The irrational nonsense around here has gone on long enough

[Ingtar33]

1) Allen was clearly the best QB the chiefs faced on thier path to the championship; in fact as I pointed out before JA had about as close to a perfect game as you could ask from a QB in that division round loss. We need JA to be beyond perfect to beat KC because our defense was deadweight out there. Its been deadweight against the chiefs for years. Does anyone at all forget how we lost 13 seconds? that wasn't on JA. how about the loss in the AFC championship the year prior? Our whole WR corps was injured and the chiefs got home cooking from the refs, sure but the reality was our defence wasn't getting any stops against Mahomes in that game either. The problem isn't allen no matter how much you whinge about how he missed diggs underneath. seriously. 70 offensive plays and you all act like that was why we lost. It wasn't. Bass missed a makeable fg, and our defense couldn't stop the chiefs at all.

2) the Ravens and 49ers forced more punts then I've seen the bills force Mahomes into in the last 4 or 5 games combined we played the chiefs. If your takeaway from this year is anything other then it's that our defense isn't close to good enough . Like, not even in the league of a Superbowl winning squad/system. If JA had that type of support we'd of owned the chiefs for YEARS, and been the team rolling into the superbowl.

3) Mahomes wasn't close to perfect this superbowl. He made a number of mistakes that we get on JA's back for all the time around here. In fact he played about as uninspired a game as i've seen from him till maybe 2 minutes left in the game. Think about that. Imagine had JA played a 58minute **** fest at any point in time in the past 7 games. not only wouldn't we have won the game, but we get blown out. That superbowl was 100% on the chiefs defense for allowing Mahomes to sleep through the first 58 minutes of the game.

4) the 49ers for all their "great" coaches put up one hell of an awful gameplan for the offense. No effort to get CMC or Deebo the ball in space beyond that one TD on the throwback. Christ watching the 49ers waste Deebo and CMC like that all game had me sick to my stomach. Their coaching staff came up really short in the most important game of the season. This place would be going nuts if we got a performance like that from our offense. I mean look at how nuts this place is after JA missed diggs underneath on one play. **** off.

grow the **** up. it's football not a video game. The other team wants to win too. The reality is our defense isn't good enough. and I don't accept injuries as an excuse for that. Milano hasn't made it through a full season... ever, and it's been 4 years since we got a healthy season out of White. That's more then enough evidence you can't count on either to be available all season, yet our team is build around both of them. I could probably toss Hyde and Oliver on this pile of unreliably healthy defenders, in fact Oliver's breakout season probably would have happened in '22 had he not been hurt most ot the year, like usual.

At some point we have to acknowledge we have injury prone "stars" on the defense and move on. We also have to acknowledge that the defensive system we run probably isn't gonna beat mahomes. The Bengals proved they could beat the Chiefs when healthy. Gotta start asking questions about this at some point.

[YardRat]

. **** off.

grow the **** up. it's football not a video game.

LOL.

C'mon Ingtar...seriously?

The very reason these forums exist is to discuss the football team, and different people are going to have different opinions, perceptions and observations. And 'growing up' pretty much means being able to participate in those discussions without attacking others, ridiculing others, and trying to draw them into a personal pissing match. Which has mostly been the case in the main forum.

[sahlensguy]

1) Allen was clearly the best QB the chiefs faced on thier path to the championship; in fact as I pointed out before JA had about as close to a perfect game as you could ask from a QB in that division round loss. We need JA to be beyond perfect to beat KC because our defense was deadweight out there. Its been deadweight against the chiefs for years. Does anyone at all forget how we lost 13 seconds? that wasn't on JA. how about the loss in the AFC championship the year prior? Our whole WR corps was injured and the chiefs got home cooking from the refs, sure but the reality was our defence wasn't getting any stops against Mahomes in that game either. The problem isn't allen no matter how much you whinge about how he missed diggs underneath. seriously. 70 offensive plays and you all act like that was why we lost. It wasn't. Bass missed a makeable fg, and our defense couldn't stop the chiefs at all.

2) the Ravens and 49ers forced more punts then I've seen the bills force Mahomes into in the last 4 or 5 games combined we played the chiefs. If your takeaway from this year is anything other then it's that our defense isn't close to good enough . Like, not even in the league of a Superbowl winning squad/system. If JA had that type of support we'd of owned the chiefs for YEARS, and been the team rolling into the superbowl.

3) Mahomes wasn't close to perfect this superbowl. He made a number of mistakes that we get on JA's back for all the time around here. In fact he played about as uninspired a game as i've seen from him till maybe 2 minutes left in the game. Think about that. Imagine had JA played a 58minute **** fest at any point in time in the past 7 games. not only wouldn't we have won the game, but we get blown out. That superbowl was 100% on the chiefs defense for allowing Mahomes to sleep through the first 58 minutes of the game.

4) the 49ers for all their "great" coaches put up one hell of an awful gameplan for the offense. No effort to get CMC or Deebo the ball in space beyond that one TD on the throwback. Christ watching the 49ers waste Deebo and CMC like that all game had me sick to my stomach. Their coaching staff came up really short in the most important game of the season. This place would be going nuts if we got a performance like that from our offense. I mean look at how nuts this place is after JA missed diggs underneath on one play. **** off.

grow the **** up. it's football not a video game. The other team wants to win too. The reality is our defense isn't good enough. and I don't accept injuries as an excuse for that. Milano hasn't made it through a full season... ever, and it's been 4 years since we got a healthy season out of White. That's more then enough evidence you can't count on either to be available all season, yet our team is build around both of them. I could probably toss Hyde and Oliver on this pile of unreliably healthy defenders, in fact Oliver's breakout season probably would have happened in '22 had he not been hurt most ot the year, like usual.

At some point we have to acknowledge we have injury prone "stars" on the defense and move on. We also have to acknowledge that the defensive system we run probably isn't gonna beat mahomes. The Bengals proved they could beat the Chiefs when healthy. Gotta start asking questions about this at some point.

But our defense was good enough. I know ppl want to scapegoat the D and it's injuries, but they were good enough. Our O and our star were in a prime spot at the end but couldn't close the deal. They didn't even give it their best shot.

[Oaf]

I hear you that JA executed 68/70 plays. The defense executed maybe 8/70? Doesn't change level of frustration on this one that if the coaches help JA make one more, very makeable, play coming out of the 2min warning (throw first read to Kincaid, or crosser to Diggs) we likely take the clock all the way down and at worst clock out with a chip field goal.

The defense is what it is. We're not getting any miracle prospects or FAs to save it. It's overinvested in, with old or underperforming players mostly, that can't stand up against the best teams. It continues to be up to Josh, the offense, and any defensive players with room yet to grow (relatively few, unfortunately).

