Colts Cut Darius Leonard [Archive] - BillsZone.com

Woodman

11-21-2023, 01:26 PM

Leonard was a 2018 second-round pick and he won defensive rookie of the year while being named a first-team All-Pro. He would be named to the team twice more in the next three seasons, but back injuries limited him to three games last year and he has seen a sharp cut (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/shaquille-leonard-reduced-role-sucks-honestly-dont-know-what-to-do) to his playing time over the course of this season.

Leonard is owed over $6 million for the remainder of this season and is under contract through 2026. Any team claiming him would inherit that contract, but he will be free to sign a new deal with any team as a free agent if he goes unclaimed.

notacon

11-21-2023, 02:21 PM

Yep.

He had major surgery but he came back, and has 65 tackles through 10 games. Not sure why they are dumping him?
His contact is untenable for his performance.

He's not worth $6M for the rest of 2023 besides the fact that the Bills do not have close to that kind of room under the cap today.

Mr. Pink

11-21-2023, 02:22 PM

His contact is untenable for his performance.

He's not worth $6M for the rest of 2023 besides the fact that the Bills do not have close to that kind of room under the cap today.

Was just about to say the same thing.

We cannot afford the guy.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 02:28 PM

His contact is untenable for his performance.

He's not worth $6M for the rest of 2023 besides the fact that the Bills do not have close to that kind of room under the cap today.

And scene.

Canadian'eh!

11-21-2023, 02:46 PM

His contact is untenable for his performance.

He's not worth $6M for the rest of 2023 besides the fact that the Bills do not have close to that kind of room under the cap today.

I doubt he gets claimed.

Indy certainly believes the two back surgeries have ruined his game. Certainly at that price.

Obviously everyone would want that guy 3 years ago, but I haven’t seen him enough to know if that guy still exists.

ghz in pittsburgh

11-21-2023, 02:50 PM

There has to be a reason to be released now besides money. Indy is on the hook for the money if he goes unclaimed.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 02:50 PM

Is his name Shaquille?

ParanoidAndroid

11-21-2023, 03:04 PM

DraftBoy

11-21-2023, 03:07 PM

His contact is untenable for his performance.

He's not worth $6M for the rest of 2023 besides the fact that the Bills do not have close to that kind of room under the cap today.

The Bills are 3.5 under and could move on from Specter, Klein, Anderson, and Van Demark to get enough room for the claim. Then you renegotiate the remainder of the deal to clear the future room.

The Bills could afford it if they wanted to. If he doesn’t get claimed, which is also likely they should at least inquire about his salary demands if you can get him in for Linval Joseph type money.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 03:08 PM

If he goes unclaimed, do we attempt to sign him to the PS?

The game Dodson just had makes me think Beane is okay with what we have.

But imagine a fully healthy Leonard next to Milano as a best case scenario.

I can see it now .... domination !!

DraftBoy

11-21-2023, 03:13 PM

Mad Max

11-21-2023, 03:20 PM

Was just about to say the same thing.

We cannot afford the guy.

Not only would it take further cap damage to afford him, he’s probably washed. His PFF numbers show massive decline…hard. Pass.

Forward_Lateral

11-21-2023, 03:35 PM

His contact is untenable for his performance.

He's not worth $6M for the rest of 2023 besides the fact that the Bills do not have close to that kind of room under the cap today.
He will clear waivers. Nobody is taking that contract knowing they can sign him to a minimum, and besides, he has 65 tackles in 10 games. He'd instantly be better than any other LB on the team currently besides maybe Bernard.

They can easily clear up another 4 million to fit him under, if they want to.

Forward_Lateral

11-21-2023, 03:38 PM

A healthy Leonard and Milano backed up by Bernard and Dodson would be ideal and save us some draft capital.

I'd find a way to get Leonard, Milano and Bernard on the field personally.

DraftBoy

11-21-2023, 03:39 PM

I'd find a way to get Leonard, Milano and Bernard on the field personally.

Also an option, but given McDermott’s propensity for running a lot of nickel, I’m not sure how you accomplish that.

Forward_Lateral

11-21-2023, 03:50 PM

Also an option, but given McDermott’s propensity for running a lot of nickel, I’m not sure how you accomplish that.
They have been running some kind of hybrid 4-3 lately, with Poyer as a LB and both Hyde and Rapp as safeties.

