Josh Allen Arm Strength pass to Shakir

[BuffaloBlitz83]

Flat footed in tight window. Keep on firing! Glad they didn’t play Too safe vs that D

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[Goobylal]

Very few QBs in NFL history could have made that throw.

[Ed]

It's annoying that so many watch that play and say, "He amost threw another pick!". No, he threw a perfect dart that not even the mighty Sauce Gardner could get a finger on. More of that please. Fire away Josh.

[OpIv37]

It's annoying that so many watch that play and say, "He amost threw another pick!". No, he threw a perfect dart that not even the mighty Sauce Gardner could get a finger on. More of that please. Fire away Josh.

It’s not annoying. It’s realistic. During the broadcast they had a vibe of “Josh Allen has the most turnovers this season but no one is talking about how he has the most touchdowns.” Well, guess what? When you’re a SB favorite and you’re 7-3 or 8-2, they talk about the touchdowns. When you’re a SB favorite that’s 5-5 going in and still out of the playoffs at 6-5 after the game, they talk about the turnovers. You are what your record says you are.

[Ed]

It’s not annoying. It’s realistic. During the broadcast they had a vibe of “Josh Allen has the most turnovers this season but no one is talking about how he has the most touchdowns.” Well, guess what? When you’re a SB favorite and you’re 7-3 or 8-2, they talk about the touchdowns. When you’re a SB favorite that’s 5-5 going in and still out of the playoffs at 6-5 after the game, they talk about the turnovers. You are what your record says you are.
It was a perfect pass.

[OpIv37]

It was a perfect pass.

He leads the league in turnovers. He’s going against a great D. The odds are overwhelmingly against completing a perfect pass.

[Woodman]

It was a perfect pass.

It was.

[BuffaloBlitz83]

He leads the league in turnovers. He’s going against a great D. The odds are overwhelmingly against completing a perfect pass.

So you were against attempting that pass?

[Chet]

He leads the league in turnovers. He’s going against a great D. The odds are overwhelmingly against completing a perfect pass.
I hear ya man but it really was a filthy throw. And in this particular game he did a great job of keeping those throws to a minimum and taking what the defense gave him. When he picks and chooses the moments to whip out his dong it really is impressive (nh)

[DraftBoy]

I found this throw incredible not because of the arm strength, but rather the touch he put on the ball to get it over the dropping DL and to Shakir in front of Sauce. That's a depth level throw he's struggled with this season and on Sunday he certainly broke out of that funk.

Good read, great throw, and a nice YAC by Shakir.

[YardRat]

Yeah it was an amazing pass, that's who Josh is. We have gotten used to him being successful on one or two of those every week, throws where you say "How the **** did he do that?". The reason we are where we are now is because for the last 6-7 weeks we haven't seen those throws, he hasn't had the 'perfection' a few times in a game, and he's been off just enough that great play becomes incomplete or a pick.

[Chet]

I found this throw incredible not because of the arm strength, but rather the touch he put on the ball to get it over the dropping DL and to Shakir in front of Sauce. That's a depth level throw he's struggled with this season and on Sunday he certainly broke out of that funk. Good read, great throw, and a nice YAC by Shakir.He had a similar throw against the 49ers in 2020 that he artfully placed just above the outstretched arms of Fred Warner. When he’s hummin’ it’s the best ticket in sports

[Saratoga Slim]

He leads the league in turnovers. He’s going against a great D. The odds are overwhelmingly against completing a perfect pass.
You’re right. We should trade him for someone who always does the safe thing. Maybe Jimmy Garappolo. Or I bet Daboll would be willing to give up Tyrod.

[imbondz]

Rewatching it gave me chills.

[OpIv37]

You’re right. We should trade him for someone who always does the safe thing. Maybe Jimmy Garappolo. Or I bet Daboll would be willing to give up Tyrod.

The thing about gambling is the house always wins in the long run. That’s why Allen leads the league in turnovers. That’s why we are 6-5 and out of the playoffs. That’s why Josh Allen hasn’t won a SB. That’s why Josh Allen never will.

[Saratoga Slim]

The thing about gambling is the house always wins in the long run. That’s why Allen leads the league in turnovers. That’s why we are 6-5 and out of the playoffs. That’s why Josh Allen hasn’t won a SB. That’s why Josh Allen never will.
Brett Fabre owns the all time interception record. And a Super Bowl win.

[OpIv37]

Brett Fabre owns the all time interception record. And a Super Bowl win.

Exception to the rule. Don’t make me type out the long list of Bills’ QBs who threw a lot of interceptions and never even sniffed playoffs.

[Woodman]

Brett Fabre owns the all time interception record. And a Super Bowl win.
He sure as hell did !!

[Woodman]

So you were against attempting that pass?