[Woodman]

I'm always for adding players that can help Josh succeed.

Having said that Defense wins Championships.

Back in the hey days I'm talking the mid sixties we had that defense in spades.

We don't dominate anywhere close to those teams.

When you think of dominant defenses I would think you'd be thinking about the Bears ..... Buddy Ryan's defense was frightening.

We need younger players that like to hit and that can stay on the field long enough to make that point.

Unfortunately we do not have that killer instinct .......... not by a longshot.

[sahlensguy]

I'm always for adding players that can help Josh succeed.

Having said that Defense wins Championships.

Back in the hey days I'm talking the mid sixties we had that defense in spades.

We don't dominate anywhere close to those teams.

When you think of dominant defenses I would think you'd be thinking about the Bears ..... Buddy Ryan's defense was frightening.

We need younger players that like to hit and that can stay on the field long enough to make that point.

Unfortunately we do not have that killer instinct .......... not by a longshot.

Man, the 9ers have a great D, who went home losers. A great O trumps a great D

[Novacane]

Nice sermon but this parishioner isn't saying amen. All I can say is look at the scoreboard. You have opinions. I have facts. Mahomes 3 JA 0

[Woodman]

Man, the 9ers have a great D, who went home losers. A great O trumps a great D

They do ..... minus the great LB who tore his achilles early on.

What they couldn't control was the ball hitting off the punt return teams player leaving the Chiefs point blank.

They also couldn't leave the field with points after the interception they made.

They can cause a major turnover at their own 10 which they did by getting number 10 to cough up the ball.

They again have no control over their offense .... they did more than their part to win.

The defense for KC kept them in the game as well.

Bottom line is and always will be that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS and that will never ever change.

[sahlensguy]

They do ..... minus the great LB who tore his achilles early on.

What they couldn't control was the ball hitting off the punt return teams player leaving the Chiefs point blank.

They also couldn't leave the field with points after the interception they made.

They can cause a major turnover at their own 10 which they did by getting number 10 to cough up the ball.

They again have no control over their offense .... they did more than their part to win.

The defense for KC kept them in the game as well.

Bottom line is and always will be that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS and that will never ever change.

A great offense is the best defense.

[Woodman]

A great offense is the best defense.

A great offense is fun to watch that's for sure but it leaves you empty if your defense can't give them the opportunities.

A great defense even the best of them just needs an offense that doesn't lose the game for them and can hopefully put up a few points.

[sahlensguy]

A great offense is fun to watch that's for sure but it leaves you empty if your defense can't give them the opportunities.

A great defense even the best of them just needs an offense that doesn't lose the game for them and can hopefully put up a few points.

Super bowls are most often won by the best quarterbacks. They're rarely won by the best defense (Ravens).

[Woodman]

Super bowls are most often won by the best quarterbacks. They're rarely won by the best defense (Ravens).

They do get the awards don't they.

[sahlensguy]

They do get the awards don't they.

It's not about the awards. Are the best qbs not getting the rings?

[sahlensguy]

The best QBs keep winning Super bowls because of their defense? Make no sense.

[Woodman]

A great offense is the best defense.


Points for 2023-24 season!

Kansas City Chiefs 371.

San Francisco 49ers 491.

[Oaf]

A great offense is the best defense.

Indeed, it was the only defense we had. I was there live and it was clear, the only way we stayed in that game was finding ways to convert 1st downs on offense. Injuries obviously played a big role, and we actually had a good game plan for it. It gave us a chance at the end and we just got away from it.

[sahlensguy]

Indeed, it was the only defense we had. I was there live and it was clear, the only way we stayed in that game was finding ways to convert 1st downs on offense. Injuries obviously played a big role, and we actually had a good game plan for it. It gave us a chance at the end and we just got away from it.

It really was a great game plan...until the end.

[sahlensguy]

Points for 2023-24 season!

Kansas City Chiefs 371.

San Francisco 49ers 491.

Playoff points per game this season:

KC 26

San Fran 21

[Woodman]

Playoff points per game this season:

KC 26

San Fran 21

Playoff points given up 52 by the 49ers .... that was the total in 2 games. avg. 26

Playoff points given up 41 by the Chiefs that was the total in 3 games. avg. 13.7

Clearly the better defense was the Chiefs.

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL!

Dolphins scored 7.

Ravens scored 10.

Bills scored 24.

[sahlensguy]

Playoff points given up 52 by the 49ers .... that was the total in 2 games. avg. 26

Playoff points given up 41 by the Chiefs that was the total in 3 games. avg. 13.7

Clearly the better defense was the Chiefs.

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL!

Dolphins scored 7.

Ravens scored 10.

Bills scored 24.

Your regular season stat didn't hold up so you're trying to different tactic? I'm not convinced.

[Woodman]

Your regular season stat didn't hold up so you're trying to different tactic? I'm not convinced.

Regular season the best offense was the 49ers and it wasn't close that held up great.

They outscored the Chiefs by 120 points!

Championships point to defense 100%

[jamze132]

But our defense was good enough. I know ppl want to scapegoat the D and it's injuries, but they were good enough. Our O and our star were in a prime spot at the end but couldn't close the deal. They didn't even give it their best shot.

No, they weren’t good enough in the post season. I mean we had a guy get off his couch and was told to cover Kelsey. Injuries cost us this year.

[Woodman]

No, they weren’t good enough in the post season. I mean we had a guy get off his couch and was told to cover Kelsey. Injuries cost us this year.

No answer for Kelce ...... we better find somebody that can at least limit him.

[Woodman]

The Chiefs' defense has been historic during this postseason run. Kansas City allowed just 13.7 points-per-game!!

[sahlensguy]

No, they weren’t good enough in the post season. I mean we had a guy get off his couch and was told to cover Kelsey. Injuries cost us this year.

Sure they were good enough. We were in a great spot but in the end, it was the O that let us down.

[Forward_Lateral]

Ingster, pal, buddy, you are wasting your breath.

There will always be part of the fanbase that won't be satisfied until the Bills win a superbowl. I used to be part of that. I am no longer. I realize that sometimes life doesn't go how you want it, no matter how hard you try. I suffered, like most here, through 20 terrible years of Bills football. I'd argue that there has never been such a bad stretch for any other sports fanbase in history. Even the Browns made the playoffs in that stretch, and so did the Lions (multiple times).

After that along game a guy named Josh Allen. A guy I, and a lot of fans, did not want. A guy who we thought was over-drafted and a less accurate, bigger version of JP Losman.

Thankfully, we were wrong, and JA17 turned out to be possibly the greatest Bills QB ever. We've got to watch 4 straight AFC East titles, with this year being one of the most epic runs by a Bills team.