It will be interesting to see what he does vs Philly with Taron likely out. He might not have a choice, because if Dane is out too, I don't think they have the bodies to run nickel at all.

Sorry for hijacking

Mace

11-21-2023, 03:55 PM

11-21-2023, 04:16 PM

sahlensguy

11-21-2023, 04:32 PM

Hard pass.

He's not the same Leonard. Back issues including nerve damage....he only played 3 games last year.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2023/11/21/23971236/report-colts-waive-all-pro-linebacker-shaquille-leonard

There's a video in there....he doesn't move the same.

Hard pass. If this guy never plays another snap, maybe he'll be able to get out of bed in the morning for the rest of his life.

DetoxTent

11-21-2023, 05:18 PM

The Bills are 3.5 under and could move on from Specter, Klein, Anderson, and Van Demark to get enough room for the claim. Then you renegotiate the remainder of the deal to clear the future room.
The Bills could afford it if they wanted to. If he doesn’t get claimed, which is also likely they should at least inquire about his salary demands if you can get him in for Linval Joseph type money.

Did you miss the part about the two back surgeries and his team not playing him? And.....
Darius Leonard 'fell out of love' with football in 2021, spent time improving mental health in offseason (https://www.nfl.com/news/darius-leonard-fell-out-of-love-with-football-2021-mental-health-colts)
No Bills fan should want any part of this. A mental issue and a bad back.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 05:41 PM

Landing spots

Pittsburgh Steelers (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/PIT/pittsburgh-steelers/)

The Steelers linebacker room has been decimated with injuries. So much so, that they needed to lure Myles Jack (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2079677/myles-jack/) out of retirement to help fill the void. Cole Holcomb (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/3116561/cole-holcomb/) and Kwon Alexander (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/1984250/kwon-alexander/) both suffered season-ending injuries recently and were starting Mykal Walker (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2865637/mykal-walker/) on Sunday against the Browns (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/CLE/cleveland-browns/) after he was previously on the practice squad. Leonard could realistically come in and compete for a starting job or insert himself into the rotation with Walker, Jack, and Elandon Roberts (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2007872/elandon-roberts/) to help stabilize this group for Pittsburgh.

Buffalo Bills (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/BUF/buffalo-bills/)

Buffalo could use depth at the linebacker spot as this defense has been hit with several key injuries this season, including Matt Milano (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2078974/matt-milano/). That's not even mentioning that the Bills also lost linebacker Tremaine Edmunds (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2186270/tremaine-edmunds/) in free agency last offseason, so there is a hole here that Leonard could help fill. Tyrel Dodson (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2249181/tyrel-dodson/) and Terrel Bernard (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2868616/terrel-bernard/) have been the starting linebackers, and Leonard could be a rotational option that the Bills could target if he clears waivers.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 05:43 PM

Philadelphia Eagles (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/PHI/philadelphia-eagles/)If Leonard wants to be a legitimate contributor to a Super Bowl (https://cbssports.com/nfl/superbowl/) contender, the Eagles make all the sense in the world as a landing spot if he becomes a free agent. Philly has been leaning on Zach Cunningham (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2079823/zach-cunningham/) and Nicholas Morrow (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/2819225/nicholas-morrow/) as its linebacker duo after sending Nakobe Dean (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/3123073/nakobe-dean/) to injured reserve with a Lisfranc injury. Leonard would be an ideal complement to Cunningham and Morrow to help bolster this position group for the postseason. It's also worth pointing out that there is familiarity here with head coach Nick Sirianni, who served as the Colts offensive coordinator from 2018-2020 and saw firsthand what Leonard is capable of when firing on all cylinders.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 05:45 PM

Chicago Bears (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/CHI/chicago-bears/)If Leonard clears waivers and is looking for a team to latch on with to go on a deep playoff run, the Bears aren't a fit. However, there is a relationship here with Chicago with head coach Matt Eberflus. He was Leonard's defensive coordinator in Indy when he first entered the league in 2018 and during his most prolific years in the league. If Leonard is looking to rekindle that magic, then Chicago makes some sense.

Mace

11-21-2023, 06:29 PM

Chicago Bears (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/CHI/chicago-bears/)

If Leonard clears waivers and is looking for a team to latch on with to go on a deep playoff run, the Bears aren't a fit. However, there is a relationship here with Chicago with head coach Matt Eberflus. He was Leonard's defensive coordinator in Indy when he first entered the league in 2018 and during his most prolific years in the league. If Leonard is looking to rekindle that magic, then Chicago makes some sense.