:snicker: That all depends.

Not for me .... :cheers:

I loved it and will always remember just the great throw and to never over analyze it.

[Woodman]

It's annoying that so many watch that play and say, "He almost threw another pick!". No, he threw a perfect dart that not even the mighty Sauce Gardner could get a finger on. More of that please. Fire away Josh.

In the words of the great John Candy I see trees. :rockout:

[sukie]

This season Josh Allen has 12 INTs Mahomes and Hurts have 10 each.

so is 19 the benchmark magic number?

[Joe Fo Sho]

He leads the league in turnovers. He’s going against a great D. The odds are overwhelmingly against completing a perfect pass.

Imagine being this big of a cry baby.

[Goobylal]

Imagine being this big of a cry baby.

Imagine thinking "I'm going against a great defense, I better not throw anything but 100% safe passes." :rolleyes:

[Joe Fo Sho]

Here are some QBs that have thrown over 200 interceptions in their careers (in no particular order):

Favre, Marino, Peyton, Eli, Brees, Moon, Brady, Namath, Rivers, Bledsoe, Ferguson, Elway, Fouts, Testaverde, Snead, Unitas, Tittle, Stabler, Bradshaw


Here is a list of QBs who have more than 205 total TDs in their first 6 seasons in the NFL (again in no particular order):

Josh Allen


Sling away.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Imagine thinking "I'm going against a great defense, I better not throw anything but 100% safe passes." :rolleyes:

Some people are just soft.

[sukie]

Lecter should lease out a few of our regulars to the KC forum . Ranking 32nd this season in 2nd half points has serious meat on it. They might need to see how alarmist posting is done. lol.

[OpIv37]

Imagine thinking "I'm going against a great defense, I better not throw anything but 100% safe passes." :rolleyes:

12 INT’s on the season.
Leads the league in turnovers since he’s come into the league.

Yeah, at some point he needs to learn that there are throws he can’t make.

[OpIv37]

Here are some QBs that have thrown over 200 interceptions in their careers (in no particular order):

Favre, Marino, Peyton, Eli, Brees, Moon, Brady, Namath, Rivers, Bledsoe, Ferguson, Elway, Fouts, Testaverde, Snead, Unitas, Tittle, Stabler, Bradshaw


Here is a list of QBs who have more than 205 total TDs in their first 6 seasons in the NFL (again in no particular order):

Josh Allen


Sling away.

And once again: if we were 8-2 people would be talking about the touchdowns and not the INT’s.

But we’re 6-5 and out of the playoffs if they started today. So people are taking about the INT’s.

[sukie]

So 12 picks and 8-2 you wouldn’t bring up interceptions?

[sukie]

Mahomes has 10 picks and is dead last in second half points. Dead last but he gets a pass cuz of hardware in the past

[Saratoga Slim]

Exception to the rule. Don’t make me type out the long list of Bills’ QBs who threw a lot of interceptions and never even sniffed playoffs.
Type away. There’s a reason he does make the playoffs virtually every year and they didn’t. It’s cause he’s not only throwing INTs, he’s also scoring a lot.

[FanBack]

The thing about gambling is the house always wins in the long run. That’s why Allen leads the league in turnovers. That’s why we are 6-5 and out of the playoffs. That’s why Josh Allen hasn’t won a SB. That’s why Josh Allen never will.
Great analysis. Not. I've never seen Josh Allen be intercepted when the throw is on the money. Never. Your last two sentences are worthless. Do better. You believe that by being cynical about virtually anything makes you more humanly selective than someone who is not cynical at all.

[OpIv37]

Mahomes has 10 picks and is dead last in second half points. Dead last but he gets a pass cuz of hardware in the past

He gets a pass cuz they’re 2nd in the conference. They’re winning games.

[OpIv37]

Great analysis. Not. I've never seen Josh Allen be intercepted when the throw is on the money. Never. Your last two sentences are worthless. Do better. You believe that by being cynical about virtually anything makes you more humanly selective than someone who is not cynical at all.

Lmao. Plenty of Josh’s INTs were accurate but he made bad decisions and gambled on the throw. You’re just making stuff up.

[FanBack]

Jim Kelly - 237 passing TDs, 175 Ints.

Josh Allen - 160 passing TDs, 72 Ints.

Different Eras - But still. Hopefully OPIv37 appreciates my tutelage.

[OpIv37]

Type away. There’s a reason he does make the playoffs virtually every year and they didn’t. It’s cause he’s not only throwing INTs, he’s also scoring a lot.

And once again, we are 6-5 and currently out of the playoffs. The INT’s are defining him, not the TD’s.

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Jim Kelly - 237 passing TDs, 175 Ints.

Josh Allen - 160 passing TDs, 72 Ints.