Are the Bills perfect? No. Are they superbowl caliber? I don't know. Am I still grateful for these past 6 years, and getting to watch them be one of the best teams in the NFL year after year? Hell yes I am.

I am just of the mindset that wanting a superbowl as a fan base, and calling anything less than that a failure is incorrect.

Think about it this way. Pro sports are a form of entertainment. I've been thoroughly entertained almost every week over the past 6 seasons as opposed to maybe a handful of times the previous 20. Has there been heartbreakers? Yes. There always will be. We can't avoid that.

We are Bills fans, and some of us need to remember that, and get back to acting like Bills fans.

[Typ0]

Ingster, pal, buddy, you are wasting your breath.

There will always be part of the fanbase that won't be satisfied until the Bills win a superbowl. I used to be part of that. I am no longer. I realize that sometimes life doesn't go how you want it, no matter how hard you try. I suffered, like most here, through 20 terrible years of Bills football. I'd argue that there has never been such a bad stretch for any other sports fanbase in history. Even the Browns made the playoffs in that stretch, and so did the Lions (multiple times).

After that along game a guy named Josh Allen. A guy I, and a lot of fans, did not want. A guy who we thought was over-drafted and a less accurate, bigger version of JP Losman.

Thankfully, we were wrong, and JA17 turned out to be possibly the greatest Bills QB ever. We've got to watch 4 straight AFC East titles, with this year being one of the most epic runs by a Bills team.

Are the Bills perfect? No. Are they superbowl caliber? I don't know. Am I still grateful for these past 6 years, and getting to watch them be one of the best teams in the NFL year after year? Hell yes I am.

I am just of the mindset that wanting a superbowl as a fan base, and calling anything less than that a failure is incorrect.

Think about it this way. Pro sports are a form of entertainment. I've been thoroughly entertained almost every week over the past 6 seasons as opposed to maybe a handful of times the previous 20. Has there been heartbreakers? Yes. There always will be. We can't avoid that.

We are Bills fans, and some of us need to remember that, and get back to acting like Bills fans.

Baloney. Every single year you start with a different squad the goal is always the same: be the last team standing at the end.

Allen should have already made the trip to the SB he's being held back.

[Forward_Lateral]

Baloney. Every single year you start with a different squad the goal is always the same: be the last team standing at the end.

Allen should have already made the trip to the SB he's being held back.

I didn't say the Bills' goal shouldn't be a superbowl, I said I'm not basing a successful season on just a championship. I'm a fan, not a player. Losing sleep/getting angry/etc over my favorite team losing is ridiculously stupid. I'll be upset for a few hours, but the next day I'm fine. Why would I let a game ruin my mood/life?

[jamze132]

No answer for Kelce ...... we better find somebody that can at least limit him.

Milano or Bernard could have done enough.

[Woodman]

Milano or Bernard could have done enough.

If only we had them available.


Dre Greenlaw did the best of anybody I've seen tasked with Kelce.

[notacon]

"Mahomes wasn't close to perfect this superbowl. He made a number of mistakes that we get on JA's back for all the time around here. In fact he played about as uninspired a game as i've seen from him till maybe 2 minutes left in the game. Think about that. Imagine had JA played a 58minute **** fest at any point in time in the past 7 games. not only wouldn't we have won the game, but we get blown out. That superbowl was 100% on the chiefs defense for allowing Mahomes to sleep through the first 58 minutes of the game."


THAT'S THE POINT!!!

Josh Allen was superb UNTIL THE LAST TWO MINUTES OF THE GAME vs KC. Mahomes was superb and next to flawless when it counted the most. As I stated the facts in another thread (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/265090-Super-Bowl-LVIII-Game-Thread-%E2%80%94-Swiftie-Approved?p=5083277&viewfull=1#post5083277)...


But, when the rubber hits the road, Purdy HAD HIS CHANCE for greatness in OT. The result....he went 6/4 in OT (the seventh INCOMPLETION was saved by a defensive holding call). Got to the KC NINE YARD LINE, but could not get it in.

Mahomes in OT.....EIGHT FOR EIGHT for 42 yards....two runs for 21 yards including the 4th down run that saved the game.

That's SIXTY THREE of the 75 yards in the wining TD drive.

THAT'S the difference between winning a HUGE playoff game and losing it.


Josh Allen had the chance to win that game in the palm of his hand. If he was aware of the game situation (like Mahomes always seems to have a sold grasp of, when it counts the most, in the playoffs) the Bills would have won that game, and would have had a great chance to beat Baltimore and go on to the SB.

Jesus....he had the ball on the KC 26....2nd and 9....2 minutes left...two time outs. There was NO NEED for hero ball. Diggs was WIDE OPEN for an easy first down.

Pointing out that fact is NOT "irrational nonsense"....it's simply plain reality.

[sahlensguy]

I didn't say the Bills' goal shouldn't be a superbowl, I said I'm not basing a successful season on just a championship. I'm a fan, not a player. Losing sleep/getting angry/etc over my favorite team losing is ridiculously stupid. I'll be upset for a few hours, but the next day I'm fine. Why would I let a game ruin my mood/life?Haha. You're the most passive aggressive poster here. Your neg reps to me prove it. You're as pissed off as anyone here. You just take it out in other ways.

[Mr. Pink]

For the majority of the season if we could get an uninspiring effort out of Josh to the tune of 34 of 46 for 333 yards and 2 TDs that would be an improvement over a majority of his games this season. Instead we get Josh putting up 26 of 39 for 186 yards and 1 TD against the Chiefs and that's somehow the standard for the best QB the Chiefs faced in the playoffs. Brock Purdy outperformed those numbers in the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson outperformed those numbers. Tua was on par with those numbers.

This isn't saying Josh is or isn't better than those 3 guys overall, in fact he is better than all 3, but when it comes to the Chiefs he didn't outplay any of them.

If the bar to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs is that miserable performance we saw a few weeks ago, we're never beating that team in the playoffs.

[sahlensguy]

For the majority of the season if we could get an uninspiring effort out of Josh to the tune of 34 of 46 for 333 yards and 2 TDs that would be an improvement over a majority of his games this season. Instead we get Josh putting up 26 of 39 for 186 yards and 1 TD against the Chiefs and that's somehow the standard for the best QB the Chiefs faced in the playoffs. Brock Purdy outperformed those numbers in the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson outperformed those numbers. Tua was on par with those numbers.

This isn't saying Josh is or isn't better than those 3 guys overall, in fact he is better than all 3, but when it comes to the Chiefs he didn't outplay any of them.

If the bar to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs is that miserable performance we saw a few weeks ago, we're never beating that team in the playoffs.

Game plan.