He's still just not the same Leonard.

DraftBoy

11-21-2023, 06:30 PM

Did you miss the part about the two back surgeries and his team not playing him? And.....
Darius Leonard 'fell out of love' with football in 2021, spent time improving mental health in offseason (https://www.nfl.com/news/darius-leonard-fell-out-of-love-with-football-2021-mental-health-colts)
No Bills fan should want any part of this. A mental issue and a bad back.

Let’s not demonize people who try and get help for mental health. That’s just a ****ty thing to do.

YardRat

11-21-2023, 06:48 PM

I would have loved to have him a couple of years ago, but that time has passed.

acehole

11-21-2023, 06:59 PM

Could or should are 2 different things. Me thinks he is damaged goods.

BuffaloBlitz83

11-21-2023, 07:01 PM

He's still just not the same Leonard.

You wouldn't have a chance at the same Leonard. You get a discount one and hope he helps

YardRat

11-21-2023, 08:12 PM

You wouldn't have a chance at the same Leonard. You get a discount one and hope he helps

Fournette would probably enjoy having somebody to watch the games with.

Woodman

11-21-2023, 09:38 PM

Fournette would probably enjoy having somebody to watch the games with.

He's got plenty of company .... that position is filled.

Mad Max

11-21-2023, 10:27 PM

It sounds like he hasn't been playing well and is not the same player after two back surgeries. The Colts had him splitting early down reps and wouldn't even let him play on 3rd down.

Bernard is playing surprisingly well. There's no way Leonard is an upgrade right now. It's not like the Colts have a good defense. If he could help them he'd still be on the team.
Not only is Bernard doing well but Dodson is also improving…he actually was the top rated LB in the entire NFL last week (crap offensive opponent yes but take the small wins and build).

Woodman

11-21-2023, 10:39 PM

Not only is Bernard doing well but Dodson is also improving…he actually was the top rated LB in the entire NFL last week (crap offensive opponent yes but take the small wins and build).
He was flying all over the place I couldn't believe it was him ..... forget the opponent he was balling !!

jamze132

11-21-2023, 11:12 PM

Anyone miss Edmunds besides nota?

Canadian'eh!

11-22-2023, 11:48 AM

Anyone miss Edmunds besides nota?

He's matched his career high for picks! Though i was watching that game last week and to be fair, Goff threw it straight into his chest for some reason.... but hey... he still caught it.

too bad Detroit could run all over them the rest of the game.... yet he only had 8 combined tackles

72 million? lol

Nottie will write a novel i'm sure, but bottom line....

Edmunds 9 games 77 tackles. 3 TFL. 0 sacks. 2 Ints. 4 PD. 0 FF. 1 FR. 4 years. 72 mil.
Bernard 11 games. 99 tackles. 6TFL. 3.5 sacks. 2 Ints. 4 PD. 0 FF. 3 FR. 4 years. 5 mil.

Bernard is superior in every way.

notacon

11-22-2023, 01:26 PM

Anyone miss Edmunds besides nota?

I never said I "miss" him. Why do you feel the need to make **** up???

The FACT is that I DID warn everyone that the combined loss of Edmunds and Leslie Frazier would probably lead to the defense being worse this year.

That has been undeniably realized. And don't try the "injury" excuse. The Bills had almost all their injuries on the defensive side last season and the defense was still one of the best in the NFL.

This year, the Bills defense is worse, and sometime much worse, in almost every measurable metric. That is despite the impressive addition of Ray Floyd and Oliver not having to struggle with a nagging ankle injury.

In the past, when Milano would miss games, the defense did not struggle that much because Edmunds was there to bolster the defense. When Edmunds was missing they struggled more (some of the worst defensive games were when Edmunds was not on the field....like the 41-15 Indy loss in 2021)

When the Bills don't have Edmunds AND Milano (one the the best LB tandems in the NFL) their team defense suffers.

The facts don't lie.

Mr. Pink

11-22-2023, 01:37 PM

When the Bills don't have Edmunds AND Milano (one the the best LB tandems in the NFL) their team defense suffers.

The facts don't lie.

No but you do.