Different Eras - But still. Hopefully OPIv37 appreciates my tutelage.
And Jim Kelly never won a SB. Thanks for proving my point.

[FanBack]

Lmao. Plenty of Josh’s INTs were accurate but he made bad decisions and gambled on the throw. You’re just making stuff up.
Show me the video. Sadly, you cannot. I mock your analysis.

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Show me the video. Sadly, you cannot. I mock your analysis.

Just Saying.

[FanBack]

Show me the video. Sadly, you cannot. I mock your analysis.

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Just Saying.

And saying it well.

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And saying it well.
Very well.

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And saying it well.

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Very well.

Very well indeed.

[sukie]

He gets a pass cuz they’re 2nd in the conference. They’re winning games.
So winning is the eraser. Averaging 5 points in second half and committing 12 turnovers (Josh has 15 ) is nothing if they are eeking out wins?

winning ugly got plenty on consternation here think the Giants game.

[OpIv37]

So winning is the eraser. Averaging 5 points in second half and committing 12 turnovers (Josh has 15 ) is nothing if they are eeking out wins?

winning ugly got plenty on consternation here think the Giants game.
You are what your record says they are. Josh could break every TD record known to man. If he’s throwing INT’s and we are still out of the playoffs, it doesn’t matter.

[sukie]

But if in playoffs and winning barely it’s no comment… just to be sure.

[Mr. Pink]

Plays like the one to Shakir are plays he can make.

Sometimes that play gets intercepted and people go nuts over the decision and excoriate him for it. That pass to Davis a few weeks ago where Allen underthrew it even though Davis had a step and there was a window for a 20+ yard play comes to mind. We had people on this board saying Allen shouldn't have thrown that ball and taken a 3 yard dumpoff to Cook instead.

If you're going to lambast him for that decision on the pass to Davis, then you shouldn't be congratulating him on this pass to Shakir.

Or you need to learn this is who Allen is and you're going to have to take the good with the bad because throws like these two examples are just the way things are going to go for Allen over the rest of his career.

[sukie]

Pink, the big difference was the pass to 10 was middle of field. The under throw to Davis and Harty were those sideline throws that everyone knew were coming.

[Novacane]

You take the great with the bad with JA. If you're going to ***** about that throw you should be advocating trading JA and bringing in a game manager.

[notacon]

Very few QBs in NFL history could have made that throw.

We all know that. The trouble is that he thinks he can do it all the time and makes boneheaded mistakes.

Peyton Manning explained it perfectly.


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[Mr. Pink]

Pink, the big difference was the pass to 10 was middle of field. The under throw to Davis and Harty were those sideline throws that everyone knew were coming.

A good throw on that play to Davis, Allen leading Davis instead of underthrowing him, is a 20+ yard play...with Davis only needing to make a move on the safety to basically score. Most likely, a good throw there leads to Davis catching the ball and being forced out of bounds almost immediately. But still a 20+ yard play if the throw is where it should be.

[sukie]

A good throw on that play to Davis, Allen leading Davis instead of underthrowing him, is a 20+ yard play...with Davis only needing to make a move on the safety to basically score. Most likely, a good throw there leads to Davis catching the ball and being forced out of bounds almost immediately. But still a 20+ yard play if the throw is where it should be.

not arguing but it’s not a high percentage play. Most likely requiring a toe drag if slightly off

[YardRat]

Exception to the rule. Don’t make me type out the long list of Bills’ QBs who threw a lot of interceptions and never even sniffed playoffs.

Don't make us type out the long list of QBs in NFL history that are responsible for 205-plus total TDs over their first six seasons.

Oh, wait...there's only one.

[Woodman]

Don't make us type out the long list of QBs in NFL history that are responsible for 205-plus total TDs over their first six seasons.

Oh, wait...there's only one.

and the 6th season isn't even over yet.

[OpIv37]

Don't make us type out the long list of QBs in NFL history that are responsible for 205-plus total TDs over their first six seasons.

Oh, wait...there's only one.
And that one is 6-5 and currently outside the playoffs. /argument.

[YardRat]

A good throw on that play to Davis, Allen leading Davis instead of underthrowing him, is a 20+ yard play...with Davis only needing to make a move on the safety to basically score. Most likely, a good throw there leads to Davis catching the ball and being forced out of bounds almost immediately. But still a 20+ yard play if the throw is where it should be.

Well, that's the difference between praise and criticism. The pass to Shakir was risky, but good. The pass to Davis was poorly thrown. If it was accurate, like the Shakir throw, it would have been a completion.

People don't necessarily ***** about the occasional gunslinger attempts, they ***** about the throws that no 2 or 3 year vet should make regardless of arm strength.

[YardRat]

And that one is 6-5 and currently outside the playoffs. /argument.

The argument isn't over until the season is.