It worked beautifully. Ball control. Keep it away from Mahonmes. TOP greatly favored the Bills.

[Typ0]

Game plan.

It worked beautifully. Ball control. Keep it away from Mahonmes. TOP greatly favored the Bills.

Just another game we beat the snot out of the opponent but not on the scoreboard.

[Mr. Pink]

Game plan.

It worked beautifully. Ball control. Keep it away from Mahonmes. TOP greatly favored the Bills.

And we still lost.

And do you really think if Bass makes that kick, we don't watch Mahomes march down field, get into FG range and we see Butker kick a 45-50 yard FG for the Chiefs to win?

Doesn't matter if Bass missed or made it, we were still taking the L.

[Typ0]

And we still lost.

And do you really think if Bass makes that kick, we don't watch Mahomes march down field, get into FG range and we see Butker kick a 45-50 yard FG for the Chiefs to win?

Doesn't matter if Bass missed or made it, we were still taking the L.

exactly. We were coached right into an L.

[Mr. Pink]

exactly. We were coached right into an L.

Nope.

Our QB wilted in the big moment. Missed an underneath throw that would have gone for a first down because he's doing the hero ball thing and trying to hit a TD pass. And then just throwing the ball away on 3rd down.

Meanwhile you put Mahomes in that same situation and he's cool, calm and collected and takes whatever the defense gives him to put his team in position to win.

There's the difference between the two QBs.

[Typ0]

Nope.

Our QB wilted in the big moment. Missed an underneath throw that would have gone for a first down because he's doing the hero ball thing and trying to hit a TD pass. And then just throwing the ball away on 3rd down.

Meanwhile you put Mahomes in that same situation and he's cool, calm and collected and takes whatever the defense gives him to put his team in position to win.

There's the difference between the two QBs.

Because Josh Allen has been doing that since he got here and obviously not taught any different.

It is the coaching that turns him into Mr. Hero ball. They love his 'possible ceiling' and want to see it on every play. Reid and Mahommes on the other hand are patiently working within constraints they perceive -- while our guys apparently don't believe in constraints even though they are right in front of their faces.

Bottom line: Josh Allen believes the most ridiculous throw into triple coverage is always the smart play for him. That is coached. And he makes it. And we lose.

[sahlensguy]

And we still lost.

And do you really think if Bass makes that kick, we don't watch Mahomes march down field, get into FG range and we see Butker kick a 45-50 yard FG for the Chiefs to win?

Doesn't matter if Bass missed or made it, we were still taking the L.

We lost because we didn't continue that amazing ball control game plan for the final two minutes.

[Woodman]

We lost because we didn't continue that amazing ball control game plan for the final two minutes.

We did have em by the balls didn't we. :cheers:

[cas22]

The Chiefs' defense has been historic during this postseason run. Kansas City allowed just 13.7 points-per-game!!

they are the reason the Chiefs even made it to the big dance...but the QB always gets the glory.

[Woodman]

they are the reason the Chiefs even made it to the big dance...but the QB always gets the glory.
Exactly .... :cheers:

[cas22]

No, they weren’t good enough in the post season. I mean we had a guy get off his couch and was told to cover Kelsey. Injuries cost us this year.

they were not good enough in season... we have a defense that will stay in the games until you need that 1 stop,,,,

the only way this regime wins a superbowl is for the offense to score on every possession ...

[Goobylal]

I hate that when the Bills enter the post-season, they're always missing key players. Always.

[sahlensguy]

We did have em by the balls didn't we. :cheers:

Well we were still down by 3, but we were in a great spot to slay the dragon.

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I hate that when the Bills enter the post-season, they're always missing key players. Always.

We didn't fail after the 2 minute warning because of injuries

[Forward_Lateral]

Nope.

Our QB wilted in the big moment. Missed an underneath throw that would have gone for a first down because he's doing the hero ball thing and trying to hit a TD pass. And then just throwing the ball away on 3rd down.

Meanwhile you put Mahomes in that same situation and he's cool, calm and collected and takes whatever the defense gives him to put his team in position to win.

There's the difference between the two QBs.

It wasn't going to be a first down. This has been covered and discussed by many people who were both at the game, and who have access to the All-22. Diggs wasn't getting a for sure first down. Defenders were baring down on him, and he likely would've been a few yards short.

Please stop posting ridiculousness. WE get it, you hate Allen. He stinks. He's the reason they can't win a superbowl.

Give it a rest.

[sahlensguy]

It wasn't going to be a first down. This has been covered and discussed by many people who were both at the game, and who have access to the All-22. Diggs wasn't getting a for sure first down. Defenders were baring down on him, and he likely would've been a few yards short.

Please stop posting ridiculousness. WE get it, you hate Allen. He stinks. He's the reason they can't win a superbowl.

Give it a rest.

It was second down in four down territory. Not getting a first down there wasn't the end of the game.

[Mace]

I'm soured on the process more. We're going into the 8th year of the program and process, 7 with Josh Allen. You have seen KC, Baltimore, the Rams and 49'ers adapt and evolve to remain consistent. You have seen the Browns rise on defense, adapt to Flacco in an emergency. The Bengals have risen, evolving with Burrow, the Dolphins evolved for Tua to keep people off him and develop a quick strike with Hill and Waddle, Houston is rising with vigor under a rookie coach and QB.

We made an o line in front of Allen for a season finally, since the last time we had an ok one with all FA's early. Oh no, receivers again. The offense is not fluid, dynamic and consistent, it sputters, revs, stops and starts with curious erratic personnel use. Maybe Brady has a solution, but's still 7 years of Josh Allen used up. Build an offense to maximize him, not count on him to rescue it.

Defense. Injuries. In Bernard and Milano, McDermott is sticking to his scheme with lb's 10-12 lbs short of the muscle Davis and Kuechly had in Carolina. If you've ever added that much more muscle, you're going to know it makes a huge difference on contact, and they have smaller guys coming up in contact besides. Of course they're going to have injuries.

Next man up is never challenging a starter. He's a placeholder. Williams at LB has some promise, is he challenging Milano ? 230 lbs...coming into his game, dunno. Defense is plug and play, with degrading performance on injuries. They keep patching the DL with vet FA, vet FA are guys other people drafted with wear on them.

Vet FA is going to be the same, they'll fish the bargain bin before the draft and insert them as starters, then draft most rookies as placeholders behind them, man corner Elam drafted for zone ? Shakir and Cook could have saved them some FA money by getting snaps

Where's the low cost draft pipeline pushing starters on the OL, dt and at safety ? For that matter, wr, and rb to enhance their franchise gem Allen ?

Seriously, how many vet scrub FA's have they gone through on offense and defense trying to patch, ala throw someone elses' picks against the wall and see if they stick ?