PPG Allowed last year 17.9 so far this season 17.3

Looks like the defense hasn't suffered any loss due to the almighty Edmunds going elsewhere.

Canadian'eh!

11-22-2023, 01:46 PM

I never said I "miss" him. Why do you feel the need to make **** up???

The FACT is that I DID warn everyone that the combined loss of Edmunds and Leslie Frazier would probably lead to the defense being worse this year.

That has been undeniably realized. And don't try the "injury" excuse. The Bills had almost all their injuries on the defensive side last season and the defense was still one of the best in the NFL.

This year, the Bills defense is worse, and sometime much worse, in almost every measurable metric. That is despite the impressive addition of Ray Floyd and Oliver not having to struggle with a nagging ankle injury.

In the past, when Milano would miss games, the defense did not struggle that much because Edmunds was there to bolster the defense. When Edmunds was missing they struggled more (some of the worst defensive games were when Edmunds was not on the field....like the 41-15 Indy loss in 2021)

When the Bills don't have Edmunds AND Milano (one the the best LB tandems in the NFL) their team defense suffers.

The facts don't lie.

The facts don’t lie, but you sure do.

That’s why you had to mention the injuries. You know damn well there’s more reasons at play to any decline.

Bernard has already proven he’s far superior to Edmunds. Stats don’t lie in that regard.

imagine how trash we’d be with that waste of space still here.

ParanoidAndroid

11-22-2023, 02:08 PM

I thought we would miss Edmunds, too, based on what we saw from Bernard last year. He looked lost.

But I was wrong. Don't miss him at all.

Forward_Lateral

11-22-2023, 02:09 PM

I never said I "miss" him. Why do you feel the need to make **** up???

The FACT is that I DID warn everyone that the combined loss of Edmunds and Leslie Frazier would probably lead to the defense being worse this year.

That has been undeniably realized. And don't try the "injury" excuse. The Bills had almost all their injuries on the defensive side last season and the defense was still one of the best in the NFL.

This year, the Bills defense is worse, and sometime much worse, in almost every measurable metric. That is despite the impressive addition of Ray Floyd and Oliver not having to struggle with a nagging ankle injury.

In the past, when Milano would miss games, the defense did not struggle that much because Edmunds was there to bolster the defense. When Edmunds was missing they struggled more (some of the worst defensive games were when Edmunds was not on the field....like the 41-15 Indy loss in 2021)

When the Bills don't have Edmunds AND Milano (one the the best LB tandems in the NFL) their team defense suffers.

The facts don't lie.
The defense, despite having major injuries, is still ranked 10th in total defense. It's not the #2 defense it was last year, but it's not horrible either, considering all things.

Mace

11-22-2023, 04:49 PM

Let’s not demonize people who try and get help for mental health. That’s just a ****ty thing to do.

Not at all, the bad back is an issue and injuries will mess with your mindset though. They're red flags.

acehole

11-22-2023, 05:07 PM

The facts don’t lie, but you sure do.

That’s why you had to mention the injuries. You know damn well there’s more reasons at play to any decline.

Bernard has already proven he’s far superior to Edmunds. Stats don’t lie in that regard.

imagine how trash we’d be with that waste of space still here.

Besides stats don't mater just feeling...

DetoxTent

11-22-2023, 05:26 PM

Let’s not demonize people who try and get help for mental health. That’s just a ****ty thing to do.

Stop twisting my words. I don't want the Bills to sign him because he has mental issues is not "demonizing" anything. I want the Bills to win games. Signing players with problems, mental or physical, is not doing that. Stick to facts and your own SSRI.

DetoxTent

11-22-2023, 05:29 PM

When the Bills don't have Edmunds AND Milano (one the the best LB tandems in the NFL) their team defense suffers.
The facts don't lie.

You just did. Milano can stand on his own. If you ever thought Edmunds was any good, this season should underscore the fact he isn't. All of Chicago hates him and the money he was given to go there and suck.

DraftBoy

11-22-2023, 07:19 PM

Stop twisting my words. I don't want the Bills to sign him because he has mental issues is not "demonizing" anything. I want the Bills to win games. Signing players with problems, mental or physical, is not doing that. Stick to facts and your own SSRI.

Whatever your issue is with people having mental illness or seeking treatment is your own cross to bear. This is a game not real life and you don’t have even a fraction of an idea what a person may be going through.

