against a contender building up steam.
If McDermott won't evolve, the team won't either and eventually they tune out potential in favor of going in to work and coming home because the boss said it's ok, instead of trying to excel or achieve. This deep into the program, that's where they are, they aren't hungry or striving, they're complacent. Davis Webb left for a reason.
Allen can't grow any more under McDermott unless McDermott starts understanding it's ok to know what he doesn't know and manage coordinators without his horror at what they might do.
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Originally posted by Mace View PostIf Allen is that delicate that Davis Webb was a critical component, I don't even know what to say.
Brady had a rep as an up and coming offensive mind. I frankly doubt the clenched McDermott lets any OC roll with their thoughts, not even Daboll. I'm not sure it's even all about Dorsey. I think it's about McDermott across the board.
It will never work with McD as the boss. Like you say, we'll never get the OC needed while he is here. Need to hire an offensive HC who will hold Josh accountable. Time is no longer on Allen's side to evolve into a more complete QB and less of a guy who tries to win the game on each throw.
The change needs to happen this off-season or Josh's career is toast imo. At that point, might as well trade him for now for a new stadium full of assets to a team like the Giants.
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