Looks to me like Beane gets what McDermott wants every year as best he can, the college scouting has been hit or miss, they have not built a happy Allen oriented offense, have remained stale on defense and accordingly remained injury prone, and remain handicapped by McDermott, timid and conservative, or inexplicably going for all the chips with poor judgement.

There are no fierce competitors besides Allen and Diggs, you saw Kelce screaming at Reid, you've seen Kyle Williams, Fred Jackson, Lorenzo Alexander, Richie Incognito, Jim Kelly, Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Thurman, Reed, Cookie, Stratton, furious Saban, frothing Levy throwing his headset, even Conrad Dobler, Takeo Spikes raging on the field and channeling it, instead, of clap clap clap, we have tomorrow boys, no worries, great job, next year, we're fine.

They ALL need to ramp it up, or we wasted a franchise QB without maximizing the window. And don't even try and say we maximized the window if you watch the Bills. We're closer to falling back into the pack than we are to taking it over imho, and it's the 8th year of the program. 8 years, 7 with Allen coming up, really ?

My 2 cents.

[Goobylal]

Well we were still down by 3, but we were in a great spot to slay the dragon.

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We didn't fail after the 2 minute warning because of injuries

You realize there were 58 other minutes, right?

[Typ0]

It was second down in four down territory. Not getting a first down there wasn't the end of the game.

No it wasn't. They could not communicate it being 4 down territory even though it was. Same ole crock of **** if you ask me.

[sahlensguy]

No it wasn't. They could not communicate it being 4 down territory even though it was. Same ole crock of **** if you ask me.

I was responding to FL who made a statement that a throw to Diggs wouldn't have gotten a 1st down

[sahlensguy]

You realize there were 58 other minutes, right?

Of course I do. I don't know what is your point because despite of all the excuses of injuries, dropped balls, blunders etc, we were still in a great spot at the end. Great spot. We then curled up in a ball when it came to crunch time. After the time out, too. Yeesh

[Typ0]

I was responding to FL who made a statement that a throw to Diggs wouldn't have gotten a 1st down

Still not 4 down territory when no one knows it. Diggs doesn't get the 1st McDermott still kicks the field goal anyway. You know it's true LOL.

[sahlensguy]

Still not 4 down territory when no one knows it. Diggs doesn't get the 1st McDermott still kicks the field goal anyway. You know it's true LOL.

If Diggs doesn't get the 1st down it's then 3rd and short. I believe even McD has Josh run it twice to get the 1st.

[Forward_Lateral]

It was second down in four down territory. Not getting a first down there wasn't the end of the game.

It would've been 3rd down.

The Chiefs had timeouts, it's not like they wouldn't use one.

It's a moot point because the throw to Shakir was a TD if he gets into it properly.

Anyone saying the throw to Shakir was the wrong one is a complete and utter moron.

[sahlensguy]

It would've been 3rd down. Third down and fourth down to gain a yard or two if digs fell short of the first down.

The Chiefs had timeouts, it's not like they wouldn't use one.

It's a moot point because the throw to Shakir was a TD if he gets into it properly.

Anyone saying the throw to Shakir was the wrong one is a complete and utter moron.

It was second down and yes it would have been third down.

What do the Chiefs timeouts have to do with any of this?

A TD on the first play would have given the Chiefs the ball back with a minute 50 to go.

Don't be a blockhead.

[cas22]

For the majority of the season if we could get an uninspiring effort out of Josh to the tune of 34 of 46 for 333 yards and 2 TDs that would be an improvement over a majority of his games this season. Instead we get Josh putting up 26 of 39 for 186 yards and 1 TD against the Chiefs and that's somehow the standard for the best QB the Chiefs faced in the playoffs. Brock Purdy outperformed those numbers in the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson outperformed those numbers. Tua was on par with those numbers.

?This isn't saying Josh is or isn't better than those 3 guys overall, in fact he is better than all 3, but when it comes to the Chiefs he didn't outplay any of them.

If the bar to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs is that miserable performance we saw a few weeks ago, we're never beating that team in the playoffs.






what rushing TDs don't count?

[Bill Cody]

The part that's hard to take is this wasn't close to the best Chiefs team. Yes they had a good D. And yes that D largely carried them. But it's a lot like NE back in the early years of their dynasty. Brady did not beat himself and come crunch time he made plays. Mahomes is the same way. It's not that he's unbeatable or that he's perfect. But you have to beat him. We were really really close this year.

[Bill Cody]

For the majority of the season if we could get an uninspiring effort out of Josh to the tune of 34 of 46 for 333 yards and 2 TDs that would be an improvement over a majority of his games this season. Instead we get Josh putting up 26 of 39 for 186 yards and 1 TD against the Chiefs and that's somehow the standard for the best QB the Chiefs faced in the playoffs. Brock Purdy outperformed those numbers in the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson outperformed those numbers. Tua was on par with those numbers.

This isn't saying Josh is or isn't better than those 3 guys overall, in fact he is better than all 3, but when it comes to the Chiefs he didn't outplay any of them.

If the bar to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs is that miserable performance we saw a few weeks ago, we're never beating that team in the playoffs.

Lamar Jackson put up 10 points against the Chiefs. 10. Stats are for losers. Often the best play for a QB is a throwaway. Josh made EXCELLENT decisions all day against the Chiefs until the last 2:00. He could have run the 1947 Army ttriple option and threw for 10 yards and that would have been perfect if we won the game.

[Woodman]

I hate that when the Bills enter the post-season, they're always missing key players. Always.

It never fails.

[Woodman]

He could have run the 1947 Army triple option and threw for 10 yards and that would have been perfect if we won the game.

That works for all of us I believe.

All but 1 or 2 perhaps. :D

[Woodman]

The part that's hard to take is this wasn't close to the best Chiefs team.

They did it with much less a team ........ #38 and #95 were the stars ......... thought I was gonna say #15 and #87 didn't you?

[Woodman]

Don't be a blockhead.

20179

[cookie G]

1) Allen was clearly the best QB the chiefs faced on thier path to the championship; in fact as I pointed out before JA had about as close to a perfect game as you could ask from a QB in that division round loss. We need JA to be beyond perfect to beat KC because our defense was deadweight out there. Its been deadweight against the chiefs for years. Does anyone at all forget how we lost 13 seconds? that wasn't on JA. how about the loss in the AFC championship the year prior? Our whole WR corps was injured and the chiefs got home cooking from the refs, sure but the reality was our defence wasn't getting any stops against Mahomes in that game either. The problem isn't allen no matter how much you whinge about how he missed diggs underneath. seriously. 70 offensive plays and you all act like that was why we lost. It wasn't. Bass missed a makeable fg, and our defense couldn't stop the chiefs at all.