Seeking help to get healthy should be applauded and supported, not made into an attempt to alienate somebody because they had the audacity to talk about their issues and say they needed help.

DetoxTent

11-22-2023, 08:45 PM

Whatever your issue is with people having mental illness or seeking treatment is your own cross to bear. This is a game not real life and you don’t have even a fraction of an idea what a person may be going through.
Seeking help to get healthy should be applauded and supported, not made into an attempt to alienate somebody because they had the audacity to talk about their issues and say they needed help.

Don't try to patronize me by twisting my words. You have some personal issues, clearly.

DraftBoy

11-22-2023, 09:03 PM

Don't try to patronize me by twisting my words. You have some personal issues, clearly.

I’m neither patronizing you nor twisting your words, it’s why I quoted you directly. If you have an issue with somebody using your own words then you may want to reflect on that.

Woodman

11-22-2023, 09:55 PM

Shaquille Leonard clears waivers, making him a free agent
Leonard will get his pick of contenders.The Eagles and Cowboys likely will have interest. Both teams have ties to Leonard, and both teams have lost a starting linebacker.
Eagles coach Nick Sirianni was Indianapolis’ offensive coordinator from 2018-20, and Leonard played with Cowboys cornerback Stephon Gilmore with the Colts last season.
Eagles second-year linebacker Nakobe Dean went on injured reserve for the second time this season last week. He has a Lisfranc injury that likely ends his season. The Cowboys placed veteran linebacker Leighton Vander Esch on injured reserve Oct. 16, and announced earlier this month his season is over because of a neck injury.

notacon

11-23-2023, 11:55 AM

The defense, despite having major injuries, is still ranked 10th in total defense. It's not the #2 defense it was last year, but it's not horrible either, considering all things.

Quite right. But, that's not the point. I warned about a regression and that's what happened.

notacon

11-23-2023, 11:57 AM

No but you do.

PPG Allowed last year 17.9 so far this season 17.3

Looks like the defense hasn't suffered any loss due to the almighty Edmunds going elsewhere.

The facts don’t lie, but you sure do.

That’s why you had to mention the injuries. You know damn well there’s more reasons at play to any decline.

Bernard has already proven he’s far superior to Edmunds. Stats don’t lie in that regard.

imagine how trash we’d be with that waste of space still here.

So, I'm "lying" now?!?!?

What crap.

The facts tell all. The defense has regressed just like I warned you all it would.

Forward_Lateral

11-23-2023, 11:58 AM

Quite right. But, that's not the point. I warned about a regression and that's what happened.

There wouldn't be much, if any regression, if Milano, White and Jones were healthy.

You can't compare an injury riddled defense to last year's defense.

If you want to make comparisons, compare Edmunds to his replacement. His replacement is playing ions better than Edmunds ever played, and he's only been the starter for 11 games.

Mr. Pink

11-23-2023, 12:32 PM

So, I'm "lying" now?!?!?

What crap.

The facts tell all. The defense has regressed just like I warned you all it would.

We're giving up less points per game this year than last, that's not a regression.

Woodman

11-23-2023, 01:04 PM

Shaquille Leonard clears waivers, making him a free agent
Leonard will get his pick of contenders.

The Eagles and Cowboys likely will have interest. Both teams have ties to Leonard, and both teams have lost a starting linebacker.
Eagles coach Nick Sirianni was Indianapolis’ offensive coordinator from 2018-20, and Leonard played with Cowboys cornerback Stephon Gilmore with the Colts last season.
Eagles second-year linebacker Nakobe Dean went on injured reserve for the second time this season last week. He has a Lisfranc injury that likely ends his season. The Cowboys placed veteran linebacker Leighton Vander Esch on injured reserve Oct. 16, and announced earlier this month his season is over because of a neck injury.

So he's available so :idunno:

Canadian'eh!

11-23-2023, 07:16 PM

So, I'm "lying" now?!?!?

What crap.

The facts tell all. The defense has regressed just like I warned you all it would.

That has nothing to do with Edmunds.

Woodman

11-23-2023, 09:26 PM

Shaquille Leonard clears waivers, making him a free agent
Leonard will get his pick of contenders.