2) the Ravens and 49ers forced more punts then I've seen the bills force Mahomes into in the last 4 or 5 games combined we played the chiefs. If your takeaway from this year is anything other then it's that our defense isn't close to good enough . Like, not even in the league of a Superbowl winning squad/system. If JA had that type of support we'd of owned the chiefs for YEARS, and been the team rolling into the superbowl.

3) Mahomes wasn't close to perfect this superbowl. He made a number of mistakes that we get on JA's back for all the time around here. In fact he played about as uninspired a game as i've seen from him till maybe 2 minutes left in the game. Think about that. Imagine had JA played a 58minute **** fest at any point in time in the past 7 games. not only wouldn't we have won the game, but we get blown out. That superbowl was 100% on the chiefs defense for allowing Mahomes to sleep through the first 58 minutes of the game.

4) the 49ers for all their "great" coaches put up one hell of an awful gameplan for the offense. No effort to get CMC or Deebo the ball in space beyond that one TD on the throwback. Christ watching the 49ers waste Deebo and CMC like that all game had me sick to my stomach. Their coaching staff came up really short in the most important game of the season. This place would be going nuts if we got a performance like that from our offense. I mean look at how nuts this place is after JA missed diggs underneath on one play. **** off.

grow the **** up. it's football not a video game. The other team wants to win too. The reality is our defense isn't good enough. and I don't accept injuries as an excuse for that. Milano hasn't made it through a full season... ever, and it's been 4 years since we got a healthy season out of White. That's more then enough evidence you can't count on either to be available all season, yet our team is build around both of them. I could probably toss Hyde and Oliver on this pile of unreliably healthy defenders, in fact Oliver's breakout season probably would have happened in '22 had he not been hurt most ot the year, like usual.

At some point we have to acknowledge we have injury prone "stars" on the defense and move on. We also have to acknowledge that the defensive system we run probably isn't gonna beat mahomes. The Bengals proved they could beat the Chiefs when healthy. Gotta start asking questions about this at some point.

The injuries...

The Bills played their last game against the Chiefs without their 2 starting CBs, their 3rd cb running around limping and without their 2 best LBs.

To put that into perspective, take away Sneed and McDuffie from KC, let Justin Reid run around hobbling, and take away Nick Bolton and Willie Gay (who they DID lose for a bit in the late season)...

and tell me how good their D looks? Does Spags look like a genius?
Do they stop SF's weapons without those guys, especially the DB's?
Do they stop Balt?
Do they stop Buff?

If you take away Sneed and McDuffie alone from their D for any significant time...there is a really good chance that team doesn't make the playoffs, much less the SB. Because it was their D who carried the Chiefs this year. In all of their 6 losses, they failed to score more than 20 pts. They actually won 4 games this year while scoring fewer than 20 pts. Without that D, they don't sniff the playoffs.

And I dare say, if you take away Sneed and McDuffie for any amount of time, and take away their 2 starting LBs, their D looks more like the 2020 KC defense than te 2023 KC defense.

I fully understand that injuries are a part of the game, every team has injuries mantra...but there is a breaking point. And Id say taking away about half of your starters is pushing the limit.

Is the defensive scheme or personnel choice lead it to more injuries? idk. Maybe smaller LBs result in more run support from the DB's..and more tackling in run support leads to more injuries.

As far as Milano... idk... he missed a few games in 2020 with a hamstring and a pec injury. He didn't miss many, if any games in 2021 or 2022.

And then he had the devastating knee injury in 2023. But overall...Im not sure how much he deserves the injury prone tag.

Tre White... idk how you prevent an Achilles injury or see one coming. Damn, we just watched a guy get a really bad one jogging on the field during a commercial.

Is the defense not good enough? There isn't a defense in the NFL that's good enough when you take away half of their starters, especially when you get into playoff time.

Is it the players they pick, or the defense that is played, that causes the injuries they've been suffering? Maybe. Its a good question.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

The defensive Injuries seem to be an ongoing pattern here

last year was awful. This year was worse and then if you count Tre going down in 2021

the o hasn’t been untouched but way less hit by the injury but than the d

[Woodman]

The injuries...

To put that into perspective, take away Sneed and McDuffie from KC, let Justin Reid run around hobbling, and take away Nick Bolton and Willie Gay (who they DID lose for a bit in the late season)...



They go nowhere at all.

I've been saying #95 and #38 are the reason they got as far they did.

I would agree include #22 with #38 and they are ****ed as well.

[Mahdi]

The defense was good enough… even minus our starting 2 LBs against Kelce plus a couple other key depth guys who were injured and played or couldn’t play.

Josh still had the ball with a chance to end the game so the defense did do enough against Mahomes to give Josh that opportunity. Josh tried to hit the big ball. Should have been more methodical…

This defense returns all their key starters next year so they should have a top D. And more than good enough to win it.

[Forward_Lateral]

The defense was good enough… even minus our starting 2 LBs against Kelce plus a couple other key depth guys who were injured and played or couldn’t play.

Josh still had the ball with a chance to end the game so the defense did do enough against Mahomes to give Josh that opportunity. Josh tried to hit the big ball. Should have been more methodical…

This defense returns all their key starters next year so they should have a top D. And more than good enough to win it.

They are going to be losing about 1/3rd of their defense, if not more.

Starter that are returning for sure

Oliver, Rousseau, Milano, Benard, Douglas, Benford

I don't know if you can even count Von Miller because he barely played this season.

[notacon]

The injuries...

The Bills played their last game against the Chiefs without their 2 starting CBs, their 3rd cb running around limping and without their 2 best LBs.

To put that into perspective, take away Sneed and McDuffie from KC, let Justin Reid run around hobbling, and take away Nick Bolton and Willie Gay (who they DID lose for a bit in the late season)...

and tell me how good their D looks? Does Spags look like a genius?
Do they stop SF's weapons without those guys, especially the DB's?
Do they stop Balt?
Do they stop Buff?

If you take away Sneed and McDuffie alone from their D for any significant time...there is a really good chance that team doesn't make the playoffs, much less the SB. Because it was their D who carried the Chiefs this year. In all of their 6 losses, they failed to score more than 20 pts. They actually won 4 games this year while scoring fewer than 20 pts. Without that D, they don't sniff the playoffs.

And I dare say, if you take away Sneed and McDuffie for any amount of time, and take away their 2 starting LBs, their D looks more like the 2020 KC defense than te 2023 KC defense.

I fully understand that injuries are a part of the game, every team has injuries mantra...but there is a breaking point. And Id say taking away about half of your starters is pushing the limit.