The Eagles and Cowboys likely will have interest. Both teams have ties to Leonard, and both teams have lost a starting linebacker.
Eagles coach Nick Sirianni was Indianapolis’ offensive coordinator from 2018-20, and Leonard played with Cowboys cornerback Stephon Gilmore with the Colts last season.
Eagles second-year linebacker Nakobe Dean went on injured reserve for the second time this season last week. He has a Lisfranc injury that likely ends his season. The Cowboys placed veteran linebacker Leighton Vander Esch on injured reserve Oct. 16, and announced earlier this month his season is over because of a neck injury.

So we're out ????

Canadian'eh!

11-24-2023, 09:00 AM

So we're out ????
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It really sounds like the back surgeries have robbed him of his incredible ability. It sucks, because he was a special player, but you have to go by the player he is now and not the one he was.

Woodman

11-24-2023, 09:25 AM

I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It really sounds like the back surgeries have robbed him of his incredible ability. It sucks, because he was a special player, but you have to go by the player he is now and not the one he was.

Woulda been nice to get him about 2 or 3 years ago.

Bill Cody

11-24-2023, 11:06 AM

I'd be kind of in at vet min

notacon

11-24-2023, 12:38 PM

We're giving up less points per game this year than last, that's not a regression.

Last season the Bills were ranked #1 or #2 for least points allowed for the whole year, ending the season at #2. This season, as of today, they are ranked #5.

What I wrote is 100% accurate. This year, the Bills defense is worse, and sometime much worse, in almost every measurable metric.

Mr. Pink

11-24-2023, 12:51 PM

Last season the Bills were ranked #1 or #2 for least points allowed for the whole year, ending the season at #2. This season, as of today, they are ranked #5.

What I wrote is 100% accurate. This year, the Bills defense is worse, and sometime much worse, in almost every measurable metric.

100% inaccurate.

We're giving up 17.3PPG this year. We gave up 17.9PPG last year.

Which is better?

DetoxTent

11-24-2023, 02:40 PM

Post Edited for TOS Violation ~DB

notacon

11-24-2023, 03:21 PM

100% inaccurate.

We're giving up 17.3PPG this year. We gave up 17.9PPG last year.

Which is better?

Jesus. Can't you understand plain English???

I said in almost ever measurable metric. Do you understand what "almost" means????? That means not necessarily all. Tooting a .6 point difference is barely better.

But, I would like to post a correction. What I was thinking when I wrote that (and what I solely looked at and verified before I wrote it like I do almost all the time) is the Bills defense is worse, and sometimes much worse, in RANKING of almost every measurable metric.

For example, in AVG TL yards per game, in 2022 ranked #6...2023, ranked #10. Average rushing yards allowed per game in 2022 ranked #5...2023, ranked #16.

Plus, as I already accurately pointed out, the Bills defense was ranked #1 or #2 for almost the whole year in 2022 finishing the season ranked #2) and they are ranked #5 today.

The difference in points average scored per game is slightly worse. 2022 ranked #2. So far in 2023, ranked #6.

We'll check back at the end of the regular season and compare.

notacon

11-24-2023, 03:25 PM

Post Edited for TOS Violation ~DB
Throwing around a blatantly derogatory bigoted personal insult is what is expected from people that share your mindset.

How pathetic.

Novacane

11-24-2023, 03:26 PM

edited

Forward_Lateral

11-24-2023, 03:33 PM

Canadian'eh!

11-24-2023, 05:56 PM

Last season the Bills were ranked #1 or #2 for least points allowed for the whole year, ending the season at #2. This season, as of today, they are ranked #5.

What I wrote is 100% accurate. This year, the Bills defense is worse, and sometime much worse, in almost every measurable metric.

So, because other teams have improved and we are only ranked #5, DESPITE having also lowered our points per gam we too, we have somehow declined?

Ooooooook

Mr. Pink

11-24-2023, 09:59 PM

Jesus. Can't you understand plain English???

I said in almost ever measurable metric. Do you understand what "almost" means????? That means not necessarily all. Tooting a .6 point difference is barely better.

There is ONE measure that matters.

Points.

That's it.

Chet

11-25-2023, 10:38 AM

Notacon,

I have never, in my life, witnessed someone defend a player who is not on the team any longer to the lengths that you do. Why? He's not a Bill anymore. He is hated by Bears fans now because he's an over paid loafer with the intelligence of a sandwich made out of socks.