Is the defensive scheme or personnel choice lead it to more injuries? idk. Maybe smaller LBs result in more run support from the DB's..and more tackling in run support leads to more injuries.

As far as Milano... idk... he missed a few games in 2020 with a hamstring and a pec injury. He didn't miss many, if any games in 2021 or 2022.

And then he had the devastating knee injury in 2023. But overall...Im not sure how much he deserves the injury prone tag.

Tre White... idk how you prevent an Achilles injury or see one coming. Damn, we just watched a guy get a really bad one jogging on the field during a commercial.

Is the defense not good enough? There isn't a defense in the NFL that's good enough when you take away half of their starters, especially when you get into playoff time.

Is it the players they pick, or the defense that is played, that causes the injuries they've been suffering? Maybe. Its a good question.


They are going to be losing about 1/3rd of their defense, if not more.

Starter that are returning for sure

Oliver, Rousseau, Milano, Benard, Douglas, Benford

I don't know if you can even count Von Miller because he barely played this season.

Well...in 2023, we already lost (as noted below) "25% of defensive starters missing two thirds of regular season games"

Injuries to the defense was HUGE in 2023. As I pointed out in another thread (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/265081-So-the-Bills-D-may-go-thru-a-bigger-change-than-we-all-think?p=5084159&viewfull=1#post5084159)...which does not include the devastating injures for the KC playoff game to Bernard and Benford and Davis (which despite his sometimes less than optimal output was an integral part of the offense)......



The Bills defense was factually decimated by injury in 2023.

Losing three of your best star defenders for extended number of games negates the roster building of a defense.

Tre' White missed 13 games. Matt Milano missed 12 and DaQuan Jones missed 10.

That's 25% of your starters missing TWO THIRDS of the games.

The Bills were tied for the fourth-most games lost by starters on defense with 46. That does not count Von Miller's four missed games, because the injury occurred in 2022.

Meanwhile, according to the Buffalo News (https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/bills-enjoyed-healthiest-offense-in-nfl-in-2023-defense-not-so-much/article_e40206ea-c6b7-11ee-90d2-f3926c28bb4b.html)....


"It should come as no surprise that once again, there was a strong correlation between health and success. The two teams that made the Super Bowl were among the healthiest in the league.

Kansas City was tied for the second-fewest games lost at 27. San Francisco had the fifth-lowest total at 30.

The Chiefs have had an amazing run of good health in recent years. They lost the fewest games in the NFL to injury in 2022, the third fewest in 2021 and the 10th fewest in 2020. They were tied for 13th in both 2019 and 2018."

All the planning and roster building goes out the window when so many injuries take place, especially to your biggest stars!!
And....


BTW....the "46 games lost" by starters was ONLY for defense. The offensive starters were much healthier, missing only six games. The O-line was one of only two NFL teams that had no games lost by O-line starters.

But, the official number of regular season games lost by starters for the Bills is FIFTY-TWO.

That's just under TWICE as much as KC's 27.


All the planning and roster building goes out the window when so many injuries take place, especially to your biggest stars!!

[Typ0]

And....




All the planning and roster building goes out the window when so many injuries take place, especially to your biggest stars!!

Or your planning and roster building is flawed and results in injuries.

[notacon]

Or your planning and roster building is flawed and results in injuries.


That makes zero sense.

Injuries happen.


Maybe it's a coincidence that the two teams with the least number of injuries, KC and SanFran, also have grass home fields. I doubt it.

[Mr. Pink]

It wasn't going to be a first down. This has been covered and discussed by many people who were both at the game, and who have access to the All-22. Diggs wasn't getting a for sure first down. Defenders were baring down on him, and he likely would've been a few yards short.

Please stop posting ridiculousness. WE get it, you hate Allen. He stinks. He's the reason they can't win a superbowl.

Give it a rest.

Even say it's not a first down...it gets us into third and short and keeps the clock moving.

And the reason this team won't win anything isn't because of Allen, it's because of McDermott.

[Turf]

The difference between Mahomes and Allen is not who's clutch, but Reid knows how to conjure up play calls to make that big play at the end of the game. We don't have that. We keep hiring tryouts for OC. We are wasting another year of a golden opportunity. Might we make it with Brady, yes. But if you had a genius like Reid calling plays the last big two minutes, or an experienced OC, things would be much different.

[sahlensguy]

The difference between Mahomes and Allen is not who's clutch, but Reid knows how to conjure up play calls to make that big play at the end of the game. We don't have that. We keep hiring tryouts for OC. We are wasting another year of a golden opportunity. Might we make it with Brady, yes. But if you had a genius like Reid calling plays the last big two minutes, or an experienced OC, things would be much different.

Unfortunately, nope.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Josh is pretty much set in his ways at this point of his career. It's not as simple of calling better plays (Shakir and Diggs were open).

[Goobylal]

The difference between Mahomes and Allen is not who's clutch, but Reid knows how to conjure up play calls to make that big play at the end of the game. We don't have that. We keep hiring tryouts for OC. We are wasting another year of a golden opportunity. Might we make it with Brady, yes. But if you had a genius like Reid calling plays the last big two minutes, or an experienced OC, things would be much different.

Yup. Reid is a better OC than anything the Bills have had in decades and no one would argue that point. After Belicheat lost Brady, he became the top HC in the NFL. And Steve Spagnuolo is a great DC who I would take over McD.

[DetoxTent]

1) Allen was clearly the best QB the chiefs faced on thier path to the championship; in fact as I pointed out before JA had about as close to a perfect game as you could ask from a QB in that division round loss. We need JA to be beyond perfect to beat KC because our defense was deadweight out there. Its been deadweight against the chiefs for years. Does anyone at all forget how we lost 13 seconds? that wasn't on JA. how about the loss in the AFC championship the year prior? Our whole WR corps was injured and the chiefs got home cooking from the refs, sure but the reality was our defence wasn't getting any stops against Mahomes in that game either. The problem isn't allen no matter how much you whinge about how he missed diggs underneath. seriously. 70 offensive plays and you all act like that was why we lost. It wasn't. Bass missed a makeable fg, and our defense couldn't stop the chiefs at all.

2) the Ravens and 49ers forced more punts then I've seen the bills force Mahomes into in the last 4 or 5 games combined we played the chiefs. If your takeaway from this year is anything other then it's that our defense isn't close to good enough . Like, not even in the league of a Superbowl winning squad/system. If JA had that type of support we'd of owned the chiefs for YEARS, and been the team rolling into the superbowl.

3) Mahomes wasn't close to perfect this superbowl. He made a number of mistakes that we get on JA's back for all the time around here. In fact he played about as uninspired a game as i've seen from him till maybe 2 minutes left in the game. Think about that. Imagine had JA played a 58minute **** fest at any point in time in the past 7 games. not only wouldn't we have won the game, but we get blown out. That superbowl was 100% on the chiefs defense for allowing Mahomes to sleep through the first 58 minutes of the game.