Give it up. He's not a Bill. He will never be a Bill. His replacement is better than him, already, after 11 games. Give it a rest. Cheer for who's on the team. You bash on OPI for gloating when he's right, but you do the exact same thing.
He’s a bum. Had every physical measurable you could want, and at 19-20 y/o you absolutely can’t fault Beane for thinking they could mold this athletic freak into a dominant NFL star, but there is just nothing between the ears.

Canadian'eh!

11-25-2023, 12:37 PM

He’s a bum. Had every physical measurable you could want, and at 19-20 y/o you absolutely can’t fault Beane for thinking they could mold this athletic freak into a dominant NFL star, but there is just nothing between the ears.

I said it 100 times. You can’t teach desire. He’s soft as butter on an August afternoon. Happy to just engage with a blocker and let him self be run out of the play. “Not my fault, I was being blocked” type player.

Bernard sticks his nose in there and the results are showing

notacon

11-25-2023, 01:19 PM

There is ONE measure that matters.

Points.

That's it.

NOPE!!! The ONE measure that matters is WINS!!!!

THAT'S IT!!!!

notacon

11-25-2023, 01:22 PM

Notacon,

I have never, in my life, witnessed someone defend a player who is not on the team any longer to the lengths that you do. Why? He's not a Bill anymore. He is hated by Bears fans now because he's an over paid loafer with the intelligence of a sandwich made out of socks.

Give it up. He's not a Bill. He will never be a Bill. His replacement is better than him, already, after 11 games. Give it a rest. Cheer for who's on the team. You bash on OPI for gloating when he's right, but you do the exact same thing.

Actually, I see it the opposite way.

I have never, in my life, witnessed some **** ALL OVER a player who is not on the team any longer to the lengths that too many posters do.

Just like I predicted.

All I am doing is stating the plain facts.

notacon

11-25-2023, 01:37 PM

BTW....I don't give a crap about Edmunds' on another team. I don't "miss" him. He's gone.

The fact that he was one of the best LB's in the NFL while he was a Buffalo Bill (despite the insane refusal to accept what literally every NFL experts said) is astoundingly absurd and what I have always accurately pointed out. I do NOT need the approval of the "fans" to accept and value the collective opinions of NFL professional experts.

My defense of Edmunds has always been about the disconnect of the so-called "fans" and NFL experts like NFL GM's, NFL coaches, NFL players and NFL scouts who ranked him a top 10 LB FOUR years in a row.....2020 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/29460392/ranking-nfl-top-10-linebackers-2020-best-hybrid-playmakers-d)….2021 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31765336/ranking-nfl-top-10-linebackers-2021-execs-coaches-players-make-their-picks), 2022 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/34168579/ranking-nfl-top-10-ball-linebackers-2022-execs-coaches-players-make-their-picks-best-linebackers) AND 2023 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/37773470/ranking-nfl-top-10-ball-linebackers-2023-execs-coaches-players-make-their-picks-best-linebackers) with the highest ranking this year of #3. (with lots and lots of other experts that echo the same observation....in fact, no one here has ever been able to present a credible authoritative NFL expert that agrees with the worst vitriol directed at Edmunds....not one!!!!)

Who's opinion do I trust and value??? NFL experts. Hands down. If some here don't like it...too bad. I always value experts views over the non-experts, unless given some credible reason to value rank couch-GM's and couch-coaches (who know a LOT less about football than they think they do) over NFL professionals.

sukie

11-25-2023, 01:41 PM

Enough. The back and forth here is amusing but yet disturbing at the same time . I understand it’s a hot topic Can’t we all just get along and at least try forgetting about a former Linebacker that’s gone?

acehole

11-25-2023, 03:04 PM

"I have never, in my life, witnessed someone defend a player who is not on the team any longer to the lengths that you do. Why? He's not a Bill anymore. He is hated by Bears fans now because he's an over paid loafer with the intelligence of a sandwich made out of socks. "

Give it up. He's not a Bill. He will never be a Bill. His replacement is better than him, already, after 11 games. Give it a rest. Cheer for who's on the team. You bash on OPI for gloating when he's right, but you do the exact same thing.[/QUOTE]

Narcissist are never wrong. Their self esteem can't handle the rejection ...speaking of "mindsets."

No reasoning skill's or ability to process anything beyond and emotional state of mind.

...uses statistical data only when it suits the brain effected by cognitive dissonance.

What is worse is the attempt at recovery...even worse then the first idea.