4) the 49ers for all their "great" coaches put up one hell of an awful gameplan for the offense. No effort to get CMC or Deebo the ball in space beyond that one TD on the throwback. Christ watching the 49ers waste Deebo and CMC like that all game had me sick to my stomach. Their coaching staff came up really short in the most important game of the season. This place would be going nuts if we got a performance like that from our offense. I mean look at how nuts this place is after JA missed diggs underneath on one play. **** off.

grow the **** up. it's football not a video game. The other team wants to win too. The reality is our defense isn't good enough. and I don't accept injuries as an excuse for that. Milano hasn't made it through a full season... ever, and it's been 4 years since we got a healthy season out of White. That's more then enough evidence you can't count on either to be available all season, yet our team is build around both of them. I could probably toss Hyde and Oliver on this pile of unreliably healthy defenders, in fact Oliver's breakout season probably would have happened in '22 had he not been hurt most ot the year, like usual.

At some point we have to acknowledge we have injury prone "stars" on the defense and move on. We also have to acknowledge that the defensive system we run probably isn't gonna beat mahomes. The Bengals proved they could beat the Chiefs when healthy. Gotta start asking questions about this at some point.

Don't know what this reactionary, angry post is all about. But Allen was clearly the best QB the Chiefs faced. Mahomes aside, who else is even in the same league with Allen? No one in my opinion. Maybe Joe Burrow when healthy, but he is proving to be brittle. But this is an obvious thing. So, again, I'm not sure who you were responding to there. I also had the same thought about needing to get Deebo Samuel the ball more. They tried and failed a couple of fancy things. But they didn't try enough, in my opinion. The fact of the matter was that Chiefs team was better than everyone else once again. That's a credit to their head coach. He was provided with a QB that could get him there, he built the rest around Mahomes. Credit to the Chiefs, as much as I don't want to do that. Makes me angry at McDermott for not being better.

Yes, as pointed out in #65, the Bills had players injuries. That's an excuse in large part. Yes the injuries were significant. But they happen to every team. The greedy NFL owners have made the season too long (because the owners are greedy) without adeptly increasing roster size (because they don't want to pay out the extra money). The greed has caught up with them as the players on the too limited rosters are getting hurt. They (the league & owners) are too slow to adapt to this.

[Woodman]

Regular season 15 games.

4 best records from each conference make playoffs period.

no wild card or divisional winner recognition just the best 4 from each.

one week bye for all that qualify for playoffs after the final regular season game.

during the season week 8 is the bye week for all teams.

start the damn season in August sometime mid month.

2 pre-season games max.

no HOF game.

[notacon]

The difference between Mahomes and Allen is not who's clutch, but Reid knows how to conjure up play calls to make that big play at the end of the game. We don't have that. We keep hiring tryouts for OC. We are wasting another year of a golden opportunity. Might we make it with Brady, yes. But if you had a genius like Reid calling plays the last big two minutes, or an experienced OC, things would be much different.


I don't buy that for one second.

The Bills did not have to " conjure up play calls to make that big play at the end of the game"...they HAD a GREAT PLAY CALLED on 2nd down with 2 min left. They had a great offensive game plan that worked extremely well for 58 MINUTES.

Josh made TWO HUGE mistakes....he did not take the WIDE OPEN DIGGS for a (almost) sure first down that would have put the team in perfect position to score a go-ahead TD AND run the clock down (Josh showed a lack of smart awareness of game situation) ....and once he decided NOT to take that easy outlet....he ****ed up the throw into the end zone.

It's not about "conjure up play calls to make that big play at the end of the game" it's about making good decisions and execution.

Kurt Warner (with Peter King) (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/fmia-conference-championships-brock-purdy-delivers-again-to-meet-mahomes-in-super-bowl) spelled it out perfectly....



Allen, on this drive [last drive of the game], had flipped and thrown and side-armed completions of 7, 4, 8, 10, 6 and 7 yards. And needing a first down here, he went gunslinger. I just don’t know why. Kurt Warner, one who would know, tried to explain it a few days after the game.

“Sometimes,” Warner said, “you talk yourself into a play and say, ‘I’m gonna make this play, and this is the throw that’ll send us to the championship game,’ instead of saying, ‘I’m gonna let the defense dictate where I throw the ball.’ As a quarterback, you have to have the ability to balance those things.”

I thought Warner put it best on Allen in this game, and Allen as a player. He said, “It’s impossible to play perfect games, and Josh played an incredible game—until the end. In the end, he took some chances that wouldn’t have been what I would have done. But he chose to make those throws, and if you choose those throws, you’ve got to make ‘em. That’s part of being great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes—they have careers of making the plays in the absolute crucial times of the game. Now they’re on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks.”

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Mahomes does that much better than Josh does (so far). Josh will learn to do that. HC has little to do with it.

The homerism type defense (and making lame excuses) of Josh Allen is really tiresome.

[DetoxTent]

Allen has proven to be very good, not great. Agreed. We're still waiting for him to show us that growth. It's time.

[cas22]

Unfortunately, nope.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Josh is pretty much set in his ways at this point of his career. It's not as simple of calling better plays (Shakir and Diggs were open).

yes they were and if all 11 men on the offense did there job Allen wouldn't have thrown a bad pass, I believe it was our best o-lineman that got beat by Jones and disrupted Allens throw.

[sahlensguy]

yes they were and if all 11 men on the offense did there job Allen wouldn't have thrown a bad pass, I believe it was our best o-lineman that got beat by Jones and disrupted Allens throw.
It was a bad throw (decision), completion or no completion. The right decision was to throw to Diggs.

[cas22]

It was a bad throw (decision), completion or no completion. The right decision was to throw to Diggs.
thats your opinion from in front of a tv screen, Allens view from the feild of play is different, .................i take it you never played football?

[sahlensguy]

thats your opinion from in front of a tv screen, Allens view from the feild of play is different, .................i take it you never played football?

I've thrown the ball around...

The view from the TV was a big picture. They were controlling the clock for a few minutes. Then the two minute warning on 2nd down. It was careless to go for the TD on the next play. Why? Trust that our D was going to make a play?

Josh's view on the field was myopic. TD now because I want it now. It was sophomoric.

[DetoxTent]

Who hasn't thrown the ball around here?


Josh's view on the field was myopic.

He is just still getting rookie jitters deep into his reads where he should, at 5 years+, he should be calmer, as Mahomes is. This is the difference between the two. Nothing rattles Mahomes when he's in his dropbacks. Not the case with Allen.