That player no longer on the team was the greatest thing bean never did.....(Resigning him).
We went from one of the longest teams in the league to one of the oldest.

For the record we were all a bit concerned about the void he left. Seems we made the right choice.

Arguing for something with a slim statical edge and then dismissing the rebuttal from a small statistical edge is gaslighting.

The difference here is it isn't coming from a master mind. We ALL see you.

Bean seems to be pretty good at picking players off the scrap heap.

If....IF....if...he is physically able to do the job and wants to come here...it will be so.

If I am him I am thinking eagles for a ring.

acehole

11-25-2023, 03:19 PM

Sukie,

I think it is deserved, You get what you give. When people think they are the smartest people in the room when they are blatantly not ...being called out is appropriate.

The superior tone and underhanded insults are not even veiled. People with great egos don't argue a points and facts they talk "at" you because in there mind they are never wrong.

Seems if multi people are having problems with the same poster...it is most likely the that poster.

The frustration is real.

Person "A" makes a claim.

Person 'B' says well the facts point to something else.

Person "A" rebuts with underhanded insults on what type of person they are.

Because person "A' is not a fact based person and can't be wrong.

It is actually boring and intellectually lazy.

My 2 cents.

acehole

11-25-2023, 03:26 PM

Why? If the defense is doing its job(LIMITING OPPOSING OFFENSIVE PIONTS) and the offense ON THE SAME TEAM can't score why does that make a linebacker (or any other defensive player better or worse?)

WE ARE ALL EARS and a waiting for your wisdom oh grand superior intellect of the Billszone board kingdom. Please grace us with the one true answer that is above all others.

DetoxTent

11-25-2023, 11:14 PM

I’m neither patronizing you nor twisting your words, it’s why I quoted you directly. If you have an issue with somebody using your own words then you may want to reflect on that.

Umm. No. My words were fine and did not demonize anyone. You are the only one that ought to be reflecting on yourself.

DetoxTent

11-25-2023, 11:16 PM

Post Edited for TOS Violation ~DB

DraftBoy

11-26-2023, 10:01 AM

Umm. No. My words were fine and did not demonize anyone. You are the only one that ought to be reflecting on yourself.

I constantly self-reflect. Why would you not? That’s an extremely odd stance to take.

Canadian'eh!

11-26-2023, 03:04 PM

Actually, I see it the opposite way.

I have never, in my life, witnessed some **** ALL OVER a player who is not on the team any longer to the lengths that too many posters do.

Just like I predicted.

All I am doing is stating the plain facts.

except they are either not facts at all or are cherry picked facts that you attribute to larger points with no relation or make massive assumptions about.

“Facts” lol

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I constantly self-reflect. Why would you not? That’s an extremely odd stance to take.

wow. Your AI is really coming along.

DetoxTent

11-26-2023, 03:14 PM

I constantly self-reflect. Why would you not? That’s an extremely odd stance to take.

It doesn't sound like you do it enough.

DraftBoy

11-26-2023, 03:19 PM

It doesn't sound like you do it enough.

What is enough?

DraftBoy

11-26-2023, 03:26 PM

wow. Your AI is really coming along.

Wouldn’t really be AI if it wasn’t constantly learning.

Forward_Lateral

11-26-2023, 07:33 PM

See, they haven’t regressed, they collapse like they always. Have

notacon

11-27-2023, 01:07 PM

except they are either not facts at all or are cherry picked facts that you attribute to larger points with no relation or make massive assumptions about.

“Facts” lol

As usual, professional media writers (https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/buffalo-bills-defense-sean-mcdermott-philadelphia-eagles-nfl/article_244e19c0-8b92-11ee-a5d0-b700967adf0b.html) don't echo your baloney....

The Bills have six games remaining, but are 10th in the conference. Their defense is mostly to blame, even though offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey took the hit with his dismissal on Nov. 14.

"The frustrating part is being so close, yet being so far," defensive tackle Ed Oliver said.

The so close: Their six losses by six, five, four, six, two and three points.

The so far is obvious. Somewhere, Leslie Frazier isn't laughing (I don't think he's that kind of guy. He picked the Bills to win the Super Bowl, after all), but he should polish up his cover letter with an opening statement of, "See, I wasn't that bad of a defensive play-caller." The defense he coordinated last year went 13-3 in the regular season.

Yep...facts are facts and do not need your approval to be facts.